AMA + Update on upcoming threads

[Zagro]

so your a hypocrite, why are you not allowing these guys to change their genes, theres legit 0 sides to anything
hgh can let you reach 9 feet.
look at the manlet stacy slayer,
probably healthier than me in all ways possible,
but i grew to 184 and he sspending thousands to even approach 10cm under me.
theres no genetic limit right?

so why does he struggle to even reach 175 cm whilst i did fuck all eating candy reaching 184

“I’m born tall, so everyone spending effort in order to reach taller stature is inferior to me and stupid, because i was born tall.”

Very interesting dude, very interesting

 

[Pay]

Actually helps though, nobody really messes with you as you gain male respect which means better status.

Status is helpful for getting chicks, so it helps innit. This is what looksmaxxing is, many different small steps and choices resulting in you improving yourself

Just like how polypharmacy is almost always needed for heightmaxxing, as you wont get far with only one step right? Dyeing your eyebrows doesn’t quite necessarily make you pull chicks

my bone clavicles are wider than yours, gym for decades and youll never have as wide shoulders than me

 

[Pay]

WHO told you that I’m 175 lol.

Nice lie ur 174

 

[Zagro]

my bone clavicles are wider than yours, gym for decades and youll never have as wide shoulders than me

What is your bidelt?

 

[Zagro]

20IU Dose I guess
Btw how tall?

Height is still the same

Dosage will be around 20-24ius, just assessing if an higher dosage would benefit me enough

 

[Pay]

“I’m born tall, so everyone spending effort in order to reach taller stature is inferior to me and stupid, because i was born tall.”

Very interesting dude, very interesting

Nice you just admitted it all to me.
i was born tall, due to genetics,
you just said theres no genetic limit.
so why o why when you guys struggle to even reach my height did i become 184.

yall are just approaching the genetic limit quicker, not "becoming taller"

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

you mog not even the ganges river which shows your reflection buddy boyo.
"i grew 10 cm" translated "I reached my genetic limit faster and will soon stop growing, then revert to the same cope that i did it too late in my life"

Lmfao pah was at 167cm.

And no why would I cope with being too late? I know even if I’d stop growing today that I did the best. I can cope with that lol.

 

[Pay]

Height is still the same

Dosage will be around 20-24ius, just assessing if an higher dosage would benefit me enough

But theres no height limit just do 3000 ius everyday, anything is possible bro.
So your admitting its legit impossible for you to reach over 2meters, cough cough genetic limit

 

[Pay]

Lmfao pah was at 167cm.

And no why would I cope with being too late? I know even if I’d stop growing today that I did the best. I can cope with that lol.

exactly ur 167, legit hobbit

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

Nice you just admitted it all to me.
i was born tall, due to genetics,
you just said theres no genetic limit.
so why o why when you guys struggle to even reach my height did i become 184.

yall are just approaching the genetic limit quicker, not "becoming taller"

lol right because one can grow 10cm a month.

Bs take

 

[Pay]

Lmfao pah was at 167cm.

And no why would I cope with being too late? I know even if I’d stop growing today that I did the best. I can cope with that lol.

"i wasted my money to reach my genetic limit quicker"

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

exactly ur 167, legit hobbit

js trolling atp

 

[Pay]

lol right because one can grow 10cm a month.

Bs take

you grown 10 cm every month.
so you were like 1 meter tall 150 days ago

 

[Zagro]

do you use any oral steroids?

Will be trying out stanozolol soon, but i have used anavar and anadrol which were both decent, anavar is very mild though the differences aren’t significant

Will also try injectable orals soon and mtren

 

[Pay]

Will be trying out stanozolol soon, but i have used anavar and anadrol which were both decent, anavar is very mild though the differences aren’t significant

Will also try injectable orals soon and mtren

allat just to have a 3 inch penis

 

[Zagro]

js trolling atp

Yeah you can start ignoring whenever you’d like to, it seems as if he’s deprived of attention so he seeks it everywhere he goes, even a forum

 

[choppedpajeet]

so with all ur currently knowledge how would one maximise his height during puberty or maybe before. Do you have a thread on this?

