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Introduction​

Growth plates, or epiphyseal plates, are essential for bone growth. The chondrocytes in these plates undergo stages of proliferation, hypertrophy, and apoptosis, all regulated by GH, IGF-1, testosterone, and estrogen. This review delves into how these hormones affect chondrocyte activity and why growth plates close, ending height growth.

Mechanisms of Chondrocyte Regulation​

Chondrocytes in growth plates go through a cycle: they divide in the proliferative zone, enlarge in the hypertrophic zone, and die off to be replaced by bone in the ossification zone. GH and IGF-1 are crucial for these processes, promoting division, enlargement, and bone formation. This cartilage-to-bone replacement, known as endochondral ossification, is vital for height growth during childhood and adolescence .

Pubertal Changes and Growth Plate Senescence​

During puberty, typically between ages 15-19 in developed countries and 12-15 in less developed ones, growth accelerates but then slows as chondrocytes become less responsive to growth signals. Environmental and genetic factors cause faster telomere shortening, making chondrocytes more prone to aging and apoptosis, leading to growth plate closure and the end of height increase .

Pathways Influencing Chondrocyte Response​

The STAT and PI3K-Akt pathways are key for GH and IGF-1 signaling in chondrocytes. However, these pathways become less effective as chondrocytes age. Therefore, giving GH to older individuals doesn’t have much effect, similar to trying to revive a barren field with water .

Role of Estrogen and Androgens in Growth Plate Closure​

Estrogen is crucial for growth plate closure, binding to receptors on chondrocytes and promoting their maturation and ossification. Some propose using letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, to keep growth plates open by reducing estrogen. However, this can increase testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which also bind to androgen receptors on chondrocytes and promote ossification .

Discussion​

While letrozole might delay growth plate closure, it doesn’t guarantee additional height growth. Mature chondrocytes don’t respond well to GH, making significant height increase unlikely. Using GH after puberty won’t yield much growth and can lead to issues like insulin resistance .

Conclusion​

Using GH and IGF-1 to boost height after puberty is ineffective due to the natural aging of chondrocytes and the closure of growth plates. Letrozole may delay closure but doesn’t ensure extra height growth. Future research should focus on understanding chondrocyte aging and finding ways to improve their responsiveness during key growth periods.

References​

  1. Baron, J., et al. (2006). The Growth Plate. Journal of Endocrinology, 189(1), 27-40. Link
  2. Lui, J.C., et al. (2019). Biological parameters of the human growth plate. Journal of Biological Chemistry, 294(24), 9137-9148. Link
  3. Nilsson, O., et al. (2015). Evidence that estrogen hastens growth plate senescence. Journal of Molecular Endocrinology, 54(1), 61-69. Link
  4. Hiyama, A., et al. (2021). Growth plate senescence and epiphyseal fusion: Mechanisms and implications. Frontiers in Endocrinology, 12, 705. Link
  5. Tian, J., et al. (2019). Molecular mechanisms of endochondral ossification and its role in skeletal diseases. Journal of Molecular Endocrinology, 62(2), 1-14. Link
 
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it's fine as long as the information is accurate.

something that's often overlooked here is that the average age of the participants in hgh trials is around 10 years of age, they're pre-puberty, not nearing the end of it like most posters here.
 
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Introduction​

Growth plates, or epiphyseal plates, are essential for bone growth. The chondrocytes in these plates undergo stages of proliferation, hypertrophy, and apoptosis, all regulated by GH, IGF-1, testosterone, and estrogen. This review delves into how these hormones affect chondrocyte activity and why growth plates close, ending height growth.

Mechanisms of Chondrocyte Regulation​

Chondrocytes in growth plates go through a cycle: they divide in the proliferative zone, enlarge in the hypertrophic zone, and die off to be replaced by bone in the ossification zone. GH and IGF-1 are crucial for these processes, promoting division, enlargement, and bone formation. This cartilage-to-bone replacement, known as endochondral ossification, is vital for height growth during childhood and adolescence .

