Africans conquered Europe first

[TsarTsar444]

Nah i am quite realistic too tbh but black people having a lower intellectual abilities is a fact and kinda water

You do seem unbiased mostly, but im talking about historical debates, all of the "historically knowledgeable" users here were shit at history except me

 

[Deleted member 15338]

You do seem unbiased mostly, but im talking about historical debates, all of the "historically knowledgeable" users here were shit at history except me

Tbh history is all about white people abusing other ethnics literally, not difficult.

 

[Deleted member 5802]

1. Just because a handfull of soldiers existed doesn't mean anything, what kind of 70iq logic is this? You realize now why i called you retarded and unable to debate? If this was the case then even alcohol can't kill all bacteria because 0.01% survive, you cling to some obscure small percentage. Majority of the Spanish Muslim Lands were populated by NATIVE spanish muslim people, they were the majority soldiers, the rest would be berbers, then arabs and then some few thousands at best blacks.

2. Yes they did, what has this to do with blacks? Berbers and Turks both genetically the closest groups to Europeans outside of the traditional boundaries of Europe. And again 2-3 thousand obscure black soldiers don't mean a flying shit cause they would have been more european muslim soldiers if anything, and by this retarded logic then, the Morrocan Dynasty that burned down the Mali lands in the 17th century was the first white major enslavement of africans because they had thousands of white european muslims in their ranks , nice logic overall you nimwit

Your really stupid because it took me no time at all to research the genetic imprint in Spain

You are correct that the majority of moors were Berbers but black African moors still left a major impact in Europe and this can be seen in multiple statues and dances

A New Holiday Tradition for the Dutch: Arguing About Blackface (Published 2014)

A celebration of St. Nicholas in the Netherlands now includes an annual fight over the traditional depiction of his dark-skinned helper, Black Pete.

www.nytimes.com

Monument of the Four Moors - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These statues clearly show how diverse the moors were and how they did contribute heavily to Europe so no they not obscure solders

Blackamoor (decorative arts) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2. Yes Berbers and Turks do cluster with Europeans but they are still very genetically distinct. Berbers are more related to black African horners in Ethiopia and Somalia than they are to Germans

 

[BigBiceps]

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Mansa Musa (about 1280 – about 1337) was an emperor (manse) of the Mali Empire during the 14th century. He became emperor in 1312. He was the first African ruler to be famous in all of Europe and the Middle East. Historians say he was the richest person to have ever lived
@Blackeycel

Everyone with any knowledge of history knows of Mansa Musa, although his wealth was purely based on gold, and him owning about all of it.
Even as a example from modern rulers, I'm sure Putin has more wealth. Dude owns a billion dollars palace, and his private wealth is estimated to be in hundreds of billions.

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Nah i am quite realistic too tbh but black people having a lower intellectual abilities is a fact and kinda water

It’s been proven many times that you can’t measure intelligence I don’t understand why people keep saying the same already debunked misconceptions. Sat scores do not score for intelligence but rather memorization. This doesn’t explain why African immigrants score high in SAT than whites. Asians and African parents equally take education more seriously than white American and black Americans

 

[turkproducer]

you’re all stupid bastards feeling pride for empires that would have spat on your dead body

or killed you when you fled away from battle

 

[DesperadoRatado]

you’re all stupid bastards feeling pride for empires that would have spat on your dead body

or killed you when you fled away from battle

then dont flee

 

[Deleted member 15338]

you’re all stupid bastards feeling pride for empires that would have spat on your dead body

or killed you when you fled away from battle

Everyone knows that tho why do u say this in every thread

 

[Deleted member 15338]

It’s been proven many times that you can’t measure intelligence I don’t understand why people keep saying the same already debunked misconceptions. Sat scores do not score for intelligence but rather memorization. This doesn’t explain why African immigrants score high in SAT than whites. Asians and African parents equally take education more seriously than white American and black Americans

Yada yada yada

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Everyone with any knowledge of history knows of Mansa Musa, although his wealth was purely based on gold, and him owning about all of it.
Even as a example from modern rulers, I'm sure Putin has more wealth. Dude owns a billion dollars palace, and his private wealth is estimated to be in hundreds of billions.

