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1. The crusaders were able to occupy Egypt and with this the state of Imadeddin Zengi collapsed. In the following years Turks were expelled from Anatolia. This would bring an end to Islamic Civilization. Muslims would still hold foothold In the Hejaz and some parts of Persia but it would eventually decline and Christianity will become the dominant religion in the middle east while the muslims will be like todays Christians in the region.
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2. Muslims make a decisive victory at the battle of Tours. Charles dies in battle and France is subjugated. The Umayyads don't lose power and the caliphate isn't passed on to the Turks. Most of western Europe falls only the Germans and Celts remain as Christian. With both Romes being Islamic Muslims inherit the Roman culture and become the occident themselves and the last Christian states would eventually be lost in the pages of history.
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3. With Tamerlane conquering China an Islamic variation of the Mongol empire dominates Eurasia. China being culturally superior to Turco-Mongols would eventually mean a shift in power towards the Chinese. China being Islamic with high IQ would mean that they will call the shots instead of the Turks. Holding the entire silkroad will give them the power to not be undermined by sea routes. Eventually all of the smaller Asian states will become Muslim or resist China. Founding out that any naval superiority is useless against China the west will conduct their wars in Russia. The whole of Russia will be a warzone. China trying to push in Siberia and eastern Europe while the west is trying to take them out of the Eurasian heartland.
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4. The Military campaigns of Suleyman the lawgiver ends succesfull before he dies. Making the Ottomans push into all of Germany and Italy. France being cucked, they would still be our allies. Spain would be the only capable Christian state. Heavely isolated they would start an exodus to America as the pope once envisioned. While Europe whitnesses a green dawn America will be the final home of Christianity. Being a warrior nation the Germans who recently converted to Islam don't value the French and start raids against them. Having more grey matter and stronger built the Germans will take over as europe's Islamic warriors and subjugate the rest of the Muslims. The society would be similair like that of the visigoths who held a non trinitarian view of Christianity. Russia would collapse at the hands of the Germans.
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6. The Great Turkish war never ends until the Turks are pushed all the way out of Europe and Constantinople is retaken. The heavy toll on lives on both sides leave both sides exhausted. The Turks retreat to the other side of the bosphorus and the Ottomans eventually collapse. The west still having numirical superiority against the Turks Anatolia is retaken and the Turks are expelled. The holy league being Catholic they still hate the French for their Cuckery. France dies at the hands of the Holy Roman Empire and becomes a state of it. Anatolia also being occupied the Germans manage to create a New Super Roman Empire. Every fight they have against the Muslims is no longer on European ground.

The Levant will be the battle field the final Turks have against Europe. Arabs try to sieze this moment and break away from the Turks. No longer having a nation the Turks scatter throughout the globe and their people will be lost in the pages of history. The Muslim Arabs will hold on longer but eventually be destroyed at the hands of Europe. The Shia in Iran will be eaten by Russia.
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7. Baltaci Mehmet doesn't turn out to be a cuck and kills off the Russian army the moment he captures them. Russia not be able to withstand this military collapse The Ottomans Finally gain control of Eurasia. Sweden on the other hand takes most of northern Russia and they eventually colonize Siberia. In this Alternative world They are a stronger more western version of what we know as Russia. Instead of being a land empire they control over the seas and eventually occupying Brittain, America and Canada. Ottomans stay a while in Central Asia until the Persians cause mischief.
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8. With The Ottomans joining ww1 they can't hold on in Gelibolu. The Bri'ish advances and takes over Constantinople, effectivly kicking the Turks out of the war. The Ottoman Empire collapses and what remains becomes a colony of the west. Because food can be shipped to Russia the Communists never find power and Germans and Austrians lose the war in 2 years instead of the 4 that was normally the case. Brittain, France and Russia made good profit of this short war and they would not lose their colonial empires. Muslims being cucked they would all start to see the 'superior' ways of the west and atleast become more liberal and 'open' minded then in todays case. If not they abandon Islam and become moderate Christians. This will mostly happen with women in the Middle East and South East Asia, They clearly see that their men are inferior in every kind of way and the Bri'ish and Fr*nch are simply too handsome in contrast to the deathnic colonial subjects. Being mogged in a colonial empire is a certain death setence for there is no 'border' that keeps your SMV safe. Ethnic men will be in brutal submission for the rest of history.

