Any value in adding 50 mg Tren ace?

[decadouche57]

So Im on 1 gram test E right now

I can't use HGH as I just finished surgeries

Ive run 500 test before and I feel ive plateaued on this dose

I also have a bodybuilding coach that Im working with and he advised he to just run Test and GH

However, my fear is that my nutrient partitioning won't be ideal on this stack

I'm wondering if adding 50 mg ace is a good idea to stay lean while bulking and increase nutrient partitioning so I can gain muscle while losing fat

I know there are a lot of sides and appetite can get crushed

Also its a bad idea to add tren to high dose test, better to run low test 1:1 with tren

What are my options? Continue with 1 gram? Or should I add a DHT like provision or Masteron? Im not worried about hair as im NW0 and running Dut and RU58841

@chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas @5.5psl @TitusA

 

[decadouche57]

@m0ss26

 

[aids]

@chadisbeingmade and @SlayerJonas are going to tell you not to add Prov or Mast, nor any DHT deriv.

 

[decadouche57]

@chadisbeingmade and @SlayerJonas are going to tell you not to add Prov or Mast, nor any DHT deriv.

Yeah its low ROI ik I don't have any experience with DHT derivs, I ran 50 mg anavar for 6 weeks I gained a ton of weight and lost fat but it crushed my appetite

 

[5.5psl]

Why are you taking 1000mg test e per week its simply not required beyond 750mg you should rather add other anabolics
and no dont take tren while bulking obv you will get monstrous gains but even 50mg tren a will give you nasty side effects if you are prone to it which is overkill for a bulk

 

[m0ss26]

You can lower the test and just grow on that and GH

don’t use an AI unless you absolutely need to, you want that estrogen high for the GH to do work

If anything I wouldn’t do tren at all unless doing super hard cutting. Mast is probably the only DHT you should even consider using but even then I wouldn’t. Could toss in deca if you want ig, but you’d have to adjust that test/deca ratio.

 

[decadouche57]

Why are you taking 1000mg test e per week its simply not required beyond 750mg you should rather add other anabolics
and no dont take tren while bulking obv you will get monstrous gains but even 50mg tren a will give you nasty side effects if you are prone to it which is overkill for a bulk

I've plateaud on 600 test as Ive run cycles before. I think 1 gram is the upper limit for test

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Vigorous steve says you nearly saturate the anti glucocorticoid arm with 20mg of tren/week.

Which is the explaination for my 35mgs

 

[decadouche57]

Vigorous steve says you nearly saturate the anti glucocorticoid arm with 20mg of tren/week.

Which is the explaination for my 35mgs

What does that mean?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

What does that mean?

Much of trens muscle sparing in a deficit is mediated through its Glucocorticoid receptor antagonism.

Using a low dose of tren saturates this pathway making pushing doses redundant for in terms of ROI

According to the anabolic round table atleast

 

[m0ss26]

What does that mean?

He’s saying you get the full anti catabolic affects and nutrient partitioning even on that low of a dose

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

He’s saying you get the full anti catabolic affects and nutrient partitioning even on that low of a dose

Good summary

 

[lucifer88]

Why are you taking 1000mg test e per week its simply not required beyond 750mg you should rather add other anabolics
and no dont take tren while bulking obv you will get monstrous gains but even 50mg tren a will give you nasty side effects if you are prone to it which is overkill for a bulk

what a pussy dosage

 

[decadouche57]

Good summary

You're able to tolerate a low dose it seems right? Id rather not use mirtz as its an ssri

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

You're able to tolerate a low dose it seems right?

Dont use me as a benchmark for sleep tolerance.



Even 150 test gave me insomnia.

Deca is the only compound ive run that doesnt impede sleep

Id rather not use mirtz as its an ssri

Mirtazipine is not an ssri. It antagonises the histamine receptors.

The sleep dose is also lower than the anti depressant one

 

[Whirr22222]

50mg tren even below is the best doseage of androgenicity (sides) to anabolism

 

[Orthognathic]

@chadisbeingmade and @SlayerJonas are going to tell you not to add Prov or Mast, nor any DHT deriv.