We truly don’t know his how much he owned we only have estimates. Sant Augustine had his gold fully Calculated. Augustine never spent so much money that he put an entire nation into a Financial recession

 

[turkproducer]

then dont flee

lol cunts here act high t but they tremble and start shaking if they have to look a cashier in the eyes when ordering their triple cheeseburger from mcdonalds

if you didn’t run or you weren’t a soldier you would have been a low status farmer or a serf

 

[turkproducer]

Everyone knows that tho why do u say this in every thread

and yet people carry on glorifying empires that would have never gave a fuck about them

it is embarrassing

 

[Deleted member 5802]

you’re all stupid bastards feeling pride for empires that would have spat on your dead body

or killed you when you fled away from battle

lol it’s to mostly piss off the sfcels

 

[turkproducer]

lol it’s to mostly piss off the sfcels

fight white supremacy with black supremacy theory

seems legit

 

[Deleted member 15338]

and yet people carry on glorifying empires that would have never gave a fuck about them

it is embarrassing

Tbh empires like German or British Empire were ethno-centered so. But yeah glorifying Romans etc. is stupid.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Your really stupid because it took me no time at all to research the genetic imprint in Spain

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You are correct that the majority of moors were Berbers but black African moors still left a major impact in Europe and this can be seen in multiple statues and dances

A New Holiday Tradition for the Dutch: Arguing About Blackface (Published 2014)

A celebration of St. Nicholas in the Netherlands now includes an annual fight over the traditional depiction of his dark-skinned helper, Black Pete.

www.nytimes.com

Monument of the Four Moors - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These statues clearly show how diverse the moors were and how they did contribute heavily to Europe so no they not obscure solders
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Blackamoor (decorative arts) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2. Yes Berbers and Turks do cluster with Europeans but they are still very genetically distinct. Berbers are more related to black African horners in Ethiopia and Somalia than they are to Germans

1. Fuck, you do realize whats orientalism right? Those depictions are nowhere near accurate cause they were made hundreds of years later and they portrayed the "other" as different and "beastly" as possible to make them seem evil. Even if you look at paintings the Spaniards depicted themselves as way to blonde then they are in reality, because blonde and white is good, and black is evil, that was their logic.
Holy shit i have never had such a low iq debate, using artistic statues to represent significance jfl

2. Muuuh very genetically different, im E-V13 too, that means im non white? Alot of South Europe is J and E-V13 doesn't mean anything, you don't know how genetics work, this was originally a east african group but after mutations the people became whiter and whiter

 

[turkproducer]

Tbh empires like German or Britisg empire were ethno centered so. But yeah glorifying Romans etc. is stupid.

brits hung, drawn and quartered their own people

and germans loved the guillotine

just steal a horse theory and get your body chopped into 4 pieces

 

[Deleted member 15338]

1. Fuck, you do realize whats orientalism right? Those depictions are nowhere near accurate cause they were made hundreds of years later and they portrayed the "other" as different and "beastly" as possible to make them seem evil. Even if you look at paintings the Spaniards depicted themselves as way to blonde then they are in reality, because blonde and white is good, and black is evil, that was their logic.
Holy shit i have never had such a low iq debate, using artistic statues to represent significance jfl

2. Muuuh very genetically different, im E-V13 too, that means im non white? Alot of South Europe is J and E-V13 doesn't mean anything, you don't know how genetics work, this was originally a east african group but after mutations the people became whiter and whiter

At the end of this day you will learn a new life lesson:
Dont waste your time with niggas

 

[TsarTsar444]

At the end of this day you will learn a new life lesson:
Dont waste your time with niggas

Fuck i want it to be false, but it looks like its more and more true , i don't want to be racist but this is reaching the limit. He could just say yeah you are right or why is he even debating such retarded stuff in the first place tbh jfl

 

[Deleted member 5802]

1. Fuck, you do realize whats orientalism right? Those depictions are nowhere near accurate cause they were made hundreds of years later and they portrayed the "other" as different and "beastly" as possible to make them seem evil. Even if you look at paintings the Spaniards depicted themselves as way to blonde then they are in reality, because blonde and white is good, and black is evil, that was their logic.
Holy shit i have never had such a low iq debate, using artistic statues to represent significance jfl

2. Muuuh very genetically different, im E-V13 too, that means im non white? Alot of South Europe is J and E-V13 doesn't mean anything, you don't know how genetics work, this was originally a east african group but after mutations the people became whiter and whiter

