Another Day, Another DHT Discussion

[Cleetus Cornfield]

Or hop on Dutasteride, with fin you risk PFS with dut you don't. Your choice

why would I start off with strong shit without trailing the weaker but cheaper option to begin with?

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

Just hGH. Also bhai why would I be scared of pinning I literally did lipolab

I already have all the needles and pins.

So you just recommend HCG with DHT gel with no test base? I saw some shit saying HCG can cause premature growth plate closure but it was a random grey, I'll do my own research on it later

it wont, its just increases fh and lsh and then increases test production in body

 

[GrainMunchingGoy]

looksmin.org
Fr tho how are people unnaturally nuking their male hormones hiding their head in the sand pretending its not gonna ruin you especially over the long term

 

[20/04/2008]

it wont, its just increases fh and lsh and then increases test production in body

Hcg increase lh only
That why i use hmg or injecteble Fsh

 

[PrimalPlasty]

1. check if you have balding genes
If so:
Below 18yo -> Take no action
After 19 -> Start taking Fin

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

I wanna take Fin/Dut so bad but I'm only 19 and don't want to nuke my sex drive, brain, or motivation

 

[davinci]

It can cuck your brain by giving you more brain fog, less mental clarity, less drive for things like in the gym less focus, less dominance,..

It is caused by a combination of the lack of 5ar (5ar converts other things than just T -> DHT too) and DHT

If hair + skin >>> slightly worse performing brain
then nuke it
just be sure of the risks
@chadisbeingmade

hey bro, i know you're giga iq in this topic, can I ask you something?

How much mental performance / clarity and drive you lose on dut? Like is it very slight or do you actually feel your brain rotting?
Is it 100% certain that you experience those symptoms while on it?
I'm looking into starting using it but I absolutely need my peak mental performance now and for the future

 

[davinci]

looksmin.org
Fr tho how are people unnaturally nuking their male hormones hiding their head in the sand pretending its not gonna ruin you especially over the long term

ok but what's another solution to hairloss?

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

@Underdog9494 rep

can u drop some steroid sources

im trying to buy some test but my usual greedy ass jewish source is making me pay fucking 200$ for a 70$ they need to unbreathemaxx

 

[narex054]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

View attachment 3575754
Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth

Bump

 

[Jonas2k7]

hey bro, i know you're giga iq in this topic, can I ask you something?

How much mental performance / clarity and drive you lose on dut? Like is it very slight or do you actually feel your brain rotting?
Is it 100% certain that you experience those symptoms while on it?
I'm looking into starting using it but I absolutely need my peak mental performance now and for the future

I explained it well in the other replies, go check them out.

But it really isn't something we could put into a certain number, most people seem to be fine on Dut. If you want to make sure you get no mental sides, supplement allopregnanolone and look into nootropics.

 

[Hexmask]

Or hop on Dutasteride, with fin you risk PFS with dut you don't. Your choice

Deadass?

 

[Jonas2k7]

Deadass?

Yes, Fin has more side effects in that aspect.

 

[Hexmask]

Yes, Fin has more side effects in that aspect.

Oh I thought they both were about the same chances of sides, except dut just lasts longer in your system with its 5 week half life.

Its funny too, my opinion has sort of changed just like yours. I used to hate on DHT until I took dutasteride and it fucked me up. I started realizing that if sides are a thing then that alone proves DHT isn't worthless after puberty. I think for some it might be worse then others when suppressing 5ar and it all comes down to genetics. Some people feel fine while others want to off themselves. So its best to start with fin and if its a negligible amount then YOU decide if hair and skin is worth slightly worsening your mental state. And or lower the dose of course.

 

[Hexmask]

Not to mention im still waiting for my brain to fully recover lol. I still have memory issues like I genuinely cannot remember shit to save my life it feels like I have been in a blur since I was on dut. I wish you could directly supplement allopregnenolone but the only thing you can take is pregnenolone but that converts into a lot and you don't know what its converting to.

 

[Jonas2k7]

Oh I thought they both were about the same chances of sides, except dut just lasts longer in your system with its 5 week half life.

Dut blocks more types of 5AR, and thus has unique side effects when compared to Fin.

Its funny too, my opinion has sort of changed just like yours. I used to hate on DHT until I took dutasteride and it fucked me up.

Yeah obviously nigga, DHT has its place in the body. If you experience side effects the only thing you can do is take other stuff to combat them or drop the 5ARI. Its on you to decide whether Hair, skin VS Brain, penis

5ARIs can make you have watery cum too as a natty.

I started realizing that if sides are a thing then that alone proves DHT isn't worthless after puberty.

It never was worthless, it is just a trade off we in side effects we genetically cucked people have to either take or not, like I said hair and skin VS brain and penis function, the choice is yours.

