Another Day, Another DHT Discussion

[Jonas2k7]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth

 

[IrishSlayer1483]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

View attachment 3575754
Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth

no one in my family line has balding or baldness ofc dht is responsible for balding but it is how ur genes react to it. so people who dont have to worry about balding shouldnt fear dht

 

[Jonas2k7]

Replying to @20/04/2008 from another thread:

Androgenic compounds have "serm like effects", even DHT does have this. It doesn't really antagonize the estrogen receptor but it blocks the ER from exerting its effects even DHT does that as seen in gyno patients.

 

[IrishSlayer1483]

Replying to @20/04/2008 from another thread:

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Androgenic compounds have "serm like effects", even DHT does have this. It doesn't really antagonize the estrogen receptor but it blocks the ER from exerting its effects even DHT does that as seen in gyno patients.

im not wrong in my point though

 

[greycelzoomer]

Trash hormone

 

[Deleted member 77820]

Replying to @20/04/2008 from another thread:

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Androgenic compounds have "serm like effects", even DHT does have this. It doesn't really antagonize the estrogen receptor but it blocks the ER from exerting its effects even DHT does that as seen in gyno patients.

Masteron acts on receptors nigga
Dht just lower serum E2 just like primo does

Example if you took 500 mg of test started getting E2 high sides if you used masteron you’ll stop getting E2 sides but if you did bloods your E2 is still high for example like 105 pg/ml jfl

But if you took for example primo and you took 500 test your gonna have lower estrogen on bloods for example like 25 pg/ ml

 

[Jonas2k7]

Every androgen acts on the receptor.


btw @20/04/2008 lets start repping each other this shit is dragging my post to rep ratio down

im not wrong in my point though

This wasnt directed to you. I just JFL'ed because "how the genes react to it" is simply bullshit if you have 5AR2 you will experience hair loss

Trash hormone

The hormone has its purpose in the body without it you would have an even smaller micropenis, but again after puberty it becomes pretty much useless except for the penis and brain part

 

[greycelzoomer]

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Every androgen acts on the receptor.


btw @20/04/2008 lets start repping each other this shit is dragging my post to rep ratio down



This wasnt directed to you. I just JFL'ed because "how the genes react to it" is simply bullshit if you have 5AR2 you will experience hair loss

The hormone has its purpose in the body without it you would have an even smaller micropenis, but again after puberty it becomes pretty much useless except for the penis and brain part

Trash hormone after puberty

 

[Jonas2k7]

Masteron acts on receptors nigga
Dht just lower serum E2 just like primo does

Example if you took 500 mg of test started getting E2 high sides if you used masteron you’ll stop getting E2 sides but if you did bloods your E2 is still high for example like 105 pg/ml jfl

But if you took for example primo and you took 500 test your gonna have lower estrogen on bloods for example like 25 pg/ ml

Why should primo lower e2?? and mast not?

 

[Hexmask]

Why is DHT so strongly discussed?

More androgens and DHT=hairloss, raped collagen, shit youthfulness and aging.

To block DHT=finasteride/dutasteride

End of discussion.

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

View attachment 3575754
Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth

idk but I'm blasting myself with 10% DHT gel

 

[greycelzoomer]

idk but I'm blasting myself with 10% DHT gel

That is not quite a good idea

 

[Jonas2k7]

Why is DHT so strongly discussed?

More androgens and DHT=hairloss, raped collagen, shit youthfulness and aging.

To block DHT=finasteride/dutasteride

End of discussion.

This but a lot of people dont understand this concept somehow

and atleast you please rep the thread and replies nigga my post to rep ratio gets nuked every time we discuss something valuable

@halloweed @DR. NICKGA @Always Stay You @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @greycelzoomer

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

That is not quite a good idea

still in puberty bru

 

[Jonas2k7]

idk but I'm blasting myself with 10% DHT gel

Why?? for penis growth? maybe if you are growing but it is pretty much genetics in the end too..

will just increase your systemic dht levels

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Why?? for penis growth? maybe if you are growing but it is pretty much genetics in the end too..

will just increase your systemic dht levels

just for like a bit more penis growth yea like 0.5 in more and ill be happy

I'm only gonna run it for a few months

ik a part of it goes systemic but its aight. prob will run a test base with it

 

[Jonas2k7]

just for like a bit more penis growth yea like 0.5 in more and ill be happy

I'm only gonna run it for a few months

ik a part of it goes systemic but its aight. prob will run a test base with it

Bro everything goes systemic do you think it will just stay in the penile tissue and not tell your HPA axis to downregulate??
yes combine it with a test base for best results

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Bro everything goes systemic do you think it will just stay in the penile tissue and not tell your HPA axis to downregulate??
yes combine it with a test base for best results

It will be the most potent in that area though

 

[veggiedietcell]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

View attachment 3575754
Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth

Doesn’t fin reduce fertility and give u gyno?