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1. The crusaders were able to occupy Egypt and with this the state of Imadeddin Zengi collapsed. In the following years Turks were expelled from Anatolia. This would bring an end to Islamic Civilization. Muslims would still hold foothold In the Hejaz and some parts of Persia but it would eventually decline and Christianity will become the dominant religion in the middle east while the muslims will be like todays Christians in the region.
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2. Muslims make a decisive victory at the battle of Tours. Charles dies in battle and France is subjugated. The Umayyads don't lose power and the caliphate isn't passed on to the Turks. Most of western Europe falls only the Germans and Celts remain as Christian. With both Romes being Islamic Muslims inherit the Roman culture and become the occident themselves and the last Christian states would eventually be lost in the pages of history.
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3. With Tamerlane conquering China an Islamic variation of the Mongol empire dominates Eurasia. China being culturally superior to Turco-Mongols would eventually mean a shift in power towards the Chinese. China being Islamic with high IQ would mean that they will call the shots instead of the Turks. Holding the entire silkroad will give them the power to not be undermined by sea routes. Eventually all of the smaller Asian states will become Muslim or resist China. Founding out that any naval superiority is useless against China the west will conduct their wars in Russia. The whole of Russia will be a warzone. China trying to push in Siberia and eastern Europe while the west is trying to take them out of the Eurasian heartland.
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4. The Military campaigns of Suleyman the lawgiver ends succesfull before he dies. Making the Ottomans push into all of Germany and Italy. France being cucked, they would still be our allies. Spain would be the only capable Christian state. Heavely isolated they would start an exodus to America as the pope once envisioned. While Europe whitnesses a green dawn America will be the final home of Christianity. Being a warrior nation the Germans who recently converted to Islam don't value the French and start raids against them. Having more grey matter and stronger built the Germans will take over as europe's Islamic warriors and subjugate the rest of the Muslims. The society would be similair like that of the visigoths who held a non trinitarian view of Christianity. Russia would collapse at the hands of the Germans.
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6. The Great Turkish war never ends until the Turks are pushed all the way out of Europe and Constantinople is retaken. The heavy toll on lives on both sides leave both sides exhausted. The Turks retreat to the other side of the bosphorus and the Ottomans eventually collapse. The west still having numirical superiority against the Turks Anatolia is retaken and the Turks are expelled. The holy league being Catholic they still hate the French for their Cuckery. France dies at the hands of the Holy Roman Empire and becomes a state of it. Anatolia also being occupied the Germans manage to create a New Super Roman Empire. Every fight they have against the Muslims is no longer on European ground.

The Levant will be the battle field the final Turks have against Europe. Arabs try to sieze this moment and break away from the Turks. No longer having a nation the Turks scatter throughout the globe and their people will be lost in the pages of history. The Muslim Arabs will hold on longer but eventually be destroyed at the hands of Europe. The Shia in Iran will be eaten by Russia.
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7. Baltaci Mehmet doesn't turn out to be a cuck and kills off the Russian army the moment he captures them. Russia not be able to withstand this military collapse The Ottomans Finally gain control of Eurasia. Sweden on the other hand takes most of northern Russia and they eventually colonize Siberia. In this Alternative world They are a stronger more western version of what we know as Russia. Instead of being a land empire they control over the seas and eventually occupying Brittain, America and Canada. Ottomans stay a while in Central Asia until the Persians cause mischief.
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8. With The Ottomans joining ww1 they can't hold on in Gelibolu. The Bri'ish advances and takes over Constantinople, effectivly kicking the Turks out of the war. The Ottoman Empire collapses and what remains becomes a colony of the west. Because food can be shipped to Russia the Communists never find power and Germans and Austrians lose the war in 2 years instead of the 4 that was normally the case. Brittain, France and Russia made good profit of this short war and they would not lose their colonial empires. Muslims being cucked they would all start to see the 'superior' ways of the west and atleast become more liberal and 'open' minded then in todays case. If not they abandon Islam and become moderate Christians. This will mostly happen with women in the Middle East and South East Asia, They clearly see that their men are inferior in every kind of way and the Bri'ish and Fr*nch are simply too handsome in contrast to the deathnic colonial subjects. Being mogged in a colonial empire is a certain death setence for there is no 'border' that keeps your SMV safe. Ethnic men will be in brutal submission for the rest of history.

