Are my growth plates open ?

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no, but your butthole is wide open waiting for dis cawk bro
 
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Looks like they're closed
If they were open, there would be a lighter white plate in between the bones
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an x-ray of the legs or spine would be better
 
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I'm a little confused. 2 radiologists told me that my growth plates are open and that my chronological age corresponds physiological (I'm 15). At the same time, I myself see that my diaphysis and the epiphysis of the radius and ulna are almost fused (this is the penultimate phase of growth according to Bjork method), which means that my growth plates are almost closed, but I was interested to hear the opinion of the majority
 
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Looks like they're closed
If they were open, there would be a lighter white plate in between the bones
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Btw you showed me a xray of the very first phase of growth that occurs at about 10-12 years old, of course, here all the epiphyses on the fingers have not yet fused with the diaphyses and there is not even a sesamoid abductor of thumb yet

Just a bad example for open growth plates
 
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@Growth Plate @LooksOverAll @YouLiveForYourself
“As pointed by Garn et al. [78] the bone age evaluated at the hand (wrist and phalanges) at the end of puberty does not predict the complete epiphyseal union of long bones of the leg, thus we did not use the Bayley Pinneau method based on the hand. Instead, we modeled the deceleration of growth velocity in each adolescent to be able to extrapolate adult height,”

I think the majority of the pessimism comes from years of misinformation from doctors that often care very little about this issue, especially if the subject in question has no clear hormonal deficiency. When I was in my mid teens, doctors and everyone else I asked had a set number in their head as far as when growth stopped, but no one ever told me how relatively individualistic it was and that plates closed at different times.

Even the outdated method they still use most often to this day in x-raying the wrist is now known to have no correlation whatsoever to the plates in the femur and tibia. This is vital info at a time where you are in the mid to final years of your development and still have a chance to change for the better. Instead, most people just get told to wait it out, and without proper intervention are forced to lead the very lives they were so adamant about changing.


