Are infras really worth the money compared to underye fat grafting or filler?

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Infraorbital rim implants are so fucking expensive. Are the results really better than just doing fat grafting?

 

[Deleted member 69862]

Yes.

 

[Sodoku]

Yes and no. Depends on your goals and bone structure.

Yes.
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I think his before picture looks much better. I’m certain he got an additional surgery, not just infras. Maybe almond eye surgery or whatever the fuck it’s called

 

[geenk worg]

Yes.
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before he looked like a doomer and now he looks like a total creep. before better

 

[Primary]

Yes.
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Idk but for some reason before looks better, also his face shape looks different maybe thats why

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Fat grafting is like $10k. With implants we can add another $20-30k on top of that.

Has anyone on this forum actually gotten infras?

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

@5.5psl

 

[chrishell]

Fat grafting is like $10k. With implants we can add another $20-30k on top of that.

Has anyone on this forum actually gotten infras?

They are not 20-30k more like 10-15k. If custom made. Which is the only way.

Most people dont need much infra augmentation especially towards the medial canthus. Its more important to augment towards the lateral canthus and extending down the zygo ridge.

 

[k99]

imo its not worth not only that its expansive it is dangerous too

 

[perpetuallytired]

Fat grafting is like $10k. With implants we can add another $20-30k on top of that.

Has anyone on this forum actually gotten infras?

Yes.

 

[gravlek]

Yes.

Have you? If so, do you have a results thread by any chance?

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Yes.

Do you have any examples in mind you could link?

My main concern is looking uncanny after spending a shit ton of money on them.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

For example this dude got infras and looks uncanny:



However he also got buccal fat removal, midface fat grafting, necklift, jaw fillers, and rhino.

 

[gravlek]

For example this dude got infras and looks uncanny:



However he also got buccal fat removal, midface fat grafting, necklift, jaw fillers, and rhino.

Have you got any good before pics/vids of this guy? Right now I can’t spot much uncannyness. Would have to see his base.

 

[Sodoku]

Fat grafting is like $10k. With implants we can add another $20-30k on top of that.

Has anyone on this forum actually gotten infras?

Yes. @VenatorLuparius has

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Yes. @VenatorLuparius has

@VenatorLuparius , I remember seeing your post when you were still recovering. Did you ever share updated pics with swelling gone?

 

[longjohnmong]

Have you got any good before pics/vids of this guy? Right now I can’t spot much uncannyness. Would have to see his base.

 

[haus33]

The fact that infraorbital implants already look uncanny as soon as they are put in combined with the prospect that with aging and fat loss and bone resorption they can look even more unnatural is more than enough to put me off them. The fillers and fat transfers also don't really work in this area from what I've read. I think the only prospects are eye specific surgeries like canthoplasty and lower eyellid retraction for improving this area without looking bogged.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

He looks better for sure, but perhaps it’s telling that they used only professionally taken and edited after pics. You can only get a fair comparison with identical angles and lighting.

 

[gravlek]

Imo he ascended

 

[longjohnmong]

He looks better for sure, but perhaps it’s telling that they used only professionally taken and edited after pics. You can only get a fair comparison with identical angles and lighting.

Yeah, he looks worse in the video he took himself. Still, no professionally taken photos would make me look like that.

 

[chrishell]

The fact that infraorbital implants already look uncanny as soon as they are put in combined with the prospect that with aging and fat loss and bone resorption they can look even more unnatural is more than enough to put me off them. The fillers and fat transfers also don't really work in this area from what I've read. I think the only prospects are eye specific surgeries like canthoplasty and lower eyellid retraction for improving this area without looking bogged.

This is a good point. There are many examples where they do look good put in. But most of the time due to implant design imperfections fat grafts and/or midface lifts are mandatory. And again, there are many examples where they can look good and natural after those grafts. But you lose facial fat and the skin sags back down as you age, so you condemn yourself to needing more and more procedures as you get older simply in order to keep the implant looking natural.