 

[Jonas2k7]

Doesn’t fin reduce fertility and give u gyno?

Yeah it can give you gyno but about fertility I would say no really, intact HPA axis for fertility
gyno yeah it can give you that because DHT acts like an ""antagonist"" of estrogen so with the same amount of e2 + less DHT you may get gyno but highly unlikely I guess for most individuals

 

[veggiedietcell]

Yeah it can give you gyno but about fertility I would say no really, intact HPA axis for fertility
gyno yeah it can give you that because DHT acts like an ""antagonist"" of estrogen so with the same amount of e2 + less DHT you may get gyno but highly unlikely I guess for most individuals

Also for hair loss, it depends on the ratio of dht and igf 1 right? So keeping dht high and igf1 higher would solve the problem?

 

[PsychoH]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

View attachment 3575754
Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth

DHT on itself doesn’t lower hair but DHT, low igf-1 and low estrogen do.

 

[Jonas2k7]

Also for hair loss, it depends on the ratio of dht and igf 1 right? So keeping dht high and igf1 higher would solve the problem?

No bro also you wouldnt be able to modify igf1 that easily it really depends on your bodys conversion of igf1

also the gene expression in the scalp determines how much igf1 is used in the scalp thus making DHT the only thing you should focus on, if DHT = lower igf1 in the scalp

 

[Jonas2k7]

It will be the most potent in that area though

Yes obviously.

 

[Jonas2k7]

DHT on itself doesn’t lower hair but DHT, low igf-1 and low estrogen do.

No bro also you wouldnt be able to modify igf1 that easily it really depends on your bodys conversion of igf1

also the gene expression in the scalp determines how much igf1 is used in the scalp thus making DHT the only thing you should focus on, if DHT = lower igf1 in the scalp

DHT is the primary factor for hair loss, go read about it

 

[DR. NICKGA]

DHT on itself doesn’t lower hair but DHT, low igf-1 and low estrogen do.

Thats a dumb myth from the botb section

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Yes obviously.

Thats my goal, I am aware a percentage of the gel goes systemic

Think it’s retarded to cruise test just for like two months jfl while I’m in dht gel

 

[Jonas2k7]

Thats my goal, I am aware a percentage of the gel goes systemic

Think it’s retarded to cruise test just for like two months jfl while I’m in dht gel

Test itself would shut you down harder than lets say HCG or enclo. Just buy enclo because you wont like to inject right...

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Question is how to know when it’s a good time to go nuclear and nuke dht to oblivion?

I’m aware it’s an utterly useless hormone after puberty.

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Test itself would shut you down harder than lets say HCG or enclo. Just buy enclo because you wont like to inject right...

I’m already injecting wdym

Yeah but I still need test, running 10% dht gel solo might be retarded innit.

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Question is how to know when it’s a good time to go nuclear and nuke dht to oblivion?

I’m aware it’s an utterly useless hormones after puberty.

When ur puberty is over

 

[Bitterschön]

So 20+ men should hop on duta or fin?

what does lower/surpressed dht do to the male psyche?

 

[Jonas2k7]

Question is how to know when it’s a good time to go nuclear and nuke dht to oblivion?

I’m aware it’s an utterly useless hormones after puberty.

Ehh rep za thread bro post rep ratio and shit..

So it is pretty hard to absolutely nuke your DHT because your brain and penis depends on it very much, but if you get no sides its okay and the slight increase of natty test would be good enough to compensate in other areas
trying to cope with cialis for penis maybe and viagra in some situations
for brain just look into nootropics and maybe use allopregananolone because lack of 5ar inhibits its production and its important for brain

 

[Jonas2k7]

I’m already injecting wdym

Yeah but I still need test, running 10% dht gel solo might be retarded innit.

What are you injecting rn? but I just mentioned it because just buying all the injection stuff just for test would be a pain in the ass etc
but if you are doing that just do HCG while running th DHT gel, will boost your natty T production and yeah no sides if you dont dose it too high

 

[doomed.svd]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

View attachment 3575754
Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth



nb

bump

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

What are you injecting rn? but I just mentioned it because just buying all the injection stuff just for test would be a pain in the ass etc
but if you are doing that just do HCG while running th DHT gel, will boost your natty T production and yeah no sides if you dont dose it too high

Just hGH. Also bhai why would I be scared of pinning I literally did lipolab

I already have all the needles and pins.

