Anecdotal public observations of young couples

[Reckless Turtle]

For reference (and restricted to a younger demographic only):

Normie/Becky: 50th percentile
HTN/HTB: 84th percentile (1/6.3) (1 SD)
Chadlite/Stacylite: 98th percentile (1/44) (2 SD)
Chad/Stacy: 99.7th percentile (1/740.8) (3 SD)
GigaChad/GigaStacy: 99.997th percentile (1/31,574.4) (4 SD)

I've already graduated university and currently live near a large university campus.

When I go out in public for chores, nearly all of the white, HTN+, 6'+ guys are with a typically white GF no higher than Becky. At this point, I see at least one of these pairings every time I go out in public during a busy hour.

When I went to the grocery store yesterday, there was a white, 6'+ Chadlite (good jawline and forward growth) with a dead average white GF. In another extreme example, I saw a white, facially above average guy around 6'5 with another dead average white GF (who was wearing sorority clothes).

A few years ago during a gathering through family, the 18-year-old daughter (short Becky) was graduating high school with her 6'3, Chad, football star boyfriend. Ironically, he wasn't even her first boyfriend; she had probably lost her virginity to a tall white HTN before him.

Towards the end of university, two of my roommates (HTNs) had fat, below-average GFs.

On the other hand, just about every attractive chick (HTB+) has no BF with her out in public (she's either alone or with female friends).

TL;DR: From anecdotal observation, younger white guys as high Chad-tier are having to get average white GFs in order to get decent sexual access. This only seems to have gotten worse since I first started university (over 5 years ago). Even based on @Amnesia's threads, the likelihood of getting sex with HTB+ white women without status/money/simping ridiculously hard (in addition to looks) is low.

 

[Amexmaxx]

From anecdotal observation, younger white guys as high Chad-tier are having to get average white GFs in order to get decent sexual access. This only seems to have gotten worse since I first started university (over 5 years ago). Even based on @ /data/avatars/s/1/1325.jpg?1630018785 @Amnesia's threads, the likelihood of getting sex with HTB+ white women without status/money/simping ridiculously hard (in addition to looks) is low.

Whoremaxx

 

[Vermilioncore]

Your Avatar: Turtles me.

 

[Deleted member 14978]

Are people just having sex less? And what is the explanation for this? I assume it is porn and sex toys

 

[Carolus]

• Are people just having sex less? And what is the explanation for this? I assume it is porn and sex toys

• Laziness
• Easier to get validation through phone and 15 apps where 100's of men tell you how gorgeous you are
• Higher standards because of hollywood western propaganda/feminism aka no man is good enough for a relationship
• Birth control and other hormone disrupting pills/foods/liquids and what have you
• Other environmental/health factors that are making women desire sex less

 

[OOGABOOGA]

So normie girls date htn guys bc they’re far enough past their own looks level to be satisfied. Htb+ girls try to date up too but there’s less supply of and more demand for the chadlites/chads so they end up in actual relationships less often bc these are the muh toxic asshole guys. Which simply means less controllable bc more girls want them.

water but never hurts to reiterate

 

[Deleted member 8904]

hypergamy is a myth you are just a faggot

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Are people just having sex less? And what is the explanation for this? I assume it is porn and sex toys

The main observation is that young, HTB+ women are extremely difficult for young guys (even at nearly Chad levels) to obtain. Even the athletes I knew in college (two were roommates) could barely pull HTBs for sex, let alone Staceylites.

Probably around a decade ago it was still possible for attractive young guys to LTR their looksmatch. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore though.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

So normie girls date htn guys bc they’re far enough past their own looks level to be satisfied. Htb+ girls try to date up too but there’s less supply of and more demand for the chadlites/chads so they end up in actual relationships less often bc these are the muh toxic asshole guys. Which simply means less controllable bc more girls want them.

water but never hurts to reiterate

HTBs+ can easily use social media to get attention from GigaChads, statusmaxed guys, wealthy sugar daddies, etc.