 

[Zagro]

so with all ur currently knowledge how would one maximise his height during puberty or maybe before. Do you have a thread on this?

There’s so many things you can do, and yes i will be making a thread on this soon

Playing around with the big three:

1. Androgens
2. GH-IGF-1 axis
3. Estrogen

Will always be the baseline of heightmaxxing, so try to design your stack based on this and if it doesn’t satisfy you, there are many other pathways you can interfere with to your own advantage

 

[choppedpajeet]

There’s so many things you can do, and yes i will be making a thread on this soon

Playing around with the big three:

1. Androgens
2. GH-IGF-1 axis
3. Estrogen

Will always be the baseline of heightmaxxing, so try to design your stack based on this and if it doesn’t satisfy you, there are many other pathways you can interfere with to your own advantage

and how exactly have you acquired all this knowledge just by reading studies? cuz @ihatemySOST had created a thread debunking many studies. I am getting a bone age scan to see my growth plates and tanner age coud i send u dm after i get it?

 

[Genio]

If you’re hGH deficient the administration of rhGH is literally guaranteed to work, that’s proven by literature as well and even retards would agree to this.

It’s unlikely that you’re GHD as it usually occurs with multiple other hormonal deficiencies such as hypogonadism, as it’s caused by a pituitary abnormality. So the chances of your plates being fused earlier on is also unlikely if you’re GHD, so yours might be open.

Thread '@Ahmed88 | Intellectually Disabled or Trolling?'
https://looksmax.org/threads/ahmed88-intellectually-disabled-or-trolling.1889868/

I will answer Ahmed once again soon.

Height is genetic, but genetics aren’t something you cant change pharmaceutically, there’s no “genetic height”

Do you think it is accurate to say there is a Genetic Limit but you wouldn't have been able to reach it without Exogenous HGH?

Maybe I am uninformed, but Chondrocyte's can divide to a set amount of time's before maturity no? would appreciate any information on the topic.

 

[ghost!]

what would be the best first cycle for pure muscle growth in your opinion.

 

[NoMercy.]

Although you always warn not to take aromatizing androgens while still having your growth plates open, some of your past stacks included aromatizing AAS like test e. Why is that?
Also , doesn,t this study suggest that ais like letrozole in this case may actually be capable of inhibiting part of the local estrogen produced by the chondrocytes?

Locally produced estrogen promotes fetal rat metatarsal bone growth; an effect mediated through increased chondrocyte proliferation and decreased apoptosis - PubMed

The importance of estrogens for the regulation of longitudinal bone growth is unequivocal. However, any local effect of estrogens in growth plate cartilage has been debated. Recently, several enzymes essential for estrogen synthesis were shown to be expressed in rat growth plate chondrocytes...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[stigmaboy]

lol its over for genetics discussions, we're all just chimps playing with hormones now. @Zagro so u saying finasteride is a gene therapy then?

 

[jj1yden]

Ask me anything here as then i wouldn’t have to repeat myself to others in threads and dms as much, you can ask whatever even personal experiences.

Also any questions about my upcoming threads; rhGH thread update, aromatase inhibitors thread, FGFR inhibitors thread and may include and finish my HDACi threads, please ask them and let me know your suggestions

What AIs would you recommend for heightmaxxing (15) and what GHRH/GHRPs would you recommend while on HGH and the dosage ty. If you were to be prepubescent again, what would you do differently to maximize height.

 

[Zagro]

and how exactly have you acquired all this knowledge just by reading studies? cuz @ihatemySOST had created a thread debunking many studies. I am getting a bone age scan to see my growth plates and tanner age coud i send u dm after i get it?

