Any hope

[toshiya]

I am 16.10 same height as my father.
Would 3.3IU of hgh and an AI dailymake me grow taller
I have always shown sign of low estrogen(depression,lack of motivation,libido,dry skin,irritability and oversleeping)
Any hope

 

[Deleted member 22829]

You mean low testosterone?

 

[SuperDavidGangbang]

isn't testo that is responsible for that?

 

[toshiya]

You mean low testosterone?

I’m hairy af i probably don’t have low T

 

[Deleted member 22829]

I’m hairy af i probably don’t have low T

This doesnt mean your not Low T, before I started raising my test and I was giga soy I was still a hairy gorilla

 

[toshiya]

This doesnt mean your not Low T, before I started raising my test and I was giga soy I was still a hairy gorilla

so i should hop on test-e

 

[Deleted member 22829]

so i should hop on test-e

No, you can raise your test naturally. I almost doubled it in about 6 months without the use of roids.

 

[toshiya]

No, you can raise your test naturally. I almost doubled it in about 6 months without the use of roids.

Man idgaf abt my test i’m hairy have an above average frame and good muscle building genetics
I’m just concerned abt my heigh

 

[Deleted member 22829]

Man idgaf abt my test i’m hairy have an above average frame and good muscle building genetics
I’m just concerned abt my heigh

HGH

 

[Wiqfi]

how'd you raise your test naturally?

No, you can raise your test naturally. I almost doubled it in about 6 months without the use of roids.

 

[rand anon]

 

[toshiya]

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[rand anon]

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Bored

 

[Deleted member 22829]

how'd you raise your test naturally?

ashwagandha, d3, zinc, iron, magnesium, weight lifting, red meat diet, extremely high protein diet, very good rest, and clean diet.

 

[Wiqfi]

ashwagandha, d3, zinc, iron, magnesium, weight lifting, red meat diet, extremely high protein diet, very good rest, and clean diet.

how much ashwaganda did you take

 

[Deleted member 22829]

how much ashwaganda did you take

1200mg daily

 

[Deleted member 22829]

how much ashwaganda did you take

I am also 15 btw

 

[Deleted member 24712]

I am also 15 btw

doesnt ashwaghanda increase T levels which will also increase estro levels which will fuse ur plates?

 

[Deleted member 22829]

doesnt ashwaghanda increase T levels which will also increase estro levels which will fuse ur plates?

Balanced hormones wont fuse my plates.

 

[Deleted member 22829]

Do you mind explaining the science behind this? I dont think my T or E levels are high enough to prematurely close them.

doesnt ashwaghanda increase T levels which will also increase estro levels which will fuse ur plates?

 

[Deleted member 24712]

Do you mind explaining the science behind this? I dont think my T or E levels are high enough to prematurely close them.

test often aromatizes to estrogen to balance ur hormones out (pretty sure thats why)
so if you raise ur test with something like ashwag, then ur estrog will also raise - which leads to higher estrog WHICH causes premature plate fusion

this is why bodybuilders that inject T use ai's, to avoid the higher estrog from the aromatization

 

[Deleted member 22829]

test often aromatizes to estrogen to balance ur hormones out (pretty sure thats why)
so if you raise ur test with something like ashwag, then ur estrog will also raise - which leads to higher estrog WHICH causes premature plate fusion

this is why bodybuilders that inject T use ai's, to avoid the higher estrog from the aromatization

Then again, do you think ashwagandha is really strong enough? All it does it lower your cortisol. And cortisol can stop HGH and T production

if you have high cortisol, it will stop any test production, therefore lowering it will give you what your supposed to have.

 

[Deleted member 24712]

Then again, do you think ashwagandha is really strong enough? All it does it lower your cortisol. And cortisol can stop HGH and T production

if you have high cortisol, it will stop any test production, therefore lowering it will give you what your supposed to have.

thats what i was asking u bud, u use the ashwag not me...

 

[Deleted member 22829]

thats what i was asking u bud, u use the ashwag not me...

Well, lowering cortisol will only improve your growth, it might actually be good.