 

[Bubarik]

I guess they're just hooking up with chads and aiming to settle down with wealthiest/statusmaxxed men eventually

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I guess they're just hooking up with chads and aiming to settle down with wealthiest/statusmaxxed men eventually

You ought to clarify which demographic of women you're talking about because my point is that average white women are currently getting commitment from young Chadlites (and even Chads). They aren't just hooking up with them.

 

[Deleted member 9670]

hypergamy is a myth you are just a faggot

hypergamy is a real thing this forums definition is just retarded.

hypergamy is about wealth/status

 

[Bubarik]

You ought to clarify which demographic of women you're talking about because my point is that average white women are currently getting commitment from young Chadlites (and even Chads).

HTB+ I'd say. Chads fuck around and cover a wide range of women's demographic including these too. Top tier women just not eager to commit and go with their pairs in public/make it public in social media, unless he's a gigachad or some influencer.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

hypergamy is about wealth/status

Elab

 

[Deleted member 9670]

Elab

no

 

[Jason Voorhees]

no

 

[Chadeep]

Stacies are usually dating medium ugly guys cuz Chad is High maintenance.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

HTB+ I'd say. Chads fuck around and cover a wide range of women's demographic including these too. Top tier women just not eager to commit and go with their pairs in public/make it public in social media, unless he's a gigachad or some influencer.

Again, speaking from experience, even very GL guys struggle to slay HTBs. @Amnesia is a forum example of that and this was even the case with NT college athletes I knew.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

hypergamy is a real thing this forums definition is just retarded.

hypergamy is about wealth/status

Hypergamy involves all aspects of market value (SMV and RMV).

 

[Preoximerianas]

On my final year at a large public university in one of the more liberal states within the country and what you've observed is mostly what I've seen too. No idea why this is and honestly don't care enough to find out.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Stacies are usually dating medium ugly guys cuz Chad is High maintenance.

You're falling for the @looksmaxxer234 meme. Those medium uglies are gigasimps and/or well-connected (status/money), and the woman tends to completely control when sex happens. Your average status guy has slim to no chance dating a Stacy.

Also, you skipped straight to Stacies when this post encapsulates HTBs and Staceylites too. Many Stacies don't even go to university because they can make money too easily off of their looks.

 

[Chadeep]

You're falling for the @looksmaxxer234 meme. Those medium uglies are gigasimps and/or well-connected (status/money), and the woman tends to completely control when sex happens. Your average status guy has slim to no chance dating a Stacy.

Also, you skipped straight to Stacies when this post encapsulates HTBs and Staceylites too. Many Stacies don't even go to university because they can make money too easily off of their looks.

@lyniahihi Has fucked good looking Girls from Tinder who are in Relationship with Low tier guys. He said the same thing he can get LTR from girls who he mogs in looks but doesn't get from ones who are looksmatched.

 

[Bubarik]

Again, speaking from experience, even very GL guys struggle to slay HTBs. @Amnesia is a forum example of that and this was even the case with NT college athletes I knew.

This can be location dependant to a degree idk, large US campuses are known to be a quite hypergamous place. How'd you explain the issue yourself?

 

[Looks234]

You're falling for the @looksmaxxer234 meme. Those medium uglies are gigasimps and/or well-connected (status/money), and the woman tends to completely control when sex happens. Your average status guy has slim to no chance dating a Stacy.

who said I was memeing @Biggdink @sytyl

 

[Reckless Turtle]

On my final year at a large public university in one of the more liberal states within the country and what you've observed is mostly what I've seen too. No idea why this is and honestly don't care enough to find out.

This can be location dependant to a degree idk, large US campuses are known to be a quite hypergamous place. How'd you explain the issue yourself?

Hypergamy on crack. I also think the pandemic has created a larger gap because of an increased reliance on online dating rather than real-life social circles. A lot of white women in school are financially secure as well, so there's little incentive to date for security (unless they're whoring; having a sugar daddy).

@lyniahihi Has fucked good looking Girls from Tinder who are in Relationship with Low tier guys. He said the same thing he can get LTR from girls who he mogs in looks but doesn't get from ones who are looksmatched.

He needs to post receipts in order to have relevance. @Amnesia's threads are a useful forum example (keep in mind most of the women he talks about are especially trashy from a behavioral standpoint too).

