Affording surgery

[fr4nk0808]

How does the average person afford to hardmax? It's different getting 1 surgery that u can save up for but if u need more than 1 and live in a low paying country how do u manage it or do u just die a normie? Bc I've been getting urges to get money in imoral ways but not really worth the risk but at the same time living in misery isn't much better

 

[dnrwarrior11]

they afford to hardmaxx by making money? theres no other answer to tell u

 

[fr4nk0808]

they afford to hardmaxx by making money? theres no other answer to tell u

No shit retard

 

[dnrwarrior11]

No shit retard

nigga u just asked how r u gonna afford to hardmaxx. i dont think im the retard here

 

[fwhr glazer]

How does the average person afford to hardmax? It's different getting 1 surgery that u can save up for but if u need more than 1 and live in a low paying country how do u manage it or do u just die a normie? Bc I've been getting urges to get money in imoral ways but not really worth the risk but at the same time living in misery isn't much better

Sell your liver

 

[throwaway5028]

they afford to hardmaxx by making money? theres no other answer to tell u

Read the thread foid

 

[fr4nk0808]

nigga u just asked how r u gonna afford to hardmaxx. i dont think im the retard here

0/10 rage bait

 

[dnrwarrior11]

Read the thread foid

whos a foid

 

[fr4nk0808]

Sell your liver

Sometimes I consider things like this unironically

 

[RealSurgerymax]

The average person doesnt.

Most are either rich kids (Parents fund their bimax is common) or 3-8 years post college with no other major financial commitments (no wife, no kids, many move back in with their parents even after getting a lucrative job to save surgery money etc) or they own business like ecom or something (which 95% doesnt work for the average person.)

From my perspective it's so interesting, because if I wanted surgery at 20 (I didn't) it would have been a complete pipe dream at that time. Even if my parents COULD afford it they would never support it. But at the same time, there are A LOT of people who have that kind of money. Just 1-5% of people is still A LOT of people. That's who's getting surgery.

Imagine this was a forum about luxury cars. You'd have a lot of enthusiasts posting here who will never actually own one.

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Optimistic view:

Let me make that number look attainable and realistic.

Cost breakdown

• The average comprehensive hardmax plan costs anywhere from $20-100K. On the higher end if youre getting surgeries separately instead of combining (ex: Bimax, then implants, then rhinoplasty) and can go all the way up to 200K+ if youre getting Leg Lengthening.
• The average Bimax/Implants case at Giant (a higher-end service) is about $20-25K in Istanbul and around $30-35K in Italy (current ESTIMATE - if reading years later, be realistic about inflation.)
• Thats not too bad when you consider a bimax alone is $20-40K in Europe (more in USA) and then implants alone are another 20K. There is a pass-through cost of surgery. So combining surgeries is best if the team is experienced enough to do that, which most are NOT.

Cost comparison

• The average DOWNPAYMENT FOR A HOUSE is the same number range, and most people attain this in their mid to late 20s if they don't have a shit degree.
• The average NEW CAR is the same number range, and many people attain this even at young ages working as bartenders or some other higher paying service job. Although cars are usually financed, many people pay cash after a few years of saving.
• The average BACHELORS DEGREE costs the same.

These are 3 common big life expenses we all accept and somehow manage. And for many people, Bimax/Implants/Rhino will be a lot more valuable in their life than a car or a bachelors, or owning a house at a young age. The car and house can wait - looking better is more important when you're young & looking for your future wife/husband - a finite period of time.

When you look at it this way, its a no brainer, its the most value you'll ever get for $30-50K in your whole life
(if surgeries go relatively well... which is why you should have 25% emergency cushion saved)

 

[LEFORT17]

The average person doesnt.

Most are either rich kids (Parents fund their bimax is common) or 3-8 years post college with no other major financial commitments (no wife, no kids, many move back in with their parents even after getting a lucrative job to save surgery money etc) or they own business like ecom or something (which 95% doesnt work for the average person.)

From my perspective it's so interesting, because if I wanted surgery at 20 (I didn't) it would have been a complete pipe dream at that time. Even if my parents COULD afford it they wouldn't ever support it. But at the same time, there are A LOT of people who have that kind of money. Just 1-5% of people is still A LOT of people. That's who's getting surgery.

Imagine this was a forum about luxury cars. You'd have a lot of enthusiasts posting here who will never actually own one.

--------------------------------------------------------
Optimistic view:

Let me make that number look attainable and realistic.

