advice for roids

[tvmmvt]

lowk just found out i have severe hypoglycemia at 15
is pinning even worth it atp

 

[BR32]

No deal with your health problems before starting androgens.

Rule of thumb you want to be as healthy as you can before starting steroids

How are you so metabolically dysfunctional so young?

Did you take MK?

 

[tvmmvt]

No deal with your health problems before starting androgens.

Rule of thumb you want to be as healthy as you can before starting steroids

How are you so metabolically dysfunctional so young?

Did you take MK?

family history of blood sugar issues ig

 

[BR32]

family history of blood sugar issues ig

Go talk to your doctor and get it sorted.

Roids aren't off the table but you gotta be healthy first

 

[chot]

my fasting glucose is 110 doesnt stop me from roiding and using 20ius+ gh daily. whatever it takes nigga

 

[ccwb]

Go talk to your doctor and get it sorted.

Roids aren't off the table but you gotta be healthy first

Definitely not off table, BUT would make things way more complicated, especially if he develop long term

 

[BR32]

Definitely not off table, BUT would make things way more complicated, especially if he develop long term

oh yeah fasho

health management is the #1 priority while on roids

If I ever have any health complications I will be scaling back my doses dramatically.

Gotta stay healthy

 

[NoaA99]

my fasting glucose is 110 doesnt stop me from roiding and using 20ius+ gh daily. whatever it takes nigga

Larp or retard

 

[NoaA99]

oh yeah fasho

health management is the #1 priority while on roids

If I ever have any health complications I will be scaling back my doses dramatically.

Gotta stay healthy

Anyone, and I advise this for any compound, should start with the lowest practical dosages and taper their way up, or modify based on documentation and check-ups.
99% are too impatient for that though.

 

[NoaA99]

family history of blood sugar issues ig

You realise, that building muscles won’t be efficient, if you are insulin resistent?

 

[BR32]

Anyone, and I advise this for any compound, should start with the lowest practical dosages and taper their way up, or modify based on documentation and check-ups.
99% are too impatient for that though.

I agree with this 100%

If you're using roids you should be committed to using them for a while so whats the rush

Your progression with anabolics should be directly correlated with your bloodwork and training/diet progression.

 

[NoaA99]

I agree with this 100%

If you're using roids you should be committed to using them for a while so whats the rush

Your progression with anabolics should be directly correlated with your bloodwork and training/diet progression.

Exactly. People here also don’t realise that, in the long run, they gain far more net benefits by being able to take them consistently and for as long as possible without health complications, rather than starting with high dosages, short cycles, and stronger peaks.

 

[BR32]

Exactly. People here also don’t realise that, in the long run, they gain far more net benefits by being able to take them consistently and for as long as possible without health complications, rather than starting with high dosages, short cycles, and stronger peaks.

Yeah everyone is in a rush

Looksmaxxing is a marathon not a sprint

Sure 500 test and 500 tren will have you looking good fast but its not sustainable. Theres a reason you don't see people running 16 week growth cycles w tren.

The goal w anabolics should be to use the minimum effective dose to accrue the most tissue over time with the least amount of side effects.

All these guys who plan to PCT off the crazy cycles crack me up, they think they are gonna keep the tissue they built.

 

[chot]

Yeah everyone is in a rush

Looksmaxxing is a marathon not a sprint

Sure 500 test and 500 tren will have you looking good fast but its not sustainable. Theres a reason you don't see people running 16 week growth cycles w tren.

The goal w anabolics should be to use the minimum effective dose to accrue the most tissue over time with the least amount of side effects.

All these guys who plan to PCT off the crazy cycles crack me up, they think they are gonna keep the tissue they built.

I’m running 450 Tren a with 20ius hgh for 16 weeks. Tren is 16 weeks 20ius hgh is forever until my plates close.

Think yall are just pussies

 

[zakfatstack$]

I’m running 450 Tren a with 20ius hgh for 16 weeks. Tren is 16 weeks 20ius hgh is forever until my plates close.

Think yall are just pussies

age?

 

[chot]

age?

Just turned 18 bones are 15 xrayed

 

[robotlalka]

Just turned 18 bones are 15 xrayed

Won't tren close the growth plates earlier? Why take it if your bone age is 15?

 

[chot]

Won't tren close the growth plates earlier? Why take it if your bone age is 15?

No Tren doesn’t close plates that’s if you let your estrogen run high. If you use aromasin (as every teen should be) your plates will actually grow more from Tren since the estrogen is taken out of your plates and leaves just more androgen driven growth and igf in your bones. This is why ai is so important.

