"Are Arabs White?"

[GuyFromSingapore]

No you're not.

You're Caucasian like Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Afghans and Armenians but you're not European.

Syrians and Lebanese are Euro mutts.

Arabs are Semites. Your phenotype is Semitic Arabid or Syrid/Assyroid.

The eyes look different. The nose looks different.

To be European you must have evolved in Ice Age Europe and adapted to the snowy climate.

You on the other hand are desert people who evolved in the desert.

Not to speak of J ydna even though the female mtdna overlaps (like West Eurasian mtdna).

 

[Ahmed88]

like Indians

,,Aryan-Indian"

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

North Africans aren't Arab either. It's like Pakistanis thinking they are descendents of Arabs. Your ydna is largely E1b1b not J ydna/Semitic.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

,,Aryan-Indian"

Afghanistan-Pakistan-North West India was an outpost for the Aryans. So the people there can be mutts. Some are mixed. Some others are pure. Some don't have any admixture at all. It really depends on the individual.

 

[tansel]

arabs arent really caucasian though lmao

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

arabs arent really caucasian though lmao

They are in my eyes. Non-European Caucasians/Caucasoid.

 

[tansel]

They are in my eyes. Non-European Caucasians/Caucasoid.

caucasians are people from the caucasus.. like georgians or dagestanis

arabs are from the sands lmao

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

caucasians are people from the caucasus.. like georgians or dagestanis

arabs are from the sands lmao

It's a generalized term. Just like how Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans and Siberians are Mongoloid without actually being Mongolian.

 

[tansel]

It's a generalized term. Just like how Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans and Siberians are Mongoloid without actually being Mongolian.

i mean alright lol but i don’t think any saudi arabian or jordanians considers themselves to be caucasian

they would just say they’re middle eastern

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

i mean alright lol but i don’t think any saudi arabian or jordanians considers themselves to be caucasian

they would just say they’re middle eastern

I ydna is European and related to J ydna which is Middle Eastern. IJK.

All humans other than Africans left Africa and expanded into other parts of the world.

West Asia/Middle East is the corridor to enter into Europe. So European ancestors including those who carried R1 ydna must have spent some time and evolved partly in West Asia then the Ice Age in Europe.

Hence the somewhat similarity with Arabs/Semites, "Caucasian" phenotype aka "sharp pointed nose" and "large, round eyes".

 

[buccalfatremoval]

No you're not.

You're Caucasian like Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Afghans and Armenians but you're not European.

Syrians and Lebanese are Euro mutts.

Arabs are Semites. Your phenotype is Semitic Arabid or Syrid/Assyroid.

The eyes look different. The nose looks different.

To be European you must have evolved in Ice Age Europe and adapted to the snowy climate.

You on the other hand are desert people who evolved in the desert.

Not to speak of J ydna even though the female mtdna overlaps (like West Eurasian mtdna).

We wuzz white and shiii

 

[dhusc]

No you're not.

You're Caucasian like Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Afghans and Armenians but you're not European.

Syrians and Lebanese are Euro mutts.

Arabs are Semites. Your phenotype is Semitic Arabid or Syrid/Assyroid.

The eyes look different. The nose looks different.

To be European you must have evolved in Ice Age Europe and adapted to the snowy climate.

You on the other hand are desert people who evolved in the desert.

Not to speak of J ydna even though the female mtdna overlaps (like West Eurasian mtdna).

only levantine arabs can pass as white

 

[veppandi guhan]

No you're not.

You're Caucasian like Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Afghans and Armenians but you're not European.

Syrians and Lebanese are Euro mutts.

Arabs are Semites. Your phenotype is Semitic Arabid or Syrid/Assyroid.

The eyes look different. The nose looks different.

To be European you must have evolved in Ice Age Europe and adapted to the snowy climate.

You on the other hand are desert people who evolved in the desert.

Not to speak of J ydna even though the female mtdna overlaps (like West Eurasian mtdna).

Some afghans look whiter than europeans .

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

only levantine arabs can pass as white

They are usually mutts. But some are White like Bashar Al Assad.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Some afghans look whiter than europeans .

What do you mean?

 

[supersaiyancarp27]

w

It's a generalized term. Just like how Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans and Siberians are Mongoloid without actually being Mongolian.

hat are ethipoians

 

[supersaiyancarp27]

No you're not.

You're Caucasian like Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Afghans and Armenians but you're not European.

Syrians and Lebanese are Euro mutts.

Arabs are Semites. Your phenotype is Semitic Arabid or Syrid/Assyroid.

The eyes look different. The nose looks different.

To be European you must have evolved in Ice Age Europe and adapted to the snowy climate.

You on the other hand are desert people who evolved in the desert.

