Ageing. For the Normie man.

[Rasputin]

Couldn’t agree more op. For me specially, i consider myself as Normie. And I look much better now at 28 then when I was 18-23 range. I started to look better after 23 and going up since then.

 

[eduardkoopman]

I am planning regular trips to east Europe to fuck escort now to get some intimacy whilst I still hope to ascend still.

Intimacy I dunno, but sex it is for sure. And something we all "need" when we are bealthy men in our teens and twenties.

It's because of a lack of genes
Already at ~15% bodyfat and gymcelled and have a really good skincare routine and diet. So I hope to have stopped aging for now. Still I look like I am in my late twenties so its kinda shit.

I'm sorry, but I kinda have to agree on your genetics not being so great in the aging department. I was always ahead of the curve mistly, with absolute ZERO efforts (no skin care at all, and so on). At 24, I still looked like a barely got out of puberty and teenagehood. I have done ZERO efforts untill last year (35), I looked around early 30 at that time, now with 1 year of doing some serious lookscare, I look mid twenties again.

You seem like a serious fan of dermaneedling, haven't tried that yet. Is it really effective you think?

Not tried it yet. I ordered it last week and just got it in the mail. I will research how to use it properly, and add it to the ruitine about 1 time per week. I read reserach about it; and what actual dermatologists had to say about it. It's 100% legit, probably the best callogen maxxer out there, followed by retin-A in 2nd place.

Tax rates in the Netherlands are ridiculous so I need to get out of here asap so I have enough money for escortcelling and expensive copes in the future tbh.

I never did this. But imo, every normie whiteman, once in their life (prefereably when still younger, and living an incel liestyle or the lifestyle of getting like sex once per year with a drunk whale) should go to a country where his SMV is through the roof (just for being white). So that will probably be some asian countries, and possibly some african countries. Just so to know, what it feels like to have options, to be hit on, to be seen desirable-ish.

I use sunscreen all the time and use finasteride just to make sure I will not bald.

I should consider finasteride as well. I didn't dare to try it so far, because I read somewhere it kills alot testosterone, and that might affect alot of other things as well (low libido, etc.). Is that true? Did you notice that?

Now live in a city with more females (nmgn).

Well that helps alot also i see. i just checked and see that the ration for that city is really great. I live in a city that's near the bottom. And it's true. Where i life in the age group of 18 - 45; there are signficantly more men then women. Overall the ration in my city is stil 1-1; but that's because in the elderly homes here, for every 100 grannies there are like 20 grandfathers.

I did cosmetic surgery (zygo augmentation and genioplasty) which helped the most.

I would never dare to do that.

so basically you couldnt get laid with prime women so while chad made lifelong memories

True. I will never measure up to Chad. Like a normie woman would never measure up if I had the experience of fucking Alizee in her prime. 100% legit, what you say.
I like to add 1 thing; Why would i be concerned with the experiences women have/had in the past? I'm mostly concerned, with what I can get/experience. But I'm also the type of dude, that would be okay if I came with sex, and the woman didn't. It's was good for me, and that's most important. Now ofcourse if I want her to come back for more, then more effort I put in.

you rigidly looksmaxed

Nope. I only saterted that at 35 years old. Before that, I did near zero looksmaxing and barely the minimum.

so you could claim his leftovers at 30

It's not something I aimed for. It's something that happened now. It still feels better then incel teens and early twenties. Because, even when I deniy these these leftovers which is what i actually do mainly, I am volcel then and not incel. And it feels better psychologically speaking.

