AI will make IQ obsolete within 20 yrs

[wishIwasSalludon]

first off AI will make human intellect obsolete it’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when

I could easily see it happening within 20yrs

Machinery has already made much of physical labor obsolete

Now mental labor is next

There are two possible routes now

1.we return back to an egalitarian society similar to how most hunter gatherers

2. The dividing line which separates the lower and higher classes will be based on who was smart enough to invest in AI and thus have a share in it, as well as looks, and things that ai can’t replace because we value the fact that humans do them

Think things like art, sports, poetry etc

Thoughts?

@imontheloose

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

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[imontheloose]

AI isn’t beating human creativity and intuition. The human brain is the most fascinating system in the universe. We are very likely never going to understand all the intricacies of it; it is well-known as one of the things we will forever struggle with like quantum.

AI is going to replace probably half the beginner roles within film and production in about 20 years, but all intellectual subjects that require intuition and human creativity rather than just searching google for a human’s method, will always be dominated by humans.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

AI isn’t beating human creativity and intuition.

Maybe you could say this 5 yrs ago but the creative power of AI has been exploding rapidly

We’ve already seen some instances of AI making new discoveries

For example 2 yrs ago AI discovered a new more efficient way to multiply matrices

Not quite yet the ground breaking society changing discoveries I predict AI will make in the future

But considering that before AI had essentially no creative capacity this is a big step up

And this was 2 yrs ago btw

Grok 4 can solve post grad level problems which it has never seen before

AI will absolutely be able to replace even most high level jobs in stem at the very least

But will AI be able to make new discoveries and come up with creative solutions like how say people like Einstein, Lagrange or Hilbert could?

That’s a completely different question but I do believe it will get to that point eventually.

 

[Iraniancel]

Maybe you could say this 5 yrs ago but the creative power of AI has been exploding rapidly

We’ve already seen some instances of AI making new discoveries

For example 2 yrs ago AI discovered a new more efficient way to multiply matrices

Not quite yet the ground breaking society changing discoveries I predict AI will make in the future

But considering that before AI had essentially no creative capacity this is a big step up

And this was 2 yrs ago btw

Grok 4 can solve post grad level problems which it has never seen before

AI will absolutely be able to replace even most high level jobs in stem at the very least

But will AI be able to make new discoveries and come up with creative solutions like how say people like Einstein, Lagrange or Hilbert could?

That’s a completely different question but I do believe it will get to that point eventually.

I agree, he underestimates the exponential improvement of AI. Revert back to hunter gatherer

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I agree, he underestimates the exponential improvement of AI. Revert back to hunter gatherer

The thing about technology is it always progresses faster than we expect

And humans always find a way to work around problems

When mass energy equivalence was discovered scientists at the time said that using it to build an Atom bomb would be impossible

We all know how that turned out.

 

[imontheloose]

Maybe you could say this 5 yrs ago but the creative power of AI has been exploding rapidly

We’ve already seen some instances of AI making new discoveries

For example 2 yrs ago AI discovered a new more efficient way to multiply matrices

Not quite yet the ground breaking society changing discoveries I predict AI will make in the future

But considering that before AI had essentially no creative capacity this is a big step up

And this was 2 yrs ago btw

Grok 4 can solve post grad level problems which it has never seen before

AI will absolutely be able to replace even most high level jobs in stem at the very least

But will AI be able to make new discoveries and come up with creative solutions like how say people like Einstein, Lagrange or Hilbert could?

That’s a completely different question but I do believe it will get to that point eventually.

AlphaTensor’s search was a boxed-in human defined game board. It shaved 4 multiplications off a 4 x 5 x 5 case, that’s just a constant factor tweak, not any new asymptotic insight. Outside them human constraints, AlphaTensor offers zero explanation, proof, or theory, all of which came from mathematicians. It’s as I said, just impressive automated tinkering. This isn’t a sign of creativity like you’re making it out to be; they just automated something they couldn’t be bothered to do, effectively.

xAI is just marketed to death; they have no published benchmark unlike OpenAI. Even the state-of-the-art LLMs that I’ve worked with myself at uni with insane licenses hallucinate 15% of the time on technical queries. That’s a lethal error rate in any STEM workflow. It can solve a problem every now and then if you give it enough human knowledge, but it cannot generate any underlying research agenda itself; that’s the real currency of scientific jobs.

