Any advice?

[giddle]

 

[shngstaaaa107]

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Lose weight is an obvious one, you can debloat on top of that, mirin hair but shave ur beard and stache, hit the gym, try some hyoid exercises for more defined jaw. mmtn potential maybe more

 

[giddle]

What’s mirin hair? and you know any hyoid exercises

 

[zemult]

LTN

 

[WellKnownChudlite]

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sub 5, you have decent bone mass it's just hidden by high bf. biggest ascension I'd start with would just be losing a bunch of weight.

 

[Swarthy Knight]

LTN

That's lenient (respectfully)

 

[zemult]

That's lenient (respectfully)

You can see ugly ethnics like OP pretty frequently in job settings etc

He's pretty average just the ugly end

Bottom 15-20% ish

 

[topology]

You can see ugly ethnics like OP pretty frequently in job settings etc

He's pretty average just the ugly end

Bottom 15-20% ish

this guy is literally at a place where only people with deformities would rival him. he is not mogging 20-15 people out of 100 people on the street, you overinflate ratings by a large bit

 

[zemult]

this guy is literally at a place where only people with deformities would rival him. he is not mogging 20-15 people out of 100 people on the street, you overinflate ratings by a large bit

Lol yeah I'm sure OP is deformity tier

Leave it to the grey "topology" to figure it out

I'd be surprised if you ever step a foot outside, you were also suggesting the person on the other thread was below MTN despite half the comments suggesting otherwise. Do this forum a favor and leave before you have anyone else lose more braincells

 

[topology]

Lol yeah I'm sure OP is deformity tier

Leave it to the grey "topology" to figure it out

I'd be surprised if you ever step a foot outside, you were also suggesting the person on the other thread was below MTN despite half the comments suggesting otherwise. Do this forum a favor and leave before you have anyone else lose more braincells

not even gonna argue with someone that fails to rate within 2 tiers. use the "grey" argument to back up your terrible ratings bhai i'm sure it won't make you look like even more of a moron

 

[wrestle.cel]

Leave it to the grey "topology" to figure it out

Hes not wrong though

The guy is fucking subhuman and inflating the rating wont help him.

Do this forum a favor and leave before you have anyone else lose more braincells

Retarded nigga, jfl if you think this guy is "average"

 

[CoolMan78]

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nice hair bro

 

[zemult]

not even gonna argue with someone that fails to rate within 2 tiers. use the "grey" argument to back up your terrible ratings bhai i'm sure it won't make you look like even more of a moron

Since you still fail to understand I'll give you an example that even kindergartners can grasp

Put OP's face against any actual textbook LTN with the same pheno

Clearly looksmatches them

Now let's put him up against actual subhumans

OP very clearly mogs them

You're just one of those delusional underrating greys that try to be overly critical to appear smart jfl. He is not deformed, he is some normal ugly guy you would see outside.

It’s obvious you’re new here. I get it, you're desperately trying to earn credibility by acting like you know everything about facial analysis. Nobody ever cared about sub-tiers before TikTok exploded the forum's popularity - MTN vs. High MTN is literally the same tier. The fact you’re pretending that distinction means the world just exposes how clueless you are jfl.

Oh Becky, I'm High MTN not MTN, you can fuck me now!

 

[topology]

Since you still fail to understand I'll give you an example that even kindergartners can grasp

Put OP's face against any actual textbook LTN with the same pheno

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Clearly looksmatches them

Now let's put him up against actual subhumans

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OP very clearly mogs them

You're just one of those delusional underrating greys that try to be overly critical to appear smart jfl. He is not deformed, he is some normal ugly guy you would see outside.

It’s obvious you’re new here. I get it, you're desperately trying to earn credibility by acting like you know everything about facial analysis. Nobody ever cared about sub-tiers before TikTok exploded the forum's popularity - MTN vs. High MTN is literally the same tier. The fact you’re pretending that distinction means the world just exposes how clueless you are jfl.

Oh Becky, I'm High MTN not MTN, you can fuck me now!

quite hypocritical jfl at this sub 75iq user with 9k posts

 

[zemult]

Hes not wrong though

The guy is fucking subhuman and inflating the rating wont help him.