As they should, nothings worth risking your hair & skin

 

[TitusA]

So Im on 1 gram test E right now

I can't use HGH as I just finished surgeries

Ive run 500 test before and I feel ive plateaued on this dose

I also have a bodybuilding coach that Im working with and he advised he to just run Test and GH

However, my fear is that my nutrient partitioning won't be ideal on this stack

I'm wondering if adding 50 mg ace is a good idea to stay lean while bulking and increase nutrient partitioning so I can gain muscle while losing fat

I know there are a lot of sides and appetite can get crushed

Also its a bad idea to add tren to high dose test, better to run low test 1:1 with tren

What are my options? Continue with 1 gram? Or should I add a DHT like provision or Masteron? Im not worried about hair as im NW0 and running Dut and RU58841

@chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas @5.5psl @TitusA

Id probs try 100mg minimum.

Why are you taking 1000mg test e per week its simply not required beyond 750mg you should rather add other anabolics
and no dont take tren while bulking obv you will get monstrous gains but even 50mg tren a will give you nasty side effects if you are prone to it which is overkill for a bulk

It is required and its not that much lol. Pro bodybuilders/powerlifters/strongmen work up to grams of test (talking even 5-10 gram range). Fitness youtubers/influencers are all totally full of shit including the health influencers who basically have a 'if you scratch my back ill scratch yours' relationship. 1 gram really shouldn't even effect your bloodwork very negatively.

You literally keep getting results in a dose dependant response. Testosterone doesn't have diminishing returns like allot of drugs.

 

[decadouche57]

Id probs try 100mg minimum.

It is required and its not that much lol. Pro bodybuilders/powerlifters/strongmen work up to grams of test (talking even 5-10 gram range). Fitness youtubers/influencers are all totally full of shit including the health influencers who basically have a 'if you scratch my back ill scratch yours' relationship. 1 gram really shouldn't even effect your bloodwork very negatively.

You literally keep getting results in a dose dependant response. Testosterone doesn't have diminishing returns like allot of drugs.

So what me and my coach decided is that we will run 1 g test and add 4 iu hgh to bulk for 3 months and in the fourth month we will drop test down to 150 and add 50 mg tren as well as keeping the hgh and adding semaglutide to cut down after the bulk

@Bitchwhipper2

 

[TitusA]

So what me and my coach decided is that we will run 1 g test and add 4 iu hgh to bulk for 3 months and in the fourth month we will drop test down to 150 and add 50 mg tren as well as keeping the hgh and adding semaglutide to cut down after the bulk

@Bitchwhipper2

Yeah that sounds okay. Would just avoid using big amounts of tren when bulking and in instead stick to test + one of the safer injectables primo,deca,eq.

 

[TwoFace]

So Im on 1 gram test E right now

I can't use HGH as I just finished surgeries

Ive run 500 test before and I feel ive plateaued on this dose

I also have a bodybuilding coach that Im working with and he advised he to just run Test and GH

However, my fear is that my nutrient partitioning won't be ideal on this stack

I'm wondering if adding 50 mg ace is a good idea to stay lean while bulking and increase nutrient partitioning so I can gain muscle while losing fat

I know there are a lot of sides and appetite can get crushed

Also its a bad idea to add tren to high dose test, better to run low test 1:1 with tren

What are my options? Continue with 1 gram? Or should I add a DHT like provision or Masteron? Im not worried about hair as im NW0 and running Dut and RU58841

@chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas @5.5psl @TitusA

the nutrition partitioning effect on 50mg of tren wouldn't be much better than like 250mg of mast or some other dht derivative while also being wayyy worse for health markers. The systemic IGF-1 sensitivity increase from tren would be nice with gh but just does not seem worth it to me especially if your past puberty and not cutting super hard

 

[powerliftercoco]

the nutrition partitioning effect on 50mg of tren wouldn't be much better than like 250mg of mast or some other dht derivative while also being wayyy worse for health markers.

what health markers in particular?

 

[TwoFace]

what health markers in particular?

lipids, blood pressure (and as a result kidneys) along with the higher heart rate not being very good long term, basically every health market hit by mast will be hit by tren just harder

ofc its heavily genetics based I know a dude who has near perfect markers on 350 tren 500 test