All of you care about something higher than pleasure you are just not awere of it. And I can prove it.

[LocalDanger]

All people here that think they don't care about anything higher than pleasure haven't thought about it enough. So let me open your eyes.

I forgot the name of this thought experiment but something about pleasure machine.

Basically it proves that we all care about something higher than just pleasure.

So imagine if there was machine that you just plug into your brain. And that machine gives you pure pleasure all the time without stopping. Something you cannot get in this true reality that all others live in. Would you do it even though you would live in shallow lie.

Now if you care about higher meaning and are not selfish already you would say I already knew I would never do it it's obvious I care about doing good in real world.

But if you are other type and care only about selfishness it still proves you care about some higher thing. Which is truth.

Would you really be fine with living as some pathetic vegetable hooked up to machine in your delusional dream totally alone. While others live their life's in real world and have real connections and expirences and sex with others. While you are in your delusional dream hooked up to a machine that feeds you fake pleasure without anyone there alone living some illusion while people out there have real sex with each other.

I think this proves that all of you you care about something higher than just pleasure if you are completely honest. Now it's not black and white ofc pleasure and pain are still key factor but they are just one part of whole picture and are missing most important factor on their own.

All of you if you are completely honest would choose life of a real chad even if it has less pleasure overall than illusion that machine made for pleasure gives you because its not illusion but truth.

 

[Gaia262]

All people here that think they don't care about anything higher than pleasure haven't thought about it enough. So let me open your eyes.

I forgot the name of this thought experiment but something about pleasure machine.

Basically it proves that we all care about something higher than just pleasure.

So imagine if there was machine that you just plug into your brain. And that machine gives you pure pleasure all the time without stopping. Something you cannot get in this true reality that all others live in. Would you do it even though you would live in shallow lie.

Now if you care about higher meaning and are not selfish already you would say I already knew I would never do it it's obvious I care about doing good in real world.

But if you are other type and care only about selfishness it still proves you care about some higher thing. Which is truth.

Would you really be fine with living as some pathetic vegetable hooked up to machine in your delusional dream totally alone. While others live their life's in real world and have real connections and expirences and sex with others. While you are in your delusional dream hooked up to a machine that feeds you fake pleasure without anyone there alone living some illusion while people out there have real sex with each other.

I think this proves that all of you you care about something higher than just pleasure if you are completely honest. Now it's not black and white ofc pleasure and pain are still key factor but they are just one part of whole picture and are missing most important factor on their own.

All of you if you are completely honest would choose life of a real chad even if it has less pleasure overall than illusion that machine made for pleasure gives you because its not illusion but truth.

Its not a question of something is real or not.

We actually live in a simulation right now, following laws, listening to the government , sitting at a desk job ect.

Your natural state is living in a cave foraging berries.

People choose to live in a vegetable state of constant pleasure through the use of drugs, alchohol, hedonism ect. If it wasnt for side effects and dininishing returns most would stay there.

Its a complex question. Some humans seek pleasure, some want to work for pleasure, some can only feel pleasure if others dont have it ect.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

All people here that think they don't care about anything higher than pleasure haven't thought about it enough. So let me open your eyes.

I forgot the name of this thought experiment but something about pleasure machine.

Basically it proves that we all care about something higher than just pleasure.

So imagine if there was machine that you just plug into your brain. And that machine gives you pure pleasure all the time without stopping. Something you cannot get in this true reality that all others live in. Would you do it even though you would live in shallow lie.

Now if you care about higher meaning and are not selfish already you would say I already knew I would never do it it's obvious I care about doing good in real world.

But if you are other type and care only about selfishness it still proves you care about some higher thing. Which is truth.

Would you really be fine with living as some pathetic vegetable hooked up to machine in your delusional dream totally alone. While others live their life's in real world and have real connections and expirences and sex with others. While you are in your delusional dream hooked up to a machine that feeds you fake pleasure without anyone there alone living some illusion while people out there have real sex with each other.