I can probably only get with prime women, like a Chad, now. If i move to a place/city with skewed gender ratio. In regular places or places where there are more men then women; I can attract sometimes mid-late 20's normie women, and plenty women in 30's and above (aka, the women Chad would not fuck). I'm happy to not be incel anymore, I look at where i came from and don't compare myself with mr. model looking Chad. Because mr. Chad has a lifestyle with women that is outside of leauge (in general). I once was colleague with Chad (looked like young Elvis), that's when I first saw that an pretty attractive woman (7/10 orso) actually chatted up a man first and asked him for his number. He gave it to her, even though he had gf. I knew since then already (10+ years ago orso it was) that this is the reality of life for a mr. Chad in dating, something I will highly likely never experience (like 95+% of all men). Now i know, I might be able to experience it also to large extend also for a short time, only, if i go to some type of countries a white man.

chad drives his brand new mercedes while you catch the bus untill eventually you can purchase it 3rd hand, meanwhile by then chads done and gets free bus pass anyway

I don't compare myself to Chad. I am happy for Chad, that he has these experiences,. I would had liked to also have had such ones, but it's not within my realm to have that type of experiences. I mostly look at where i come from, and how it improved (or deminished if the case). I prefer comparing myself with myself in different stages of my life, instead of with the top 1%.

Don't be ridiculous, Chad works construction or is a bartender.

Often kinda true. Because Chad has little motivation and reason to try to go the Moneymaxxing or BetaBuxx route. And normies and below that, do try theMoneymaxxing or BetaBuxx route more; because they feel it's alegit option.
I like moneymaxxing, but just for me alone (and possibly for my future children, or certain wellfare things even). I hate betabuxxing for some woman; I would rather be single then to be the Betabuxx of a woman

 

[eloheepnitsif]

I should consider finasteride as well. I didn't dare to try it so far, because I read somewhere it kills alot testosterone, and that might affect alot of other things as well (low libido, etc.). Is that true? Did you notice that?

My libido is lower than it used to be, i'm not sure if it is due to finasteride or age. I use it for 6 years now. When a hot girl is in my bed I always can get it up so I don't see it as a problem.

Well that helps alot also i see. i just checked and see that the ration for that city is really great. I live in a city that's near the bottom. And it's true. Where i life in the age group of 18 - 45; there are signficantly more men then women. Overall the ration in my city is stil 1-1; but that's because in the elderly homes here, for every 100 grannies there are like 20 grandfathers.

The ratio of single men : single woman is even better of course. Say the ratio is 60f/40m and of those, 20f are with 20m. The ratio of singles is 40/20, twice as many single women to men.

I liked Alizee too, especially in that video. I still know the timestamp of when she does her signature dance move.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Lifefuel and true in my experience.

I'm nearly 30, was a loser until very recently. Now ascending;

To add. Probably more like, they are decending and you are staying prety similar/equal?

I started moneymaxxing last year

To add. I also money maxxed after my mid twenties. And then got into an LTR in my late twenties, in which I was a low key BetaBuxxer. Looking back, I still hate that I was a BetaBuxxer back then. The LTR was good in plenty ways, but the (low key) BetaBuxx aspect was looking back a big downer. It depends ofcourse on how much money you have, how much money means to you, and if you have e stingy/cheap personality.
But if you are. Watch out then. And put yourself on a budget, on how much you will maximum spend on a woman.

especially because nowadays, I get bombarded with women: being independant, equal (aka extra) opportunity, equal (aka more) pay then men, etc.. So i really stringly feel nowadays (against my innate nature): "fuck it bitch, pay your own way/equal cost sharing". Probably for young woman that's a Stacy below the age of 23 orso, I would make an exeption because she would probably make no or shit money and I'm mesmarised by her looks. But after that, and especially the age group of women that go for/after me. No way, am i going to pay. And be mr betaBuxx. And alot of them, are sizing me up for the role of betabuxx.

Most guys my age are on their way down - they're either married or they've got beer bellies and are balding or whatever.

And they are just around 30.
Alot of guys, when they are 40; it's like they have fallen of a cliff in looks department.
And the dumb thing is, men age (with skin) much slower then women. So with good skin care and lifestyle (food, etc.), plenty men can have skin at 50 years old of that of the average dude that is mid - late 30's.

