An issue I've noticed with hypergamy

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I'll just explain my thoughts below.

Hypergamy is the result of women attempting to live up to unrealistic social expectations placed upon them by society. Society prefers people to date assortively, this means to date within your own league, however, when a woman fails to achieve her goals she is more likely to date hypergamously as a sort of compensatory mechanism. Our economy is dogshit and there is an overproduction of elites (as explained by Peter Turchin), this is the cause of hypergamy -- women being told their whole lives to study for a job they will never achieve. The gyneocentric feminism girlboss narrative is a lie designed to hide how abysmal modern life is. In the developed world, rent is unaffordable, wages are low (if you managed to get a job), grocerries are unaffordable, bills are expensive, the streets are dangerous, hobbies are expensive, these problems don't stop just because you are a woman. It appears women are winning, because the examples of women being successful are overwhelming of elite women using inherited privelge to gain high status, it does not apply to normal winning.

As we already know, hypergamy only favours a few men, everyone else loses -- including women. Due to this fact, the majority of women are not going to get the top 20% of men, and this will make them bitter. This will lead to social collapse caused by the elite overproduction, it's not just a male thing. However, the difference with women is that female status orientation is more unstable than male status orientation and will spiral out of control quicker than male status competitions, and women will use their social power coalitions to attack men as a reaction to elite overproduction resentment. Men and women will not unite over this issue, instead they will polarise over it.

EDIT: Hypergamy is not some natural state, but a social trend indicating a period of social instability.
 
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Hypergamy is the natural state of all mammals. Religion and traditions tried to suppress it in human society and but now as their relevance is fading, we're getting close to the natural order
 
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Hypergamy is the natural state of all mammals. Religion and traditions tried to suppress it in human society and but now as their relevance is fading, we're getting close to the natural order
And so because it’s ‘natural’ you think it’s good? (I don’t even have to explain why this is illogical)
 
And so because it’s natural you think it’s good?
I won't categorize it as good/bad, but it is inevitable and all the roads lead to it
 
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I won't categorize it as good/bad, but it is inevitable and all the roads lead to it
It’s bad because it causes us incels to suffer and it’s unfair. That follows doesn’t it? Not that hard to make up your mind.
 
I'm confident in my capabilities in the sexual market, since this doesn't apply to me
us incels

That being said, natural selection is inherently unfair and it's not useful to moralize it
 
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I'm confident in my capabilities in the sexual market, since this doesn't apply to me


That being said, natural selection is inherently unfair and it's not useful to moralize it
Well obviously I wasn’t referring to you. Dumbass. I wouldn’t expect a newgen to know any struggle or anything about the Blackpill at all. That being said, you are a faggot who should die
 
Hypergamy is the natural state of all mammals. Religion and traditions tried to suppress it in human society and but now as their relevance is fading, we're getting close to the natural order
Hypergamy in humans is an oppurtuinistic strategy, this is because most of the time sexual competition prevents people from achieving it. Also, not all mammals are alike,
 
hypergamy is a cope for terminally online basement indians, anyone who goes outside knows the opposite is way more common
 
Those girls always be trying to have moral advantage like they always right while they be reinforcing unmoral nature laws hell nah. Hypergamous foids and dark triad males cause most bad in the world IMO
I'm confident in my capabilities in the sexual market, since this doesn't apply to me


That being said, natural selection is inherently unfair and it's not useful to moralize it
 
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Hypergamy is the natural state of all mammals. Religion and traditions tried to suppress it in human society and but now as their relevance is fading, we're getting close to the natural order
Will this result in the extinction of males who are considered below average?
 
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Yes, not immediately but eventually
But wouldn't that just make the above average, average?
How long can this last? Until everyone is Chad? And what will happen after that?
These are questions i think about regularly
 
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But wouldn't that just make the above average, average?
How long can this last? Until everyone is Chad? And what will happen after that?
These are questions i think about regularly
There’s always gonna be variation through mutations or recombination. Also different traits are advantageous in different contexts so the "above average" doesn’t stay fixed keeps moving.

There is no endpoint to it since it's a cycle and organisms are always making trade offs
 
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I'll just explain my thoughts below.

Hypergamy is the result of women attempting to live up to unrealistic social expectations placed upon them by society. Society prefers people to date assortively, this means to date within your own league, however, when a woman fails to achieve her goals she is more likely to date hypergamously as a sort of compensatory mechanism. Our economy is dogshit and there is an overproduction of elites (as explained by Peter Turchin), this is the cause of hypergamy -- women being told their whole lives to study for a job they will never achieve. The gyneocentric feminism girlboss narrative is a lie designed to hide how abysmal modern life is. In the developed world, rent is unaffordable, wages are low (if you managed to get a job), grocerries are unaffordable, bills are expensive, the streets are dangerous, hobbies are expensive, these problems don't stop just because you are a woman. It appears women are winning, because the examples of women being successful are overwhelming of elite women using inherited privelge to gain high status, it does not apply to normal winning.

As we already know, hypergamy only favours a few men, everyone else loses -- including women. Due to this fact, the majority of women are not going to get the top 20% of men, and this will make them bitter. This will lead to social collapse caused by the elite overproduction, it's not just a male thing. However, the difference with women is that female status orientation is more unstable than male status orientation and will spiral out of control quicker than male status competitions, and women will use their social power coalitions to attack men as a reaction to elite overproduction resentment. Men and women will not unite over this issue, instead they will polarise over it.