I think this proves that all of you you care about something higher than just pleasure if you are completely honest. Now it's not black and white ofc pleasure and pain are still key factor but they are just one part of whole picture and are missing most important factor on their own.

All of you if you are completely honest would choose life of a real chad even if it has less pleasure overall than illusion that machine made for pleasure gives you because its not illusion but truth.

Yeah, it's called drugs. There's nothing more pleasurable than drugs. Sex pales in comparison. Anyone saying no are just copers. Your whole post is a cope. Take away alcohol from normies and see the world burn to ashes overnight(the real reason drugs are illegal)

 

[LocalDanger]

Yeah, it's called drugs. There's nothing more pleasurable than drugs. Sex pales in comparison. Anyone saying no are just copers. Your whole post is a cope. Take away alcohol from normies and see the world burn to ashes overnight(the real reason drugs are illegal)

So you would choose to be on drugs like some vegetable in your bed endlessly instead of falling in love and having sex with real girl?

 

[LocalDanger]

Its not a question of something is real or not.

We actually live in a simulation right now, following laws, listening to the government , sitting at a desk job ect.

Your natural state is living in a cave foraging berries.

People choose to live in a vegetable state of constant pleasure through the use of drugs, alchohol, hedonism ect. If it wasnt for side effects and dininishing returns most would stay there.

Its a complex question. Some humans seek pleasure, some want to work for pleasure, some can only feel pleasure if others dont have it ect.

But it is about truth.

For example you care about truth because let's say there is a prime jailbait in vr that you fuck and fall in love with and then you discover she is actually 70 year old grandpa in real first reality how would you feel would it all fall apart and would you want to throw it all away? Of course yes because you know the truth.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

So you would choose to be on drugs like some vegetable in your bed endlessly instead of falling in love and having sex with real girl?

If somebody doesn't choose that, he's not an actual human. Or just a larper with some retarded ideology that thinks he has a higher moral ground.
And yes, I do take and value science higher than retarded baseless moral grounds which doesn't make sense.

 

[LocalDanger]

If somebody doesn't choose that, he's not an actual human. Or just a larper with some retarded ideology that thinks he has a higher moral ground.
And yes, I do take and value science higher than retarded baseless moral grounds which doesn't make sense.

What not an actual human? I don't get it what do you mean by actual human because your definition seems strange and contrary to what almost everyone believes being human is.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

What not an actual human? I don't get it what do you mean by actual human because your definition seems strange and contrary to what almost everyone believes being human is.

Feel good = seek it.
That's essentially a human in a nutshell.
To go a bit deeper. Everything in relation to humans is driven by chemicals and hormones.
Now you're arguing that chemical and hormones > morals.
It never began for your argument. Just give up already. You're arguing without understanding even the basic principles of what a human is.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Tldr?

 

[LocalDanger]

Tldr?

Truth is thing that's more important than just pleasure and higher thing that everyone cares about

 

[LocalDanger]

Feel good = seek it.
That's essentially a human in a nutshell.
To go a bit deeper. Everything in relation to humans is driven by chemicals and hormones.
Now you're arguing that chemical and hormones > morals.
It never began for your argument. Just give up already. You're arguing without understanding even the basic principles of what a human is.

I never said that morals are higher than feeling good but denying importance of truth is delusional.

Here is example. Lets say you get prime jailbait in vr and you are on cloud nine. But then you discover that in real world she is 70 year old dirty granpa. Suddenly it would lose meaning and you wouldn't want it anymore. Even though the pleasure can be the same.It wouldn't be the same on some other fundamental level. You would not want a lie that's why you would end it

 

[Deleted member 10536]

I never said that morals are higher than feeling good but denying importance of truth is delusional.