Read this study and you will know the real statistics

See this graph:
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A pediatric has tried on 2 of his clients in his trials(ages 15 and 17), although they had inactive plates to begin with. He Gave them 2g of sam-e enteric coated tablet form plus about 500-800mcg folic acid and pure puerarin (basically weakened form of hexarelin)..today they are now both 21 and the 17 year old is now 23. The 23 year old is 6ft 3 and still growing!, he still has the same amount of facial hair since he was 17 and no hair on his legs still His plates never became inactive as a result, and the crazy thing is, his mum is 5ft 3 and dad 5ft 6. This suggests that increasing DNA methylation will make the body continue growing as it never gets physically older to realise it's time to stop increasing proliferation so fast, so this could be a way to physical anti-aging for puberty heightmaxxing.
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SAM-E in combination with MSM - in some of his trials were able to make the inactive plate people grow, why? Because of articular cartilage. Inactive growth plate means they can't grow anymore unless the pubertal hormone and protein environment is made again, this can be done with the chemicals. Anyway high dose sam-e before growth plate closure is better than after, i don't know how long it'll last but take it folinic acid, folic acid and SAM-E your plates will remain open almost forever.
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dihydrotestosterone and E2 are both needed for bone remodeling, testosterone not so much. Estrogen maintains adult bone mass by inhibiting bone resorption and osteoclast activity, which in theory isn't what we want, again we want homeostasis between osteoblast and osteoclast, both estrogen and cortisol block osteoclast activity and bone resorption from occurring, this is the reason estrogen is promoted as necessary for bone health, if you can't make up for the bone resorption with sufficient bone formation than problems occur. Theoretically, if you wanted to reshape your bones, the best method would be to nuke your estrogen with letrozole, this would decrease osteoclast activity substantially, to the point where bone resorption would be almost impossible, it would also exasperate the effects of osteoblast activity, again we don't want this, we want equilibrium between the two, estrogen is needed in keeping homeostasis between the osteoblasts and osteoclasts, dihydrotestosterone increases osteocalcin activity, in turn inducing bone formation and increasing bone mineral deposition, dihydrotestosterone and estrogen together synergize nicely, DHT will decrease the level of estrogen within the body, but not enough to the point where osteoclast activity is altered, we want bone resorption to occur, so that dht can begin the formation of new bone cells. The problem with administrating DHT alone is that at the dosages that we need to be working with in order to increase osteocalcin and osteoblast activity would nuke our estradiol, so the usage of human-chorionic-gonadotropin should be used in order to increase intra-testicular estrogen and aromatase activity. Keep in mind this is all theoretical, but I'm sure that estrogen and dht synergize when it comes to bone metabolism and remodeling. again, let me just explain, osteoblasts promote the proliferation of bone cells and the growth of bone, whereas osteoclasts promote resorption of the bone cells, essentially osteoclasts are there to renew the bone by metabolizing bone cells, allowing for new bone to form via osteocytes, osteocalcin, and osteoblast activity. Estrogen effectively inhibits osteoclast activity from occurring, this is why post-menopausal women experience BMD issues as osteoclast activity is at an all-time high due to the lack of estrogen in the women's bodies, osteoclasts are high and osteoblasts are low, meaning constant bone metabolism and no new bone cell proliferation and growth. We don't want to nuke our estrogen as we need it to keep homeostasis I hypothesize that we need high activity of both osteoclast and osteoblast for bone substantial bone growth, others debate that reshaping the bone requires an overabundance of osteoclast activity and less osteoblast, others debate that osteoblasts should be promoted and osteoclasts should be inhibited. Vitamin K2 has agonistic properties on the nuclear factor-kB signaling pathway. Nf-kB agonists have potent pro-anabolic and anti-catabolic effects on bone cells, essentially when this pathway is activated it decreases bone resorption and upregulates osteoblast activity. vitamin K2 action on osteoblast and osteoclast formation and activity is accomplished by down-regulating basal and cytokine-induced NF-kB activation, by increasing IkB mRNA, Furthermore, vitamin K2 prevents repression by tumor necrosis factor-a (TNFa) of SMAD signaling induced by either transforming growth factor B (TGFB) or bone morphogenetic protein-2 (BMP-2). This is why menopausal women who take vitamin K2 experience great results when it comes to BMD, due to there lowered estrogen activity osteoclasts are high, when MK4 is introduced osteoclast are somewhat inhibited and osteoblast activity is increased, countering the effects of low estradiol. for a protocol, I'd suggest either 5-7.5iu of growth hormone daily, along with IGF-1 Lr3 50-100mcg daily, add in some Mk4 at 100-200mg daily (you can buy pure powder and just wing the dosage, mk4 isn't toxic, just don't go over 500mg). IGF-1 Lr3 would work great, it has a low affinity to bind to IGFBP
 
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You need Vitamin K2, SAM-E, and some proper height exercise.

 
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What you should use:
DHT gel or proviron

Avoid at all cost:
SARMS, Testosterone injection, Soy food, High E, High Prolactin, and Fapping.
If you are not on nofap then your prolactin will be higher, negated testosterone effect, lower Zinc, Loss of DHT, and slower bone remodelling. fapping is bad if heightmaxxing is what you want.
 
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Slightly open/almost closed at the wrist
 
Open boyo :feelsokman:
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Who do I ask for a bone age xray?
 
Who do I ask for a bone age xray?

just call the paid clinics in your city that provide xray services.

Warning: some clinics may request xray referrals, so you'll have to call several clinics and find one that doesn't need a referral.

Also It's important that they give you pictures of ur xray and write in the description about the state of your growth plates.
 