Cost breakdown

• The average compressive hardmax plan costs anywhere from $20-100K. On the higher end if youre getting surgeries separately instead of combining (ex: Bimax, then implants, then rhinoplasty) and can go all the way up to 200K+ if youre getting Leg Lengthening.
• The average Bimax/Implants case at Giant (a detailed, top experienced and higher-end service) is about $20-25K in Istanbul and around $30-35K in Italy (current ESTIMATE - if reading years later, be realistic about inflation.)
• Thats not too bad when you consider a bimax alone is $20-40K in Europe (more in USA) and then implants alone are another 20K. There is a pass-through cost of surgery. So combining surgeries is best if the team is experienced enough to do that, which most are NOT.

Cost comparison

• The average DOWNPAYMENT FOR A HOUSE is the same number range, and most people attain this in their mid to late 20s if they don't have a shit degree.
• The average NEW CAR is the same number range, and many people attain this even at young ages working as bartenders or some other higher paying service job. Although cars are usually financed, many people pay cash after a few years of saving.
• The average BACHELORS DEGREE costs the same.

These are 3 common big life expenses we all accept and somehow manage. And for many people, Bimax/Implants/Rhino will be a lot more valuable in their life than a car or a bachelors, or owning a house at a young age. The car and house can wait - looking better is more important when you're young & looking for your future wife/husband - a finite period of time.

When you look at it this way, its a no brainer, its the most value you'll ever get for $30-50K in your whole life
(if surgeries go relatively well... which is why you should have 25% emergency cushion saved)

im currently in decompensation phase under a local surgeons plan, but im still looking around options in case the final planning isnt what im looking for. Are you only working with pag in rome or other surgeons and what would approx. be the cost of djs w genio and jaw angle implants

 

[RealSurgerymax]

im currently in decompensation phase under a local surgeons plan, but im still looking around options in case the final planning isnt what im looking for. Are you only working with pag in rome or other surgeons and what would approx. be the cost of djs w genio and jaw angle implants

DM.
I already disclosed costs above.

 

[adarsh arya]

The average person doesnt.

Most are either rich kids (Parents fund their bimax is common) or 3-8 years post college with no other major financial commitments (no wife, no kids, many move back in with their parents even after getting a lucrative job to save surgery money etc) or they own business like ecom or something (which 95% doesnt work for the average person.)

From my perspective it's so interesting, because if I wanted surgery at 20 (I didn't) it would have been a complete pipe dream at that time. Even if my parents COULD afford it they wouldn't ever support it. But at the same time, there are A LOT of people who have that kind of money. Just 1-5% of people is still A LOT of people. That's who's getting surgery.

Imagine this was a forum about luxury cars. You'd have a lot of enthusiasts posting here who will never actually own one.

--------------------------------------------------------
Optimistic view:

Let me make that number look attainable and realistic.

Cost breakdown

• The average compressive hardmax plan costs anywhere from $20-100K. On the higher end if youre getting surgeries separately instead of combining (ex: Bimax, then implants, then rhinoplasty) and can go all the way up to 200K+ if youre getting Leg Lengthening.
• The average Bimax/Implants case at Giant (a detailed, top experienced and higher-end service) is about $20-25K in Istanbul and around $30-35K in Italy (current ESTIMATE - if reading years later, be realistic about inflation.)
• Thats not too bad when you consider a bimax alone is $20-40K in Europe (more in USA) and then implants alone are another 20K. There is a pass-through cost of surgery. So combining surgeries is best if the team is experienced enough to do that, which most are NOT.

Cost comparison

• The average DOWNPAYMENT FOR A HOUSE is the same number range, and most people attain this in their mid to late 20s if they don't have a shit degree.
• The average NEW CAR is the same number range, and many people attain this even at young ages working as bartenders or some other higher paying service job. Although cars are usually financed, many people pay cash after a few years of saving.
• The average BACHELORS DEGREE costs the same.

These are 3 common big life expenses we all accept and somehow manage. And for many people, Bimax/Implants/Rhino will be a lot more valuable in their life than a car or a bachelors, or owning a house at a young age. The car and house can wait - looking better is more important when you're young & looking for your future wife/husband - a finite period of time.

When you look at it this way, its a no brainer, its the most value you'll ever get for $30-50K in your whole life
(if surgeries go relatively well... which is why you should have 25% emergency cushion saved)

can you disclose the price for infra+zygomatic implants (not cheek implants) I got rn a budget of like 10k dollars can you tell me how much more i gotta save i am 17 rn and planning to get surgeries till 18/19

 

[Foreverbrad]

The average person doesnt.

Most are either rich kids (Parents fund their bimax is common) or 3-8 years post college with no other major financial commitments (no wife, no kids, many move back in with their parents even after getting a lucrative job to save surgery money etc) or they own business like ecom or something (which 95% doesnt work for the average person.)