 

[sytyl]

who said I was memeing @Biggdink @sytyl

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OP is falling prey to making a certain observation but drawing the wrong conclusion. He's right that chadlites/chads are dating basically beckies, this is something that falls in line with what I see too. What he fails to mention is probably all the normal looking couples where the guy looks worse than the girl because of selective bias - his mind is already made up, those guys must be gay friends, beta buxxing etc.

Hell in his response to you he says the girls control the sex, but these same girls complain about their bfs cheating.

 

[Deleted member 9670]

Stacies are usually dating medium ugly guys cuz Chad is High maintenance.

Proof

 

[Reckless Turtle]

who said I was memeing @Biggdink @sytyl

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Medium ugly women winning. They get the Chads and presidents because the HTB+s are too busy sifting through their endless supply of men.

What he fails to mention is probably all the normal looking couples where the guy looks worse than the girl because of selective bias - his mind is already made up, those guys must be gay friends, beta buxxing etc.

Hell in his response to you he says the girls control the sex, but these same girls complain about their bfs cheating.

This post was never about the "normal looking couples," and I never denied their existence. I was observing who young HTNs and HTBs are with. Also, most men are inherently beta providers.

I was referring to Stacies controlling the sex (which is true), although most women end up controlling the sex within relationships because most men do not have consistent sexual options. Men attempt to cheat when the sex inevitably dries up in their relationship (due to the woman having control over the sex).

 

[Reckless Turtle]

 

[pepperchickencurry]

maybe because we're more critical of women's looks and think they all look average

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

she sure likes his personality

 

[Reckless Turtle]

maybe because we're more critical of women's looks and think they all look average

I've considered that, but I think I'm pretty accurate.

Challenge: post a bare minimum, unfrauded Stacy

Stacy: a female 3 standard deviations to the right of the mean (99.87th percentile or 1/741) in terms of physical attractiveness. Keep in mind, this includes the entire female population. Sometimes I think users (including myself) are too harsh about what a Stacy actually looks like, provided...

looksmax.org

 

[Xangsane]

For reference (and restricted to a younger demographic only):

Normie/Becky: 50th percentile
HTN/HTB: 84th percentile (1/6.3) (1 SD)
Chadlite/Stacylite: 98th percentile (1/44) (2 SD)
Chad/Stacy: 99.7th percentile (1/740.8) (3 SD)
GigaChad/GigaStacy: 99.997th percentile (1/31,574.4) (4 SD)

I've already graduated university and currently live near a large university campus.

When I go out in public for chores, nearly all of the white, HTN+, 6'+ guys are with a typically white GF no higher than Becky. At this point, I see at least one of these pairings every time I go out in public during a busy hour.

When I went to the grocery store yesterday, there was a white, 6'+ Chadlite (good jawline and forward growth) with a dead average white GF. In another extreme example, I saw a white, facially above average guy around 6'5 with another dead average white GF (who was wearing sorority clothes).

A few years ago during a gathering through family, the 18-year-old daughter (short Becky) was graduating high school with her 6'3, Chad, football star boyfriend. Ironically, he wasn't even her first boyfriend; she had probably lost her virginity to a tall white HTN before him.

Towards the end of university, two of my roommates (HTNs) had fat, below-average GFs.

On the other hand, just about every attractive chick (HTB+) has no BF with her out in public (she's either alone or with female friends).

TL;DR: From anecdotal observation, younger white guys as high Chad-tier are having to get average white GFs in order to get decent sexual access. This only seems to have gotten worse since I first started university (over 5 years ago). Even based on @Amnesia's threads, the likelihood of getting sex with HTB+ white women without status/money/simping ridiculously hard (in addition to looks) is low.

What about ethnic men and women?

 

[Xangsane]

He ghosted her after 6 months if you saw the update on Tails's channel.

 

[Xangsane]

OP is falling prey to making a certain observation but drawing the wrong conclusion. He's right that chadlites/chads are dating basically beckies, this is something that falls in line with what I see too. What he fails to mention is probably all the normal looking couples where the guy looks worse than the girl because of selective bias - his mind is already made up, those guys must be gay friends, beta buxxing etc.