Pubertal Changes and Growth Plate Senescence​

During puberty, typically between ages 15-19 in developed countries and 12-15 in less developed ones, growth accelerates but then slows as chondrocytes become less responsive to growth signals. Environmental and genetic factors cause faster telomere shortening, making chondrocytes more prone to aging and apoptosis, leading to growth plate closure and the end of height increase .

Pathways Influencing Chondrocyte Response​

The STAT and PI3K-Akt pathways are key for GH and IGF-1 signaling in chondrocytes. However, these pathways become less effective as chondrocytes age. Therefore, giving GH to older individuals doesn’t have much effect, similar to trying to revive a barren field with water .

Role of Estrogen and Androgens in Growth Plate Closure​

Estrogen is crucial for growth plate closure, binding to receptors on chondrocytes and promoting their maturation and ossification. Some propose using letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, to keep growth plates open by reducing estrogen. However, this can increase testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which also bind to androgen receptors on chondrocytes and promote ossification .

Discussion​

While letrozole might delay growth plate closure, it doesn’t guarantee additional height growth. Mature chondrocytes don’t respond well to GH, making significant height increase unlikely. Using GH after puberty won’t yield much growth and can lead to issues like insulin resistance .

Conclusion​

Using GH and IGF-1 to boost height after puberty is ineffective due to the natural aging of chondrocytes and the closure of growth plates. Letrozole may delay closure but doesn’t ensure extra height growth. Future research should focus on understanding chondrocyte aging and finding ways to improve their responsiveness during key growth periods.

References​

  1. Baron, J., et al. (2006). The Growth Plate. Journal of Endocrinology, 189(1), 27-40. Link
  2. Lui, J.C., et al. (2019). Biological parameters of the human growth plate. Journal of Biological Chemistry, 294(24), 9137-9148. Link
  3. Nilsson, O., et al. (2015). Evidence that estrogen hastens growth plate senescence. Journal of Molecular Endocrinology, 54(1), 61-69. Link
  4. Hiyama, A., et al. (2021). Growth plate senescence and epiphyseal fusion: Mechanisms and implications. Frontiers in Endocrinology, 12, 705. Link
  5. Tian, J., et al. (2019). Molecular mechanisms of endochondral ossification and its role in skeletal diseases. Journal of Molecular Endocrinology, 62(2), 1-14. Link
Can say from doing this myself heightmaxxing is cope
 
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Introduction​

Growth plates, or epiphyseal plates, are essential for bone growth. The chondrocytes in these plates undergo stages of proliferation, hypertrophy, and apoptosis, all regulated by GH, IGF-1, testosterone, and estrogen. This review delves into how these hormones affect chondrocyte activity and why growth plates close, ending height growth.

Mechanisms of Chondrocyte Regulation​

Chondrocytes in growth plates go through a cycle: they divide in the proliferative zone, enlarge in the hypertrophic zone, and die off to be replaced by bone in the ossification zone. GH and IGF-1 are crucial for these processes, promoting division, enlargement, and bone formation. This cartilage-to-bone replacement, known as endochondral ossification, is vital for height growth during childhood and adolescence .

Pubertal Changes and Growth Plate Senescence​

During puberty, typically between ages 15-19 in developed countries and 12-15 in less developed ones, growth accelerates but then slows as chondrocytes become less responsive to growth signals. Environmental and genetic factors cause faster telomere shortening, making chondrocytes more prone to aging and apoptosis, leading to growth plate closure and the end of height increase .

Pathways Influencing Chondrocyte Response​

The STAT and PI3K-Akt pathways are key for GH and IGF-1 signaling in chondrocytes. However, these pathways become less effective as chondrocytes age. Therefore, giving GH to older individuals doesn’t have much effect, similar to trying to revive a barren field with water .