She's 30 years old and legit would straight up ignore me when we were 16. She's still OK looking but I can't forgive that

And sometimes I also can't forgive women who haven't actually rejected me, but I know she would have were it 10 years ago. Most times I let it slide, sometimes I feel tempted to pull 1 of those tricks they used on me in the past, like ghosting or fake number or making up an really lame excuse.

My libido is lower than it used to be, i'm not sure if it is due to finasteride or age. I use it for 6 years now. When a hot girl is in my bed I always can get it up so I don't see it as a problem.

Thanks 4 the reply and share.

I liked Alizee too, especially in that video. I still know the timestamp of when she does her signature dance move.

#metoo. I was late teens or just 20 at the time. We all can imagine, what kind of effect it had on teenage (hormonal peak years) me. I looked at the screen like I was hypnotized. And then hormonal peak me, had to life incel. LOL

 

[eloheepnitsif]

By the way, I also use botox and fillers. It helps with naso folds and wrinkles. No one ever suspected anything so I will keep doing this in moderation.

 

[gaymidget]

I think people underestimate status/money. It gets more important with higher age. Its maybe not the rawest most natural attraction that women feel, but if you at least get your sex, its worth it. Foids can really love you anyways, they admire you for your success or for your looks but they will leave you if you lose your assets or if you fuck up in your relationship (become needy/jealous). I know many people who are running beta game, they act like beta buxx to get women, fuck them and then dump them while the women expect the men to be a needy beta.

 

[eduardkoopman]

I think people underestimate status/money.

Imo,
* Going the BetaBuxx route (at least in the West, with now equal economic opportunity for women, and the constant push of the independant feminist woman), AND ACTUALLY DOING BetaBuxx. That is imo, pathetic. Well, at least if she isn't young (and thus poor and kinda out of your league); or for the first year (or maybe 2 or 3 max.) when she is carrying YOUR baby and taking care of it.
* Pretending to be a BetaBuxx, but then not following it through. Is imo a legit nasty-ish tactic for normie and below normie men to get some sex/intimacy. I assume, there will be plenty drama as well when they bail.

It gets more important with higher age.

Half truth, imo.
-With older women, that is true (aka the ones loking for beta buxx).
-With younger women, they are more easily impressed somehow (probably because they have way less). Having a car and a regular home, is already better then all the other normie dudes her own age (whom still life with parents, or in student room, and only have a bike)
.

I know many people who are running beta game, they act like beta buxx to get women, fuck them and then dump them while the women expect the men to be a needy beta.

I'm not even running beta game, but alot about me and my personality screams betabuxxer to women. Because I'm quit soft/gentle in my speech style, introverted by nature, generous towards the unfortunate, really great with kids (and animals), emotionally stable (no badboy with a temper vibe, etc..).

I'm often actually offended to be casted for the BetaBuxxer; that I'll reject these women.
I hate is especially, when the woman is kinda my same aged and equal or below me in looks league. (often with added baggage, such as children, debts, etc..)
And then I'm thinking: "What the fuck do you actually bring to the table, that justifies it for me to "give" you money and haveing to deal with baggage such as kids? Nothing, imo. On the contrairy, I should actually recieve money for dealing with your kids". I could mayeb accept beta buxing a little bit, if she was plenty/way out of my looks leaugue. At least then it makes some sense, in a trade off kind of way.

Love is cuck concept. Op is slayer

I agree, that Love is a cuck concept. Or it makes one cuck. I once loved a woman I had a LTR with. And due to that Love, she got away with stuff I shouldn't and wouldn't had accepted from others. Even to the extend, that I would possibly had killed others, if they did that to me (she aborted a baby (of me (i assume) and her), and if a for example some dude had come up to her and had punched her in the stomach causing abortion of that pregnancy, I could or mayeb would had gone full rage and killed that dude (or I get killed, depending on which one won). But because I loved her, she got away with it). Aka, love makes one weak, soft and cuck. And that is only okay when dealing with infants, the unfortunale incapable and small animals that need care.