From my perspective it's so interesting, because if I wanted surgery at 20 (I didn't) it would have been a complete pipe dream at that time. Even if my parents COULD afford it they wouldn't ever support it. But at the same time, there are A LOT of people who have that kind of money. Just 1-5% of people is still A LOT of people. That's who's getting surgery.

Imagine this was a forum about luxury cars. You'd have a lot of enthusiasts posting here who will never actually own one.

--------------------------------------------------------
Optimistic view:

Let me make that number look attainable and realistic.

Cost breakdown

• The average compressive hardmax plan costs anywhere from $20-100K. On the higher end if youre getting surgeries separately instead of combining (ex: Bimax, then implants, then rhinoplasty) and can go all the way up to 200K+ if youre getting Leg Lengthening.
• The average Bimax/Implants case at Giant (a detailed, top experienced and higher-end service) is about $20-25K in Istanbul and around $30-35K in Italy (current ESTIMATE - if reading years later, be realistic about inflation.)
• Thats not too bad when you consider a bimax alone is $20-40K in Europe (more in USA) and then implants alone are another 20K. There is a pass-through cost of surgery. So combining surgeries is best if the team is experienced enough to do that, which most are NOT.

Cost comparison

• The average DOWNPAYMENT FOR A HOUSE is the same number range, and most people attain this in their mid to late 20s if they don't have a shit degree.
• The average NEW CAR is the same number range, and many people attain this even at young ages working as bartenders or some other higher paying service job. Although cars are usually financed, many people pay cash after a few years of saving.
• The average BACHELORS DEGREE costs the same.

These are 3 common big life expenses we all accept and somehow manage. And for many people, Bimax/Implants/Rhino will be a lot more valuable in their life than a car or a bachelors, or owning a house at a young age. The car and house can wait - looking better is more important when you're young & looking for your future wife/husband - a finite period of time.

When you look at it this way, its a no brainer, its the most value you'll ever get for $30-50K in your whole life
(if surgeries go relatively well... which is why you should have 25% emergency cushion saved)

Nice breakdown and well argued for the investment of surgery. What seems to be the percentage split between the rich kids category and the post-college category? Have you noticed any changes trending in it over the last few years?

Do you have a guess at where or when surgery prices will stabilise long-term (increasing only with inflation rather than 10-20% a year in the past few years)?

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

do whatever it takes bruder

 

[savemebimax]

I'm such a retard for not getting it a few years ago, Ramieris prices were like 10k lower and only keep going up. Everyone needs to hardmaxx asap

 

[Evgeniy291]

Only fans management

 

[Acquiescence]

- Live with parents rent free
- Wageslave full time and earn an average western salary
- Prioritize saving for surgery above all else
- Indulge in some cheap copes and NTmaxxing side arcs with family and irl brocels here and there to preserve sanity
- Rinse and repeat for years until you have enough to pull the trigger on surgery

Is how I’m doing it

At the end of the day you either find a way to come up with the money and surgery goes well or you die ugly. Brutal mog or get mogged world out there

 

[RealSurgerymax]

can you disclose the price for infra+zygomatic implants (not cheek implants) I got rn a budget of like 10k dollars can you tell me how much more i gotta save i am 17 rn and planning to get surgeries till 18/19

You need to be 18 for me to even talk you about that, or have your parents present in a consult.

Nice breakdown and well argued for the investment of surgery. What seems to be the percentage split between the rich kids category and the post-college category? Have you noticed any changes trending in it over the last few years?

Do you have a guess at where or when surgery prices will stabilise long-term (increasing only with inflation rather than 10-20% a year in the past few years)?

I dont ask or always know, but for aesthetic non-syndrome patients I think its about
25% 18-22ish
70% 22ish-38ish
5% 38+

I think 75% of the youngest group have parental support but some are just rich zoomers/egrifters I assume. Not rly my business I guess.

I will add that financing and loans do NOT seem common.

It's not so easy to get access to a 20K+ Personal Loan in your 20s and the repayment terms are usually not attractive.
If you are 18/19/20 you have NO collateral to insure the loan against, a parent with good credit and assets would have to cosign. I always see 16-18 year olds mentally masturbating about how they're gonna get a loan. Lol no you're not. Loans are taken out against some asset of equal or higher value, not on non existent credit of a 19 year old.

 

[underatedgreycel]

There’s millions of ways people make money bro what

 

[BoredPrince]

Rich kids or people who are single but earn relatively good income and thus save over the years


Which reminds me of the story from one member on here, he was at the party and said to an unattractive girl she isn't pretty enough to talk to them

She answered without hesitation what surgery he suggests, that her parents would pay for it

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Nice breakdown and well argued for the investment of surgery. What seems to be the percentage split between the rich kids category and the post-college category? Have you noticed any changes trending in it over the last few years?

Do you have a guess at where or when surgery prices will stabilise long-term (increasing only with inflation rather than 10-20% a year in the past few years)?