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High iq thread ngl
 
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1. The crusaders were able to occupy Egypt and with this the state of Imadeddin Zengi collapsed. In the following years Turks were expelled from Anatolia. This would bring an end to Islamic Civilization. Muslims would still hold foothold In the Hejaz and some parts of Persia but it would eventually decline and Christianity will become the dominant religion in the middle east while the muslims will be like todays Christians in the region.
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2. Muslims make a decisive victory at the battle of Tours. Charles dies in battle and France is subjugated. The Umayyads don't lose power and the caliphate isn't passed on to the Turks. Most of western Europe falls only the Germans and Celts remain as Christian. With both Romes being Islamic Muslims inherit the Roman culture and become the occident themselves and the last Christian states would eventually be lost in the pages of history.
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3. With Tamerlane conquering China an Islamic variation of the Mongol empire dominates Eurasia. China being culturally superior to Turco-Mongols would eventually mean a shift in power towards the Chinese. China being Islamic with high IQ would mean that they will call the shots instead of the Turks. Holding the entire silkroad will give them the power to not be undermined by sea routes. Eventually all of the smaller Asian states will become Muslim or resist China. Founding out that any naval superiority is useless against China the west will conduct their wars in Russia. The whole of Russia will be a warzone. China trying to push in Siberia and eastern Europe while the west is trying to take them out of the Eurasian heartland.
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4. The Military campaigns of Suleyman the lawgiver ends succesfull before he dies. Making the Ottomans push into all of Germany and Italy. France being cucked, they would still be our allies. Spain would be the only capable Christian state. Heavely isolated they would start an exodus to America as the pope once envisioned. While Europe whitnesses a green dawn America will be the final home of Christianity. Being a warrior nation the Germans who recently converted to Islam don't value the French and start raids against them. Having more grey matter and stronger built the Germans will take over as europe's Islamic warriors and subjugate the rest of the Muslims. The society would be similair like that of the visigoths who held a non trinitarian view of Christianity. Russia would collapse at the hands of the Germans.
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6. The Great Turkish war never ends until the Turks are pushed all the way out of Europe and Constantinople is retaken. The heavy toll on lives on both sides leave both sides exhausted. The Turks retreat to the other side of the bosphorus and the Ottomans eventually collapse. The west still having numirical superiority against the Turks Anatolia is retaken and the Turks are expelled. The holy league being Catholic they still hate the French for their Cuckery. France dies at the hands of the Holy Roman Empire and becomes a state of it. Anatolia also being occupied the Germans manage to create a New Super Roman Empire. Every fight they have against the Muslims is no longer on European ground.

The Levant will be the battle field the final Turks have against Europe. Arabs try to sieze this moment and break away from the Turks. No longer having a nation the Turks scatter throughout the globe and their people will be lost in the pages of history. The Muslim Arabs will hold on longer but eventually be destroyed at the hands of Europe. The Shia in Iran will be eaten by Russia.
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7. Baltaci Mehmet doesn't turn out to be a cuck and kills off the Russian army the moment he captures them. Russia not be able to withstand this military collapse The Ottomans Finally gain control of Eurasia. Sweden on the other hand takes most of northern Russia and they eventually colonize Siberia. In this Alternative world They are a stronger more western version of what we know as Russia. Instead of being a land empire they control over the seas and eventually occupying Brittain, America and Canada. Ottomans stay a while in Central Asia until the Persians cause mischief.
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8. With The Ottomans joining ww1 they can't hold on in Gelibolu. The Bri'ish advances and takes over Constantinople, effectivly kicking the Turks out of the war. The Ottoman Empire collapses and what remains becomes a colony of the west. Because food can be shipped to Russia the Communists never find power and Germans and Austrians lose the war in 2 years instead of the 4 that was normally the case. Brittain, France and Russia made good profit of this short war and they would not lose their colonial empires. Muslims being cucked they would all start to see the 'superior' ways of the west and atleast become more liberal and 'open' minded then in todays case. If not they abandon Islam and become moderate Christians. This will mostly happen with women in the Middle East and South East Asia, They clearly see that their men are inferior in every kind of way and the Bri'ish and Fr*nch are simply too handsome in contrast to the deathnic colonial subjects. Being mogged in a colonial empire is a certain death setence for there is no 'border' that keeps your SMV safe. Ethnic men will be in brutal submission for the rest of history.

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What if Adolf hitler didn’t attack Russia and stopped his territorial expansion after France,also before Pearl Harbor abandoning alliance with japan
 
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What if Adolf hitler didn’t attack Russia and stopped his territorial expansion after France,also before Pearl Harbor abandoning alliance with japan
Germany could be in civilwar. The old garde of the country and the Prussian generalstaff wasn´t quite fond of Nazi ideology. They persecueted Christians quite alot so an monarchist uprising to put the kaiser back or another communist one could have happened.
 
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Germany could be in civilwar. The old garde of the country and the Prussian generalstaff wasn´t quite fond of Nazi ideology. They persecueted Christians quite alot so an monarchist uprising to put the kaiser back or another communist one could have happened.
At that point I think hitler was basically like a prophet to the German people and I think the old guard were fucked, but who knows, I think hitler could have actually been pretty much unbeatable if he was able to get everything he wanted, make peace with zionists, England,
 
At that point I think hitler was basically like a prophet to the German people
Only because they saw socialism as a bigger thread.
old guard were fucked
They where fucked in this timeline. Prussia or the elite is no more.
could have actually been pretty much unbeatable if he was able to get everything he wanted, make peace with zionists, England,
Certainly but if he would is another question. He holded the view that his nation was biologically determined to be at the top. So why should you stop? It doesn't make sense according to his own world view.
 