You’re speaking mechanistic nonsense. The only reason people think Tren closes plates early is because it raises estrogen and gh, but if you simply just take aromasin all of this is negated.

 

[birthdefect]

lowk just found out i have severe hypoglycemia at 15
is pinning even worth it atp

just use bro science, gh increases blood sugar and your one is low, thus you should be taking gh

No Tren doesn’t close plates that’s if you let your estrogen run high. If you use aromasin (as every teen should be) your plates will actually grow more from Tren since the estrogen is taken out of your plates and leaves just more androgen driven growth and igf in your bones. This is why ai is so important.

You’re speaking mechanistic nonsense. The only reason people think Tren closes plates early is because it raises estrogen and gh, but if you simply just take aromasin all of this is negated.

if tren wont close growth plates because of androgenic action why does anavar rape bone age if dosed too high? genuinely asking

 

[chot]

just use bro science, gh increases blood sugar and your one is low, thus you should be taking gh

if tren wont close growth plates because of androgenic action why does anavar rape bone age if dosed too high? genuinely asking

What the hell are you talking about anavar has been proven to raise height velocity and doesn’t close plates early, it’s already been studied.

 

[robotlalka]

No Tren doesn’t close plates that’s if you let your estrogen run high. If you use aromasin (as every teen should be) your plates will actually grow more from Tren since the estrogen is taken out of your plates and leaves just more androgen driven growth and igf in your bones. This is why ai is so important.

You’re speaking mechanistic nonsense. The only reason people think Tren closes plates early is because it raises estrogen and gh, but if you simply just take aromasin all of this is negated.

I've been searching for an answer to this question for a long time, I need help. Opinions on the org and in general are mixed. But in rat studies, trenbolone did indeed cause premature aging. What do you think about this?

 

[birthdefect]

What the hell are you talking about anavar has been proven to raise height velocity and doesn’t close plates early, it’s already been studied.

bhai it has to be dosed carefully to make sure height velocity increases more than bone age, it can very well rape the shit out of your bone age if you arent careful and dose too high

 

[chot]

I've been searching for an answer to this question for a long time, I need help. Opinions on the org and in general are mixed. But in rat studies, trenbolone did indeed cause premature aging. What do you think about this?

Are we rats? And did the rats take aromasin?

 

[chot]

bhai it has to be dosed carefully to make sure height velocity increases more than bone age, it can very well rape the shit out of your bone age if you arent careful and dose too high

Maybe if u crash ur test but again that’s just mechanistic garbage

 

[birthdefect]

Maybe if u crash ur test but again that’s just mechanistic garbage

bhai why would lowered test speed up bone aging
this isnt mechanistic garbage, this is a well known occurrence, its why var dosing is so low for idiopathic short stature (0.03-0.1mg/kg/day)

 

[robotlalka]

Are we rats? And did the rats take aromasin?

No but tren doesn't aromatize into estrogen

 

[chot]

bhai why would lowered test speed up bone aging
this isnt mechanistic garbage, this is a well known occurrence, its why var dosing is so low for idiopathic short stature (0.03-0.1mg/kg/day)

Low test lowers bone density and closes plates faster. Ofc the kids would speed up bone age and close plates if their test is 30ngs from blasting var, dumbass.

 

[chot]

No but tren doesn't aromatize into estrogen

Tren doesn’t directly aromatize but the androgens convert to estrogen and those hit your growth plates, that’s why aromasin is needed on Tren

 

[birthdefect]

Low test lowers bone density and closes plates faster. Ofc the kids would speed up bone age and close plates if their test is 30ngs from blasting var, dumbass.

bhai are we serious
gnrh agonists were used to pretty much castrate people with early high t because it closed plates faster, but now we use ais
if anything, test that low would delay bone age
and they arent blasting var, max dose ive seen recommended is 0.1mg/kg/day
literally
6mg of var of a 60kg person
fucking idiot

 

[Cilliann]

I’m running 450 Tren a with 20ius hgh for 16 weeks. Tren is 16 weeks 20ius hgh is forever until my plates close.

Think yall are just pussies

are you running a test base?

 

[robotlalka]

Tren doesn’t directly aromatize but the androgens convert to estrogen and those hit your growth plates, that’s why aromasin is needed on Tren

Okay bro i'll trust you

 

[chot]

are you running a test base?

Nahhhh bro

 

[chot]

bhai are we serious
gnrh agonists were used to pretty much castrate people with early high t because it closed plates faster, but now we use ais
if anything, test that low would delay bone age
and they arent blasting var, max dose ive seen recommended is 0.1mg/kg/day
literally
6mg of var of a 60kg person
fucking idiot

This is such a stupid conversation

What the fuck are you even talking about anymore.