1. That’s a very weak argument because objectively this statue proves that the moors in general were very diverse

Monument of the Four Moors - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The term blacksmoor is a term only for moors who were black. Plus Southern Europeans have sub Saharan dna that predates the slave trade proves that black moors made just as much as an impact as Berber moors the term moor itself means dark lol your arguments are getting weaker and weaker

2. You can literally find pairings in the 11th-12th century showcasing black moors the monuments and paintings are based off what the Spainish saw god you seriously can’t be this low iq

Here you can see the diversity in the moors you can equally see lightskin Berbers and dark skinned black Africans

 

[TsarTsar444]

1. That’s a very weak argument because objectively this statue proves that the moors in general were very diverse

Monument of the Four Moors - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The term blacksmoor is a term only for moors who were black. Plus Southern Europeans have sub Saharan dna that predates the slave trade proves that black moors made just as much as an impact as Berber moors the term moor itself means dark lol your arguments are getting weaker and weaker

2. You can literally find pairings in the 11th-12th century showcasing black moors the monuments and paintings are based off what the Spainish saw god you seriously can’t be this low iq
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Here you can see the diversity in the moors you can equally see lightskin Berbers and dark skinned black Africans

Artistic representation =/ reality once again, can't debate someone who is this retarded, imagine calling me low iq when you are the retard here

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Fuck i want it to be false, but it looks like its more and more true , i don't want to be racist but this is reaching the limit. He could just say yeah you are right or why is he even debating such retarded stuff in the first place tbh jfl

lol i used genetic evidence statues art lol this sub is so iq it’s not even funny

Here’s quotes from Arab scholars


“The 16th century English playwright William Shakespeare used the word Moor as a synonym for African. His contemporary Christopher Marlowe also used African and Moor interchangeably.

Arab writers further buttress the black identity of the Moors. The powerful Moorish Emperor Yusuf ben-Tachfin is described by an Arab chronicler as “a brown man with wooly hair.””

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Artistic representation =/ reality once again, can't debate someone who is this retarded, imagine calling me low iq when you are the retard here

Dude you are the dumbest person I have ever talked to these paintings were made in the 11th-12th century. Multiple writings and documents by the Spaniards described SOME moors to be black and dark skinned. Plus with the additional paintings through the 12th-18th century, genetic evidence the evidence overwhelmingly supports the existence of black moors being very significant

 

[turkproducer]

lol i used genetic evidence statues art lol this sub is so iq it’s not even funny

Here’s quotes from Arab scholars


“The 16th century English playwright William Shakespeare used the word Moor as a synonym for African. His contemporary Christopher Marlowe also used African and Moor interchangeably.

Arab writers further buttress the black identity of the Moors. The powerful Moorish Emperor Yusuf ben-Tachfin is described by an Arab chronicler as “a brown man with wooly hair.””

most moors were not black. they were berber

i don’t know why you try to claim others history bro, you’re sounding like the people who claim egyptians were black…

 

[TsarTsar444]

lol i used genetic evidence statues art lol this sub is so iq it’s not even funny

Here’s quotes from Arab scholars


“The 16th century English playwright William Shakespeare used the word Moor as a synonym for African. His contemporary Christopher Marlowe also used African and Moor interchangeably.

Arab writers further buttress the black identity of the Moors. The powerful Moorish Emperor Yusuf ben-Tachfin is described by an Arab chronicler as “a brown man with wooly hair.””

You didn't show any proof just a screenshot about "small percentage" which could mean 1-2%, insignificant

Again art is a terrible evidence especially biased European art

All in all the blacks you talk about only came during the Almoravid rule in the 11th century, where only half the peninsula was controlled, insignificant really.