Every listed scenario
> Turkish/Ottoman
 
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Interesting read good job
 
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Why do I kinda feel like you poured your own frustrations is that last scenario?
 
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Literally the most retarded Hearts of iron 4 brain shit
 
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If alternate universes exist all these possibilities already
 
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Why do I kinda feel like you poured your own frustrations is that last scenario?
Due to this
the Bri'ish and Fr*nch are simply too handsome in contrast to the deathnic colonial subjects.
 
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1. The crusaders were able to occupy Egypt and with this the state of Imadeddin Zengi collapsed. In the following years Turks were expelled from Anatolia. This would bring an end to Islamic Civilization. Muslims would still hold foothold In the Hejaz and some parts of Persia but it would eventually decline and Christianity will become the dominant religion in the middle east while the muslims will be like todays Christians in the region.
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2. Muslims make a decisive victory at the battle of Tours. Charles dies in battle and France is subjugated. The Umayyads don't lose power and the caliphate isn't passed on to the Turks. Most of western Europe falls only the Germans and Celts remain as Christian. With both Romes being Islamic Muslims inherit the Roman culture and become the occident themselves and the last Christian states would eventually be lost in the pages of history.
View attachment 1099445

3. With Tamerlane conquering China an Islamic variation of the Mongol empire dominates Eurasia. China being culturally superior to Turco-Mongols would eventually mean a shift in power towards the Chinese. China being Islamic with high IQ would mean that they will call the shots instead of the Turks. Holding the entire silkroad will give them the power to not be undermined by sea routes. Eventually all of the smaller Asian states will become Muslim or resist China. Founding out that any naval superiority is useless against China the west will conduct their wars in Russia. The whole of Russia will be a warzone. China trying to push in Siberia and eastern Europe while the west is trying to take them out of the Eurasian heartland.
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4. The Military campaigns of Suleyman the lawgiver ends succesfull before he dies. Making the Ottomans push into all of Germany and Italy. France being cucked, they would still be our allies. Spain would be the only capable Christian state. Heavely isolated they would start an exodus to America as the pope once envisioned. While Europe whitnesses a green dawn America will be the final home of Christianity. Being a warrior nation the Germans who recently converted to Islam don't value the French and start raids against them. Having more grey matter and stronger built the Germans will take over as europe's Islamic warriors and subjugate the rest of the Muslims. The society would be similair like that of the visigoths who held a non trinitarian view of Christianity. Russia would collapse at the hands of the Germans.
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6. The Great Turkish war never ends until the Turks are pushed all the way out of Europe and Constantinople is retaken. The heavy toll on lives on both sides leave both sides exhausted. The Turks retreat to the other side of the bosphorus and the Ottomans eventually collapse. The west still having numirical superiority against the Turks Anatolia is retaken and the Turks are expelled. The holy league being Catholic they still hate the French for their Cuckery. France dies at the hands of the Holy Roman Empire and becomes a state of it. Anatolia also being occupied the Germans manage to create a New Super Roman Empire. Every fight they have against the Muslims is no longer on European ground.

The Levant will be the battle field the final Turks have against Europe. Arabs try to sieze this moment and break away from the Turks. No longer having a nation the Turks scatter throughout the globe and their people will be lost in the pages of history. The Muslim Arabs will hold on longer but eventually be destroyed at the hands of Europe. The Shia in Iran will be eaten by Russia.
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7. Baltaci Mehmet doesn't turn out to be a cuck and kills off the Russian army the moment he captures them. Russia not be able to withstand this military collapse The Ottomans Finally gain control of Eurasia. Sweden on the other hand takes most of northern Russia and they eventually colonize Siberia. In this Alternative world They are a stronger more western version of what we know as Russia. Instead of being a land empire they control over the seas and eventually occupying Brittain, America and Canada. Ottomans stay a while in Central Asia until the Persians cause mischief.
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8. With The Ottomans joining ww1 they can't hold on in Gelibolu. The Bri'ish advances and takes over Constantinople, effectivly kicking the Turks out of the war. The Ottoman Empire collapses and what remains becomes a colony of the west. Because food can be shipped to Russia the Communists never find power and Germans and Austrians lose the war in 2 years instead of the 4 that was normally the case. Brittain, France and Russia made good profit of this short war and they would not lose their colonial empires. Muslims being cucked they would all start to see the 'superior' ways of the west and atleast become more liberal and 'open' minded then in todays case. If not they abandon Islam and become moderate Christians. This will mostly happen with women in the Middle East and South East Asia, They clearly see that their men are inferior in every kind of way and the Bri'ish and Fr*nch are simply too handsome in contrast to the deathnic colonial subjects. Being mogged in a colonial empire is a certain death setence for there is no 'border' that keeps your SMV safe. Ethnic men will be in brutal submission for the rest of history.