Retarded nigga, jfl if you think this guy is "average"

Another clueless grey seeing an ugly ethnic and saying he's "subhuman" to act like the Albert Einstein of rating, when he is clearly not deformed and will not get any extra unwanted attention for his looks. Invisible average ugly ethnic. Not a hard concept to grasp.

 

[topology]

Another clueless grey seeing an ugly ethnic and saying he's "subhuman" to act like the Albert Einstein of rating, when he is clearly not deformed and will not get any extra unwanted attention for his looks. Invisible average ugly ethnic. Not a hard concept to grasp.

in one ear and out the other for the justification used to cover up your subhuman rating skills

 

[wrestle.cel]

grey

The amount of posts you have doesnt mean shit because 90% of members spam bbc cuck porn. Youre not higher iq for having 9k posts.

average ugly ethnic

Calling him subhuman isn't a far stretch

 

[98771245]

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I almost forgot how ugly jay z is

 

[zemult]

in one ear and out the other for the justification used to cover up your subhuman rating skills

Ran out of arguments (as if you had any to begin with), now you're resorting to saying the same thing over and over like an ape. It's alright I would fold too.

You're either ragebaiting or mentally retarded, no in-between.

The amount of posts you have doesnt mean shit because 90% of members spam bbc cuck porn. Youre not higher iq for having 9k posts.

Calling him subhuman isn't a far stretch

He's ugly, but suggesting he's anywhere in the deformity tier is being aesthetically dishonest lol.

 

[wrestle.cel]

aesthetically dishonest

I wouldnt call it horribly dishonest. Hes in that range. How about instead of arguing someone give him advice on improvements like he asked

 

[zemult]

I wouldnt call it horribly dishonest. Hes in that range. How about instead of arguing someone give him advice on improvements like he asked

he is not in that range put him against any other person in the deformed tier and he's clearly mogging them by a tier lol

 

[zemult]

as for advice there's not much he can do besides losing weight

 

[Bryce]

in one ear and out the other for the justification used to cover up your subhuman rating skills

He's LTN not subhuman

 

[osiris00]

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proper grooming would go a long way

 

[zemult]

He's LTN not subhuman

The grey IQ is getting progressively worse tbh, got gaslighted by 2 different greys for suggesting OP isn't some deformed subhuman JFL

You can literally go outside and find multiple people that are on the same tier as OP

 

[tapist]

Lol yeah I'm sure OP is deformity tier

Leave it to the grey "topology" to figure it out

I'd be surprised if you ever step a foot outside, you were also suggesting the person on the other thread was below MTN despite half the comments suggesting otherwise. Do this forum a favor and leave before you have anyone else lose more braincells

quit lying to urself brah literally take one look at the dude and you can tell its over.

niggas say anything instead of going based off facts you retarded troglodyte

 

[topology]

quit lying to urself brah literally take one look at the dude and you can tell its over.

niggas say anything instead of going based off facts you retarded troglodyte

not even joking i did 10 of his ratios and not a single one was ideal. maybe a single one out of the 10 wasn't death tier keep in mind i didn't do "irrelevant ones" that contribute to like 10% of harmony added up tops

"BRO GO OUTSIDE AND YOU'LL SEE MULTIPLE PEOPLE LIKE HIM!!!!" literally outting yourself as living in mumbai, not even canada has people as bad as this on the streets. get a grip if you think this is ltn

 

[topology]

not even joking i did 10 of his ratios and not a single one was ideal. maybe a single one out of the 10 wasn't death tier keep in mind i didn't do "irrelevant ones" that contribute to like 10% of harmony added up tops

"BRO GO OUTSIDE AND YOU'LL SEE MULTIPLE PEOPLE LIKE HIM!!!!" literally outting yourself as living in mumbai, not even canada has people as bad as this on the streets. get a grip if you think this is ltn

@Bryce @zemult

go ahead and calculate his harmony and come back once you're done. unless you think having a large majority of your ratios as death tier makes you ltn, suck my dick. literally 0 angularity, 0 harmony, etc.

 

[Rothschild]

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r u open to surgery?