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A pediatric has tried on 2 of his clients in his trials(ages 15 and 17), although they had inactive plates to begin with. He Gave them 2g of sam-e enteric coated tablet form plus about 500-800mcg folic acid and pure puerarin (basically weakened form of hexarelin)..today they are now both 21 and the 17 year old is now 23. The 23 year old is 6ft 3 and still growing!, he still has the same amount of facial hair since he was 17 and no hair on his legs still His plates never became inactive as a result, and the crazy thing is, his mum is 5ft 3 and dad 5ft 6. This suggests that increasing DNA methylation will make the body continue growing as it never gets physically older to realise it's time to stop increasing proliferation so fast, so this could be a way to physical anti-aging for puberty heightmaxxing.
09:42 PM
SAM-E in combination with MSM - in some of his trials were able to make the inactive plate people grow, why? Because of articular cartilage. Inactive growth plate means they can't grow anymore unless the pubertal hormone and protein environment is made again, this can be done with the chemicals. Anyway high dose sam-e before growth plate closure is better than after, i don't know how long it'll last but take it folinic acid, folic acid and SAM-E your plates will remain open almost forever.
09:43 PM
dihydrotestosterone and E2 are both needed for bone remodeling, testosterone not so much. Estrogen maintains adult bone mass by inhibiting bone resorption and osteoclast activity, which in theory isn't what we want, again we want homeostasis between osteoblast and osteoclast, both estrogen and cortisol block osteoclast activity and bone resorption from occurring, this is the reason estrogen is promoted as necessary for bone health, if you can't make up for the bone resorption with sufficient bone formation than problems occur. Theoretically, if you wanted to reshape your bones, the best method would be to nuke your estrogen with letrozole, this would decrease osteoclast activity substantially, to the point where bone resorption would be almost impossible, it would also exasperate the effects of osteoblast activity, again we don't want this, we want equilibrium between the two, estrogen is needed in keeping homeostasis between the osteoblasts and osteoclasts, dihydrotestosterone increases osteocalcin activity, in turn inducing bone formation and increasing bone mineral deposition, dihydrotestosterone and estrogen together synergize nicely, DHT will decrease the level of estrogen within the body, but not enough to the point where osteoclast activity is altered, we want bone resorption to occur, so that dht can begin the formation of new bone cells. The problem with administrating DHT alone is that at the dosages that we need to be working with in order to increase osteocalcin and osteoblast activity would nuke our estradiol, so the usage of human-chorionic-gonadotropin should be used in order to increase intra-testicular estrogen and aromatase activity. Keep in mind this is all theoretical, but I'm sure that estrogen and dht synergize when it comes to bone metabolism and remodeling. again, let me just explain, osteoblasts promote the proliferation of bone cells and the growth of bone, whereas osteoclasts promote resorption of the bone cells, essentially osteoclasts are there to renew the bone by metabolizing bone cells, allowing for new bone to form via osteocytes, osteocalcin, and osteoblast activity. Estrogen effectively inhibits osteoclast activity from occurring, this is why post-menopausal women experience BMD issues as osteoclast activity is at an all-time high due to the lack of estrogen in the women's bodies, osteoclasts are high and osteoblasts are low, meaning constant bone metabolism and no new bone cell proliferation and growth. We don't want to nuke our estrogen as we need it to keep homeostasis I hypothesize that we need high activity of both osteoclast and osteoblast for bone substantial bone growth, others debate that reshaping the bone requires an overabundance of osteoclast activity and less osteoblast, others debate that osteoblasts should be promoted and osteoclasts should be inhibited. Vitamin K2 has agonistic properties on the nuclear factor-kB signaling pathway. Nf-kB agonists have potent pro-anabolic and anti-catabolic effects on bone cells, essentially when this pathway is activated it decreases bone resorption and upregulates osteoblast activity. vitamin K2 action on osteoblast and osteoclast formation and activity is accomplished by down-regulating basal and cytokine-induced NF-kB activation, by increasing IkB mRNA, Furthermore, vitamin K2 prevents repression by tumor necrosis factor-a (TNFa) of SMAD signaling induced by either transforming growth factor B (TGFB) or bone morphogenetic protein-2 (BMP-2). This is why menopausal women who take vitamin K2 experience great results when it comes to BMD, due to there lowered estrogen activity osteoclasts are high, when MK4 is introduced osteoclast are somewhat inhibited and osteoblast activity is increased, countering the effects of low estradiol. for a protocol, I'd suggest either 5-7.5iu of growth hormone daily, along with IGF-1 Lr3 50-100mcg daily, add in some Mk4 at 100-200mg daily (you can buy pure powder and just wing the dosage, mk4 isn't toxic, just don't go over 500mg). IGF-1 Lr3 would work great, it has a low affinity to bind to IGFBP

whoah this is awesome info man, i just now got the time to read it carefully and wisely, thank you bro
 
whoah this is awesome info man, i just now got the time to read it carefully and wisely, thank you bro
HGH and exemestane is too young for you
Maybe you will need it the moment you turn to late 15 years old
Longterm exemestane usage will permanently kill your estrogen production which is good because you wants to be tall man
 
What are u waiting for go buy those supplements
ye im working hard on it

I started taking 6.25 grams of aromasin from today and I am waiting for my hgh. I also took the blood test for estradiol and will do them every week for the first time, because I am very afraid of destroying myself. Btw my estradiol levels are quite high, 23 pg/ml, so I plan to increase the dose of exemestane to 12.5 grams per day, I think it would be better.