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Nice thread
 
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1. The crusaders were able to occupy Egypt and with this the state of Imadeddin Zengi collapsed. In the following years Turks were expelled from Anatolia. This would bring an end to Islamic Civilization. Muslims would still hold foothold In the Hejaz and some parts of Persia but it would eventually decline and Christianity will become the dominant religion in the middle east while the muslims will be like todays Christians in the region.
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2. Muslims make a decisive victory at the battle of Tours. Charles dies in battle and France is subjugated. The Umayyads don't lose power and the caliphate isn't passed on to the Turks. Most of western Europe falls only the Germans and Celts remain as Christian. With both Romes being Islamic Muslims inherit the Roman culture and become the occident themselves and the last Christian states would eventually be lost in the pages of history.
View attachment 1099445

3. With Tamerlane conquering China an Islamic variation of the Mongol empire dominates Eurasia. China being culturally superior to Turco-Mongols would eventually mean a shift in power towards the Chinese. China being Islamic with high IQ would mean that they will call the shots instead of the Turks. Holding the entire silkroad will give them the power to not be undermined by sea routes. Eventually all of the smaller Asian states will become Muslim or resist China. Founding out that any naval superiority is useless against China the west will conduct their wars in Russia. The whole of Russia will be a warzone. China trying to push in Siberia and eastern Europe while the west is trying to take them out of the Eurasian heartland.
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4. The Military campaigns of Suleyman the lawgiver ends succesfull before he dies. Making the Ottomans push into all of Germany and Italy. France being cucked, they would still be our allies. Spain would be the only capable Christian state. Heavely isolated they would start an exodus to America as the pope once envisioned. While Europe whitnesses a green dawn America will be the final home of Christianity. Being a warrior nation the Germans who recently converted to Islam don't value the French and start raids against them. Having more grey matter and stronger built the Germans will take over as europe's Islamic warriors and subjugate the rest of the Muslims. The society would be similair like that of the visigoths who held a non trinitarian view of Christianity. Russia would collapse at the hands of the Germans.
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6. The Great Turkish war never ends until the Turks are pushed all the way out of Europe and Constantinople is retaken. The heavy toll on lives on both sides leave both sides exhausted. The Turks retreat to the other side of the bosphorus and the Ottomans eventually collapse. The west still having numirical superiority against the Turks Anatolia is retaken and the Turks are expelled. The holy league being Catholic they still hate the French for their Cuckery. France dies at the hands of the Holy Roman Empire and becomes a state of it. Anatolia also being occupied the Germans manage to create a New Super Roman Empire. Every fight they have against the Muslims is no longer on European ground.

The Levant will be the battle field the final Turks have against Europe. Arabs try to sieze this moment and break away from the Turks. No longer having a nation the Turks scatter throughout the globe and their people will be lost in the pages of history. The Muslim Arabs will hold on longer but eventually be destroyed at the hands of Europe. The Shia in Iran will be eaten by Russia.
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7. Baltaci Mehmet doesn't turn out to be a cuck and kills off the Russian army the moment he captures them. Russia not be able to withstand this military collapse The Ottomans Finally gain control of Eurasia. Sweden on the other hand takes most of northern Russia and they eventually colonize Siberia. In this Alternative world They are a stronger more western version of what we know as Russia. Instead of being a land empire they control over the seas and eventually occupying Brittain, America and Canada. Ottomans stay a while in Central Asia until the Persians cause mischief.
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8. With The Ottomans joining ww1 they can't hold on in Gelibolu. The Bri'ish advances and takes over Constantinople, effectivly kicking the Turks out of the war. The Ottoman Empire collapses and what remains becomes a colony of the west. Because food can be shipped to Russia the Communists never find power and Germans and Austrians lose the war in 2 years instead of the 4 that was normally the case. Brittain, France and Russia made good profit of this short war and they would not lose their colonial empires. Muslims being cucked they would all start to see the 'superior' ways of the west and atleast become more liberal and 'open' minded then in todays case. If not they abandon Islam and become moderate Christians. This will mostly happen with women in the Middle East and South East Asia, They clearly see that their men are inferior in every kind of way and the Bri'ish and Fr*nch are simply too handsome in contrast to the deathnic colonial subjects. Being mogged in a colonial empire is a certain death setence for there is no 'border' that keeps your SMV safe. Ethnic men will be in brutal submission for the rest of history.