Not to speak of J ydna even though the female mtdna overlaps (like West Eurasian mtdna).

whites are from the land of the ice and snow

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

w

hat are ethipoians

Habeshas look like South Indians so Caucasoid-Negroid mixed.

 

[dhusc]

What do you mean?

some afghans look as white as northern Europeans

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

some afghans look as white as northern Europeans

It depends really... Both groups are diverse with many phenos. But many local phenos for Afghans too. They are a mixture ON AVERAGE.

Iranid-Nordid mix.

 

[dhusc]

They are usually mutts. But some are White like Bashar Al Assad.

honestly though were ancient arabs whiter?

the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was described as fair with reddish undertones

however the romans were described as yellow

which by all standards today would be considered white

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

honestly though were ancient arabs whiter?

the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was described as fair with ginger hair

which by all standards today would be considered white

Thats an Abbasid Hadith. Before that he was described as darker skinned with black hair

The Abbasids changed it to make him fit their ideal look. Yes there’s a lot of racism in Islam as example from this

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

honestly though were ancient arabs whiter?

the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was described as fair with ginger hair

which by all standards today would be considered white

"White" is a skin colour. An adaptation to low UV and snowy weather.

It is likely that the Prophet used henna to dye himself. Even today Muslims everywhere do that.

In any case even though coloured hair and eyes are attractive that does not make one European. Even some Saudis have brunette hair and hazel/light brown eyes.

There are Australian Aborigines with blonde hair. Like I said it is owing to UV exposure.

When I was living in South India my forearms turned blonde and my beard and scalphair hair turned brunette.

 

[Clayed.nas]

Does north African consider African or arab

 

[AustrianMogger]

No you're not.

You're Caucasian like Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Afghans and Armenians but you're not European.

Syrians and Lebanese are Euro mutts.

Arabs are Semites. Your phenotype is Semitic Arabid or Syrid/Assyroid.

The eyes look different. The nose looks different.

To be European you must have evolved in Ice Age Europe and adapted to the snowy climate.

You on the other hand are desert people who evolved in the desert.

Not to speak of J ydna even though the female mtdna overlaps (like West Eurasian mtdna).

Arabs are niggers

 

[Clayed.nas]

honestly though were ancient arabs whiter?

the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was described as fair with reddish undertones

however the romans were described as yellow

which by all standards today would be considered white

Agreed

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Does north African consider African or arab

It's it's own category. I don't know what language they originally spoke but they seem to have picked up Afro-Asiatic languages.

In any case it depends on the autosomes/phenotype of the individual.

The woman on the bottom extreme left end smiling looks almost Paleo Atlantid to my eyes.

 

[dhusc]

"White" is a skin colour. An adaptation to low UV and snowy weather.

It is likely that the Prophet used henna to dye himself. Even today Muslims everywhere do that.

In any case even though coloured hair and eyes are attractive that does not make one European. Even some Saudis have brunette hair and hazel/light brown eyes.

There are Australian Aborigines with blonde hair. Like I said it is owing to UV exposure.

When I was living in South India my forearms turned blonde and my beard and scalphair hair turned brunette.

wasn't henna used to imitate the prophet

tho you could be right because I believe it talked about red undertones instead

and nigga what

 

[dhusc]

Thats an Abbasid Hadith. Before that he was described as darker skinned with black hair

The Abbasids changed it to make him fit their ideal look. Yes there’s a lot of racism in Islam as example from this

there's no evidence of him being darker skinned though is there?

even in pre abbasaid hadiths he was described as either brown or fairer skinned but not white in the sense considering the Romans and other whites were considered yellow

the black hair part is true and I believe it is narrated among most hadiths

 

[mr.GeneralMayor]

Arabs No
Persians and Levants They are related to whites, more like our cousins

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

there's no evidence of him being darker skinned though is there?

even in pre abbasaid hadiths he was described as either brown or fairer skinned but not white in the sense considering the Romans and other whites were considered yellow

the black hair part is true and I believe it is narrated among most hadiths

Umayyad hadiths say so.


Abbasids (Persians) changed it to him being pale with red hair cos that’s their ideal look.

The people of Rum as you said weren’t viewed as the same as Arabs so yes your right

 

[dhusc]

Umayyad hadiths say so.


Abbasids (Persians) changed it to him being pale with red hair cos that’s their ideal look.