And no, you’re completely wrong here on the most STEM jobs being able to be replaced. The 2024 MIT cost model made this very clear. More than 75% of jobs are not worth it to ever be automated. You need humans to still monitor all of this and handle the errors and feed it the knowledge. Still, zero AI made drugs in pharma with approval too.

They are fundamentally flawed. I’ve worked with these LLMs a lot. They need a frozen objective and cannot come up with their own objectives. They produce answers with no why. Again, zero intuition. Galileo’s telescope and even CRISPR relied totally on these things.

All that will happen in serious STEM sectors is AI will be used as a phenomenal tool to assist us; it will never call the shots itself. I have experienced first hand how easy to exploit they are too.

 

[imontheloose]

I agree, he underestimates the exponential improvement of AI. Revert back to hunter gatherer

I’ve worked with them first hand and saw the improvement occur in real-time myself.

 

[Iraniancel]

I’ve worked with them first hand and saw the improvement occur in real-time myself.

Wth does this mean? You're working on the most capable secret ai models?

 

[imontheloose]

The thing about technology is it always progresses faster than we expect

And humans always find a way to work around problems

When mass energy equivalence was discovered scientists at the time said that using it to build an Atom bomb would be impossible

We all know how that turned out.

An LLM would just regurgitate that it isn’t possible back to you. We have made AIs that literally intentionally mislead you for fun; they are just token generators.

 

[imontheloose]

Wth does this mean? You're working on the most capable secret ai models?

No you absolute imbecile.

 

[Iraniancel]

No you absolute imbecile.

So what do you you worked with them? Because the powerful AI models are not released to the public. Your statement doesn't make sense you barnes

 

[imontheloose]

So what do you you worked with them? Because the powerful AI models are not released to the public. Your statement doesn't make sense you barnes

Believe it or not, when you go to university, you get access to very expensive things which the general public won’t get their hands on. They are only given to institutes of education for a very hefty cost and the such.

A similar example for your peanut Iranian brain is MATLAB; although you can buy it individually, it is an incredibly expensive license yet it’s pretty fun to use. The university pays for these tools and are often given to the higher performing universities.

 

[kana]

first off AI will make human intellect obsolete it’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when

I could easily see it happening within 20yrs

Machinery has already made much of physical labor obsolete

Now mental labor is next

There are two possible routes now

1.we return back to an egalitarian society similar to how most hunter gatherers

2. The dividing line which separates the lower and higher classes will be based on who was smart enough to invest in AI and thus have a share in it, as well as looks, and things that ai can’t replace because we value the fact that humans do them

Think things like art, sports, poetry etc

Thoughts?

@imontheloose

here’s what happens

as AI replaces every cuck normie job, we all become dependent on the government (welfare) for assistance, first the developed countries then the third world of course

as time progresses, we can’t just be using resources for free? what we consume will be further tainted, every single action of ours thanks to AI will be further monitored and limited, since we’re dependent on the government, they can do so as they please. In the end, a new world order must be formed.

then the slaughter begins, oh the screams and suffering of many shall commence, world war 3 will so coincidently begin … us normies will be sent to the meat grinder

afterwards, the world is re-carved up, and a new world order is established.

 

[kana]

here’s what happens

as AI replaces every cuck normie job, we all become dependent on the government (welfare) for assistance, first the developed countries then the third world of course

as time progresses, we can’t just be using resources for free? what we consume will be further tainted, every single action of ours thanks to AI will be further monitored and limited, since we’re dependent on the government, they can do so as they please. In the end, a new world order must be formed.

then the slaughter begins, oh the screams and suffering of many shall commence, world war 3 will so coincidently begin … us normies will be sent to the meat grinder

afterwards, the world is re-carved up, and a new world order is established.

the living embodiment of satan known as the WEF have already decided our fate YEARS before AI’s creation

 

[Iraniancel]

Believe it or not, when you go to university, you get access to very expensive things which the general public won’t get their hands on. They are only given to institutes for education for a very hefty cost and the such.

A similar example for your peanut Iranian brain is MATLAB; although you can buy it individually, it is an incredibly expensive license but it’s pretty cool to use. The university pays for these tools and are often given to the higher performing universities.

