Are love handles genetic?

[trvechud]

I could uniorinically have a taper if I lost my love handles and trained abs. I looked in the mirror today and realized I'm the planed ive ever been in my life. I'm 18% bf which is not lean but I plan to be 15% by December. I just want the hope that the v taper can happen

 

[User28823]

sry bud theres bone under there 99% chance hipcel due to shit fat distro on love handles

its over !

reminder - https://looksmax.org/threads/you-will-never-have-this-harmony-give-up.1474328/

 

[toorroise milk]

I could uniorinically have a taper if I lost my love handles and trained abs. I looked in the mirror today and realized I'm the planed ive ever been in my life. I'm 18% bf which is not lean but I plan to be 15% by December. I just want the hope that the v taper can happen

Yeah love handles and fat distribution are influenced by genetics and some people will have fat in their love handle area even sub 15% body fat. But then again, that’s only some, the average person will lose fat around their love handles pretty late into the cut. Its also dependant on hormones like testosterone and cortisol

Bottom line, u don’t know ur genetics until u actually try and get to 12%ish body fat. Also make sure ur testosterone is high and ur cortisol is low, many ways to do that naturally.

 

[trvechud]

sry bud theres bone under there 99% chance hipcel due to shit fat distro on love handles

its over !

reminder - https://looksmax.org/threads/you-will-never-have-this-harmony-give-up.1474328/

My reaction

 

[trvechud]

Yeah love handles and fat distribution are influenced by genetics and some people will have fat in their love handle area even sub 15% body fat. But then again, that’s only some, the average person will lose fat around their love handles pretty late into the cut. Its also dependant on hormones like testosterone and cortisol

Bottom line, u don’t know ur genetics until u actually try and get to 12%ish body fat. Also make sure ur testosterone is high and ur cortisol is low, many ways to do that naturally.

One can hope

 

[greycel]

sry bud theres bone under there 99% chance hipcel due to shit fat distro on love handles

its over !

reminder - https://looksmax.org/threads/you-will-never-have-this-harmony-give-up.1474328/

It's good genes in nature (very high power ceiling from torque generation), bad genes for bodybuilding/aesthetics:

 

[User28823]

It's good genes in nature (very high power ceiling from torque generation), bad genes for bodybuilding/aesthetics:
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cope is strong in this one

praying for u

 

[svarddre]

Yes and no

 

[trvechud]

It's good genes in nature (very high power ceiling from torque generation), bad genes for bodybuilding/aesthetics:
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Most ufc fighters don't have love handles

 

[toorroise milk]

sry bud theres bone under there 99% chance hipcel due to shit fat distro on love handles

its over !

reminder - https://looksmax.org/threads/you-will-never-have-this-harmony-give-up.1474328/

It's good genes in nature (very high power ceiling from torque generation), bad genes for bodybuilding/aesthetics:
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Look at dc’s bideltoid tho, and he has a fuck tom of muscle. Like even then, if he had shorter clavicles he’d look like a retard

 

[toorroise milk]

Most ufc fighters don't have love handles

Difference between love handles and just a wide hip bone.

 

[User28823]

Look at dc’s bideltoid tho, and he has a fuck tom of muscle. Like even then, if he had shorter clavicles he’d look like a retard

its overr.

 

[toorroise milk]

One can hope

Ur right, ur only choice is to just lean down and optimize everything and make an analysis then. Rn, ur stuck in the trapping thinking if leaning down is worth it. Please don’t question it whatsoever and lean down

 

[toorroise milk]

its overr.

What the fuck are u talking about

 

[User28823]

What the fuck are u talking about

some of us have to learn the hard way

 

[greycel]

cope is strong in this one

praying for u

You think having less bone, and having a think waist is not dysgenic?
Have you seen Laid's power :

You have a woman's brain
They also ignorantly assume that the one who gets more validation from fitting societal beauty standards is automatically superior

 

[toorroise milk]

some of us have to learn the hard way

nah I deadass have no clue what ur saying. My main point is that u should lean down anyway regardless of ur hip bone since that’s the only thing u can do for a better shoulder to hip ratio

 

[toorroise milk]

You think having less bone, and having a think waist is not dysgenic?
Have you seen Laid's power :
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You have a woman's brain
They also ignorantly assume that the one who gets more validation from fitting societal beauty standards is automatically superior

He’s probably inbred or something lmao, look at ilia and volk aswell. They have wide hips and wide clavicles which makes them strong especially in grappling

 

[User28823]

You think having less bone, and having a think waist is not dysgenic?
Have you seen Laid's power :
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You have a woman's brain
They also ignorantly assume that the one who gets more validation from fitting societal beauty standards is automatically superior

nigger is talking about fjighting like anyone in the year 2025 gives a fuck about ur punching power

ltierally no woman even knows who francis ngnigger is

u know who they do know ? david laid

u know who theyd rather fuck? david laid

 

[User28823]

He’s probably inbred or something lmao, look at ilia and volk aswell. They have wide hips and wide clavicles which makes them strong especially in grappling

holy fuck what forum are u on?