Also now I want to order more Igf-1, Hexarelin and Sam-e. But to be honest, it’s not clear to me whether it’s worth taking Igf-1 if I already will give myself somatropin injections and eat about 250 grams of protein per day

I also adhere to the following principles:
- Drinking 2200-3000 ml per day
- Eating around 2000 calories and fasting sometimes
- I go to bed at about 20:30 and get up at 4:50 to have time to do the whole morning routine
- I don't eat anything harmful and I don't fap
- keep a straight posture all day
- I eat tons of various dietary supplements
- and in general I do everything for my health, even such strange things as self-hypnosis and visualization of how I grow up before going to bed

The only thing that worries me is that earlier, about six months ago, I gave myself injections of testosterone and a lot of fap. I'm afraid that this could affect my growth and development plates, I hope I didn't ruin myself too much

I also took hgh a year ago being completely inexperienced, but I only got 20 IU in total then, I hope that this also did not negatively affect my growth (btw I grew after that by 4 cm (1.57 inches), but stopped at around 174 cm (5.71 feet) and have not grown for 3 months)


Well, now I hope that I will not be mistaken in anything and get my dream 6.2 feet, this has become the goal of my life and I even dropped out of school to get it, because at my current height I feel like an inferior person
 
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Also forgot to post my height increase routine here:

MORNING
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Berg stretching method
- Tadasana
- Posture exercises
- Bar hanging
- Contrast/cold shower

AFTERNOON
-
Bar hanging
- big lunch with lots of proteins

EVENING
-
Bar hanging
- Light dinner with cottage cheese or vegetables, sometimes I skip dinner for more growth hormone production
- Berg stretching method
- Tadasana
- inversion hang 5 minutes with additional weight, very much straightens the spine
- Listening to affirmations and doing visualization
 
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ye im working hard on it

I started taking 6.25 grams of aromasin from today and I am waiting for my hgh. I also took the blood test for estradiol and will do them every week for the first time, because I am very afraid of destroying myself. Btw my estradiol levels are quite high, 23 pg/ml, so I plan to increase the dose of exemestane to 12.5 grams per day, I think it would be better.

Also now I want to order more Igf-1, Hexarelin and Sam-e. But to be honest, it’s not clear to me whether it’s worth taking Igf-1 if I already will give myself somatropin injections and eat about 250 grams of protein per day

I also adhere to the following principles:
- Drinking 2200-3000 ml per day
- Eating around 2000 calories and fasting sometimes
- I go to bed at about 20:30 and get up at 4:50 to have time to do the whole morning routine
- I don't eat anything harmful and I don't fap
- keep a straight posture all day
- I eat tons of various dietary supplements
- and in general I do everything for my health, even such strange things as self-hypnosis and visualization of how I grow up before going to bed

The only thing that worries me is that earlier, about six months ago, I gave myself injections of testosterone and a lot of fap. I'm afraid that this could affect my growth and development plates, I hope I didn't ruin myself too much

I also took hgh a year ago being completely inexperienced, but I only got 20 IU in total then, I hope that this also did not negatively affect my growth (btw I grew after that by 4 cm (1.57 inches), but stopped at around 174 cm (5.71 feet) and have not grown for 3 months)


Well, now I hope that I will not be mistaken in anything and get my dream 6.2 feet, this has become the goal of my life and I even dropped out of school to get it, because at my current height I feel like an inferior person
Those stack is worthless if you are not on nofap
You still need your natural DHT and Zinc to remodelling your bones
Also don't inject T or use SARMS
If you get 10 cm vertical growth please send the result in a thread
 
Also forgot to post my height increase routine here:

MORNING
-
Berg stretching method
- Tadasana
- Posture exercises
- Bar hanging
- Contrast/cold shower

AFTERNOON
-
Bar hanging
- big lunch with lots of proteins

EVENING
-
Bar hanging
- Light dinner with cottage cheese or vegetables, sometimes I skip dinner for more growth hormone production
- Berg stretching method
- Tadasana
- inversion hang 5 minutes with additional weight, very much straightens the spine
- Listening to affirmations and doing visualization
It won't work
You need the one from that app
Also swimming regularly
 
ye im working hard on it

I started taking 6.25 grams of aromasin from today and I am waiting for my hgh. I also took the blood test for estradiol and will do them every week for the first time, because I am very afraid of destroying myself. Btw my estradiol levels are quite high, 23 pg/ml, so I plan to increase the dose of exemestane to 12.5 grams per day, I think it would be better.

Also now I want to order more Igf-1, Hexarelin and Sam-e. But to be honest, it’s not clear to me whether it’s worth taking Igf-1 if I already will give myself somatropin injections and eat about 250 grams of protein per day

I also adhere to the following principles:
- Drinking 2200-3000 ml per day
- Eating around 2000 calories and fasting sometimes
- I go to bed at about 20:30 and get up at 4:50 to have time to do the whole morning routine
- I don't eat anything harmful and I don't fap
- keep a straight posture all day
- I eat tons of various dietary supplements
- and in general I do everything for my health, even such strange things as self-hypnosis and visualization of how I grow up before going to bed

The only thing that worries me is that earlier, about six months ago, I gave myself injections of testosterone and a lot of fap. I'm afraid that this could affect my growth and development plates, I hope I didn't ruin myself too much

I also took hgh a year ago being completely inexperienced, but I only got 20 IU in total then, I hope that this also did not negatively affect my growth (btw I grew after that by 4 cm (1.57 inches), but stopped at around 174 cm (5.71 feet) and have not grown for 3 months)


Well, now I hope that I will not be mistaken in anything and get my dream 6.2 feet, this has become the goal of my life and I even dropped out of school to get it, because at my current height I feel like an inferior person
If you want to fully committed to those then 2 years nofap is must.
DHT is really important to make all those stack work
 
ye im working hard on it

I started taking 6.25 grams of aromasin from today and I am waiting for my hgh. I also took the blood test for estradiol and will do them every week for the first time, because I am very afraid of destroying myself. Btw my estradiol levels are quite high, 23 pg/ml, so I plan to increase the dose of exemestane to 12.5 grams per day, I think it would be better.

Also now I want to order more Igf-1, Hexarelin and Sam-e. But to be honest, it’s not clear to me whether it’s worth taking Igf-1 if I already will give myself somatropin injections and eat about 250 grams of protein per day

I also adhere to the following principles:
- Drinking 2200-3000 ml per day
- Eating around 2000 calories and fasting sometimes
- I go to bed at about 20:30 and get up at 4:50 to have time to do the whole morning routine
- I don't eat anything harmful and I don't fap
- keep a straight posture all day
- I eat tons of various dietary supplements
- and in general I do everything for my health, even such strange things as self-hypnosis and visualization of how I grow up before going to bed

The only thing that worries me is that earlier, about six months ago, I gave myself injections of testosterone and a lot of fap. I'm afraid that this could affect my growth and development plates, I hope I didn't ruin myself too much

I also took hgh a year ago being completely inexperienced, but I only got 20 IU in total then, I hope that this also did not negatively affect my growth (btw I grew after that by 4 cm (1.57 inches), but stopped at around 174 cm (5.71 feet) and have not grown for 3 months)


Well, now I hope that I will not be mistaken in anything and get my dream 6.2 feet, this has become the goal of my life and I even dropped out of school to get it, because at my current height I feel like an inferior person
Mirin dedication
 
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Those stack is worthless if you are not on nofap
You still need your natural DHT and Zinc to remodelling your bones
Also don't inject T or use SARMS
If you get 10 cm vertical growth please send the result in a thread
ok i plan to achieve this in 6 months
 
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I also took hgh a year ago being completely inexperienced, but I only got 20 IU in total then, I hope that this also did not negatively affect my growth (btw I grew after that by 4 cm (1.57 inches), but stopped at around 174 cm (5.71 feet) and have not grown for 3 months)


Well, now I hope that I will not be mistaken in anything and get my dream 6.2 feet, this has become the goal of my life and I even dropped out of school to get it, because at my current height I feel like an inferior person
This mistake is almost fatal for you
Never use HGH without using exemestane
HGH alone will make your bone age accelerated according to most pediatric.