Jfl if your peanut british brain thinks those where comparable with the most powerful AI that's being developed rn

 

[imontheloose]

Jfl if your peanut british brain thinks those where comparable with the most powerful AI that's being developed rn

Sure, they have more powerful AIs that they work on behind the scenes, but that’s the case with every branch of STEM; there are drugs not available to the public and not even education institutes, but the ones in education will still see the effects of progression as more and more get released. You can even see the change in technology with OpenAI and that is publicly accessible apart from unfinished models. I will bet my left testicle your retarded Iranian waste of space hasn’t gone to any sort of further education.

Utter charlatan.

 

[nobodylovesme]

I just want a chip in muh brain.

And live a fantasy life

To your question, yes I believe AI will be the future. But not in the near, as AGI won't be made by increasing tokens(probably gonna hit diminishing returns at some point), I think we need some new architectural leap. Maybe it's a 10+ year problem.

 

[imontheloose]

I just want a chip in muh brain.

And live a fantasy life

To your question, yes I believe AI will be the future. But not in the near, as AGI won't be made by increasing tokens(probably gonna hit diminishing returns at some point), I think we need some new architectural leap. Maybe it's a 10+ year problem.

You’d need a breakthrough in neuroscience and technology. I could see it within a few decades, but even then, that’s incredibly optimistic to claim it will be able to survive without a set objective from a human and to provide actual, rigorous proofs.

 

[Iraniancel]

Sure, they have more powerful AIs that they work on behind the scenes, but that’s the case with every branch of STEM; there are drugs not available to the public and not even education institutes, but the ones in education will still see the effects of progression as more and more get released. You can even see the change in technology with OpenAI and that is publicly accessible apart from unfinished models. I will bet my left testicle your retarded Iranian waste of space hasn’t gone to any sort of further education.

Utter charlatan.

My point is I thought you underestimate AI development, since there is AI developed that we have no idea about.

Then you said you worked with them. You didn't.

I will go to further sort of education nigga. Sorry for being 18 I guess. I will then own a business with my brother.

Also stop coping with race. My Iranian family is more educated than yours. Came here as teens and still became doctors

 

[RapeAllFemales]

IQ is already obsolete

 

[nobodylovesme]

You’d need a breakthrough in neuroscience and technology. I could see it within a few decades, but even then, that’s incredibly optimistic to claim it will be able to survive without a set objective from a human and to provide actual, rigorous proofs.

Yeah, I think at the start it has to be extremely monitored. More of a helper tool.

Maybe in the far future, it becomes the self improving machine becoming too hard for us to understand fully (black box).

Or at least I hope. I wanna live in a saltwater pod with muh haptic suit, and live in some cool world

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

I want to train an AI on silicon valley tech CEOs, so they can all lose their jobs

 

[Futura]

first off AI will make human intellect obsolete it’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when

I could easily see it happening within 20yrs

Machinery has already made much of physical labor obsolete

Now mental labor is next

There are two possible routes now

1.we return back to an egalitarian society similar to how most hunter gatherers

2. The dividing line which separates the lower and higher classes will be based on who was smart enough to invest in AI and thus have a share in it, as well as looks, and things that ai can’t replace because we value the fact that humans do them

Think things like art, sports, poetry etc

Thoughts?

@imontheloose

Orwell already predicted what will happen in part 2 of 1984

Either the elites keep power and even with the ability for everyone not to have to work they will still want to retain power and opress everyone

Or a "communist" automated society arises due to the lack of capitalist incentive (no labour = no consumers) and ai would solve the economic calculation problem

 

[imontheloose]

My point is I thought you underestimate AI development, since there is AI developed that we have no idea about.

Then you said you worked with them. You didn't.

I will go to further sort of education nigga. Sorry for being 18 I guess. I will then own a business with my brother.

Also stop coping with race. My Iranian family is more educated than yours. Came here as teens and still became doctors

I have played around with LLMs which you won’t be able to get access to and we’ve had the opportunity to mess around with them ourselves. That is my point. I can tell you now, it isn’t exponential. It is funny enough tapering off currently as they attempt to get a new breakthrough.

I retain my left testicle!

 

[Futura]

AI isn’t beating human creativity and intuition. The human brain is the most fascinating system in the universe. We are very likely never going to understand all the intricacies of it; it is well-known as one of the things we will forever struggle with like quantum.