 

[zemult]

not even joking i did 10 of his ratios and not a single one was ideal. maybe a single one out of the 10 wasn't death tier keep in mind i didn't do "irrelevant ones" that contribute to like 10% of harmony added up tops

"BRO GO OUTSIDE AND YOU'LL SEE MULTIPLE PEOPLE LIKE HIM!!!!" literally outting yourself as living in mumbai, not even canada has people as bad as this on the streets. get a grip if you think this is ltn

You're outing yourself more and more as a rambling greycel lol

Muhhhh 10 ratios, even if your ape brain had any semblance of an idea on how to measure harmony you're still doing it on a selfie photo which makes it almost irrelevant

 

[topology]

You're outing yourself more and more as a rambling greycel lol

Muhhhh 10 ratios, even if your ape brain had any semblance of an idea on how to measure harmony you're still doing it on a selfie photo which makes it almost irrelevant

so you literally cannot name a single reason why he's an ltn & then claim i'm the moron.

doubt you're even able to analyze to begin with. you can suck my dick now as you refuse to bring valid arguments

 

[DarnislaVbRuv]

This nigga deadass looks like cuffem

 

[zemult]

so you literally cannot name a single reason why he's an ltn & then claim i'm the moron.

doubt you're even able to analyze to begin with. you can suck my dick now as you refuse to bring valid arguments

You clearly suffer from Alzheimer's, I did prove it already.

You haven't provided any argument that he's deformed, just "10 ratios" you haven't explained because it would make you look like a moron.

 

[topology]

You clearly suffer from Alzheimer's, I did prove it already.

You haven't provided any argument that he's deformed, just "10 ratios" you haven't explained because it would make you look like a moron.

your argument is based off subjective standards while mine is off objective standards you iqlet.

do you want me to show the ratios i measured and prove how he's sub human? would that satisfy that small brain of yours?

 

[sideprofilecell]

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This nigga deadass looks like cuffem

bro thats way to far, idk if we have a rating to describe cuffem bro

 

[areayes]

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mogged

 

[greycel]

your argument is based off subjective standards while mine is off objective standards you iqlet.

do you want me to show the ratios i measured and prove how he's sub human? would that satisfy that small brain of yours?

Lower your ego. Your objective standards are subjective lol

Visualizing Harmony

Harmony is a difficult concept to picture. We've heard this word get thrown around a lot in this forum for many years. What should be realised is this extends beyond looks, and even the visual. I would argue it's a measure of equilibrium In visual aesthetics for humans, Harmony can be...

looksmax.org

 

[topology]

Lower your ego. Your objective standards are subjective lol

Visualizing Harmony

Harmony is a difficult concept to picture. We've heard this word get thrown around a lot in this forum for many years. What should be realised is this extends beyond looks, and even the visual. I would argue it's a measure of equilibrium In visual aesthetics for humans, Harmony can be...

looksmax.org

nice post, i agree with what is said inside.

my question is how would you try to measure harmony then past just "accounting for the issues with harmony calculators" and "
So you would need to introduce another continuous field over this 2d domain?" it sounds very difficult to do that

lastly, are you lumping the entire face into the concept of harmony — meaning harmony is just the result of everything interacting with everything else? if so, then this argument becomes useless, because we’d have no real way to measure it by your standard

if not, then his “dimo” and “angularity” are complete garbage, which only reinforces what i said

 

[greycel]

nice post, i agree with what is said inside.

my question is how would you try to measure harmony then past just "accounting for the issues with harmony calculators" and "
So you would need to introduce another continuous field over this 2d domain?" it sounds very difficult to do that

It's too intricate you're right. There are some ways but I'm not sure if they're feasible. My best bet is simply exploring the branches deeper
There's a lot of interdependence that gets washed out with current calculators

lastly, are you lumping the entire face into the concept of harmony — meaning harmony is just the result of everything interacting with everything else? if so, then this argument becomes useless, because we’d have no real way to measure it by your standard

if not, then his “dimo” and “angularity” are complete garbage, which only reinforces what i said

For that method of rating using more than 1 metric, check my posts in this thread:

Rate this Asian dude (mogger)