Role of Estrogen and Androgens in Growth Plate Closure​

Estrogen is crucial for growth plate closure, binding to receptors on chondrocytes and promoting their maturation and ossification. Some propose using letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, to keep growth plates open by reducing estrogen. However, this can increase testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which also bind to androgen receptors on chondrocytes and promote ossification .

Discussion​

While letrozole might delay growth plate closure, it doesn’t guarantee additional height growth. Mature chondrocytes don’t respond well to GH, making significant height increase unlikely. Using GH after puberty won’t yield much growth and can lead to issues like insulin resistance .

Conclusion​

Using GH and IGF-1 to boost height after puberty is ineffective due to the natural aging of chondrocytes and the closure of growth plates. Letrozole may delay closure but doesn’t ensure extra height growth. Future research should focus on understanding chondrocyte aging and finding ways to improve their responsiveness during key growth periods.

References​

  1. Baron, J., et al. (2006). The Growth Plate. Journal of Endocrinology, 189(1), 27-40. Link
  2. Lui, J.C., et al. (2019). Biological parameters of the human growth plate. Journal of Biological Chemistry, 294(24), 9137-9148. Link
  3. Nilsson, O., et al. (2015). Evidence that estrogen hastens growth plate senescence. Journal of Molecular Endocrinology, 54(1), 61-69. Link
  4. Hiyama, A., et al. (2021). Growth plate senescence and epiphyseal fusion: Mechanisms and implications. Frontiers in Endocrinology, 12, 705. Link
  5. Tian, J., et al. (2019). Molecular mechanisms of endochondral ossification and its role in skeletal diseases. Journal of Molecular Endocrinology, 62(2), 1-14. Link
it's fine as long as the information is accurate.

something that's often overlooked here is that the average age of the participants in hgh trials is around 10 years of age, they're pre-puberty, not nearing the end of it like most posters here.
Does taking CJC and aromasin work for height growth as a mid teenager?
 
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Can say from doing this myself heightmaxxing is cope
I went extrmely hard as well and was too late, 17 bone age is too late to spend hundreds of dollars, you won't get much past your growth chart snd prediction if you don't start at like 15
 
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Being fat and low igf makes u short u can just save ur predicted height
 
Being fat and low igf makes u short
this statement is contradictory. Empirical data shows that obese individuals typically have higher IGF-1 levels, not lower. Additionally, the statement does not consider the percentage of the global population that has growth hormone deficiency
 
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this statement is contradictory. Empirical data shows that obese individuals typically have higher IGF-1 levels, not lower. Additionally, the statement does not consider the percentage of the global population that has growth hormone deficiency
I dıdnt say obeses are low igf thehy are high e and being skinny makes u low igf both are makes u short
 
I literaly say it all the time, why you guys look at this chatgpt generated thread and be like "woaaaah!! I am in shock"



Increasing serum hgh levels in you blood will not result in more growth
 
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I went extrmely hard as well and was too late, 17 bone age is too late to spend hundreds of dollars, you won't get much past your growth chart snd prediction if you don't start at like 15
It just begun for me
 
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. However, this can increase testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which also bind to androgen receptors on chondrocytes and promote ossification .
then take fin?
 
that’s why I mainly support injecting when your hormones (igf-1) are below average/low percentile which many users included I have had and grown some.
If your body has no incentive to grow it won’t obviously, but this also includes hormonal factors. From hgh, I’ve grown 1.5 inches in the last 3-4 months. I also started taking aromasin since last year
 
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basically, it works when during Puberty and it doesn't after puberty?
 
I literaly say it all the time, why you guys look at this chatgpt generated thread and be like "woaaaah!! I am in shock"



Increasing serum hgh levels in you blood will not result in more growth
This thread is was not generated by chatgpt i wrote everything and then chatgpt rewrote it for clarification and grammar issues
 
it only works if youre deficient in hgh
Then what would you suggest that I do? and aromasin makes that and closing of the growth plates slower? So why wouldn’t it work?
 