this isnt reddit little nigger

if u wanna cope you've got a great echo chamber of subhumans on there

 

[greycel]

Look at dc’s bideltoid tho, and he has a fuck tom of muscle. Like even then, if he had shorter clavicles he’d look like a retard

Of course everything matters
But I'd go so far to even say that waist matters more than shoulders

As in, if I could only pick one and I knew I was going to get into a physical altercation, I'd pick waist

 

[toorroise milk]

nigger is talking about fjighting like anyone in the year 2025 gives a fuck about ur punching power

ltierally no woman even knows who francis ngnigger is

u know who they do know ? david laid

u know who theyd rather fuck? david laid

Holy cope

 

[greycel]

nigger is talking about fjighting like anyone in the year 2025 gives a fuck about ur punching power

ltierally no woman even knows who francis ngnigger is

u know who they do know ? david laid

u know who theyd rather fuck? david laid

That's fine.
You and I have different priorities.

But let me ask you something.
Do you know what your rating in society means? When somebody says you are a Chad (for appeal), it means you are say arbitrarily 95% of women's subjective type.
But you are not 5%. Those 5% are not necessarily ugly, and they would like a guy who's more their type, who isn't that specific Chad.
An average HTN might be 80% of women's subjective types.
And so on...
Your looks are the probability for success.

You can attract a girl as a subLTN. And this girl doesnt have to be subLTB. Of course its a higher chance she will be, but best way to put it is: every subLTN in your city has a Stacy of his race, who is open to dating him, because he is subjectively her type.

All of this is to say..
After you have secured a girl, that pretty much EVERY guy can do (for some will be more difficult), there is no need wanting to chase validation from other girls.

No point in trying to be good looking.
Blackpill is cope.
It's a validation mindset, that's how women act. Modern women crave validation even when they are in a relationship, from strangers. Which is why they'll wear good clothes to impress others and rarely their partner.

But thats partially due to their evolution. You as a man should only care for validation from your girl
Beyond that, which every guy can achieve, your strength and power is what truly mogs
No need to care about looks.. other than if your livelihood depends on you being a lot of women's subjective type, like celebrities/actors/models.. David Laid has different priorities to 99% of guys who don't need validation

Most ufc fighters don't have love handles

That's because most aren't heavyweights, so they are always lean to weight cut
Also pride fc had pretty much no weight restriction so fedor always fought fat

 

[trvechud]

That's fine.
You and I have different priorities.

But let me ask you something.
Do you know what your rating in society means? When somebody says you are a Chad (for appeal), it means you are say arbitrarily 95% of women's subjective type.
But you are not 5%. Those 5% are not necessarily ugly, and they would like a guy who's more their type, who isn't that specific Chad.
An average HTN might be 80% of women's subjective types.
And so on...
Your looks are the probability for success.

You can attract a girl as a subLTN. And this girl doesnt have to be subLTB. Of course its a higher chance she will be, but best way to put it is: every subLTN in your city has a Stacy of his race, who is open to dating him, because he is subjectively her type.

All of this is to say..
After you have secured a girl, that pretty much EVERY guy can do (for some will be more difficult), there is no need wanting to chase validation from other girls.

No point in trying to be good looking.
Blackpill is cope.
It's a validation mindset, that's how women act. Modern women crave validation even when they are in a relationship, from strangers. Which is why they'll wear good clothes to impress others and rarely their partner.

But thats partially due to their evolution. You as a man should only care for validation from your girl
Beyond that, which every guy can achieve, your strength and power is what truly mogs
No need to care about looks.. other than if your livelihood depends on you being a lot of women's subjective type, like celebrities/actors/models.. David Laid has different priorities to 99% of guys who don't need validation


That's because most aren't heavyweights, so they are always lean to weight cut
Also pride fc had pretty much no weight restriction so fedor always fought fat

Looks also help to mog dudes. I'm not talking about prettiness. But I'd be way more scared of a guy with a developed face than one with jaw recession

 

[greycel]

Looks also help to mog dudes. I'm not talking about prettiness. But I'd be way more scared of a guy with a developed face than one with jaw recession

you are scared because you have been led to believe that the one who is competent is the one who looks better/ more facially developed

But think intuitively for a second

What do you think matters more?
Face or body, when it comes to physical success in evolution?
It is body by a LANDSLIDE

From the spears we would throw and the power + range you can throw to kill enemies, to you wont starve if can hunt with your body throwing spears, to advantages of reach (whoever throws the first punch tends to always win the fight), to reaction time, to generating more power in your punches/kicks from stockier builds

It's just places like this site, but also society in general, limits everybody to their face, because we can in the comforts of a society
In reality, body is 95-99% and face is 1-5%

In all honesty, mind/intelligence trumps everything.
But anyways, watch this video of forward grown ripped Chad vs this recessed fat guy, who looks like he just got out of bed:

 

[User28823]

Holy cope

ironic

That's fine.
You and I have different priorities.