I think hes high htn @pfl @Glorious King @slaters @lastofus123 @Jason Voorhees

looksmax.org

I've been meaning to make it into a seperate thread so more users stop giving inconsistent rates, but I'm tired from the one I wrote up today
In my last reply I give the method to how I rate

 

[topology]

It's too intricate you're right. There are some ways but I'm not sure if they're feasible. My best bet is simply exploring the branches deeper
There's a lot of interdependence that gets washed out with current calculators


For that method of rating using more than 1 metric, check my posts in this thread:

Rate this Asian dude (mogger)

I think hes high htn @pfl @Glorious King @slaters @lastofus123 @Jason Voorhees

looksmax.org

I've been meaning to make it into a seperate thread so more users stop giving inconsistent rates, but I'm tired from the one I wrote up today
In my last reply I give the method to how I rate

your method is basically what i do too from what i understand — using people (ones i see outside and ones whose ratings aren’t debated) as reference points and building from there. obviously there’s bias; newgens usually overrate angularity, others have racial preferences, etc. because of that, there’s really no way to objectively rate someone right now, so no one’s right or wrong — unless it’s something extreme like an ltn vs a chad

so, what would you rate this guy that i originally said was sub human?

also, my bad for the late response, i read the entire thread + was eating a good portion of the time

 

[zemult]

your argument is based off subjective standards while mine is off objective standards you iqlet.

do you want me to show the ratios i measured and prove how he's sub human? would that satisfy that small brain of yours?

You're genuinely the most challenged user I've ever talked with on here. You're so confidently incorrect it's hilarious.

First of all, these ratios you use are not "objective" like you're trying to claim. For example, OP can take a picture from a distance, and change the so-called ratios you measure altogether. The fact you struggle so hard to understand this is insane. You are doing math off of photos that can have their conditions changed at any moment you fucking moron. The closest thing to objectivity would be scans that surgeons go off of, because photo error and more is accounted for.

Not only that but these "ratios" literally have a subjective range of ideal that were chosen by humans. You can talk to multiple users on here, one of them will have the opinion that a chin to philtrum of 2.5 is ideal, whilst another will say that 2 is closer to ideal. They literally argue about whether a long midface or a compact midface is more ideal (muh "tall skull"). Apart from certain ratios like ESR which is backed by science to be around 0.46 I believe, it is all science fiction at the end of the day. Does that mean I don't believe something like negative canthal tilt looks like shit? No, you have your own right to that opinion, I do think there's a blatant pattern where people with NCT look like shit. Claiming that it's objective on the other hand is just fucking retarded.

Furthermore, anyone comparing OP visually to the LTN/Subhuman tier can clearly see he fits way more in the LTN tier. The only people that have agreed with you so far are other challenged greycels like yourself

 

[greycel]

your method is basically what i do too from what i understand — using people (ones i see outside and ones whose ratings aren’t debated) as reference points and building from there. obviously there’s bias; newgens usually overrate angularity, others have racial preferences, etc. because of that, there’s really no way to objectively rate someone right now, so no one’s right or wrong — unless it’s something extreme like an ltn vs a chad

so, what would you rate this guy that i originally said was sub human?

also, my bad for the late response, i read the entire thread + was eating a good portion of the time

Low-Mid LTN
Mogs 5-10% of guys in West

 

[topology]

The closest thing to objectivity would be scans that surgeons go off of, because photo error and more is accounted for.

photo error isn’t substantial enough to make him have death-tier ratios by every measure, iqlet. and yeah, ratios can be subjective, but there’s still a reasonable range that can be objectively determined. you’d have to be brain-dead to say a 1:1 chin-to-philtrum ratio looks good. objectively, a 0.1 esr is hideous — are you going to debate that saying "it can look good depending on the other features!!! trust me bro! it's the full picture!?"