Did you copy that one doctor tikoker fag hahaha
 
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if u start very early its not cope but none of these niggas are that young
 

Introduction​

Growth plates, or epiphyseal plates, are essential for bone growth. The chondrocytes in these plates undergo stages of proliferation, hypertrophy, and apoptosis, all regulated by GH, IGF-1, testosterone, and estrogen. This review delves into how these hormones affect chondrocyte activity and why growth plates close, ending height growth.

Mechanisms of Chondrocyte Regulation​

Chondrocytes in growth plates go through a cycle: they divide in the proliferative zone, enlarge in the hypertrophic zone, and die off to be replaced by bone in the ossification zone. GH and IGF-1 are crucial for these processes, promoting division, enlargement, and bone formation. This cartilage-to-bone replacement, known as endochondral ossification, is vital for height growth during childhood and adolescence .

Pubertal Changes and Growth Plate Senescence​

During puberty, typically between ages 15-19 in developed countries and 12-15 in less developed ones, growth accelerates but then slows as chondrocytes become less responsive to growth signals. Environmental and genetic factors cause faster telomere shortening, making chondrocytes more prone to aging and apoptosis, leading to growth plate closure and the end of height increase .

Pathways Influencing Chondrocyte Response​

The STAT and PI3K-Akt pathways are key for GH and IGF-1 signaling in chondrocytes. However, these pathways become less effective as chondrocytes age. Therefore, giving GH to older individuals doesn’t have much effect, similar to trying to revive a barren field with water .

Role of Estrogen and Androgens in Growth Plate Closure​

Estrogen is crucial for growth plate closure, binding to receptors on chondrocytes and promoting their maturation and ossification. Some propose using letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, to keep growth plates open by reducing estrogen. However, this can increase testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which also bind to androgen receptors on chondrocytes and promote ossification .

Discussion​

While letrozole might delay growth plate closure, it doesn’t guarantee additional height growth. Mature chondrocytes don’t respond well to GH, making significant height increase unlikely. Using GH after puberty won’t yield much growth and can lead to issues like insulin resistance .

Conclusion​

Using GH and IGF-1 to boost height after puberty is ineffective due to the natural aging of chondrocytes and the closure of growth plates. Letrozole may delay closure but doesn’t ensure extra height growth. Future research should focus on understanding chondrocyte aging and finding ways to improve their responsiveness during key growth periods.

References​

  1. Baron, J., et al. (2006). The Growth Plate. Journal of Endocrinology, 189(1), 27-40. Link
  2. Lui, J.C., et al. (2019). Biological parameters of the human growth plate. Journal of Biological Chemistry, 294(24), 9137-9148. Link
  3. Nilsson, O., et al. (2015). Evidence that estrogen hastens growth plate senescence. Journal of Molecular Endocrinology, 54(1), 61-69. Link
  4. Hiyama, A., et al. (2021). Growth plate senescence and epiphyseal fusion: Mechanisms and implications. Frontiers in Endocrinology, 12, 705. Link
  5. Tian, J., et al. (2019). Molecular mechanisms of endochondral ossification and its role in skeletal diseases. Journal of Molecular Endocrinology, 62(2), 1-14. Link
Nigga are you slow no way ur saying GH and AI dont work...

First off, e2.... No way u think it's as simple as "estrogen closes growth plates" muh muhh nigga. Estrogen interacts with ERa and ERB on chondrocytes, which triggers MAPK/ERK, PI3K/Akt, and Wnt/B-catenin pathways they regulate chondrocyte proliferation and hypertrophy. E2 also upregulates MMPs and VEGF for remodeling plates and boosting blood vessel formation. This isnt "muh e2 simpleee" it's a process that you clearly don’t get

Now Ai your saying they don’t work because reducing estrogen isn’t enough??? lmao what nigga, it stops the conversion of androgens to estrogens... This slows down EVERY estrogen mediated process. this isnt a fucking theory it’s how these drugs work nigga