 

[birthdefect]

This is such a stupid conversation

What the fuck are you even talking about anymore.

you dont know what you're talking about you stupid faggot
not a word of what i said was wrong, keep drinking my nectar faggot

 

[chot]

you dont know what you're talking about you stupid faggot
not a word of what i said was wrong, keep drinking my nectar faggot

You’re comparing mechanistic studies with unaccounted side effects to Tren, this is a waste of my time.

 

[birthdefect]

You’re comparing mechanistic studies with unaccounted side effects to Tren, this is a waste of my time.

mirin iq
i asked originally why tren wouldnt increase bone aging through its androgenic effects if anavar does it so much it can sometimes exceed the gain in height velocity, which is basically unchanged from aromatase inhibition btw, and then you said that low test speeds up bone age when it does the exact opposite

1 brain cell left tbh

 

[pedro218]

low test speeds up bone age

the problem isnt directly boneage, but is the e2 local on epiphyses caused by test

 

[birthdefect]

the problem isnt directly boneage, but is the e2 local on epiphyses caused by test

bhai low test doesnt speed up bone age, it slows it down
ais are better in mid to late puberty tho ofc
and this reasoning isnt even sound for something like anavar

 

[pedro218]

bhai low test doesnt speed up bone age, it slows it down
ais are better in mid to late puberty tho ofc
and this reasoning isnt even sound for something like anavar

yea low test is ideal, but AIs cant inhib 100% local e2; low T/high tren

 

[birthdefect]

yea low test is ideal, but AIs cant inhib 100% local e2; low T/high tren

yea i agree, but my point was that androgens can speed up bone maturation regardless of aromatisation
which is why anavar can rape your bone age if dosed too high
im sorry if im misunderstanding

 

[pedro218]

yea i agree, but my point was that androgens can speed up bone maturation regardless of aromatisation
which is why anavar can rape your bone age if dosed too high
im sorry if im misunderstanding

ofc androgens can speed up bone maturation, but this isnt necessarily bad, you can use this in your favor

 

[birthdefect]

ofc androgens can speed up bone maturation, but this isnt necessarily bad, you can use this in your favor

elaborate further please
how would you make sure you use it in your favour somehow instead of it just raping your bone age whether e2 is inhibited or not

 

[pedro218]

elaborate further please
how would you make sure you use it in your favour somehow instead of it just raping your bone age whether e2 is inhibited or not

androgens just speed up your final height, you can use this in your favor using high dose of hGH at the same time and adding a few inches there

 

[birthdefect]

androgens just speed up your final height, you can use this in your favor using high dose of hGH at the same time and adding a few inches there

well androgens dont just speed up your final height
improperly dosed anavar can increase bone age at a 2:1 ratio with chronological age
thats gonna stunt final height

 

[pedro218]

well androgens dont just speed up your final height
improperly dosed anavar can increase bone age at a 2:1 ratio with chronological age
thats gonna stunt final height

cope, only androgens aromatizables can speed up your epiphyses by local e2; there's no study saying otherwise

 

[pedro218]

well androgens dont just speed up your final height
improperly dosed anavar can increase bone age at a 2:1 ratio with chronological age
thats gonna stunt final height

but high androgens can activate chondrocyte senescence (which causes epiphyseal closure), but its mitigable by pth analogs or pthrp

 

[birthdefect]

cope, only androgens aromatizables can speed up your epiphyses by local e2; there's no study saying otherwise

if only androgens aromatising into e2 speeds up bone aging why would bone age still speed up on anavar if it doesnt even aromatise

https://academic.oup.com/ejendo/article-abstract/59/2/307/6894345

if it increased height velocity without proportionally increasing bone age, there would be a net gain on ultimate predicted stature

 

[birthdefect]

but high androgens can activate chondrocyte senescence (which causes epiphyseal closure), but its mitigable by pth analogs or pthrp

well most likely yea but now you're just agreeing with me and saying you need an ancillary to prevent it, which i agree with
also rep me please

 

[pedro218]

if only androgens aromatising into e2 speeds up bone aging why would bone age still speed up on anavar if it doesnt even aromatise

i never said that androgens would not speed up boneage, androgens alter the biological environment that controls the epiphysis, accelerating the processes that lead to its closure; androgens dont close directly the epiphysis

 

[pedro218]

if it increased height velocity without proportionally increasing bone age, there would be a net gain on ultimate predicted stature

androgens + hGH bruh