Hell in his response to you he says the girls control the sex, but these same girls complain about their bfs cheating.

My 5'8 HTN friend told me when he was at Uni, he saw 3 stacylites in couples with chubby LTNs.
He on the other hand had mostly LTB Indian/Asian girls surrounding him, no white girls giving him attention, and 95% of his likes on dating apps were from Indian/Asian women. His LTN friend exclusively dated Indian girls.

I knew of two Stacies at uni. One had a rotten personality and wasn't with anyone, and the other was dating a chubby but tall LTN with social prowess to die for.

This 6'3 tall white male model Chadlite was dating a 5'1 redhead Becky.

When I was at uni most of the time, I was either a LTN or a MTN (due to being fat.) I never had any girls pay attention to me. Just before corona, I got down to average weight, and some girls in nightclubs started groping my ass and showing IOIs. Of course, I didn't want to make advances on them, but just acted friendly. I didn't sleep with them either. I'm now at 12% bf, been rated on average a PSL 6 Chadlite and I do get much more IOIs by women when I work at the hospital during shifts, including better treatment than my coworkers, but I'm not gonna flirt with them since I have a girlfriend (HTB) who I love dearly.

 

[pepperchickencurry]

My 5'8 HTN friend told me when he was at Uni, he saw 3 stacylites in couples with chubby LTNs.
He on the other hand had mostly LTB Indian/Asian girls surrounding him, no white girls giving him attention, and 95% of his likes on dating apps were from Indian/Asian women. His LTN friend exclusively dated Indian girls.

I knew of two Stacies at uni. One had a rotten personality and wasn't with anyone, and the other was dating a chubby but tall LTN with social prowess to die for.

sorry what do those acronyms mean?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

What about ethnic men and women?

Some ethnic men (mostly black) have some success slaying the bottom 20% of young women. Most ethnics are relegated to betabuxing though.

Ethnic women with high RMV (Asians from traditional families, typically) can snag white HTN+s for relationships. Most ethnic women end up single and working, and some will get pumped and dumped occasionally.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

He ghosted her after 6 months if you saw the update on Tails's channel.

Yeah, that's where I found it.

 

[pepperchickencurry]

sorry what do those acronyms mean?

nvm I figured it out

 

[Xangsane]

Some ethnic men (mostly black) have some success slaying the bottom 20% of young women. Most ethnics are relegated to betabuxing though.

Ethnic women with high RMV (Asians from traditional families, typically) can snag white HTN+ for relationships. Most ethnic women end up single and working, and some will get pumped and dumped occasionally.

I'm ethnic and Muslim but pass as white, with brown hair, golden skin and blue-green eyes. My girlfriend is also ethnic from a Muslim background and looks like a hazel-eyed Charli XCX. What category would we fall under?

I know of an Iranian HTB from Uni from a conservative family that doesn't let her drink, have tattoos, do drugs, smoke or have casual sex despite going to University to do a STEM degree. She has a very wide variety of interests and seems more interesting than an average girl, but dresses a bit like an indie hipster. All of these things apply to her, and now she often has educated white HTN and Chadlite prettyboys swarming her. She's the type that would be worried to jump head in because she doesn't want casual sex, is LTR only, and is a 23-year-old virgin.

She told me she'd happily go for one of those boys but is worried her parents would be upset.

Is it because ethnic women are forced into work by their families, especially Asian women?

I've seen ethnic women who chase exclusively after white or white Hispanic men complain about getting pumped and dumped.

 

[Xangsane]

nvm I figured it out

htb = high tier becky
htn = high tier normie

 

[Xangsane]

Yeah, that's where I found it.

I knew this would happen. You?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Is it because ethnic women are forced into work by their families, especially Asian women?

I've seen ethnic women who chase exclusively after white or white Hispanic men complain about getting pumped and dumped.

Yes, and they tend to inadvertently end up having comparatively high RMV because their dads aren't cucks and force them to study instead of hoeing (partying, casual sex, etc.).

The ethnic women who do that and get P&Ded were too Westernized from birth.

 

[Xangsane]

Yes, and they tend to inadvertently end up having comparatively high RMV because their dads aren't cucks and force them to study instead of hoeing (partying, casual sex, etc.).