Here is example. Lets say you get prime jailbait in vr and you are on cloud nine. But then you discover that in real world she is 70 year old dirty granpa. Suddenly it would lose meaning and you wouldn't want it anymore. Even though the pleasure can be the same.It wouldn't be the same on some other fundamental level. You would not want a lie that's why you would end it

I literally told you I'd choose drugs over life. Life sucks, period, unless you're 0.1%, but even then drugs mog, because currently there is nothing better than drugs. I guess you could directly stimulate brains with electrodes, but that'd be the ultimate.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Yeah, it's called drugs. There's nothing more pleasurable than drugs. Sex pales in comparison. Anyone saying no are just copers. Your whole post is a cope. Take away alcohol from normies and see the world burn to ashes overnight(the real reason drugs are illegal)

sad truth

 

[LocalDanger]

I literally told you I'd choose drugs over life. Life sucks, period, unless you're 0.1%, but even then drugs mog, because currently there is nothing better than drugs. I guess you could directly stimulate brains with electrodes, but that'd be the ultimate.

So you would choose to have sex with old dirty grandpa that pretends to be prime jail bait because it gives you more pleasure instead of being real chad and having experiences and sex with real jail bait in real world because it has less pleasure than being in illusion and lie alone totally oblivious to reality where everyone else is ?

 

[LocalDanger]

sad truth

Why ?

If you get sex with real females you would be sutisfed enough and wouldn't need a lie and escape like drugs

 

[Deleted member 10536]

So you would choose to have sex with old dirty grandpa that pretends to be prime jail bait because it gives you more pleasure instead of being real chad and having experiences and sex with real jail bait in real world because it has less pleasure than being in illusion and lie alone totally oblivious to reality where everyone else is ?

I'd choose drugs over any kind of sex with any kind of girl.
If I cared for sex that much with ''prime jb pussy'', then I'd buy it. But here I am being a virgin.

 

[LocalDanger]

I'd choose drugs over any kind of sex with any kind of girl.
If I cared for sex that much with ''prime jb pussy'', then I'd buy it. But here I am being a virgin.

Ok then two questions.

Why did you ignore my grandpa example when it's more closely tied with the truth vs pleasure example?

And if you don't care about prime girls and getting them why are you here? When this is a place where you sacrifice mental health in toxic place for possible looksmaxing tips that you might get so you can eventually get the best girls possible. I think you are not honest with yourself. Reason why you don't pay is because as I said life is not just about pleasure and you care about company and actual love even if based on looks it's still true feeling and you care about it.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

Ok then two questions.

Why did you ignore my grandpa example when it's more closely tied with the truth vs pleasure example?

And if you don't care about prime girls and getting them why are you here? When this is a place where you sacrifice mental health in toxic place for possible looksmaxing tips that you might get so you can eventually get the best girls possible. I think you are not honest with yourself. Reason why you don't pay is because as I said life is not just about pleasure and you care about company and actual love even if based on looks it's still true feeling and you care about it.

Because it's such a low tier cope, it could never compare to normal avg sex. Didn't even seem relevant to even try to address it. Comparing virtual sex against irl sex...
I'm here because I have no friends, this is my social outlet. +improving looks. I'd be doing drugs 24/7, sure, but that's unsustainable and unrealistic, I have to live real life in real world. How can you not understand such basic and obvious things, is beyond my comprehension.

 

[LocalDanger]

Because it's such a low tier cope, it could never compare to normal avg sex. Didn't even seem relevant to even try to address it. Comparing virtual sex against irl sex...
I'm here because I have no friends, this is my social outlet. +improving looks. I'd be doing drugs 24/7, sure, but that's unsustainable and unrealistic, I have to live real life in real world. How can you not understand such basic and obvious things, is beyond my comprehension.

I don't understand how can you miss my point so much lol

Grandpa example is about it being more pleasurable in vr than real life in alternative reality as a thought experiment to prove my point. The whole point is that it's more pleasurable but it's a lie and prime jailbait is a grandpa. And then I ask would you still chose this sex if it was more pleasurable than true real life sex with real jailbait? Would you choose more pleasurable lie?