And in the 16th century white muslims conquered all of North Africa under the Ottoman Caliphate

 

[TsarTsar444]

Dude you are the dumbest person I have ever talked to these paintings were made in the 11th-12th century. Multiple writings and documents by the Spaniards described SOME moors to be black and dark skinned. Plus with the additional paintings through the 12th-18th century, genetic evidence the evidence overwhelmingly supports the existence of black moors being very significant

Retard, doesn't matter when they were made, you are low iq and retarded, every historian disagrees with you, whats the point of debating your fringe view? SOME yeah you admited finally that 10% at most were black which is a small minority, insignificant

 

[Deleted member 5802]

most moors were not black. they were berber

i don’t know why you try to claim others history bro, you’re sounding like the people who claim egyptians were black…

Ok bro tell me when did I say most of the moors were black I said SOME were black. The moors were a diverse group so no not all of them were black not all of them were Berber and not all of them were Arabs. The majority of the known Berbers were Berber we still don’t quite know the extent of black African Berbers. Black African moors did leave a genetic imprint in Spanish people. Lol being accused of stealing history even though I back up all of my claims with evidence and credible sources

 

[Deleted member 5802]

You didn't show any proof just a screenshot about "small percentage" which could mean 1-2%, insignificant

Again art is a terrible evidence especially biased European art

All in all the blacks you talk about only came during the Almoravid rule in the 11th century, where only half the peninsula was controlled, insignificant really.

And in the 16th century white muslims conquered all of North Africa under the Ottoman Caliphate

This very perfectly describes who the moors were and it’s not filled with bias

 

[WontStopNorwooding]

most moors were not black. they were berber

i don’t know why you try to claim others history bro, you’re sounding like the people who claim egyptians were black…

Egyptians were romanians...

 

[TsarTsar444]

This very perfectly describes who the moors were and it’s not filled with bias

>links afrocentrist youtube channel

Minority were black, stop claiming other nations accomplishments you whore and thief, onlg blacks do it cause you know that you were fucked by everyone so you need to claim other people's culture like with the Berbers

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Retard, doesn't matter when they were made, you are low iq and retarded, every historian disagrees with you, whats the point of debating your fringe view? SOME yeah you admited finally that 10% at most were black which is a small minority, insignificant

We don’t know the true number of black moors. Most credible historians will agree with me here. Though we do know that it was mostly Berber over 4,000 black Africans from Senegal plus some more in Morocco and other Muslim saheal nations joined in. Black moors would be more common in certain towns and areas in Spain with Berbers and Arabs would be more common in others

 

[Deleted member 5802]

>links afrocentrist youtube channel

Minority were black, stop claiming other nations accomplishments you whore and thief, onlg blacks do it cause you know that you were fucked by everyone so you need to claim other people's culture like with the Berbers

How the hell is it an Afrocentric video lol you didn’t even sit down and watch it. If you did he never stated that the moors were all black. He said some were black some were Berbers and some were Arabs dude you are so dense

Berbers and blacks were not this disconnected entity. You can find Berbers in west Africa and vise versa.

 

[TsarTsar444]

We don’t know the true number of black moors. Most credible historians will agree with me here. Though we do know that it was mostly Berber over 4,000 black Africans from Senegal plus some more in Morocco and other Muslim saheal nations joined in. Black moors would be more common in certain towns and areas in Spain with Berbers and Arabs would be more common in others

Still a minority, lmao we don't know, what a shit logic, best case scenario is they were 5% even if that, North Africa is more then 90% non black, makes zero sense for there to be any significant number of blacks in Spain

 

[TsarTsar444]

How the hell is it an Afrocentric video lol you didn’t even sit down and watch it. If you did he never stated that the moors were all black. He said some were black some were Berbers and some were Arabs dude you are so dense

Yeah thats true, but he is still misrepresenting it, making it seem all plural, when in reality, majority were White Spaniard Morisco muslims

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Still a minority, lmao we don't know, what a shit logic, best case scenario is they were 5% even if that, North Africa is more then 90% non black, makes zero sense for there to be any significant number of blacks in Spain

Not really northern Africans are not a monolithic there’s plenty of black Berber tribes in North Africa

Masmuda - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Haha (tribe) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[TsarTsar444]

Not really northern Africans are not a monolithic there’s plenty of black Berber tribes in North Africa

Masmuda - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Haha (tribe) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

No they aren't "plenty" lmao, not even 5%, stop coping

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Yeah thats true, but he is still misrepresenting it, making it seem all plural, when in reality, majority were White Spaniard Morisco muslims

Moroccans were not white they are mediterranean in phenotype they would had been seen as dark skinned to the pale Spaniards. Moor directly translate to moor

 

[Deleted member 5802]

No they aren't "plenty" lmao, not even 5%, stop coping

I’m not coping Northern Africa is extremely diverse northern Africans can tell you this. Hell my dad is from Sudan which is considered a northern African country and he’s black

do these people look like white Spainish people to you?