Books, studies, extrapolations

Saif is known to have rather distinct opinions on everything, no hate or anything but he does tend to cherry-pick studies and nit-pick at things, can respond to those threads but they’re old anyway and his opinions have probably changed

Sure you can send them

 

[Zagro]

Do you think it is accurate to say there is a Genetic Limit but you wouldn't have been able to reach it without Exogenous HGH?

Maybe I am uninformed, but Chondrocyte's can divide to a set amount of time's before maturity no? would appreciate any information on the topic.

There’s no genetic limit, exogenous hGH would change that “genetic” limit

Only the germinal zone is finite, and there’s also stem cells that can renew which would mean more growth, too many shit you can influence

 

[Zagro]

Although you always warn not to take aromatizing androgens while still having your growth plates open, some of your past stacks included aromatizing AAS like test e. Why is that?
Also , doesn,t this study suggest that ais like letrozole in this case may actually be capable of inhibiting part of the local estrogen produced by the chondrocytes?

Locally produced estrogen promotes fetal rat metatarsal bone growth; an effect mediated through increased chondrocyte proliferation and decreased apoptosis - PubMed

The importance of estrogens for the regulation of longitudinal bone growth is unequivocal. However, any local effect of estrogens in growth plate cartilage has been debated. Recently, several enzymes essential for estrogen synthesis were shown to be expressed in rat growth plate chondrocytes...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It’s called “past” stacks for a reason innit.

“The aromatase inhibitor letrozole (1 microM) and the pure estrogen receptor antagonist”

“The human chondrocyte-like cell line HCS-2/8 was used to study estrogen effects on cell proliferation”

Did i ever say letrozole doesn’t work in chondrocytes? No, i said it cant diffuse through the cartilaginous tissue efficiently. They used a cell line, directly the cells themselves + estrogen receptor antagonist, which literally makes the letrozolen useless as without the receptor the ligand; estrogen cant really work.

 

[Zagro]

lol its over for genetics discussions, we're all just chimps playing with hormones now. @Zagro so u saying finasteride is a gene therapy then?

There’s a reason why people don’t endorse the usage of 5ar inhibitors in your teenage years, because you can rape your DHT levels

You wanna end up with a micropenis? That would change your predetermined genetic penile length no? It’s all genetic so your dick size shouldn’t change

 

[Zagro]

What AIs would you recommend for heightmaxxing (15) and what GHRH/GHRPs would you recommend while on HGH and the dosage ty. If you were to be prepubescent again, what would you do differently to maximize height.

Letrozole as an aromatase inhibitor in a stack, and GHRP-2 seems to be the most potent by dosage

I would do everything differently, literally everything

 

[FATPU$$YHUNTER]

Yo, @Zagro
currently on test, tren, t3/t4, letrozole, will be adding in hgh and lantus soon

The plan is to:
wake up
pin 24iu HGH
fasted cardio for 1 hour
pin lantus
Eat meal 1 of the day (high protein, high carbs) + some eggs for more amino acids

Is there anything I should do differently to maximize the value of the hgh and lantus?

 

[Zagro]

Yo, @Zagro
currently on test, tren, t3/t4, letrozole, will be adding in hgh and lantus soon

The plan is to:
wake up
pin 24iu HGH
fasted cardio for 1 hour
pin lantus
Eat meal 1 of the day (high protein, high carbs) + some eggs for more amino acids

Is there anything I should do differently to maximize the value of the hgh and lantus?

I will dm you, as you’re kinda doing things the wrong way

 

[joe.bartolozzi]

Did any research on erdafitinib?

 

[hamiwts]

Ask me anything here as then i wouldn’t have to repeat myself to others in threads and dms as much, you can ask whatever even personal experiences.

Also any questions about my upcoming threads; rhGH thread update, aromatase inhibitors thread, FGFR inhibitors thread and may include and finish my HDACi threads, please ask them and let me know your suggestions

If an AI and Serm are in place do you think AAS will still significantly reduce height growth potential? I’ve heard points saying yes and no.