 

[Apeiron]

Without pain, there would be no pleasure. Without up there would be no down. Without night, there would be no day.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

I don't understand how can you miss my point so much lol

Grandpa example is about it being more pleasurable in vr than real life in alternative reality as a thought experiment to prove my point. The whole point is that it's more pleasurable but it's a lie and prime jailbait is a grandpa. And then I ask would you still chose this sex if it was more pleasurable than true real life sex with real jailbait? Would you choose more pleasurable lie?

Ok. So here's a thought experiment for you then. In the future you're supposedly will be able to create artificial body with whatever parameters you deem to be worthy, i.e. ''prime jb pussy'' and transfer your consciousness in said body. At the time medicine has advanced considerably far enough, to prevent brain death for at least 500 years. Now this ''prime jb pussy'' is 500 years old mummy. How would that make your experience any less valid/worthless/unappealing? You make no sense.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

Without pain, there would be no pleasure. Without up there would be no down. Without night, there would be no day.

Low iq thinking. Just because you live in a box, doesn't mean the world doesn't exist outside the box. There can unironically be only up and never down, sometimes.

 

[Apeiron]

Low iq thinking. Just because you live in a box, doesn't mean the world doesn't exist outside the box. There can unironically be only up and never down, sometimes.

No, there can’t.

 

[LocalDanger]

Ok. So here's a thought experiment for you then. In the future you're supposedly will be able to create artificial body with whatever parameters you deem to be worthy, i.e. ''prime jb pussy'' and transfer your consciousness in said body. At the time medicine has advanced considerably far enough, to prevent brain death for at least 500 years. Now this ''prime jb pussy'' is 500 years old mummy. How would that make your experience any less valid/worthless/unappealing? You make no sense.

Wut that makes no sense.

Are you saying that if you got real prime girl at one point and then you were frozen and transported into far future. She would be mummy by then. Ok. So what? What does it have to do with truth?

It is not connected to my argument in any way it actually reinforces it.


In my example you lived a lie there was no prime girl it was old grandpa pretending to be a girl in fake reality. A lie.

In your example there is no lie at one point you had expirence with real prime girl it was the truth.

Why are these two things fundamentally different? Because one is truth no matter when it happened and grandpa never was truth.Once a truth always truth. Nothing can change that that's why it's most important part and ultimate.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

No, there can’t.

There's no physical law in universe saying that.
So yes, it can.
Literally everything is possible, what is within physical laws of the universe. And those laws allow for a lot, so much much more than what we're currently capable of. We're just barely scratching the surface here.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

Wut that makes no sense.

Are you saying that if you got real prime girl at one point and then you were frozen and transported into far future. She would be mummy by then. Ok. So what? What does it have to do with truth?

It is not connected to my argument in any way it actually reinforces it.


In my example you lived a lie there was no prime girl it was old grandpa pretending to be a girl in fake reality. A lie.

In your example there is no lie at one point you had expirence with real prime girl it was the truth.

Why are these two things fundamentally different? Because one is truth no matter when it happened and grandpa never was truth.Once a truth always truth. Nothing can change that that's why it's most important part and ultimate.

Just read again. Idk what you're even talking about here anymore.

 

[LocalDanger]

Just read again. Idk what you're even talking about here anymore.

"In the future you're supposedly will be able to create artificial body with whatever parameters you deem to be worthy, i.e. ''prime jb pussy'' and transfer your consciousness in said body."

Wait so you are saying I transfer body into prime jailbait? Wut why? Why you say that?

I thought you said you transfer you brain 500 years into future so prime jailbait is dead. But you meant something else?

 

[Deleted member 10536]

"In the future you're supposedly will be able to create artificial body with whatever parameters you deem to be worthy, i.e. ''prime jb pussy'' and transfer your consciousness in said body."