 

[Deleted member 685]

Brutal. I am a 24yo dutch incel, you mog me slightly in looks and also 2 inches taller. I am not aging very well and haven't been asked for ID for the past 5 years already. I need to get the fuck out of here ASAP.

This is not right. Over for the Netherlands.

Lekker dan nog een Nederlander

 

[Deleted member 275]

Lekker dan nog een Nederlander

Kben sws locationcel, tijd om naar nijmegen/utrecht te verkassen waar de chicks zijn

 

[eduardkoopman]

Kben sws locationcel, tijd om naar nijmegen/utrecht te verkassen waar de chicks zijn

Delft or Wageningen.

 

[Deleted member 275]

Delft or Wageningen.

so many dutch ppl in incel communities

 

[robtical]

We should applaud op for not being cuck and actually having brain with self control.

 

[eduardkoopman]

We should applaud op for not being cuck and actually having brain with self control.

Thanks.

Warning, to top it off
For Youngcels, reading this thread and thinking like Red Pill dudes: "just get older, and it will all be fine".

All these older dudes in this Thread that say postive stuff. They did: Not get fat, ugly bald, or ugly skinned.

When it comes to aging. There is a mayor shift occuring in SMV between:
1. Dudes that fall of a cliff in their 30's often already. None of such dudes will you have seen posting here. Because these dudes don't even have the concept of concerning for their looks. There dating life must be fucked; and BetaBuxx is the only option probably for them.
Aka, former normie dudes (in their teens/20's) like this:

2. Dudes that age very slowly. (99+% of the time this besides good genes, plenty of effort, skin care, training in gym, eating well, etc.)
And stay equally late twenties or 30-something year old looking, as much as possible. Like this extreme example of this 50 year old dude.

or this 47 year old dude that forgot to color his hair:

Or even like this 40 year old dude

Then, if you're the 2nd type of man. You have ascended, in a way.
Even if yout life was like an incel normie in your teens untill mid twenties or whatever.
At minimum, will you be able to scoop up and get plenty attention from older (30+) women, because probably most (50+%) of your competition looks like the dudes under 1. And the older men that do look like the dudes under 2 are often partnered up already. So women then at that age (30+) have very limited option, and mr. well aged normie (they rejected al throughout their teens and early 20's), now looks like the only left doable option. And even they have to perform for this mr. Normie to show their "worth", because mr well aged normie has options of other 30+ year old women. Ofcourse these women don't look like younger women anymore, but at least it's far better from being incel. (these women will also consider you, as their go to for cheating on their partner, I notice a bit)

And under the right circumstances (like, good location, decent money/status, etc..); you can now also scoop up with some effort the normie younger women (that you couldn't in you youth); aka decent looking normie women below 27 year old.

It's not the Chad experience. But it's way better then the incel experience. Chad experience, is only for Chad imo.

And, become number 1 type off dude. Well it's fucked. This is also the type of guys, you see walking in countries like Thailand often.


Age, for men in general isn't an issue in itself. But for women, it is.
Age is only a problem for a dude, if he gets significantly uglier.
Looks at this graph from a study( link below).
You'll see, that men with age stay equally desireable. This thus includes the 50+% of dudes that age badly; and the 50-% of men that age well/decently. One can imagine, the ascending in overall demand from women for the men (even normies as starting point) that ages hardly:
Also, women just age badly, in the eyes of men (whichcauses the mayor shift in the dating life as you get older as an dude, and these older women are the ones that now more do the "chasing").

link study: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/4/8/eaap9815.full.pdf

 

[eduardkoopman]

I'll keep feeding the content Kitty talking to myself, for future references for dudes looking up "aging".