So you just recommend HCG with DHT gel with no test base? I saw some shit saying HCG can cause premature growth plate closure but it was a random grey, I'll do my own research on it later

 

[Jonas2k7]

So 20+ men should hop on duta or fin?

what does lower/surpressed dht do to the male psyche?

It can cuck your brain by giving you more brain fog, less mental clarity, less drive for things like in the gym less focus, less dominance,..

It is caused by a combination of the lack of 5ar (5ar converts other things than just T -> DHT too) and DHT

If hair + skin >>> slightly worse performing brain
then nuke it
just be sure of the risks
@chadisbeingmade

 

[Jonas2k7]

Just hGH. Also bhai why would I be scared of pinning I literally did lipolab

I already have all the needles and pins.

My bad nigga I forgot about that my brain is full of DHT in the moment

So you just recommend HCG with DHT gel with no test base? I saw some shit saying HCG can cause premature growth plate closure but it was a random grey, I'll do my own research on it later

HCG acts as the endogenous test base pretty much
I dont think it could cause your growth plates to close, maybe from the higher aromatization blabla but nothing specially caused from HCG

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Ehh rep za thread bro post rep ratio and shit..

So it is pretty hard to absolutely nuke your DHT because your brain and penis depends on it very much, but if you get no sides its okay and the slight increase of natty test would be good enough to compensate in other areas
trying to cope with cialis for penis maybe and viagra in some situations
for brain just look into nootropics and maybe use allopregananolone because lack of 5ar inhibits its production and its important for brain

aren’t you against nuking dht until like 25 years old or something? I think I saw you saying this, and showing clavicle growth example (though idk if clavicle growth is even due to dht, i don’t think it is due to the study about one having 5AR deficiency, and others normal and both having same frame)

It can cuck your brain by giving you more brain fog, less mental clarity, less drive for things like in the gym less focus, less dominance,..

It is caused by a combination of the lack of 5ar (5ar converts other things than just T -> DHT too) and DHT

If hair + skin >>> slightly worse performing brain
then nuke it
just be sure of the risks
@chadisbeingmade

I am aware of the brain sides, but isn’t that only with Duta if you inhibit type 1 and 2? Realistically fuck your brain though regarless, not worth hair loss. I don’t have skin issues.

 

[Jonas2k7]

aren’t you against nuking dht until like 25 years old or something? I think I saw you saying this, and showing clavicle growth example (though idk if clavicle growth is even due to dht, i don’t think it is due to the study about one having 5AR deficiency, and others normal and both having same frame)

Yeah I was against nuking DHT before 25, but I changed my mind after reading more
5ar is only in certain tissues like prostate, skin, scalp, penis -> meaning DHT cant exert its effects on bone or muscle making it useless for that

I am aware of the brain sides, but isn’t that only with Duta if you inhibit type 1 and 2? Realistically fuck your brain though regarless, not worth hair loss. I don’t have skin issues.

I would still recommend dut over fin as PFS is only seen in fin patients also because the distribution of the inhibition of more types of 5ar is more equal causing less sides

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

My bad nigga I forgot about that my brain is full of DHT in the moment

HCG acts as the endogenous test base pretty much
I dont think it could cause your growth plates to close, maybe from the higher aromatization blabla but nothing specially caused from HCG

Thanks for the tipp bhaii, didn't know that tbh

I'll do more research on it

 

[Jonas2k7]

Thanks for the tipp bhaii, didn't know that tbh

I'll do more research on it

No problem my nigga let me know if you want to know some shit regarding hormones or roids or literally anything tbh

 

[Jonas2k7]

@Underdog9494 rep

 

[Underdog9494]

@Underdog9494 rep

Nah bro not now

 

[castizo_ascender]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

View attachment 3575754
Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth

Mirin logic and common sense

Substances that work by inhibiting dht have known effects which necessarily means dht causes the opposite effect of anything that inhibits it

 

[castizo_ascender]

Character development bro

 

[Jonas2k7]

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Character development bro

(I made that image btw)

 

[Cleetus Cornfield]

im gonna hop on fin when I get the chance to in like 2 weeks.

Its so fucking cheap as well

 

[Jonas2k7]

im gonna hop on fin when I get the chance to in like 2 weeks.

Its so fucking cheap as well

Or hop on Dutasteride, with fin you risk PFS with dut you don't. Your choice

 

[tweaqo]

idk but I'm blasting myself with 10% DHT gel

where