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Wolfenstein New collosus is ideal tbh
 
didn´t hear of it man. what´s it about?
Its a Great video game Franchise
New order, old Blood, New collosus, enter castle Wolfenstein, OG Wolfenstein and so on...

Nazis taking over The world and finding ancient jew technology .
Basically they use these anciets vaults of tech to build mechs and enslave The world.
 
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Its a Great video game Franchise
New order, old Blood, New collosus, enter castle Wolfenstein, OG Wolfenstein and so on...

Nazis taking over The world and finding ancient jew technology .
Basically they use these anciets vaults of tech to build mechs and enslave The world.
Its linked to doom universe

I love esoteria and ancient aliens type of games. The mysteries of The athlantis and The old orders before jews took over And frauded The history
 
Its a Great video game Franchise
New order, old Blood, New collosus, enter castle Wolfenstein, OG Wolfenstein and so on...

Nazis taking over The world and finding ancient jew technology .
Basically they use these anciets vaults of tech to build mechs and enslave The world.
Its a Great video game Franchise
New order, old Blood, New collosus, enter castle Wolfenstein, OG Wolfenstein and so on...

Nazis taking over The world and finding ancient jew technology .
Basically they use these anciets vaults of tech to build mechs and enslave The world.
like man in high castle n shit
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What if Adolf hitler didn’t attack Russia and stopped his territorial expansion after France,also before Pearl Harbor abandoning alliance with japan
It is impossible lmao
 
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What if Europe remained pagan ?
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As far as i know
the last stand for Roman Pagans was the battle of Frigidus in 394


Constantine never made Rome Christian
Only ended the persecutions on them
 
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Egypt and the Levant would still be Christian. They probably would cede from Rome, form a Christian Empire and probably conquer Europe. The richest province in the Empire itself was Egypt and also the most irredentist. The population their where already one of the first who became Christian.


Instead of fighting the byzantines our Islamic history would spend on fighting the coptic forces of Egypt, Anatolia and the rest of Europe that was under their control. Egypt like in our timeline would fall early on, the coptized states in Europe would stay until this day
 
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Egypt and the Levant would still be Christian. They probably would cede from Rome, form a Christian Empire and probably conquer Europe. The richest province in the Empire itself was Egypt and also the most irredentist. The population their where already one of the first who became Christian.


Instead of fighting the byzantines our Islamic history would spend on fighting the coptic forces of Egypt, Anatolia and the rest of Europe that was under their control. Egypt like in our timeline would fall early on, the coptized states in Europe would stay until this day

The Christians of Egypt/Levant conquering europe ?
Sorry but they had reputations of shitty fighters
Romans called them effeminate and the legions of this places were very meh

The best legions were frome Iberia, Illyria, Gaul, Britain, Africa
 
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What if Jughurta was never betrayed :feelswhy::feelswhy:
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Idk about him
He was the king of Numidia (ancestor state of Algeria)
He was beating the Romans on the field until his brother betrayed him and delivered him to Rome
 
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The Christians of Egypt/Levant conquering europe ?
Sorry but they had reputations of shitty fighters
The oriental parts of Rome where irredentist and could organize themselves as it's proven in history

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No matter what your soldiers are if you can't organize you lose. Egypt and Levant where the first Christians. Rome chosing to remain pagan would fuel their irredentism and eventually cede from them.
And why would they fight for Rome instead of Carthage? To Tunus, formely carthage where right after Egypt in adopting Christianity.
And why would they not fight for Gaul?
 
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The oriental parts of Rome where irredentist and alle to organize themselves.

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No matter what your soldiers are if you can't organize you lose. Egypt and Levant where the first Christians. Rome chosing to remain pagan would fuel their irredentism and eventually cede from them.

And why would they fight for Rome instead of Carthage? To and Tunus, formerly carthage where right after Egypt in adopting Christianity.

And why would they not fight for Gaul?
Gaul and Africa were Romanized
They were very active legions

Africa was specialized in elite cavalry and accompagned always the legions
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He was the king of Numidia (ancestor state of Algeria)
He was beating the Romans on the field until his brother betrayed him and delivered him to Rome
Why did his Brother betray him. Jfl what a cuck
 
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Why did his Brother betray him. Jfl what a cuck
I dont know
What a fucking retard


Just checked up
It was his step father
So probably angry he was destroying his daughter pussy everynight
 