2nd type. Dudes that age very slowly. (99+% of the time this besides good genes, plenty of effort, skin care, training in gym, eating well, etc.)
And stay equally late twenties or 30-something year old looking, as much as possible. Like this extreme example of this 50 year old dude.

Then, if you're the 2nd type of man.

Here an example of an older dude that aged well (and has pretty rediculous game, and random pickups on the street are hard-mode imo). He even forgot to color his hair. Younger, this dude was Chad tier for sure; but you'll get the drift. As a normie Well Aged man, you get worse treatment then this example (because he's an aged Chad/Chadlite); but better then other example I post below/at the bottom video.
As older dude that is the 2nd type (well aged), you will do GREAT with older women, and you still have an chance with younger (<27) women.
Stupid example:




And, this is more an example of the treatment you get when you are a type of dude; that aged badly. Well, actually, you will even get worse treatment (when you're old and actually fat, or full bald, or wrinkled skin in an ugly way).
And this dude has good convo's skills.
And he's not even Fat. Now this dude, isn't even that old, nor very bald, nor fat, nor really ulgy skinned. But he is a bit older, and not looksmaxxed at all (because he probably beleives looks don't matter or it's all about confidence or whatever).
Alot of soft rejections, a few hard rejections, and alot of pointless convo's with nautral/bad vibe. Basically how chatting up women was for me, when I was doing that 10+ years ago as a normie younger man.

 

[Deleted member 275]

sick tbh, looking forward to my 30s, so far my life was shit so this is good cope.

 

[Esteban1997]

I dont age bro im 24 and still look 16

 

[Zyros]

Yea the former popular guys from my HS mostly look like shit today while me and some friend of mine aged much better

 

[eduardkoopman]

Yea the former popular guys from my HS mostly look like shit today while me and some friend of mine aged much better

Common.
80+% of men, have no or little concept about the importance of looks. And thus don't do anti-aging stuff. And age badly, alsoe beacuse of that.
They often fully believe in one or all of the concepts of:
- my personality is most important;
- women value other things then looks more;
- women mainly value money or status (*this includes men whom believe "all women are whores" because it implies that money is main driver);
etc..

 

[Zyros]

Common.
80+% of men, have no or little concept about the importance of looks. And thus don't do anti-aging stuff. And age badly, alsoe beacuse of that.
They often fully believe in one or all of the concepts of:
- my personality is most important;
- women value other things then looks more;
- women mainly value money or status (*this includes men whom believe "all women are whores" because it implies that money is main driver);
etc..

whats anti aging stuff?

 

[eduardkoopman]

whats anti aging stuff?

low key stuff, like moisterizer + sunblock, staying slim, etc. To more deeper stuuf like Retin-A, etc.

 

[SikKunt]

You're a great poster and seem to have ascended and don't blame everything on everyone else. You took control and changed your life which is amazing. You kept pushing despite no huge genetic advantages.

You absolutely mog the disgusting, selfhating, pedophile blackpill obsessed lookismers that are your same age and hate themselves and project it unto everyone else.

You sound like a huge cuck

 

[Deleted member 2205]

You're only as old as you look tbh.
Also working age prime women (22-25) will not have any issue in an ltr with a man in his late 20s.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

so basically you couldnt get laid with prime women so while chad made lifelong memories you rigidly looksmaxed so you could claim his leftovers at 30

jfl

chad drives his brand new mercedes while you catch the bus untill eventually you can purchase it 3rd hand, meanwhile by then chads done and gets free bus pass anyway

Brutal

 

[InjectE]

To us a food metaphor.
First, I wasn’t even allowed in McDonalds.
But now, I get McDonalds offered sometimes and with some luck sometimes even get allowed into a mid range restaurant. Fine dining, is out of the option.

S L A Y E R

 

[KEy21]

You sound like a huge cuck

You ARE my bitch

 

[eduardkoopman]

S L A Y E R

I wish. But no, deffo not. More like, from incel to not incel. But nothing like a Chad/slayer level.