The people of Rum as you said weren’t viewed as the same as Arabs so yes your right

list the hadith

The actual verbal descriptions of his skin tone as Abyad (fair/white) and Mushrab bi-Humra (reddish-white) belong entirely to the generations that lived with him.The Eyewitnesses: Companions like Ali ibn Abi Talib (d. 661 CE), Anas ibn Malik (d. 712 CE), and Aisha (d. 678 CE) openly spoke about his appearance during the Rashidun and early Umayyad periods.

your probably right on the abbasids

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

list the hadith

The actual verbal descriptions of his skin tone as Abyad (fair/white) and Mushrab bi-Humra (reddish-white) belong entirely to the generations that lived with him.The Eyewitnesses: Companions like Ali ibn Abi Talib (d. 661 CE), Anas ibn Malik (d. 712 CE), and Aisha (d. 678 CE) openly spoke about his appearance during the Rashidun and early Umayyad periods.

your probably right on the abbasids

But in classical Arabic usage:

• “white” often meant clear-skinned or light brown compared to very dark skin, not necessarily pale European skin.
• “red” could mean someone with a lighter complexion relative to Arabs, sometimes with ruddy undertones from sun exposure.

There are hadith reports that explicitly deny he was extremely pale.


For example, some narrations describe him as:


“not intensely white” and “not dark Adam either,”
meaning intermediate/moderate in complexion.


In collections associated with early transmitters, he’s often described as:

• wheat-coloured,
• luminous,
• or neither extremely light nor dark.

 

[Sociobiology]

Saar i'm white! We raped your ancestors 1000 years ago so North Africans are white!

 

[dhusc]

But in classical Arabic usage:

• “white” often meant clear-skinned or light brown compared to very dark skin, not necessarily pale European skin.
• “red” could mean someone with a lighter complexion relative to Arabs, sometimes with ruddy undertones from sun exposure.

There are hadith reports that explicitly deny he was extremely pale.


For example, some narrations describe him as:


“not intensely white” and “not dark Adam either,”
meaning intermediate/moderate in complexion.


In collections associated with early transmitters, he’s often described as:

• wheat-coloured,
• luminous,
• or neither extremely light nor dark.

yes that's is what I'm saying

he was likely fair skinned but not "white" I'd assume more what meds look like today

skin tone wise

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

yes that's is what I'm saying

he was likely fair skinned but not "white" I'd assume more what meds look like today

skin tone wise

Not fair skinned but standard Arab color not dark not light

Medium

 

[dhusc]

Not fair skinned but standard Arab color not dark not light

Medium

he’s been described as fair skin by those lived among him

so he was clearly fairer than the average Arab but he wasn’t “white”

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

he’s been described as fair skin by those lived among him

so he was clearly fairer than the average Arab but he wasn’t “white”

Nar he was Avg complexion so he wasn’t fairer or dark he was normal skin but he wasn’t pale

 

[dhusc]

Nar he was Avg complexion so he wasn’t fairer or dark he was normal skin but he wasn’t pale

he was clearly described as fair though on multiple accounts?

and I never said he was pale

fair n pale aren’t the same thing

 

[trvechud]

North Africans aren't Arab either. It's like Pakistanis thinking they are descendents of Arabs. Your ydna is largely E1b1b not J ydna/Semitic.

Gothic hispanic

 

[tertaf]

Some afghans look whiter than europeans .

 

[veppandi guhan]

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This is a boy from Afghanistan he looks european

 

[tertaf]

This is a boy from Afghanistan he looks european

kalash niggas are TINY minority of afghans nigga

overwhelming majority of pashtuns are BROWN

every single non-white non-black group does this corny shit where they live through a tiny minority of white passing people in their overwhelmingly brown country

 

[tertaf]

I feel like Levantines MAY have been considered white had they not been Muslim and considered arab (ik they aren't arab, which is why i said considered)

but then again Italians weren't even considered white so idk

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

kalash niggas are TINY minority of afghans nigga

overwhelming majority of pashtuns are BROWN

every single non-white non-black group does this corny shit where they live through a tiny minority of white passing people in their overwhelmingly brown country

30% of average Pashtun genes are Yamanaya not to mention that Pashtuns carry R1a ydna in high frequencies.

- 1) Brown is a skin colour not a craniofacial type

- 2) Afghans, Pakis, North Indians can be mixed ON AVERAGE which means there are pure Aryan individuals amongst them.

- 3) I agree that many North Indians are Indic/Iranic non European phenotypes but plenty of mixed people giving them a "Whiter" look

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

but then again Italians weren't even considered white so idk

Italians are EUROPEAN Mediterranid people ON AVERAGE. They evolved IN EUROPE. They speak an INDO EUROPEAN language.

They are descended from European farmers genetically and carry R1b ydna and West Eurasian mtdna.

That's all you need to know.

People of my caste have Nordid and Faelid looks. Which means we are descended from Northern Euro/Scandinavian, Germanic and Eastern Euro people.

I myself look Nordid-Faelid and I consider Italians WHITE and EUROPEAN.