If you want to use HGH the first thing that you must use is exemestane
Also listen here don't use every other aromatase inhibitor except Exemestane

Estrogen blocker like letrozole, arimidex, anastrazole, etc will create estrogen rebound which is bad for you
 
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You need to do more than heightmaxxing
At that age you need to expand your maxilla further


Spare 250 us dollar for this
But you need to wear this for 1,5 years if I read from your age.
50 N - 80 N force should be enough to make you have forward grown maxilla using third Newton's law
 
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I'm still trying to digest all the information that you gave me before

You need to do more than heightmaxxing
At that age you need to expand your maxilla further



Spare 250 us dollar for this
But you need to wear this for 1,5 years if I read from your age.
50 N - 80 N force should be enough to make you have forward grown maxilla using third Newton's law


looks interesting to me, because in addition to heightmaxing, I also do mewing thoroughly to get a sharp jaw and get rid of rhinitis (chewing, thumb-pulling 2 minutes 3 times a day, chin tucks 50 times 3 times a day)
I just took off my braces a year ago and now I’m wearing retainers, I’m going to cut them out on my two front teeth, won’t this hinder progress?

I also looked at the exercises from the application that you advised me and found out that there are quite a lot of jumping exercises, I studied the information that any jumps create compression of the intervertebral discs, which will not allow spine to grow (I read the freakkforlife method)

let me clarify about DHT, it's an androgel am I right? Isn't it almost the same as testosterone injections?

thank you for your advice, what else can I do at my age to become much better in the future?
 
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I'm still trying to digest all the information that you gave me before




looks interesting to me, because in addition to heightmaxing, I also do mewing thoroughly to get a sharp jaw and get rid of rhinitis (chewing, thumb-pulling 2 minutes 3 times a day, chin tucks 50 times 3 times a day)
I just took off my braces a year ago and now I’m wearing retainers, I’m going to cut them out on my two front teeth, won’t this hinder progress?

I also looked at the exercises from the application that you advised me and found out that there are quite a lot of jumping exercises, I studied the information that any jumps create compression of the intervertebral discs, which will not allow spine to grow (I read the freakkforlife method)

let me clarify about DHT, it's an androgel am I right? Isn't it almost the same as testosterone injections?

thank you for your advice, what else can I do at my age to become much better in the future?
Hell nah
DHT gel wont convert into estrogen like testosterone did
It will make your shaft grow bigger and thiccker
But main failo of DHT gel is natural DHT production shutdown
 
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I'm still trying to digest all the information that you gave me before




looks interesting to me, because in addition to heightmaxing, I also do mewing thoroughly to get a sharp jaw and get rid of rhinitis (chewing, thumb-pulling 2 minutes 3 times a day, chin tucks 50 times 3 times a day)
I just took off my braces a year ago and now I’m wearing retainers, I’m going to cut them out on my two front teeth, won’t this hinder progress?

I also looked at the exercises from the application that you advised me and found out that there are quite a lot of jumping exercises, I studied the information that any jumps create compression of the intervertebral discs, which will not allow spine to grow (I read the freakkforlife method)

let me clarify about DHT, it's an androgel am I right? Isn't it almost the same as testosterone injections?

thank you for your advice, what else can I do at my age to become much better in the future?
Not androgel but proviron
 
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So my actual stack is:

- HGH
- Aromasine
- IGF-1 LR3
- Folic Acid
- SAM-E
- MSM

isn't that a lot? can my liver handle it?
Drop MSM it will stunt your progress
 
So my actual stack is:

- HGH
- Aromasine
- IGF-1 LR3
- Folic Acid
- SAM-E
- MSM

isn't that a lot? can my liver handle it?
Yeah i guess
Regular cancer patients whose condition worse than us have to take exemestane for 5 years
 

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