More e2 = more test/dht doesnt mean plates will close faster... they interact with androgen receptors on chondrocytes, which activatees paths that PROMOTE growth the Wnt/B-catenin path is involved here too higher androgen receptor expression means chondrocytes are more responsive to androgens supports continued growth even when e2 levels are changes

Abt telomeres, E2 affects telomerase activity + TRF1 and TRF2 which MAINTAINS telomere integrity lowering estrogen delays telomere attrition which would increase chondrocyte proliferative capacity + epigenetic changes, DNA methylation and histone modifications change gene expression patterns for growth epigenetic drugs can reverse this, reactivating growth genes youre ignoring a whole field of science

also localized deliver like nanoparticle carriers boosts GH and IGF-1 u could also combine this with telomerase activators and epigenetic modulators could boost chondrocyte proliferation and delay senescence


"insulin resistance"
nigga even ur avg steroid gymbro knows how to counter this side

TLDR: hes on copius amounts of weed
 
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I literaly say it all the time, why you guys look at this chatgpt generated thread and be like "woaaaah!! I am in shock"



Increasing serum hgh levels in you blood will not result in more growth
nope hes wrong again this is the 5th anti hgh thread ive seen u reply on and dickride that i js debunk, well keep this going
 
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nope hes wrong again this is the 5th anti hgh thread ive seen u reply on and dickride that i js debunk, well keep this going
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Its not that i dickride , i AM the one who make this anti hgh threads, it was me idea all along


I am a DR
I can easily destroy you with the power of SCIENCE, facts and logic

But you lucky i spare you dumbass , go then go buy hgh and see it for yourself

Do it, buy it
 
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I am a DR
I can easily destroy you with the power of SCIENCE, facts and logic

But you lucky i spare you dumbass , go then go buy hgh and see it for yourself

Do it
No Dr. Nikga im sorry pls dont embarrass me with ur insane iq
 
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No Dr. Nikga im sorry pls dont embarrass me with ur insane iq
Do it

Buy hgh and see it for yourself

We will see who is RIGHT And who is NOT
 
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Do it

Buy hgh and see it for yourself

We will see who is RIGHT And who is NOT
my plates r closed, also ik how the science works u dont
 
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on dhzz if i catch u its on sight fn
On KING DAVID NIGGA ON KING DAVID

YOU BETTER NOT LET ME CAUGHT YAA ASS LACKING NIGGA

THESE BULLETS WILL PIERCE THROUGHT YOU BRAINS IN SECONDS NIGGA (idk if u have any brains tho)
 
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On KING DAVID NIGGA ON KING DAVID

YOU BETTER NOT LET ME CAUGHT YAA ASS LACKING NIGGA

THESE BULLETS WILL PIERCE THROUGHT YOU BRAINS IN SECONDS NIGGA (idk if u have any brains tho)
ON WHO NIGGA U CALLIN ANOTHER NIGGA YO KING IK U BE SNIFFING HIS DICK
U BE PUTTING UR DICK IN THAT NIGGA ASSHOLE (u dont have a dick u a pussy)
ASS NIGGA BMD U GON BE LOOKIN LIKE A FROSTED SNOWFLAKE AFTER THIS ON SIGHT FN
NUT ON YO FACE LIKE U MY BITCH
 
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ON WHO NIGGA U CALLIN ANOTHER NIGGA YO KING IK U BE SNIFFING HIS DICK
U BE PUTTING UR DICK IN THAT NIGGA ASSHOLE (u dont have a dick u a pussy)
ASS NIGGA BMD U GON BE LOOKIN LIKE A FROSTED SNOWFLAKE AFTER THIS ON SIGHT FN
NUT ON YO FACE LIKE U MY BITCH
AGRH YOU ITUCKINGGN IGEE4R YOUU TUCKINGG BASTATDDD

