Any surgeries you would advise? would it be possible to fix the narrowness that braces did to my face?

[Deleted member 21221]

Want to add some angularity/width and fix what the orthos did. (getting mse for airway benefit already)

 

[Deleted member 21676]

I’m not to well researched in surgeries but You look good bro I’d softmaxx atm before any surgeries

 

[hiwasuwor]

surgery is the antichrist??? watch this scray thread

surgery look scary for blood phobia cels

can you watch this video longer than 10 seconds?

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 16683]

maybe rhino

 

[Deleted member 21221]

maybe rhino

For sure bro. Death tier nose which I never had as a kid.

 

[Deleted member 16683]

For sure bro. Death tier nose which I never had as a kid.

it's probably genetics since u don't look recessed for the most part (to me at least)

 

[Deleted member 21221]

it's probably genetics since u don't look recessed for the most part (to me at least)

Maybe this picture can show it. this side of my face makes my maxilla seem slightly recessed. It's weird because one side of my face mogs the other to oblivion.

 

[Deleted member 16683]

Maybe this picture can show it. this side of my face makes my maxilla seem slightly recessed. It's weird because one side of my face mogs the other to oblivion.

you don't look recessed here to me, your nose just looks large

 

[Deleted member 21221]

you don't look recessed here to me, your nose just looks large

Then a rhinoplasty would be in order. Thank you for the input brother.

 

[SixCRY]

you have short face syndrome, u need bimax with CW.

Either CW by downgrafting anterior maxilla if you lack teeth show, or intrusion from behind.

By doing this your chin will appear less prominent and ull get a slight backward rotation.

It will also resultat in opening ur nasolabial angle that is close.

For your nose, the bimax CW need slight maxilla advancement (2/3mm), so it will appear less bigger.

 

[Deleted member 21221]

you have short face syndrome, u need bimax with CW.

Either CW by downgrafting anterior maxilla if you lack teeth show, or intrusion from behind.

By doing this your chin will appear less prominent and ull get a slight backward rotation.

It will also resultat in opening ur nasolabial angle that is close.

For your nose, the bimax CW need slight maxilla advancement (2/3mm), so it will appear less bigger.

Interesting. I have two other front facing pictures which I believe show that I have a long midface. Can you explain what "short face syndrome" means.

 

[ChristianChad]

Interesting. I have two other front facing pictures which I believe show that I have a long midface. Can you explain what "short face syndrome" means.

its not exactly a scientific term and i didnt notice you have it personally.

for widening face EASE procedure (also most airway improvement out of all the expanders and SAPRE etc.) and zygo implants. EASE you can get for around 5K Euro in Germany. where are you from? if EASE is available in your country you can get it covered/ partly covered by insurance

MSE worsens asymmetry and sometimes doesn't help breathing at all. you're probably too old for it by now aswell

 

[Deleted member 21221]

its not exactly a scientific term and i didnt notice you have it personally.

for widening face EASE procedure (also most airway improvement out of all the expanders and SAPRE etc.) and zygo implants. EASE you can get for around 5K Euro in Germany. where are you from? if EASE is available in your country you can get it covered/ partly covered by insurance

MSE worsens asymmetry and sometimes doesn't help breathing at all. you're probably too old for it by now

Do you think EASE is superior compared to MSE expansion?

 

[ChristianChad]

Do you think EASE is superior compared to MSE expansion?

EASE is the best option for consistent breathing benefits as far as i am aware and was specifically developed to address this effectively. its superior when it comes to the expansion that matters for breathing (way far in the back in the nasal region) more then anything else, it also of course widens the maxilla skeletally. I dont know how well it addresses upper maxilla, eye regions, bizygo width etc. , that type of benefit usually has chance to occur when it comes in young adolescents using MSE. but still i recall reading from somewhere there is benefit to cheekbones from EASE, probably not major though and im not 100% sure. that why i think you should also get zygo implants if you want to address facial width, although im not knowledgeable about implants so you should advise about this topic specifically (zygo implants) on the forum aswell to see if maybe you have use for this.

MSE is also very notorious for worsening asymmetry and creating asymmetry out of nowhere, no breathing benefits sometimes and also not consistently high success rate.

also jfl you want to be careful with expansion because your alar base looks huge in that second photo in the original post although i have heard mixed things regarding maxilla expansion causing increased alar base, but EASE most of expansion should not be seen from outside and influence alar base because the expansion is deep in the skull and not seen from outside in terms of nose

 

[Deleted member 21221]

EASE is the best option for consistent breathing benefits as far as i am aware and was specifically developed to address this effectively. its superior when it comes to the expansion that matters for breathing (way far in the back in the nasal region) more then anything else, it also of course widens the maxilla skeletally. I dont know how well it addresses upper maxilla, eye regions, bizygo width etc. , that type of benefit usually has chance to occur when it comes in young adolescents using MSE. but still i recall reading from somewhere there is benefit to cheekbones from EASE, probably not major though and im not 100% sure. that why i think you should also get zygo implants if you want to address facial width, although im not knowledgeable about implants so you should advise about this topic specifically (zygo implants) on the forum aswell to see if maybe you have use for this.

MSE is also very notorious for worsening asymmetry and creating asymmetry out of nowhere, no breathing benefits sometimes and also not consistently high success rate.

also jfl you want to be careful with expansion because your alar base looks huge in that second photo in the original post although i have heard mixed things regarding maxilla expansion causing increased alar base, but EASE most of expansion should not be seen from outside and influence alar base because the expansion is deep in the skull and not seen from outside in terms of nose

Thank you for your input. Much appreciated brother.

 

[crosshold]

you only need a rhino

 

[Deleted member 21221]

EASE is the best option for consistent breathing benefits as far as i am aware and was specifically developed to address this effectively. its superior when it comes to the expansion that matters for breathing (way far in the back in the nasal region) more then anything else, it also of course widens the maxilla skeletally. I dont know how well it addresses upper maxilla, eye regions, bizygo width etc. , that type of benefit usually has chance to occur when it comes in young adolescents using MSE. but still i recall reading from somewhere there is benefit to cheekbones from EASE, probably not major though and im not 100% sure. that why i think you should also get zygo implants if you want to address facial width, although im not knowledgeable about implants so you should advise about this topic specifically (zygo implants) on the forum aswell to see if maybe you have use for this.

MSE is also very notorious for worsening asymmetry and creating asymmetry out of nowhere, no breathing benefits sometimes and also not consistently high success rate.

also jfl you want to be careful with expansion because your alar base looks huge in that second photo in the original post although i have heard mixed things regarding maxilla expansion causing increased alar base, but EASE most of expansion should not be seen from outside and influence alar base because the expansion is deep in the skull and not seen from outside in terms of nose

Do know if EASE has any effect on the width of the palate/smile?

 

[mvp2v1]

Want to add some angularity/width and fix what the orthos did. (getting mse for airway benefit already)

Botox for buccipitors and learn to chew properly for hollow cheeks.

Your nose is your main flaw imo

 

[kramer]

Sarpe for expansion if you truly do have a narrow palate

rhino right after

 

[Deleted member 21221]

Sarpe for expansion if you truly do have a narrow palate

rhino right after

Thank you.

 

[SixCRY]

Interesting. I have two other front facing pictures which I believe show that I have a long midface. Can you explain what "short face syndrome" means.

your occlusale plane ls too straight

if you look from the side view , your mandibule is pretty long and chin extremly strong

If your rotate both jaw clockwise, your chin will rotate slightly backward ans u get better side with less chin projection abd more lower facial height if you have no teeth show

 

[Oberyn]

rhino
infraorbital implant