Not to mention most people will probably need two designs to get an implant that can THEN be fixable with fat grafts. Especially if your skin is thin. And depending on your skin laxity, your skin may sag down further from having to open up your mouth to install and remove implants each time due to release of facial holding ligaments.

 

[haus33]

This is a good point. There are many examples where they do look good put in. But most of the time due to implant design imperfections fat grafts and/or midface lifts are mandatory. And again, there are many examples where they can look good and natural after those grafts. But you lose facial fat and the skin sags back down as you age, so you condemn yourself to needing more and more procedures as you get older simply in order to keep the implant looking natural.

Not to mention most people will probably need two designs to get an implant that can THEN be fixable with fat grafts. Especially if your skin is thin. And depending on your skin laxity, your skin may sag down further from having to open up your mouth to install and remove implants each time due to release of facial holding ligaments.

worded perfectly to demonstrate how grotesque it is to do this to yourself I assume it is still worth it for some as it replicates bone in a way lifts, fillers or fat transfers by themselves can never do, but it's signing yourself up for a high maintenance aesthetic.

 

[alial]

before he looked like a doomer and now he looks like a total creep. before better

Lmao I thought the same

 

[Realism]

The fact that infraorbital implants already look uncanny as soon as they are put in combined with the prospect that with aging and fat loss and bone resorption they can look even more unnatural is more than enough to put me off them. The fillers and fat transfers also don't really work in this area from what I've read. I think the only prospects are eye specific surgeries like canthoplasty and lower eyellid retraction for improving this area without looking bogged.

There's no bone resorption in the infra orbital area, it's not an area with thick skeletal muscle over it.
I've seen very few uncanny results from infra implants, most look natural and nice if you don't go too overboard.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

There's no bone resorption in the infra orbital area, it's not an area with thick skeletal muscle over it.
I've seen very few uncanny results from infra implants, most look natural and nice if you don't go too overboard.

Is custom worth the higher cost compared to off the shelf?

 

[Realism]

Is custom worth the higher cost compared to off the shelf?

I wouldn't consider anything other than a customized one.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

I wouldn't consider anything other than a customized one.

Could you explain why?

 

[Realism]

Could you explain why?

It's like trying to solve a puzzle with pieces that aren't part of the puzzle.

Your skeleton is unique to you, I'm not exactly qualified to answer this, so take my answer with a grain of salt.

But I would want it to fit 100%, to ensure fixation stays 100% long term, no erosion occurs due to a misfit putting pressure on small places where its not intended etc.

 

[Intricately]

worded perfectly to demonstrate how grotesque it is to do this to yourself I assume it is still worth it for some as it replicates bone in a way lifts, fillers or fat transfers by themselves can never do, but it's signing yourself up for a high maintenance aesthetic.

I think you neglect the fact that it always depends on the design. If you go for a subtle change, such as 3mm protrusion, you won't have the struggle with grafts to make it look natural.

VenatorLuparius had 5.5mm on his non-deficient infras and it looked somewhat uncanny which is why he opted for fat grafts.

 

[chrishell]

If you have a bad orbital vector, you likely have a bad midface angle too. There are rare cases where this does not apply. And when you have too great a discrepancy between the orbital vector and the midface angle you inevitably get these soft tissue problems like step offs, "sagging", implant show. These problems are not unpredictable and inevitable contrary to what has been passed off for a long time.

It is not a good idea to augment the infras if you are not also augmenting the lower midface. In most cases. If you get a midface implant at all, keep it restricted to the zygomatic arch and don't extend the implant all the way across the rim to the nose and medial canthus.

 

[haus33]

There's no bone resorption in the infra orbital area, it's not an area with thick skeletal muscle over it.
I've seen very few uncanny results from infra implants, most look natural and nice if you don't go too overboard.

what do you think about how they age though ? like 20 years down the line won't the implant be exposed from fat loss? Thoughts?