 

[SikKunt]

You ARE my bitch

JoinedOct 8, 2019

 

[eduardkoopman]

You sound like a huge cuck

are you having a mog contest?
The sad part is. There is no winning nor losing at the end, when you win/lose an internet forum battle.

 

[SikKunt]

are you having a mog contest?
The sad part is. There is no winning nor losing at the end, when you win/lose an internet forum battle.

contests me awards me

 

[SurgerySoon]

Thanks.

Warning, to top it off
For Youngcels, reading this thread and thinking like Red Pill dudes: "just get older, and it will all be fine".

All these older dudes in this Thread that say postive stuff. They did: Not get fat, ugly bald, or ugly skinned.

When it comes to aging. There is a mayor shift occuring in SMV between:
1. Dudes that fall of a cliff in their 30's often already. None of such dudes will you have seen posting here. Because these dudes don't even have the concept of concerning for their looks. There dating life must be fucked; and BetaBuxx is the only option probably for them.
Aka, former normie dudes (in their teens/20's) like this:

2. Dudes that age very slowly. (99+% of the time this besides good genes, plenty of effort, skin care, training in gym, eating well, etc.)
And stay equally late twenties or 30-something year old looking, as much as possible. Like this extreme example of this 50 year old dude.

or this 47 year old dude that forgot to color his hair:

Or even like this 40 year old dude

Then, if you're the 2nd type of man. You have ascended, in a way.
Even if yout life was like an incel normie in your teens untill mid twenties or whatever.
At minimum, will you be able to scoop up and get plenty attention from older (30+) women, because probably most (50+%) of your competition looks like the dudes under 1. And the older men that do look like the dudes under 2 are often partnered up already. So women then at that age (30+) have very limited option, and mr. well aged normie (they rejected al throughout their teens and early 20's), now looks like the only left doable option. And even they have to perform for this mr. Normie to show their "worth", because mr well aged normie has options of other 30+ year old women. Ofcourse these women don't look like younger women anymore, but at least it's far better from being incel. (these women will also consider you, as their go to for cheating on their partner, I notice a bit)

And under the right circumstances (like, good location, decent money/status, etc..); you can now also scoop up with some effort the normie younger women (that you couldn't in you youth); aka decent looking normie women below 27 year old.

It's not the Chad experience. But it's way better then the incel experience. Chad experience, is only for Chad imo.

And, become number 1 type off dude. Well it's fucked. This is also the type of guys, you see walking in countries like Thailand often.


Age, for men in general isn't an issue in itself. But for women, it is.
Age is only a problem for a dude, if he gets significantly uglier.
Looks at this graph from a study( link below).
You'll see, that men with age stay equally desireable. This thus includes the 50+% of dudes that age badly; and the 50-% of men that age well/decently. One can imagine, the ascending in overall demand from women for the men (even normies as starting point) that ages hardly:
Also, women just age badly, in the eyes of men (whichcauses the mayor shift in the dating life as you get older as an dude, and these older women are the ones that now more do the "chasing").
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link study: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/4/8/eaap9815.full.pdf

Do you know the name of the 50 year-old guy wearing the black glasses? Does he implement some sort insanely effective antiaging regimen, or does he just have God-tier genetics?

 

[OldRooster]

Dating pool size change. The big game changer with aging for normie men.

1. dating pool size when young normie man
When your young normie man, your dating pool is small.
Most women won’t date men younger then themselves, when that young men is a normie. So it’s only peer aged (aka young) women, that are in your dating pool. And these young women, have Hugh SMV (Sexual Market Value). She (young women) are wanted by all Chads, young Chads, older Chads, and all men whatever age and looks level. Their SMV is through the roof.
Basically, as a normie young man. Your dating pool is really small, and the competition is massive. Being incel, or having very low luck (like 1% orso) is the norm.