I think for some it might be worse then others when suppressing 5ar and it all comes down to genetics. Some people feel fine while others want to off themselves. So its best to start with fin and if its a negligible amount then YOU decide if hair and skin is worth slightly worsening your mental state. And or lower the dose of course.

The thing is Fin can be worse than Dut in terms of side effects.

Not to mention im still waiting for my brain to fully recover lol. I still have memory issues like I genuinely cannot remember shit to save my life it feels like I have been in a blur since I was on dut.

Brutal, how was the hair loss beforehand? At what NW did you start?

I wish you could directly supplement allopregnenolone but the only thing you can take is pregnenolone but that converts into a lot and you don't know what its converting to.

You can directly supplement allopregnanolone though.

Allopregnanolone, the Neuromodulator Turned Therapeutic Agent: Thank You, Next? - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Hexmask]

Dut blocks more types of 5AR, and thus has unique side effects when compared to Fin.

Yeah type 1 aswell which is responsible for neurosteroids

Yeah obviously nigga, DHT has its place in the body. If you experience side effects the only thing you can do is take other stuff to combat them or drop the 5ARI. Its on you to decide whether Hair, skin VS Brain, penis

5ARIs can make you have watery cum too as a natty.

It never was worthless, it is just a trade off we in side effects we genetically cucked people have to either take or not, like I said hair and skin VS brain and penis function, the choice is yours.

The thing is Fin can be worse than Dut in terms of side effects.

Brutal, how was the hair loss beforehand? At what NW did you start?

Wasn't even bad at all lmao. Was doing it as a preventative for a test cycle

You can directly supplement allopregnanolone though.

Allopregnanolone, the Neuromodulator Turned Therapeutic Agent: Thank You, Next? - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Where would I source it? I've looked it up. If I can buy it I 100% will maybe it will fix my issues

 

[averagenormie]

This thread is to continue the discussion regarding DHT.

DHT = androgenic (brutal water )

androgenic compounds -> expressing genes that negatively modulate the hair follicle environment -> hair loss

It's that simple. DHT = hair loss

Now some people may say "muh high e2 caused by 5ARIs slows hair loss, not the reduction of DHT itself" but now look at this study

View attachment 3575754
Basically topical E2 = less hair growth
Finasteride = more hair growth

Fin -> Less DHT + secondarily more e2 -> more hair growth

everyone should hop on topical fin or oral dut

 

[Jonas2k7]

Yeah type 1 aswell which is responsible for neurosteroids

Correct.

Wasn't even bad at all lmao. Was doing it as a preventative for a test cycle

For now if you don't want any sides that come along with a 5ARI, I'd recommend topical dutasteride. Because of its molecular weight it won't penetrate your skin and inhibit 5AR in other tissues mostly than the one you applied it to.

Where would I source it? I've looked it up. If I can buy it I 100% will maybe it will fix my issues

Most likely hard to impossible to source.

everyone should hop on topical fin or oral dut

Its the other way around actually, oral fin or topical Dut.

 

[averagenormie]

Its the other way around actually, oral fin or topical Dut.

Dut is superior to fin , topical dut doesn't work

 

[Hexmask]

Correct.

For now if you don't want any sides that come along with a 5ARI, I'd recommend topical dutasteride. Because of its molecular weight it won't penetrate your skin and inhibit 5AR in other tissues mostly than the one you applied it to.

Most likely hard to impossible to source.

Its the other way around actually, oral fin or topical Dut.

Very interesting about the topical dut I didnt think about that. I know theres debate if dut passes the BBB so I imagine its even harder then fin topically. Mirin. Ill use that once the NW reaper gets me.

I just looked into also it seems like it definitely is near impossible to supplement. I've been back on TRT for a week so i'll continue. My brain is already feeling more clear.

 

[davinci]

Dut blocks more types of 5AR, and thus has unique side effects when compared to Fin.

Yeah obviously nigga, DHT has its place in the body. If you experience side effects the only thing you can do is take other stuff to combat them or drop the 5ARI. Its on you to decide whether Hair, skin VS Brain, penis

5ARIs can make you have watery cum too as a natty.

It never was worthless, it is just a trade off we in side effects we genetically cucked people have to either take or not, like I said hair and skin VS brain and penis function, the choice is yours.

The thing is Fin can be worse than Dut in terms of side effects.

Brutal, how was the hair loss beforehand? At what NW did you start?

You can directly supplement allopregnanolone though.

Allopregnanolone, the Neuromodulator Turned Therapeutic Agent: Thank You, Next? - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yeah type 1 aswell which is responsible for neurosteroids

Wasn't even bad at all lmao. Was doing it as a preventative for a test cycle

Where would I source it? I've looked it up. If I can buy it I 100% will maybe it will fix my issues

so theoretically taking finasteride instead of dutasteride would be better to avoid all mental side effects since it tends to block primarily 5ARs type 2?