Prices will never stabilize for the pioneers or early adopters who have become branded as big names. Prices in general will stabilize when average surgeons start doing these surgeries and can produce results 80% as good as the big names. New surgeons, who still have to make the same mistakes the big dogs made 5-10 years ago, will charge less. Obviously. Thats always how it worked.

Nothing new. Sailer was 80-100K+

New surgeons still won't be "cheap." They have other surgeries they could do for the same money and less headache. There's an opportunity cost of doing technically challenging surgery on difficult personalities who will come back and just point out every small problem. Sorry but looksmax patients are not that desirable to most surgeons who want a peaceful private practice. Oral/Maxillofacial surgeons can make $20K in a day doing full arch dental implants for less stress and bigger market of old ppl with money and very high long term satisfaction rate. Plastic surgeons can make even more doing deep plane face/neck lift, also less stress and bigger market of rich people (older ppl)

Top facelift surgeons are 100K+ for most packages (Jacaono, Nayak) or you can go to someone less experienced for $25K.

The price sounds outrageous to 90% of people but as I said previously, 1-5% of people really do have that kind of money. Thats still about 5 million people who an extra $50K isn't a big deal to them, in the US alone. And it's not like rich people are only in America or Europe. Even in turkey or thailand you will see no shortage of G Wagons on the road. So to them, an extra $50K to reduce risks 5-10% and increase results 15-20% is well worth it. Most cant afford that but more than enough people still can.

Don't think location like being in Italy or Turkey will have much impact. There's turkish surgeons charging $25K for rhino because they are more detailed and the chances of getting a better result are higher.

And yes, they all still have bad reviews and vocal unhappy patients which dont effect anything.

So... top 1% surgeons will get matched with top 1% patients.

But a lot of random no names will emerge trying to position themselves as top surgeons. Every surgeon is "renowned" these days, according to their bio, even though no one knows them for anything special. For example some nobody surgeon moving to Beverly Hills charging $50K for the same off-the-shelf silicone chin implant you would get at a random surgeon in Virginia for $8K.

 

[Xx_gloomy_bison_xX]

The average person doesnt.

Most are either rich kids (Parents fund their bimax is common) or 3-8 years post college with no other major financial commitments (no wife, no kids, many move back in with their parents even after getting a lucrative job to save surgery money etc) or they own business like ecom or something (which 95% doesnt work for the average person.)

From my perspective it's so interesting, because if I wanted surgery at 20 (I didn't) it would have been a complete pipe dream at that time. Even if my parents COULD afford it they would never support it. But at the same time, there are A LOT of people who have that kind of money. Just 1-5% of people is still A LOT of people. That's who's getting surgery.

Imagine this was a forum about luxury cars. You'd have a lot of enthusiasts posting here who will never actually own one.

--------------------------------------------------------
Optimistic view:

Let me make that number look attainable and realistic.

Cost breakdown

• The average comprehensive hardmax plan costs anywhere from $20-100K. On the higher end if youre getting surgeries separately instead of combining (ex: Bimax, then implants, then rhinoplasty) and can go all the way up to 200K+ if youre getting Leg Lengthening.
• The average Bimax/Implants case at Giant (a detailed, top experienced and higher-end service) is about $20-25K in Istanbul and around $30-35K in Italy (current ESTIMATE - if reading years later, be realistic about inflation.)
• Thats not too bad when you consider a bimax alone is $20-40K in Europe (more in USA) and then implants alone are another 20K. There is a pass-through cost of surgery. So combining surgeries is best if the team is experienced enough to do that, which most are NOT.

Cost comparison

• The average DOWNPAYMENT FOR A HOUSE is the same number range, and most people attain this in their mid to late 20s if they don't have a shit degree.
• The average NEW CAR is the same number range, and many people attain this even at young ages working as bartenders or some other higher paying service job. Although cars are usually financed, many people pay cash after a few years of saving.
• The average BACHELORS DEGREE costs the same.

These are 3 common big life expenses we all accept and somehow manage. And for many people, Bimax/Implants/Rhino will be a lot more valuable in their life than a car or a bachelors, or owning a house at a young age. The car and house can wait - looking better is more important when you're young & looking for your future wife/husband - a finite period of time.

When you look at it this way, its a no brainer, its the most value you'll ever get for $30-50K in your whole life
(if surgeries go relatively well... which is why you should have 25% emergency cushion saved)

This is actually very accurate and most people dont really see the value of looks but honestly being very attractive is a different plane of existance that average person can't really comprehend!

With that being said, knowing that you keep contact with many of your patients, do they tell you how their life changed? Have you heard from them or witnessed them getting more attention from people, dating apps, jobs etc.?