2. dating pool size when older (past early 30’s) normie man, that is NOT fat, not ugly bald(ing), and not ugly skin.
When your this type of older man, your dating pool is much bigger then in your youth. In your own age group (male competition same age), you have risen from middle range to more top range or above average. Just for not getting fat, ugly bald or ugly skinned.
Normie women (or below that) that are aged 10 years younger and women aged 10 years older will want to be with you or give you a chance.
A hugh increase in option, and attention. Now with younger women, you still need to do the chasing as mr. normie mid 30’s. But, you’ll also get attention from same aged women (or older then you). Now, being incel is not the case anymore, if such a dude is sexless it’s due to his standards. So it’s volcel.

Your dating pool size increases massively provided you are willing to date women that have kids, and/or women that do not want kids. But past 35 your dating pool of women that do not yet have a family but want a family actually shrinks quite a bit. And the women that do exist in that small pool tend to be mental cases.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Do you know the name of the 50 year-old guy wearing the black glasses? Does he implement some sort insanely effective antiaging regimen, or does he just have God-tier genetics?

His name you can read here:

Model, 50, shows off his extremely youthful good looks

It wouldn't work for everyone but Chuando Tan, from Singapore, says working out, eating Hainan chicken and never bathing late or early in the day means he looks decades younger than he is.

www.google.com

He has great genes for sure, for nice skin.
I am very sure, that he has a good combo of the following:
Skin care, healthy lifestyle, enough excercise.

In this dude, everything came together at once: good genes plus good lifestyle (throughout whole lifestime) plus good skin care.

Your dating pool size increases massively provided you are willing to date women that have kids, and/or women that do not want kids. But past 35 your dating pool of women that do not yet have a family but want a family actually shrinks quite a bit. And the women that do exist in that small pool tend to be mental cases.

This is true, as my observation as well.
For dudes looking for something "serious", the pool is bigger but filled with more"bad" options then good ones.
For dudes not looking for something serious, it's a bit easier. Imo

 

[BNCcel]

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That's cope graphs... a 60 years old foid has more SMV than me at 25 and 80% of all men

 

[eduardkoopman]

That's cope graphs... a 60 years old foid has more SMV than me at 25 and 80% of all men

These graphs measured Relationship Market Value RMV I think;
and not Sexual Market Value SMV.

2 very different things. imo.
- Access to sex is controlled by women, and women hold all the power there. Hence women have very high SMV (even 60 year old foid). Men are most interested in sex. Women are overall less interested in sex.
- giving commitment and exclusivity, is more controlled by men, and men hold most of the power there. Women are more interested in commitment/exclucivity. Men are overall less interested in giving 1 woman commitment/exclucivity. The RMV, is imo where the high SMV of the woman and the higher commitment/exclusivity value of the man; come together.

 

[BNCcel]

How can you have any RMV if you can't even get sex because your SMV is shit, i don't get it. You can't go LTR if she doesn't even want to spread her legs for you.

 

[eduardkoopman]

How can you have any RMV if you can't even get sex because your SMV is shit, i don't get it. You can't go LTR if she doesn't even want to spread her legs for you.

It's not exact science, at all.

But imo it goes like this:

* If your SMV, is low.(lets say a 3/10). And your commitment is worth 5/10. Then your RMV is also low. like a 4/10;
* If your SMV, is low (3/10). And your commitment is worth 8/10 (rich dude). Then your RMV is about average, like a 5.5/10.

Now in this current day and age, and with younger women especially. Commitment, is at the moment not so important anymore as in the past. So possibly it doesn't factor in anymore a 50%, but maybe only still 25% orso.

It's true, that dudes with shit SMV, also can't get LTR (overall).
It's also true, that dudes with average SMV (that hardly can or just about can't get random sex) can get an LTR (and sex through that way). Like not hot enough for random sex handouts, but still good looking enough to have sex with in exchange for a betabuxx type of deal.