 

[WontStopNorwooding]

Not really northern Africans are not a monolithic there’s plenty of black Berber tribes in North Africa

Masmuda - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Haha (tribe) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Haha
Bruh epic fail tribe name

 

[buckchadley31]

I’m not coping Northern Africa is extremely diverse northern Africans can tell you this. Hell my dad is from Sudan which is considered a northern African country and he’s black

do these people look like white Spainish people to you?

Blacks here are a minority. In the south tho people look a lot darker, some even look completely west african but they're still a minority compared to the whole population.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

No they aren't "plenty" lmao, not even 5%, stop coping

There are black african moroccans especially from the south, probably coming from Mauritania which is at the end of the day part of Al Maghreb, our imam was a black Mauritanian. Not that much tho, i don't know a percentage but definetly not much black morrocans that i know, but they definetly exist. There is also a decent number of black Lybians especially in the south, i don't know about Algeria and Egypt.

Anyways, both of you forget differences and join under the banner of Islam instead of the banner of deviancy.

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Blacks here are a minority. In the south tho people look a lot darker, some even look completely west african but they're still a minority compared to the whole population.

Yeah you find blacks mostly in the south of Morocco and south of Algeria. Sudan is also North Africa and we are considered black. But yeah your right most people in North Africa are Berbers

 

[Deleted member 5802]

There are black african moroccans especially from the south, probably coming from Mauritania which is at the end of the day part of Al Maghreb, our imam was a black Mauritanian. Not that much tho, i don't know a percentage but definetly not much black morrocans that i know, but they definetly exist. There is also a decent number of black Lybians especially in the south, i don't know about Algeria and Egypt.

Anyways, both of you forget differences and join under the banner of Islam instead of the banner of deviancy.

In south Egypt it’s mostly black/Nubian who lives there

 

[buckchadley31]

Yeah you find blacks mostly in the south of Morocco and south of Algeria. Sudan is also North Africa and we are considered black. But yeah your right most people in North Africa are Berbers

If you want an idea on how people look here. You can watch some nafri ads

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

In south Egypt it’s mostly black/Nubian who lives there

Wouldn't consider them Maghreb (The Muslim West), that is from Lybia to Mauritania. Egyptians would be considered closer to Palestine therefore to the Arab eastern world.

 

[Deleted member 5802]

If you want an idea on how people look here. You can watch some nafri ads

Yeah I know I Egypt and Morocco. North Egypt most people there are lightskin while in the southern part I felt more at home same with Moroccans. Genetically the average Moroccan is 22 percent African Ive seen some in them in the states would pass as a light skin black American and I saw some who would pass as Italian and Spainish. Most people there are mixed but genetically they are mostly Berber

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Wouldn't consider them Maghreb (The Muslim West), that is from Lybia to Mauritania. Egyptians would be considered closer to Palestine therefore to the Arab eastern world.

Egyptians genetically are not Arabs they are more related to the Maghreb Berbers. The average Egyptians is only 20 percent Arabic

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

If you want an idea on how people look here. You can watch some nafri ads

Man we are a salad, in my family we are ruaffa that look from sweden and others who look arabiyoon haha.

I see ourselves like the Brazil of Africa.

 

[MrGlutton]

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Mansa Musa (about 1280 – about 1337) was an emperor (manse) of the Mali Empire during the 14th century. He became emperor in 1312. He was the first African ruler to be famous in all of Europe and the Middle East. Historians say he was the richest person to have ever lived
@Blackeycel

JUST LOL @Shrek2OnDvD YOU LITERALLY EVISCERATED THAT RETARDED STFCEL WITH FACTS AND PURE LOGIC

MIRING

 

[TsarTsar444]

There are black african moroccans especially from the south, probably coming from Mauritania which is at the end of the day part of Al Maghreb, our imam was a black Mauritanian. Not that much tho, i don't know a percentage but definetly not much black morrocans that i know, but they definetly exist. There is also a decent number of black Lybians especially in the south, i don't know about Algeria and Egypt.

Anyways, both of you forget differences and join under the banner of Islam instead of the banner of deviancy.

I know, but Blackey is a black supremacist so its useless to talk to him