 

[theübermenschboy]

None if you’re planning to use them by themselves, letrozole is better as an aromatase inhibitor though

What should they be used with then? To achieve maximum delay in epiphyseal ossification?

 

[ihatemySOST]

Books, studies, extrapolations

Saif is known to have rather distinct opinions on everything, no hate or anything but he does tend to cherry-pick studies and nit-pick at things, can respond to those threads but they’re old anyway and his opinions have probably changed

Sure you can send them

in hgh post? yes i admit i cheery picked , in roids post? no i shared all the studies

 

[ihatemySOST]

in hgh post? yes i admit i cheery picked , in roids post? no i shared all the studies

in hgh post? yes i admit i cheery picked , in roids post? no i shared all the studies

But even in the growth hormone post, it doesn't matter if you cherry-pick or not, because the final conclusion was absolutely correct (that if you take a small dose you may risk a shorter height, if you take a medium dose the effect is neutral, and a large dose a noticeable but slight increase in final height).

 

[Zagro]

But even in the growth hormone post, it doesn't matter if you cherry-pick or not, because the final conclusion was absolutely correct (that if you take a small dose you may risk a shorter height, if you take a medium dose the effect is neutral, and a large dose a noticeable but slight increase in final height).

I completely agree with this but the large dose depends on the actual dose and at what age/bone age the person begins at

 

[JporkFoid]

I completely agree with this but the large dose depends on the actual dose and at what age/bone age the person begins at

you should do a coaching service i would buy it

 

[infrainfra]

Ask me anything here as then i wouldn’t have to repeat myself to others in threads and dms as much, you can ask whatever even personal experiences.

Also any questions about my upcoming threads; rhGH thread update, aromatase inhibitors thread, FGFR inhibitors thread and may include and finish my HDACi threads, please ask them and let me know your suggestions

1 What would be the MINIMUM of somatropin xMg/kg a day as a healthy normal teenager (16-18yo) to actually grow quick and past your „genetic” limit?

2 Is it better to pin rhGH in the morning or pre-bed?

3 should we be really using something for blood sugar on hgh? berberine blunts mTOR and metmorfin forces glucose into the cells (bad). any other must- have ancillaries on hgh other than t4?

4 must have ancillaries on tren ?

5 are u playing with methylation as of now ?

i sent u my discord in pms

 

[Vass]

quite litteraly does you fucking moron, unless you get a tumour in your pineal gland

This is a shit thread, theres no such thing as a genetic limit for height

If the "limit" is conditional then it's not a limit. If you can pass it it's not a limit. Do you know what a fucking limit is, it means it's not possible to pass it. This is the stupidest statement ever, it's like saying "the human speed limit is xmph except for those who can run more than xmph"

For example in nature organisms physically can't reach beyond a certain size because they'll overheat and collapse on their own bones. That is a limit, it is impossible to go beyond that.

And there is no number "written" on your genes that is not how it works, genes create processes that regulate growth which still have a huge huge influence on your final height but it's not literally "written". And because these are processes and not strict numbers there are things you can do to influence these processes.

 

[molecule010]

how important is it to rape your endogenous T alongside your e2? how much more height benefit would you see from removing a 100mg test base from a stack of hgh, letro, and tren, are there any detrimental sides from raping T like having no DHT which is crucial for development (assuming 16 and under). and after 0.10mg/kg of hgh is it better to add in GHS rather than upping the hgh dose if so which one and how do you space it out with hgh? and you've said that androgens dont age bones in a 0 E2 state does that still apply if im not raping ERa with a SERD? is tamoxefin a good option if i dont have access to a serd? and what dosage of tren would you recommend i heard too high of an androgenic load will close plates, what was your past experience with all your stacks especially the most recent one with 1.2g test and 800mg tren, have you experienced any masculanization? you didnt check my discord pm we can talk there

 

[dogiu21]

I will dm you, as you’re kinda doing things the wrong way

Can you accept me on discord i have some questions

 

[Zagro]

Can you accept me on discord i have some questions

Dude i made this thread to answer questions here so i don’t have to answer them in dms

 

[Zagro]

you should do a coaching service i would buy it

I already do and have been for a long time

1 What would be the MINIMUM of somatropin xMg/kg a day as a healthy normal teenager (16-18yo) to actually grow quick and past your „genetic” limit?