 

[formergameraddict]

Topical fin good to protect hair? The hims spray

 

[davinci]

so theoretically taking finasteride instead of dutasteride would be better to avoid all mental side effects since it tends to block primarily 5ARs type 2?

@Jonas2k7 what do you think about it?

 

[Jonas2k7]

@Jonas2k7 what do you think about it?

Some people also say that Dut doesn't cross the blood brain barrier anyway, if you don't want any side effects at all costs limit yourself to topical Dutasteride.

 

[Jonas2k7]

Bump, any topics about 5ar or DHT to discuss?

@Hexmask @20/04/2008 @davinci @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @halloweed

Maybe serum DHT, its role is underrated. It can still enter muscle, bone tissue etc.

also DHTs effect on myostatin

also DHTs potential effects on lipids (LDL) in the liver

 

[20/04/2008]

Bump, any topics about 5ar or DHT to discuss?

@Hexmask @20/04/2008 @davinci @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @halloweed

Maybe serum DHT, its role is underrated. It can still enter muscle, bone tissue etc.

also DHTs effect on myostatin

also DHTs potential effects on lipids (LDL) in the liver

No need to rebring that up
Im tired bro
Talk about a new subject like what would be the most ideal steroid cycle for different purposes

 

[Hexmask]

Bump, any topics about 5ar or DHT to discuss?

@Hexmask @20/04/2008 @davinci @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @halloweed

Maybe serum DHT, its role is underrated. It can still enter muscle, bone tissue etc.

also DHTs effect on myostatin

also DHTs potential effects on lipids (LDL) in the liver

DHT is useless for muscle building. 5AR inhibitors can cause side effects but it depends on the persons physiology. If you get sides reduce the dosage or frequency of dosing. If it doesnt work then get off the drug and sides go away. End of story.

 

[Jonas2k7]

DHT is useless for muscle building. 5AR inhibitors can cause side effects but it depends on the persons physiology. If you get sides reduce the dosage or frequency of dosing. If it doesnt work then get off the drug and sides go away. End of story.

Its not like its dogshit bro, if we look at DHB it affects muscle building too. DHT does it obviously to a lesser degree than testosterone but there is an effect on muscle building. Also the adrenaline pathway, neurosteroids affect training quality immensily

 

[Hexmask]

Its not like its dogshit bro, if we look at DHB it affects muscle building too. DHT does it obviously to a lesser degree than testosterone but there is an effect on muscle building. Also the adrenaline pathway, neurosteroids affect training quality immensily

Sure you could argue that if fin were to affect your neurosteroids that you would train with less intensity or have less drive but pure muscle building...no. DHT is rapidly metabolized 3-alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase in muscle tissue.

 

[Jonas2k7]

Sure you could argue that if fin were to affect your neurosteroids that you would train with less intensity or have less drive but pure muscle building...no. DHT is rapidly metabolized 3-alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase in muscle tissue.

Thats two different things bro, so you agree it affects mental wellbeing / drive in the gym.

Also if you were to say that 3ahd metobalizes DHT that quickly, that would mean that DHB wouldnt have any benefits coming from Boldenone though it does.

 

[Hexmask]

Thats two different things bro, so you agree it affects mental wellbeing / drive in the gym.

Also if you were to say that 3ahd metobalizes DHT that quickly, that would mean that DHB wouldnt have any benefits coming from Boldenone though it does.

boldenone is a testosterone derivitave. And I will stand by it, DHT will not help you in muscle building. And I said it will affect wellbeing and drive in the gym IF you get those sides.

 

[Jonas2k7]

boldenone is a testosterone derivitave. And I will stand by it, DHT will not help you in muscle building. And I said it will affect wellbeing and drive in the gym IF you get those sides.

Boldenone = T derivate, DI FUCKING HYDRO BOLDENONE is structurally similar to DHT!!!

 

[flippasav]

No wonder why high DHT makes me feel horrible lowering it and upping both T and E2 made me feel over the moon

 

[Hexmask]

Boldenone = T derivate, DI FUCKING HYDRO BOLDENONE is structurally similar to DHT!!!

By your logic then, finasteride should help with DHT derivitave induced hairloss. Derivitates are completely different from actual DHT. Same with testosterone. Your not getting my point. Of course masteron, EQ, or any of those will give you fucking gains. Every steroid invented was to be better then testosterone. They are as YOU said structurally similar. DHT will NOT make you more gains.

If you want the study on this let me know, because im tired of people in this forum trying to argue for DHT. I agree, suppressing 5ar can have libido and mental sides, but gains wise its no different. Look at pictures of people born with 5ar deficiencies.