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1. The crusaders were able to occupy Egypt and with this the state of Imadeddin Zengi collapsed. In the following years Turks were expelled from Anatolia. This would bring an end to Islamic Civilization. Muslims would still hold foothold In the Hejaz and some parts of Persia but it would eventually decline and Christianity will become the dominant religion in the middle east while the muslims will be like todays Christians in the region.
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2. Muslims make a decisive victory at the battle of Tours. Charles dies in battle and France is subjugated. The Umayyads don't lose power and the caliphate isn't passed on to the Turks. Most of western Europe falls only the Germans and Celts remain as Christian. With both Romes being Islamic Muslims inherit the Roman culture and become the occident themselves and the last Christian states would eventually be lost in the pages of history.
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3. With Tamerlane conquering China an Islamic variation of the Mongol empire dominates Eurasia. China being culturally superior to Turco-Mongols would eventually mean a shift in power towards the Chinese. China being Islamic with high IQ would mean that they will call the shots instead of the Turks. Holding the entire silkroad will give them the power to not be undermined by sea routes. Eventually all of the smaller Asian states will become Muslim or resist China. Founding out that any naval superiority is useless against China the west will conduct their wars in Russia. The whole of Russia will be a warzone. China trying to push in Siberia and eastern Europe while the west is trying to take them out of the Eurasian heartland.
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4. The Military campaigns of Suleyman the lawgiver ends succesfull before he dies. Making the Ottomans push into all of Germany and Italy. France being cucked, they would still be our allies. Spain would be the only capable Christian state. Heavely isolated they would start an exodus to America as the pope once envisioned. While Europe whitnesses a green dawn America will be the final home of Christianity. Being a warrior nation the Germans who recently converted to Islam don't value the French and start raids against them. Having more grey matter and stronger built the Germans will take over as europe's Islamic warriors and subjugate the rest of the Muslims. The society would be similair like that of the visigoths who held a non trinitarian view of Christianity. Russia would collapse at the hands of the Germans.
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6. The Great Turkish war never ends until the Turks are pushed all the way out of Europe and Constantinople is retaken. The heavy toll on lives on both sides leave both sides exhausted. The Turks retreat to the other side of the bosphorus and the Ottomans eventually collapse. The west still having numirical superiority against the Turks Anatolia is retaken and the Turks are expelled. The holy league being Catholic they still hate the French for their Cuckery. France dies at the hands of the Holy Roman Empire and becomes a state of it. Anatolia also being occupied the Germans manage to create a New Super Roman Empire. Every fight they have against the Muslims is no longer on European ground.

The Levant will be the battle field the final Turks have against Europe. Arabs try to sieze this moment and break away from the Turks. No longer having a nation the Turks scatter throughout the globe and their people will be lost in the pages of history. The Muslim Arabs will hold on longer but eventually be destroyed at the hands of Europe. The Shia in Iran will be eaten by Russia.
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7. Baltaci Mehmet doesn't turn out to be a cuck and kills off the Russian army the moment he captures them. Russia not be able to withstand this military collapse The Ottomans Finally gain control of Eurasia. Sweden on the other hand takes most of northern Russia and they eventually colonize Siberia. In this Alternative world They are a stronger more western version of what we know as Russia. Instead of being a land empire they control over the seas and eventually occupying Brittain, America and Canada. Ottomans stay a while in Central Asia until the Persians cause mischief.
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8. With The Ottomans joining ww1 they can't hold on in Gelibolu. The Bri'ish advances and takes over Constantinople, effectivly kicking the Turks out of the war. The Ottoman Empire collapses and what remains becomes a colony of the west. Because food can be shipped to Russia the Communists never find power and Germans and Austrians lose the war in 2 years instead of the 4 that was normally the case. Brittain, France and Russia made good profit of this short war and they would not lose their colonial empires. Muslims being cucked they would all start to see the 'superior' ways of the west and atleast become more liberal and 'open' minded then in todays case. If not they abandon Islam and become moderate Christians. This will mostly happen with women in the Middle East and South East Asia, They clearly see that their men are inferior in every kind of way and the Bri'ish and Fr*nch are simply too handsome in contrast to the deathnic colonial subjects. Being mogged in a colonial empire is a certain death setence for there is no 'border' that keeps your SMV safe. Ethnic men will be in brutal submission for the rest of history.

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with all due respect sir dn rd
 
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Gaul and Africa were Romanized
They were very active legions

Africa was specialized in elite cavalry and accompagned always the legions
To what extend where they romanized?
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Except for Italy the economy itself was in the eastern parts of the Empire. Egypt itself fed the whole Empire. In the case they didn't their was always food scarcity.
 