Wait so you are saying I transfer body into prime jailbait? Wut why? Why you say that?

I thought you said you transfer you brain 500 years into future so prime jailbait is dead. But you meant something else?

A granny transfers her brains into ''prime jb pussy'' body and you have sex with a 500 yo granny, but with a body of 69/10 16 yo body 500 yo granny.

 

[LocalDanger]

A granny transfers her brains into ''prime jb pussy'' body and you have sex with a 500 yo granny, but with a body of 69/10 16 yo body 500 yo granny.

That's easier to understand because english is not my first language.

Exactly well how is that not a lie ?

She was grandpa in original reality and to me original reality is the truth.

Her consciousness is old and already expirenced life and had a lot of sex lost inoccene. Overall even if she deletes memory it's a lie. Because it's artificial and fake. She didn't like her body and herself so she transfered into something fake something that she is not so she can live a artifcal lie.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

That's easier to understand because english is not my first language.

Exactly well how is that not a lie ?

She was grandpa in original reality and to me original reality is the truth.

Her consciousness is old and already expirenced life and had a lot of sex lost inoccene. Overall even if she deletes memory it's a lie. Because it's artificial and fake. She didn't like her body and herself so she transfered into something fake something that she is not so she can live a artifcal lie.

Again, makes no sense. What does it even mean to have "something of your own"?
Nobody is going to keep their bodies in the future. It makes no sense. Bodies age and wilt, deteriorate. It's not physically possible to keep a body, most likely. Easiest solution is the transfer of consciousness, because you're dealing with a single organ(brains) and not an entire organism(whole body)
Plastic surgery of the face = you lost your face. So it's fake and it's not yours anymore?
You bought some new clothes and threw away old. New clothes are fake and not real, not yours, because...? I don't even fucking know why, because that's your fucked up logic.
Imagine you lost your legs, and now you've got prosthetics. They're not your legs. So you throw them away and stay crippled for the rest of your life without a capability of ever moving.
Your heart experienced a failure and you're going to die in the next 24 hours if you don't get a heart donor. You get a heart donor, but you refuse it, because it's fake and not yours, so you have to die.
I can keep on going and going. You're legit dumb. You never made sense even once in this thread, ever.
Just go back to cave and use rocks, but even that is fake and not yours, so idk how can you accept that either.

 

[Apeiron]

There's no physical law in universe saying that.
So yes, it can.
Literally everything is possible, what is within physical laws of the universe. And those laws allow for a lot, so much much more than what we're currently capable of. We're just barely scratching the surface here.

The material universe is dualistic and relativistic in nature. Relativity is its most fundamental law.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

The material universe is dualistic and relativistic in nature. Relativity is its most fundamental law.

So... Where is the dualism in particle science? Particle-wave duality? How does it relate to whatever you tried to say earlier? Even more so to your current statement?
Whats your reasoning for it being "its most fundamental law". How does it even apply here?
What are you even trying to say?
We have gravity, electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces and within these laws confines we can achieve a lot, a lot more than what we even can comprehend currently. We don't even know basic shit behind basic shit, we just observe and deduct that that's how it goes, but we don't even understand why and how.

 

[Apeiron]

So... Where is the dualism in particle science? Particle-wave duality? How does it relate to whatever you tried to say earlier? Even more so to your current statement?
Whats your reasoning for it being "its most fundamental law". How does it even apply here?
What are you even trying to say?
We have gravity, electromagnetism, weak and strong nuclear forces and within these laws confines we can achieve a lot, a lot more than what we even can comprehend currently. We don't even know basic shit behind basic shit, we just observe and deduct that that's how it goes, but we don't even understand why and how.

I’m talking to a mule with his head stuck up his ass.

Apparently.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

I’m talking to a mule with his head stuck up his ass.

Apparently.

Apparently a good argument indeed, that could be applied exactly to you.
Kys.