 

[eduardkoopman]

This video might be a good example, of how an well aged older dude does:

 

[Bewusst]

Or just visit hookers, pay less in the long run, fuck higher-quality women and be more emotionally stable due to not taking all that rejection.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Or just visit hookers, pay less in the long run, fuck higher-quality women and be more emotionally stable due to not taking all that rejection.

That's true, if it's "just" about sex.

Plenty, if not most men. They also want "romantic" validation. To feel wanted, desired; and to have a sense of that they have options.
They can't stand the idea, that they are incel. Volcel, they wouldn't mind probably, but not incel. And that "romantic" validation; one can't get from hookers. And maybe that feeling of lacking validation, is more painfull then facing rejections. Although a good looking normie, might get not that many rejections or hard rejection

 

[Bewusst]

That's true, if it's "just" about sex.

Plenty, if not most men. They also want "romantic" validation. To feel wanted, desired; and to have a sense of that they have options.
They can't stand the idea, that they are incel. Volcel, they wouldn't mind probably, but not incel. And that "romantic" validation; one can't get from hookers. And maybe that feeling of lacking validation, is more painfull then facing rejections. Although a good looking normie, might get not that many rejections or hard rejection

Being rejected more often than not will just make you feel less validated, less desired and destroy your self-esteem even further imo. So I have to disagree on that one. Desperately trying to force getting validation is not a good idea imo. Know where you stand, accept it and find a way to deal with it if it's not satisfying. That's how I see it.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Not Gonna live as KHHV past 25 even if there is a chance that i age well.

There’s more to life than women man. Relax and it’ll all work out right

 

[Over]

There’s more to life than women man. Relax and it’ll all work out right

No there isnt. Top priority reason for existence according to your brain is to copulate. Its hardcoded inside everyone's brain, thus you cannot cheat it. You may cope with money or degree or whatever but you will never be as happy as attractive man who had success in mating with multiple women.

Life all comes down to sex. I'd you are failing at sez then you're a complete failure like me.

 

[Deleted member 756]

No there isnt. Top priority reason for existence according to your brain is to copulate. Its hardcoded inside everyone's brain, thus you cannot cheat it. You may cope with money or degree or whatever but you will never be as happy as attractive man who had success in mating with multiple women.

Life all comes down to sex. I'd you are failing at sez then you're a complete failure like me.

Relax. Just focus on bettering yourself and then look for girls. I know it sounds like cope but you need to love yourself first.

 

[Deusmaximus]

Relax. Just focus on bettering yourself and then look for girls. I know it sounds like cope but you need to love yourself first.

Most important is to let your face cut open, and move the bones into the right place. Fuck self development and all this shit. A 6psl guy can be the biggest looser and slay left and right.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Most important is to let your face cut open, and move the bones into the right place. Fuck self development and all this shit. A 6psl guy can be the biggest looser and slay left and right.

It’s about self love first and foremost. Sex doesn’t matter

 

[Gengar]

Brutal. I am a 24yo dutch incel, you mog me slightly in looks and also 2 inches taller. I am not aging very well and haven't been asked for ID for the past 5 years already. I need to get the fuck out of here ASAP.

This is not right. Over for the Netherlands.

Het is over

 

[Over]

I know it sounds like cope but you need to love yourself first.

Just fucking delete your account from here retard

 

[Deleted member 756]

Just fucking delete your account from here retard

If you can’t love yourself no one else will

 

[eduardkoopman]

Dating pool size change.

1. dating pool size when young normie man


2. dating pool size when older (past early 30’s) normie man, that is NOT fat, not ugly bald(ing), and not ugly skin.

some graphs about dating pool size and age.
When assuming: women are happy to date +10/-5 in age; and men +5/-10.

 

[Madhate]

some graphs about dating pool size and age.
When assuming: women are happy to date +10/-5 in age; and men +5/-10.

Definitely true. Most younger women want older/mature men.