Furthermore, anyone comparing OP visually to the LTN/Subhuman tier can clearly see he fits way more in the LTN tier. The only people that have agreed with you so far are other challenged greycels like yourself

agree with me = 150 iq, disagree with me = iqlet. lovely argument. i'd take everyone in the ltn category over him, and even the third guy in the subhuman category over him.

lastly, you literally liked the post where the guy said ratings right now have little to no merit due to skewed perception and harmony being calculated incorrectly, and then you go on to think of yourself as the exception. the guy also rated him lltn, while i rated him subhuman, which further emphasizes his point about biases and the lack of any true way to get an exact rating. this is a matter of one micro-rank of difference, which is entirely subjective which makes this argument useless

 

[zemult]

Lower your ego. Your objective standards are subjective lol

Visualizing Harmony

Harmony is a difficult concept to picture. We've heard this word get thrown around a lot in this forum for many years. What should be realised is this extends beyond looks, and even the visual. I would argue it's a measure of equilibrium In visual aesthetics for humans, Harmony can be...

looksmax.org

Very good thread. The way I think about it is this:

Beauty itself is objective, but you can't simplify it completely with math and apply that same standard to all human skulls

There are some things that our human brains can't comprehend, which is why looking at a face sometimes will always give you the best base rating

Ratios & putting everything on paper is the best that we can do to attempt to get an objective rating, along with getting the best photo conditions possible (good distance, good lens, lighting),. But all the faces that we rate will never be objective no matter how much we would want it to be. For example, you will always get different ratings between raters. Only once you reach that massive gap of Ugly vs. Chad, you start to see everyone unanimously start to agree because it's all just instantly noticeable to the eye

 

[zemult]

photo error isn’t substantial enough to make him have death-tier ratios by every measure, iqlet. and yeah, ratios can be subjective, but there’s still a reasonable range that can be objectively determined. you’d have to be brain-dead to say a 1:1 chin-to-philtrum ratio looks good. objectively, a 0.1 esr is hideous — are you going to debate that saying "it can look good depending on the other features!!! trust me bro! it's the full picture!?"

He does not have death-tier ratios by every measure jfl. Chin to philtrum is ideal, Mouth to nose ratio is ideal for his phenotype (pretty good considering it's a SELFIE PHOTO). You're just being aesthetically dishonest to try and prove your dogshit argument that only your fellow pajeet greys agree with.

agree with me = 150 iq, disagree with me = iqlet. lovely argument. i'd take everyone in the ltn category over him, and even the third guy in the subhuman category over him.

lastly, you literally liked the post where the guy said ratings right now have little to no merit due to skewed perception and harmony being calculated incorrectly, and then you go on to think of yourself as the exception. the guy also rated him lltn, while i rated him subhuman, which further emphasizes his point about biases and the lack of any true way to get an exact rating. this is a matter of one micro-rank of difference, which is entirely subjective which makes this argument useless

All of this is quite rich coming from the one who quoted my post originally whining that I "over inflate ratings", only to backtrack and say that it's "one micro-rank of difference" so it doesn't matter. If anything you're the one that should take the thread to heart, especially with your so-called "objective measurements" that prove he's lower on your micro-ranking scale.

Do this forum a favor and delete your account. Waste of my fucking time

 

[zemult]

@greycel Did I ever say once that my ratings use objective measurements and are fact?

How is this nigga trying to switch this to be my fault

These new users are so fucking retarded lol

 

[greycel]

@greycel Did I ever say once that my ratings use objective measurements and are fact?

How is this nigga trying to switch this to be my fault

These new users are so fucking retarded lol

I haven't read your argument with @topology
Though it's weird.. if you both agree with me, you likely agree with each other

Also maybe the discrepancy between your rates is because you use different % reference points for looks tiers
It's maybe simpler if you both say what % of guys in the West he mogs

 

[zemult]

I haven't read your argument with @topology
Though it's weird.. if you both agree with me, you likely agree with each other

Also maybe the discrepancy between your rates is because you use different % reference points for looks tiers
It's maybe simpler if you both say what % of guys in the West he mogs

The TLDR is that I rated OP LTN and he said that I overinflate ratings by a large bit

Now he's saying that a LTN rating is a micro-tier from his rating lol

 

[greycel]

The TLDR is that I rated OP LTN and he said that I overinflate ratings by a large bit

Now he's saying that a LTN rating is a micro-tier from his rating lol

It's simpler if you both say what percentile he is relative to others in society

 

[swt]