But let me ask you something.
Do you know what your rating in society means? When somebody says you are a Chad (for appeal), it means you are say arbitrarily 95% of women's subjective type.
But you are not 5%. Those 5% are not necessarily ugly, and they would like a guy who's more their type, who isn't that specific Chad.
An average HTN might be 80% of women's subjective types.
And so on...
Your looks are the probability for success.

You can attract a girl as a subLTN. And this girl doesnt have to be subLTB. Of course its a higher chance she will be, but best way to put it is: every subLTN in your city has a Stacy of his race, who is open to dating him, because he is subjectively her type.

All of this is to say..
After you have secured a girl, that pretty much EVERY guy can do (for some will be more difficult), there is no need wanting to chase validation from other girls.

No point in trying to be good looking.
Blackpill is cope.
It's a validation mindset, that's how women act. Modern women crave validation even when they are in a relationship, from strangers. Which is why they'll wear good clothes to impress others and rarely their partner.

But thats partially due to their evolution. You as a man should only care for validation from your girl
Beyond that, which every guy can achieve, your strength and power is what truly mogs
No need to care about looks.. other than if your livelihood depends on you being a lot of women's subjective type, like celebrities/actors/models.. David Laid has different priorities to 99% of guys who don't need validation


That's because most aren't heavyweights, so they are always lean to weight cut
Also pride fc had pretty much no weight restriction so fedor always fought fat

bro... there is no way im reading allat

 

[greycel]

bro... there is no way im reading allat

it's up to you, only you stand to benefit from learning more
You do a disservice to yourself

I personally don't care if you benefit or don't. I already know everything I wrote, you don't

 

[User28823]

it's up to you, only you stand to benefit from learning more
You do a disservice to yourself

I personally don't care if you benefit or don't. I already know everything I wrote, you don't

nigga with a subhuman bidelt : costal cartilage maximum : iliac crest width ratio is yapping to me about not knowing my shit

J.F.L.

 

[greycel]

nigga with a subhuman bidelt : costal cartilage maximum : iliac crest width ratio is yapping to me about not knowing my shit

J.F.L.

You didn't refute any of my points

Listing technical terms is just showing me youre an immature kid who is taking this personally, because you're prioritising "winning" over exchanging ideas
Fragile ego

 

[User28823]

You didn't refute any of my points

Listing technical terms is just showing me youre an immature kid who is taking this personally, because you're prioritising "winning" over exchanging ideas
Fragile ego

u are arguing the same bluepill cuck points from 2010

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT WIDE HIPS ACTUALLY MEAN UR MORE POWERFUL

 

[Saint Casanova]

If you have them at 10 percent you need to get lipo

 

[Saint Casanova]

u are arguing the same bluepill cuck points from 2010

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT WIDE HIPS ACTUALLY MEAN UR MORE POWERFUL

Some people have small hips under love handles though, it distorts the frame.


Then again you can pull back the fat and see if it’s bone, unless you’re very obese in which case it’s over regardless

 

[User28823]

Some people have small hips under love handles though, it distorts the frame.


Then again you can pull back the fat and see if it’s bone, unless you’re very obese in which case it’s over regardless

0.01%

even fat chuds i've seen with huge beer bellys that have tiny iliac crests dont have love handles

 

[Saint Casanova]

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even fat chuds i've seen with huge beer bellys that have tiny iliac crests dont have love handles

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When you grow up fat you usually get big hips tbh. This is what I’ve noticed.

Kino grew up fat and even though he’s very low fat and muscular, he still has bad hip tapering
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[User28823]

When you grow up fat you usually get big hips tbh. This is what I’ve noticed.

Kino grew up fat and even though he’s very low fat and muscular, he still has bad hip tapering
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over

 

[Saint Casanova]

over

This is why I said it’s over if you get fat during puberty but forum members chimped out over such a basic statement.

 

[User28823]

This is why I said it’s over if you get fat during puberty but forum members chimped out over such a basic statement.

meanwhile chad who remained lean during puberty:

 

[einzigartig]

When you grow up fat you usually get big hips tbh. This is what I’ve noticed.

Kino grew up fat and even though he’s very low fat and muscular, he still has bad hip tapering
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any more examples to back up your claim?

 

[Saint Casanova]

any more examples to back up your claim?

Even better. Here is a study:

The relationship between adolescent obesity and pelvis dimensions in adulthood: a retrospective longitudinal study - PMC

The effect of fat tissue on a developing individual is fundamentally different from the effect on an adult. Several changes caused by obesity during sexual maturation have an irreversible and severe negative effect (lower fertility, reduced final ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[einzigartig]

Even better. Here is a study:

The relationship between adolescent obesity and pelvis dimensions in adulthood: a retrospective longitudinal study - PMC

The effect of fat tissue on a developing individual is fundamentally different from the effect on an adult. Several changes caused by obesity during sexual maturation have an irreversible and severe negative effect (lower fertility, reduced final ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

iirc it is kind of good if you're slightly overweight so u get your maximum height probably

but being obese asf in your adolescent years is probably not good whatsoever. and btw I don't think is universally applicable