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To what extend where they romanized?
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Except for Italy the economy itself was in the eastern parts of the Empire. Egypt itself fed the whole Empire. In the case they didn't their was always food scarcity.
Culture/Religion

But you could say we can influenced the hellenistic pantheon


Also africa was poor yes but very fertile
It was also the brainbasket of Rome
 
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To what extend where they romanized?
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Except for Italy the economy itself was in the eastern parts of the Empire. Egypt itself fed the whole Empire. In the case they didn't their was always food scarcity.
Same for Gaul
Where it was the main recruitment of legionnaires
 
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Culture/Religion

But you could say we can influenced the hellenistic pantheon


Also africa was poor yes but very fertile
It was also the brainbasket of Rome
And that's what Rome did to keep the population in check. One of their methods was letting whatever pagan Idol in their pantheon. until the Orient and parts of Africa converted to Christianity they could control the population. Irredentist movements converted to Christianity for it put them and their countries in odds with Rome. Like in Egypt. Rome couldnt include them in their pantheon to control them imo. The onlything they could do was give them Religious freedom and after a while accepted Christianity not because they wanted it, imo they couldn't do otherwise. In the case they remained pagan the Christians would organise and expel the Romans. Egypt was probably the biggest contender for this job. The economy, location, population force, unifying Christian religion all provided them what was needed the most to succeed. All it would take was one military collapse and they would be independent if not they would've fought their own war against Rome. Paganism won't work as a force if the population is monotheistic.
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Take a look at the monastic communities and where it expended from. Almost all from Egypt. There is a clear reason for this.

Also africa was poor yes but very fertile
It was also the brainbasket of Rome
But what of it? If Rome remained pagan it doesn't guarantee that Africa would? Like Egypt, Tunus was already Christian early. Libya was depended on Egypt and Tunus
Same for Gaul
Where it was the main recruitment of legionnaires
What would it do? Gaul is not beside Egypt so they could stop them. They would have to march or go with a ship.
 
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And that's what Rome did to keep the population in check. One of their methods was letting whatever pagan Idol in their pantheon. until the Orient and parts of Africa converted to Christianity they could control the population. Irredentist movements converted to Christianity for it put them and their countries in odds with Rome. Like in Egypt. Rome couldnt include them in their pantheon to control them imo. The onlything they could do was give them Religious freedom and after a while accepted Christianity not because they wanted it, imo they couldn't do otherwise. In the case they remained pagan the Christians would organise and expel the Romans. Egypt was probably the biggest contender for this job. The economy, location, population force, unifying Christian religion all provided them what was needed the most to succeed. All it would take was one military collapse and they would be independent if not they would've fought their own war against Rome. Paganism won't work as a force if the population is monotheistic.
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Take a look at the monastic communities and where it expended from. Almost all from Egypt. There is a clear reason for this.


But what of it? If Rome remained pagan it doesn't guarantee that Africa would? Like Egypt, Tunus was already Christian early. Libya was depended on Egypt and Tunus

What would it do? Gaul is not beside Egypt so they could stop them. They would have to march or go with a ship.
When i say gaul or africa i say the roman provinces
 
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And that's what Rome did to keep the population in check. One of their methods was letting whatever pagan Idol in their pantheon. until the Orient and parts of Africa converted to Christianity they could control the population. Irredentist movements converted to Christianity for it put them and their countries in odds with Rome. Like in Egypt. Rome couldnt include them in their pantheon to control them imo. The onlything they could do was give them Religious freedom and after a while accepted Christianity not because they wanted it, imo they couldn't do otherwise. In the case they remained pagan the Christians would organise and expel the Romans. Egypt was probably the biggest contender for this job. The economy, location, population force, unifying Christian religion all provided them what was needed the most to succeed. All it would take was one military collapse and they would be independent if not they would've fought their own war against Rome. Paganism won't work as a force if the population is monotheistic.
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Take a look at the monastic communities and where it expended from. Almost all from Egypt. There is a clear reason for this.


But what of it? If Rome remained pagan it doesn't guarantee that Africa would? Like Egypt, Tunus was already Christian early. Libya was depended on Egypt and Tunus

What would it do? Gaul is not beside Egypt so they could stop them. They would have to march or go with a ship.
Im saying that Poseidon/Neptune, the Titan Atlas and Medusas were influenced/originated in the Berber/Amazigh mythology
 
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Im saying that Poseidon/Neptune, the Titan Atlas and Medusas were influenced/originated in the Berber/Amazigh mythology
All pagan idols are similar. One part might be from there, other part from ancient Egypt or Greece.
 
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All pagan idols are similar. One part might be from there, other part from ancient Egypt or Greece.
No
There pas à Clear Indo-European pantheon
Look it up
But Romans did ended up adopting a shit ton of gods
 
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No
There pas à Clear Indo-European pantheon
Look it up
But Romans did ended up adopting a shit ton of gods
Yea I meant that the elements that are associated with idols is all the same. In the end it could indeed come from everywhere, none the less it all works in the same way. Romans having 1 or 1000 idols doesn't matter for them because in principle it's the same.
 
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