2 Is it better to pin rhGH in the morning or pre-bed?

3 should we be really using something for blood sugar on hgh? berberine blunts mTOR and metmorfin forces glucose into the cells (bad). any other must- have ancillaries on hgh other than t4?

4 must have ancillaries on tren ?

5 are u playing with methylation as of now ?

i sent u my discord in pms

1. 0.07mg/kg and above

2. Pre-bed

3. Insulin sensitivity is really important so we do have to use something, i don’t think berberine is that bad, maybe dihydroberberine and retatrutide. Empagliflozin seems interesting but have to look more into it

4. Beta-blockers are a MUST have, then the usuals and a statin should not be overlooked, and memantine

5. Yeah i have been looking into it and might buy that injectable beginning with “d” if ykwim

 

[dogiu21]

Dude i made this thread to answer questions here so i don’t have to answer them in dms

I’m 17, if i partially inhibit fgfr3 and estrogen and than use a gh will i just grow

 

[IbalmeHponeMin]

Just out of curiosity since my plates r already closed
would hgh have worked for me -a hgh sufficient short person-?

Why HGH is cope and will NOT work for you!!!! (HGH USERS GTFIH!!!)

A lot of People continue to believe that healthy children who lack growth hormone deficiency will experience height increases through HGH injections. It won’t. Why? Let’s get into this 1. How Growth Hormone Actually Works 2. What the Studies ACTUALLY Show 3. Why HGH does NOT work...

looksmax.org

Regarding this thread that shows that with hgh you cant surpass your genetical height but just reach the genetical height.

13479 of post for this bs question huh?

 

[Glorious King]

could you name all the softmaxes you've done

and rank them in order


thanks

I still.didnt get an answer yo

 

[Zagro]

I’m 17, if i partially inhibit fgfr3 and estrogen and than use a gh will i just grow

You will grow but this ain’t really an ideal stack tbh

I still.didnt get an answer yo

I haven’t really done much softmaxxing, but i mean using roids to improve physique, get lean and it changing my mindset, this was the best decision I’ve made

Other than that DIY teeth whitening is decent, growing lashes and eyebrows was really important and grooming them

Anything else is pretty much useless, will do DIY fat dissolvers, DIY PCL threads and DIY botox this summer and i think those are the best softmaxxes other than getting lean

 

[dogiu21]

You will grow but this ain’t really an ideal stack tbh


I haven’t really done much softmaxxing, but i mean using roids to improve physique, get lean and it changing my mindset, this was the best decision I’ve made

Other than that DIY teeth whitening is decent, growing lashes and eyebrows was really important and grooming them

Anything else is pretty much useless, will do DIY fat dissolvers, DIY PCL threads and DIY botox this summer and i think those are the best softmaxxes other than getting lean

Can you give me an idea of what you would do in a similar situation

 

[vroom]

I'm 18.5 years old
I've been on HGH for 10 weeks now. I started at 2iu daily and slowly gone up to 8iu daily (Been on 8iu for 3 weeks).

I've been on 0.5mg EOD arimidex since mid February.

I've gone from 179.5 to 180.5 cm evening height. I think this is likely just from disk hydration but I don't look bloated so not sure.

My recent bloodwork:
Igf1: 673 ng/ml
Total T: 37.8 nmol/L
Free T: 876 pmol/L
E2: 28 pg/ml (Might be incorrect because the last time I checked my E2 I did a normal test and an LCMS test from the same sample. Normal one showed 35 pg/mL but LCMS showed 19.8 pg/ml)

I increased arimidex to 1mg EOD recently.
Should I stop the cope or increase dose?
Also what do you think of infigratinib when plates are near fusion?