The ethnic women who do that and get P&Ded were too Westernized from birth.

Would you say that Iranian woman I described would have a high RMV? Or is she being too picky?

Oddly enough, I'm seeing a few Nigerian-origin women from Uni adopting the same strategy as the Iranian woman. But indeed many, especially westernized SEA women for some reason, are getting P&D'd.

I know of an Indian woman who'd get P&D'd by white men on Tinder MULTIPLE times. They'd manipulate her into a relationship and would drag things out, and after being pressured into having sex, the men would run away. She is now in an LTR with a fat soy-tier white man.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I knew this would happen. You?

It isn't surprising to me.

Would you say that Iranian woman I described would have a high RMV? Or is she being too picky?

Oddly enough, I'm seeing a few Nigerian-origin women from Uni adopting the same strategy as the Iranian woman. But indeed many, especially SEA women are getting P&D'd.

IDK, it depends on their upbringing. Most of my Asian female peers were virgins (no kissing, even) by the end of high school. Some were Westernized (they had cuck fathers) and ended up being hoes.

 

[Deleted member 14160]

HTB+ don't care much for looks or even millionaires. They want drug dealers

 

[Xangsane]

It isn't surprising to me.

IDK, it depends on their upbringing. Most of my Asian female peers were virgins (no kissing, even) by the end of high school.

Neither it was tbh. He had better, more beautiful options.

Even though I've been rated a PSL 6 Chadlite on here, I would stick with my current GF (high tier becky) rather than ditch her for a Stacy or whatever.

That Iranian girl said she has very strict helicopter parents and only want her to bring home a "good, smart, beautiful boy" but I'm not sure if that could happen given that she's HTB and not Stacy. So she said they trained her to be like this smart, virginial woman with many interests and doesn't give up herself easily. She was one of my roommates, in fact, quite an outgoing, social girl, but not drunk sorority girl-tier.

I think those girls were no-kissing because their parents didn't let them. I grew up with many Indians around me, and my current girlfriend is half Indian. She only started being in a relationship at university (with a chubby MTN who cheated with her on a Stacylite.)

 

[Reckless Turtle]

HTB+ don't care much for looks or even millionaires. They want drug dealers

Only the trashy ones. This isn't the case in my area.

 

[Lihito]

For reference (and restricted to a younger demographic only):

Normie/Becky: 50th percentile
HTN/HTB: 84th percentile (1/6.3) (1 SD)
Chadlite/Stacylite: 98th percentile (1/44) (2 SD)
Chad/Stacy: 99.7th percentile (1/740.8) (3 SD)
GigaChad/GigaStacy: 99.997th percentile (1/31,574.4) (4 SD)

I've already graduated university and currently live near a large university campus.

When I go out in public for chores, nearly all of the white, HTN+, 6'+ guys are with a typically white GF no higher than Becky. At this point, I see at least one of these pairings every time I go out in public during a busy hour.

When I went to the grocery store yesterday, there was a white, 6'+ Chadlite (good jawline and forward growth) with a dead average white GF. In another extreme example, I saw a white, facially above average guy around 6'5 with another dead average white GF (who was wearing sorority clothes).

A few years ago during a gathering through family, the 18-year-old daughter (short Becky) was graduating high school with her 6'3, Chad, football star boyfriend. Ironically, he wasn't even her first boyfriend; she had probably lost her virginity to a tall white HTN before him.

Towards the end of university, two of my roommates (HTNs) had fat, below-average GFs.

On the other hand, just about every attractive chick (HTB+) has no BF with her out in public (she's either alone or with female friends).

TL;DR: From anecdotal observation, younger white guys as high Chad-tier are having to get average white GFs in order to get decent sexual access. This only seems to have gotten worse since I first started university (over 5 years ago). Even based on @Amnesia's threads, the likelihood of getting sex with HTB+ white women without status/money/simping ridiculously hard (in addition to looks) is low.

Your Daughter wants specimen seed my Brother

Provide or die at The hands of a chad

 

[Lihito]

Your Daughter wants specimen seed my Brother

Provide or die at The hands of a chad

You have to Jerk of chad now