EDIT: Hypergamy is not some natural state, but a social trend indicating a period of social instability.
en it gets so bad that women will not think any men is attractive and then they will start dating cartoon figures
 
Hypergamy is the natural state of all mammals. Religion and traditions tried to suppress it in human society and but now as their relevance is fading, we're getting close to the natural order
Problem is that a low iq but good looking man cant provide for his kids like a LTN with a good income. Now guess who is going to have offspring
 
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Problem is that a low iq but good looking man cant provide for his kids like a LTN with a good income. Now guess who is going to have offspring
why in this case does the good looking man have to be nerfed with a low iq. you could say the same thing with the situation flipped and that LTN is as good as fucked. :forcedsmile:
 
EDIT: Hypergamy is not some natural state, but a social trend indicating a period of social instability.
That is just not the case. Pre-civilization, about 80% of women reproduced while only 20% of men did. We can easily deduce this by the higher genetic diversity in mitochondrial DNA, which is passed only through females, compared to the lower diversity in the Y chromosome, which is passed only through males. I have some studies about this but couldn't find where I saved them atm. Feminism and female liberation has only brought things back to its "natural" state. Women were forced to settle for economic stability, now they're not. Women are naturally hypergamous:feelsbadman:
 
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Problem is that a low iq but good looking man cant provide for his kids like a LTN with a good income. Now guess who is going to have offspring

The low IQ man makes six figures through nepotism while the LTN never makes more than average wage because he’s held back by his looks.

Or alternatively alpha fucks, beta bucks, the LTN ends up raising the good looking guys kids.
 
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But wouldn't that just make the above average, average?
How long can this last? Until everyone is Chad? And what will happen after that?
These are questions i think about regularly
Thats kinda the entire principle of evolution though. The inferior genes get weeded out, and humanity becomes "stronger" (which technically is just more adapted to their enviornment). However its important to remember that there are quite a lot of traits that aren't normal and it not entering the gene pool does not make us better, just not worse.

Moreover, most of the genetic long term advantages that come from hypergamy, are largely dependant on what societal structure we have. Previously, being intellegent was a must in order to reliably get the financial stability to reproduce and have tons of children. Now, however, we have so many social serveses that it isn't really neccecery. Dumber people are more likely to want, or at least get, more children. Thats why our general intellegence is decreasing.

When it comes to looks, the genes involved in making someone attractive are way more complex than many make it out to be. In fact, men's attractiveness doesn't really coorelate with parental attractiveness at all. The only real heritablity is the fathers dimorphism and of course some general features. Women's attractiveness is much more dependant on the average attractiveness of the parents but I suppose its not enough for any significant change over time? It probably also takes so much time that our genetic looks prefference changes a lot. Like humans who lived 200 000 years ago wouldn't be considered attractive today yk. I don't think thats mainly because we ARE more attractive, but because we are too far from our ancestiors genetically; Similar to how you don't find a genetically blessed Zebra attractive, despite it being attractive to other zebras
 
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Problem is that a low iq but good looking man cant provide for his kids like a LTN with a good income. Now guess who is going to have offspring
Very weak analogy. You're introducing an extra variable (iq) to the topic to challenge it
 
Hypergamy is the natural state of all mammals. Religion and traditions tried to suppress it in human society and but now as their relevance is fading, we're getting close to the natural order
Yeah bro and remind me again of which other species of mammals have civilization?
 
Yeah bro and remind me again of which other species of mammals have civilization?
Well not all mammals can speak in fluent shakespearean english either, so i guess language just isn’t a thing then
 
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Well not all mammals can speak in fluent shakespearean english either, so i guess language just isn’t a thing then
You are not making the point you think you are bro
 
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I was just pointing out that your logic is broken, i've already made my point earlier
My logic isn't broken. I am telling you that just because something is "natural" doesn't mean human beings who outsped natural evolution and adaptations by 100x will abide by it. Humans evolved to live in small tribes of 20/30 members and yet now live in cities with millions. Humans were supposed to keep to a small localized comunity and yet now the entire world is in constant contact. It's natural for humans to rape, kill and pillage and yet we have laws against those things and strive to overcome our violent nature every moment of our lives. If you can't see that, idk what to tell you.
 
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It's natural for humans to rape, kill and pillage and yet we have laws against those things and strive to overcome our violent nature
Hypergamy is the natural state of all mammals. Religion and traditions tried to suppress it in human society
Alright but u r just restating my earlier point now. I never claimed hypergamy is virtuous simply because it's natural, i just said it is natural
 
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Alright but u r just restating my earlier point now. I never claimed hypergamy is virtuous simply because it's natural, i just said it is natural
I guess I misread what you were getting at in the thread then. I understood your point as "hypergamy is natural so we MUST eventually return to it" to which I am just saying not necessarily. People are more than capable of virtue and morality but strong foundations and leadership is required. Our (((leaders))) push for degeneracy and hypergamy
 
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Do tell us more :sleep:
 
That is just not the case. Pre-civilization, about 80% of women reproduced while only 20% of men did. We can easily deduce this by the higher genetic diversity in mitochondrial DNA, which is passed only through females, compared to the lower diversity in the Y chromosome, which is passed only through males. I have some studies about this but couldn't find where I saved them atm. Feminism and female liberation has only brought things back to its "natural" state. Women were forced to settle for economic stability, now they're not. Women are naturally hypergamous:feelsbadman:
From my research this reproduction skew occurs sharply occurs around the dawn of agriculture. Agriculture (like 2% of human history) allowed for humans to develop a caloric surplus which allowed men sustain longer and larger wars, which allowed them to commit genocide campaigns all over the world. The reason why 1 man reproduced for every 16 women is because 1 man killed 16 men on average, and those 16 women are sex slaves. I don't understand how women would want to assume the position of being a sex slave.
 

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