 

[Deleted member 24712]

Well, lowering cortisol will only improve your growth, it might actually be good.

yea but theres other ways to lower cortisol without risking the possibility of increased aromatization

but hey, u do u

 

[Deleted member 22829]

yea but theres other ways to lower cortisol without risking the possibility of increased aromatization

but hey, u do u

Such as what?

 

[Deleted member 22829]

yea but theres other ways to lower cortisol without risking the possibility of increased aromatization

but hey, u do u

Also lowering estrogen is also an option.

 

[Deleted member 24712]

Also lowering estrogen is also an option.

unnaturally lowering ur estrogen will cause even more aromatization lol
unless its an ai which spsdly stops aromatization (idk how ai's work dont ask)

Such as what?

theanine, personally it didn't work for me but for my father it works great
u should try it out as its just an amino acid so basically 0 side effects

 

[Deleted member 22829]

unnaturally lowering ur estrogen will cause even more aromatization lol
unless its an ai which spsdly stops aromatization (idk how ai's work dont ask)


theanine, personally it didn't work for me but for my father it works great
u should try it out as its just an amino acid so basically 0 side effects

Alright, also im pretty sure very high testosterone can close plates too.

 

[Deleted member 24712]

Alright, also im pretty sure very high testosterone can close plates too.

thats interesting, ive heard quite the opposite - that testosterone encourages height growth?
no clue tho im no endo

 

[Deleted member 22829]

thats interesting, ive heard quite the opposite - that testosterone encourages height growth?
no clue tho im no endo

I’m pretty sure if a sex hormone is too high in general it might cause issues, but thank you! I will try theanine. Do you mean L-theanine or just theanine itself?

 

[Deleted member 24712]

I’m pretty sure if a sex hormone is too high in general it might cause issues, but thank you! I will try theanine. Do you mean L-theanine or just theanine itself?

i think l-theanine and theanine are both the same thing
try to buy from a legit brand tho cuz some might be placebo/fake - i think now foods should be a good one

btw im no scientist but if theanine doesnt work for u then u might have high gaba levels so dont try buying another supplement/drug that involves gabas cuz it'll be useless, dont waste ur money

 

[Deleted member 22829]

i think l-theanine and theanine are both the same thing
try to buy from a legit brand tho cuz some might be placebo/fake - i think now foods should be a good one

btw im no scientist but if theanine doesnt work for u then u might have high gaba levels so dont try buying another supplement/drug that involves gabas cuz it'll be useless, dont waste ur money

Thanks, if you dont mind, could you link some? Also whats gaba

 

[Deleted member 24712]

Thanks, if you dont mind, could you link some? Also whats gaba

Amazon product ASIN B0040B9GBO

gaba is just a neurotransmitter that inhibits stuff, tbh with u i have no idea i just be saying stuff i learned from skimming wikis and other science websites - but the main function is basically sedating / inhibiting anxiety n shit, basically what lowering ur cortisol does.
like iirc, sedative/anti-anxiety drugs like xanax just enhance ur gabas


take all this with a grain of salt, i recommend looking into shit on ur own cuz its quite interesting n useful, im planning to so if u still have questions in a few days ill be able to answer them a lot better

 

[Deleted member 24712]

Amazon product ASIN B0040B9GBO

gaba is just a neurotransmitter that inhibits stuff, tbh with u i have no idea i just be saying stuff i learned from skimming wikis and other science websites - but the main function is basically sedating / inhibiting anxiety n shit, basically what lowering ur cortisol does.
like iirc, sedative/anti-anxiety drugs like xanax just enhance ur gabas


take all this with a grain of salt, i recommend looking into shit on ur own cuz its quite interesting n useful, im planning to so if u still have questions in a few days ill be able to answer them a lot better

the link wont send but just search up now foods l-theanine on amazon

 

[ANDEANCHAD]

Do you mind explaining the science behind this? I dont think my T or E levels are high enough to prematurely close them.

High estrogen levels are proven to close growth plates

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4098010/#sec-14title