AI is going to replace probably half the beginner roles within film and production in about 20 years, but all intellectual subjects that require intuition and human creativity rather than just searching google for a human’s method, will always be dominated by humans.

AI isn’t beating human creativity and intuition. The human brain is the most fascinating system in the universe. We are very likely never going to understand all the intricacies of it; it is well-known as one of the things we will forever struggle with like quantum.

AI is going to replace probably half the beginner roles within film and production in about 20 years, but all intellectual subjects that require intuition and human creativity rather than just searching google for a human’s method, will always be dominated by humans.

We can't really know as ai could influence quantum computing and vice versa massively increasing research speed especially for complicated things like the brain and neural networks

 

[imontheloose]

Yeah, I think at the start it has to be extremely monitored. More of a helper tool.

Maybe in the far future, it becomes the self improving machine becoming too hard for us to understand fully (black box).

Or at least I hope. I wanna live in a saltwater pod with muh haptic suit, and live in some cool world

It will likely forever remain a helper tool. That is the best bet. Trying to hypothesise some insane breakthrough in neuroscience and technology to the point that we can program intuition and allow LLMs to write their own objectives based off God knows what, is a bit silly.

 

[imontheloose]

We can't really know as ai could influence quantum computing and vice versa massively increasing research speed especially for complicated things like the brain and neural networks

That would be fascinating to see!

 

[Iraniancel]

I retain my left testicle!

Is this a threat?

I have played around with LLMs which you won’t be able to get access to and we’ve had the opportunity to mess around with them ourselves. That is my point. I can tell you now, it isn’t exponential. It is funny enough tapering off currently as they attempt to get a new breakthrough.

Until you see the CIAs AI being developed rn. Also when you said "i saw the changes occur in real life" it did sound like you're larping as being part of development. You can't tell me you don't see how somehow this could lead to a misunderstanding considering most wouldn't assume you're getting access to better models trough uni

 

[epicmogger123]

amazing day to be smart but not caring enough to get a crazy hard job with it so wether or not this happens changes nothing for me and i dont even gotta think abt it jfl

 

[imontheloose]

Is this a threat?

No, I’m not mean!

Until you see the CIAs AI being developed rn. Also when you said "i saw the changes occur in real life" it did sound like you're larping as being part of development. You can't tell me you don't see how somehow this could lead to a misunderstanding considering most wouldn't assume you're getting access to better models trough uni

I am absolutely not part of developing LLMs. All we have done is mess around and make very crappy ones just to get the general gist of how they operate at a standard level (you can make them literally have any bias you want, it’s quite scary), and then we moved onto the very intricate LLMs which are incredible to use. I have seen how they changed in such a short period of time and it’s impressive, but they are really struggling with cost. They have had to shut down some of these campaigns due to how much money it costs!

Most do assume you get access to better models as it’s a developing sector; you are speaking for yourself. It’s just like how students doing their PhD are able to go and use brand new equipment/advancements which the general public don’t really know about.

 

[Debetro]

Physical labor is not obsolete lmao

 

[nobodylovesme]

It will likely forever remain a helper tool. That is the best bet. Trying to hypothesise some insane breakthrough in neuroscience and technology to the point that we can program intuition and allow LLMs to write their own objectives based off God knows what, is a bit silly.

Yeah, I agree with how things are now. But you never know. These LLMs kinda came out of nowhere, and who knows what can happen given how much money is poured to this research (On hindsight it's obvious LLMs would come).

But yes, hypothesizing about these is a bit silly, but I wouldn't say it's off the reach. I think there can be a machine good enough to surpass human intellect vastly. But who knows is silicon enough to do it, it still stays as an open question.

 

[Futura]

Physical labor is not obsolete lmao

He said much of which is correct

 

[jaaba]

first off AI will make human intellect obsolete it’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when

I could easily see it happening within 20yrs

Machinery has already made much of physical labor obsolete

Now mental labor is next

There are two possible routes now

1.we return back to an egalitarian society similar to how most hunter gatherers

2. The dividing line which separates the lower and higher classes will be based on who was smart enough to invest in AI and thus have a share in it, as well as looks, and things that ai can’t replace because we value the fact that humans do them

Think things like art, sports, poetry etc

Thoughts?