YOU GONMA BE GONE NIGGA YOU GONNA BE FUCKINGG GONEE

ONN KIMG DAVID , IF I SEE YOU , A FUCKING MASCARA WILL GONNA HAPLENDDDD , YOU WILL BE FUCKINGG DEATHH FUCKING D E A RH

I WILL UNLOAD ALL THAAT MAGS ON YOU FUCKING FACE , THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFR OF YOU

JUST WAIT NIGGA JUST WAIT
 
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AGRH YOU ITUCKINGGN IGEE4R YOUU TUCKINGG BASTATDDD

YOU GONMA BE GONE NIGGA YOU GONNA BE FUCKINGG GONEE

ONN KIMG DAVID , IF I SEE YOU , A FUCKING MASCARA WILL GONNA HAPLENDDDD , YOU WILL BE FUCKINGG DEATHH FUCKING D E A RH

I WILL UNLOAD ALL THAAT MAGS ON YOU FUCKING FACE , THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFR OF YOU

JUST WAIT NIGGA JUST WAIT
U FUCKINBG BAFOOKJMN IM BDOLN EWITH THJFDIK SDHUIT UR OGN GET |FUCKED BICH ASS NIGGA
FUCJK U THINK THIS IS DUMB ASS NIGG
ON BMD U FUCK NIGGA IMA ROLL ON YO PACK NIGGA
SLIME ON SLIME FN CATCH U ON MY STREET GON BE ON YO PERIUOD FN
 
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Always been over, u cant alter exogenously all ur genetic growth processes at play, even if u would have the control and the ascendancy on one of them as supraphysiological levels of HGH the effect will be barely negligible through HGH resistance and genes retrocontrol, if u are not deficient or stunted in this parameter u will just speed up ur skeletal maturation earlier than expected that s it


Even acromegaly and gigantism are part of growth genes alteration that u cant replicate exogenously, as in those cases endogenous HGH reaches insane amount of a dose for a long period that u probably couldnt replicate exogenously in safety anyway


It is utter cope
 
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Btw It is utterly over for AI copers too, u cant just biohack ur body without altered genes

 
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Btw It is utterly over for AI copers too, u cant just biohack ur body without altered genes

I also like sending studies that barely if at all correlate to the arguement im trying to make, keep it up twin
 
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I also like sending studies that barely if at all correlate to the arguement im trying to make, keep it up twin
U cant just replicate genes alteration in a way of biohacking urself, ur body will retrocontrol u to ground when u are shooting for ur dreams if genes are physiologically healthy and if u are not stunted or deficient in a certain way prior through catch up if possible


U cant just replicate this exogenously

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U cant just replicate genes alteration in a way of biohacking urself, ur body will retrocontrol u to ground when u are shooting for ur dreams if genes are physiologically healthy and if u are not stunted or deficient in a certain way prior through catch up if possible


U cant just replicate this exogenously

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The first study says it takes several hormones but everyone already knows this
2nd study

2nd study isnt about low estrogen its about missing parts of estrogen

Keep it up twin ur inspiring me
 
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The first study says it takes several hormones but everyone already knows this
2nd study

2nd study isnt about low estrogen its about missing parts of estrogen

Keep it up twin ur inspiring me
There is literally not a single study outside there or any user here that reported extra growth potential in a state of already physiological parameters like serum levels, receptors sensitivity and genes statut prior, just some copers in puberty period who got all hot at their tracking obsession through the process of growth, not a single molecule of this cope

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There is literally not a single study outside there or any user here that reported extra growth potential in a state of already physiological parameters like serum levels, receptors sensitivity and genes statut prior, just some copers in puberty period who got all hot at their tracking obsession through the process of growth, not a single molecule of this cope

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Also do u really thing org users actually do shit some do 99% of them are js lying which ruins the work/didnt work stat
 
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Also do u really thing org users actually do shit some do 99% of them are js lying which ruins the work/didnt work stat
That s it, nobody would even go all in full sayan mode as having the money or courage to experience this for plenty years with a background of the physiological state prior to treatment to justify the mere potential results only linked to treatment on a clear non stunted individual with a precise adult predicted height, so we will never have a clear and undeniable proof of any sort

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