 

[Apeiron]

Apparently a good argument indeed, that could be applied exactly to you.
Kys.

Life will kill me later, don’t worry.

 

[potentialhabit1]

If all i cared about was pleasure I would just go do heroine

 

[LocalDanger]

Again, makes no sense. What does it even mean to have "something of your own"?
Nobody is going to keep their bodies in the future. It makes no sense. Bodies age and wilt, deteriorate. It's not physically possible to keep a body, most likely. Easiest solution is the transfer of consciousness, because you're dealing with a single organ(brains) and not an entire organism(whole body)
Plastic surgery of the face = you lost your face. So it's fake and it's not yours anymore?
You bought some new clothes and threw away old. New clothes are fake and not real, not yours, because...? I don't even fucking know why, because that's your fucked up logic.
Imagine you lost your legs, and now you've got prosthetics. They're not your legs. So you throw them away and stay crippled for the rest of your life without a capability of ever moving.
Your heart experienced a failure and you're going to die in the next 24 hours if you don't get a heart donor. You get a heart donor, but you refuse it, because it's fake and not yours, so you have to die.
I can keep on going and going. You're legit dumb. You never made sense even once in this thread, ever.
Just go back to cave and use rocks, but even that is fake and not yours, so idk how can you accept that either.

I don't get how you don't see the difference between true jailbait that is actually young and fake grandpa that pretends to be a jailbait. There is an original reality without artificial human interference and there is only one true jailbait. You cannot change fundamental reality.

Ofc fake leg is fake leg what's your argument there? But you take it because it's better than alternative isn't it super obvious? But what does it have to do with my argument. Truth still matters and just like there is one true leg there is only one true jailbait in this example.

 

[LocalDanger]

If all i cared about was pleasure I would just go do heroine

Exactly

 

[Lihito]

Its not a question of something is real or not.

We actually live in a simulation right now, following laws, listening to the government , sitting at a desk job ect.

Your natural state is living in a cave foraging berries.

People choose to live in a vegetable state of constant pleasure through the use of drugs, alchohol, hedonism ect. If it wasnt for side effects and dininishing returns most would stay there.

Its a complex question. Some humans seek pleasure, some want to work for pleasure, some can only feel pleasure if others dont have it ect.

And then theres David goggins

 

[AsGoodAsItGets]

I literally told you I'd choose drugs over life. Life sucks, period, unless you're 0.1%, but even then drugs mog, because currently there is nothing better than drugs. I guess you could directly stimulate brains with electrodes, but that'd be the ultimate.

Like the dopamine rat zap experiment? Yeah what you’re saying is true, this is what all humans do, chase “base” needs. Op is talking about something else. You’re young so you wouldn’t get it probably. Or you can say its cope tbh that people who didn’t experience human needs (saying this in the way you mean human, i think i got what you mean right, human as in the animal human) move to different avenues and attach a higher moralistic and spiritual value to developed attributes. Lucky are few who get this animal human needs sorted (through sheer physicality and genetic (aesthetic) superiority as well as having this so called “calling” (higher meaning to life). Eg: (most base level example to demonstrate my opinion) tom cruise (aesthetically gifted, on top of that he made it his life’s mission to create the greatest action movies ever created, this keeps him going, taking film making to ever so greater extents every single time) - or you can so he’s coping for being short. In all honesty, everything you see is just your reality. This is the beauty of life. There is no inherent meaning. We can believe anything. We can make our own reality. In shirt, we can cope.

 

[A23ghskung]

Yeah, it's called drugs. There's nothing more pleasurable than drugs. Sex pales in comparison. Anyone saying no are just copers. Your whole post is a cope. Take away alcohol from normies and see the world burn to ashes overnight(the real reason drugs are illegal)

Dude if alcohol was banned I’ll tell you what next week there would be a civil war. I’m telling you normies need alcohol to cope despite having a better life than us. They have sex( party with multiple women ) etc. Only thing is for them it’s normal.