@imontheloose

Debatable

 

[imontheloose]

Yeah, I agree with how things are now. But you never know. These LLMs kinda came out of nowhere, and who knows what can happen given how much money is poured to this research (On hindsight it's obvious LLMs would come).

But yes, hypothesizing about these is a bit silly, but I wouldn't say it's off the reach. I think there can be a machine good enough to surpass human intellect vastly. But who knows is silicon enough to do it, it's still stays as an open question.

We will see. I think the sensible bet is that unless we have some insane linkage with quantum computing too, it will stay a fantastic tool.

 

[Debetro]

He said much of which is correct

As for example? Warehouses and construction are desesperate for workers. AI machinery is very expensive and not perfect.

 

[Iraniancel]

I am absolutely not part of developing LLMs. All we have done is mess around and make very crappy ones just to get the general gist of how they operate at a standard level (you can make them literally have any bias you want, it’s quite scary), and then we moved onto the very intricate LLMs which are incredible to use. I have seen how they changed in such a short period of time and it’s impressive, but they are really struggling with cost. They have had to shut down some of these campaigns due to how much money it costs!

I understand it now, but originally it sounded like you're joking about being part of the development team of AI.

Most do assume you get access to better models as it’s a developing sector; you are speaking for yourself. It’s just like how students doing their PhD are able to go and use brand new equipment/advancements which the general public don’t really know about.

I guarantee you, nobody would have assumed you're at university right now and got access to special AI. Besides, I thought you're like 30

 

[Iraniancel]

No, I’m not mean!

 

[Futura]

As for example? Warehouses and construction are desesperate for workers. AI machinery is very expensive and not perfect.

For example farming worker requirement literally got obliterated in the past century, and factory machinery also drastically reduced amount of workers needed for production chains

 

[imontheloose]

Besides, I thought you're like 30

I might be. You can go to university at any time! We don’t discriminate. We have a student here who is about 60.

 

[Wexilarious]

Ai already outdated technology that died like blackpill

 

[Daddy's Home]

Thoughts?

Eventually, everything will be done at the bubble level (as is happening now in factories for example, where everything is protected from external factors or factors over which the company has no control) where everything will be automated to the point where there will be little or no need for any human person to watch the process

This will go to the point where everything will be automated, from agriculture, to transportation, to the production of finished goods products, to any kind of online or physical services (like selling products like food)

This will obviously be achievable when we have the necessary technology that is also cheap enough to be more cost-effective than hiring a modern slave from a poor country in Asia

Of all countries, probably in China we will see this first realized partially and eventually as a generality and majority

Eventually, also following the political philosophy, the majority of the population will not work, the majority companies will be state owned, and there will be a free minimum state-funded salary/allowance/survivor's pension for permanent citizens of the country, whereby a couple can carefree support a family of at least 2 children (minimum population replacement rate), so that people can consume things and live normally without the need for a job (like if everyone won the lottery, but the prize is divided monthly, the money doesn't come all at once, and the source of the money comes from the automated production of goods and services that are sold with more value, made physically or online by robots and AI)

But for these things to happen, it will take many decades, or even hundreds of years, because there is a lot of logistics involved, but competition will make things go faster and better in any case

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

No you absolute imbecile.

That wasn’t very nice

 

[DarkTriadBeliever]

It's already been useless the second the calculator was invented

 

[YellowFeverCurrycel]

Believe it or not, when you go to university, you get access to very expensive things which the general public won’t get their hands on. They are only given to institutes of education for a very hefty cost and the such.

A similar example for your peanut Iranian brain is MATLAB; although you can buy it individually, it is an incredibly expensive license yet it’s pretty fun to use. The university pays for these tools and are often given to the higher performing universities.

Niggas flexing MATLAB when everything can be done using python for free. Look at the cost of an ABAQUS license.

 

[superpsycho]

so over for iq copers

 

[imontheloose]

Niggas flexing MATLAB when everything can be done using python for free. Look at the cost of an ABAQUS license.

It’s fascinating how technology advances! I really enjoy MATLAB even though it is getting replaced; it feels incredibly nostalgic. There is no point mentioning Abaqus if he can’t understand how licensing works.

 

[menas]

our best shot would be trying to keep up with it and understand it