are the potential side effects of fin worth it?

[twilight]

i'm diffuse thinning and hairline is slowly changing so i'm not sure cause i've heard about the horror stories. I'm on nizoral right now. Derek mpmd recommended to get T levels checked so you know your baseline before using fin so not sure about that either

 

[pizza]

Fin is trash

 

[Deleted member 6403]

nawl

 

[JackHanma]

I got really bad sides from oral fin at 1.25mg daily, imo you should use something topically to combat the androgen side of things, like RU58841 or S4 (Andarine, its a sarm) and take 2.5 - 5mg of oral minoxidil daily as the growth stimulator. You can even take fin or dut as a topical as opposed to an oral systemic drug, which I would recommend 100% of the time over oral administration if you still decide on the 5ar route of things.

Fixing hair loss has been described as a two part process, you have to turn off the red light (block the heavy androgen signally that is triggering follicle shrinkage) as well as turn on the green light (provide a growth stimulus like minoxidil, micro needling, etc, to kick the hair follicles into overdrive). There are a lot of ways to turn off that red light that don't involve crushing systemic DHT, and they're worth considering.

Some people do very well on finasteride, so if you try it and don't get sides then by all means stay on it, it is very effective. I still would recommend adding in oral minox on top.

Just, something about absolutely crushing the most powerful androgen in the body as a man doesn't sit right with me. I didn't like how it made me feel mentally or physically, it was definitely *not* placebo. I felt mentally weaker and less confident, higher inhibition, my erections were softer, my cum was watery and the ejaculation less powerful. It's been theorized that some men rely more on the testosterone for androgenic signally and some more on DHT, if that theory holds water then I'm definitely a guy that needs DHT in my system to function.

 

[twilight]

I got really bad sides from oral fin at 1.25mg daily, imo you should use something topically to combat the androgen side of things, like RU58841 or S4 (Andarine, its a sarm) and take 2.5 - 5mg of oral minoxidil daily as the growth stimulator. You can even take fin or dut as a topical as opposed to an oral systemic drug, which I would recommend 100% of the time over oral administration if you still decide on the 5ar route of things.

Fixing hair loss has been described as a two part process, you have to turn off the red light (block the heavy androgen signally that is triggering follicle shrinkage) as well as turn on the green light (provide a growth stimulus like minoxidil, micro needling, etc, to kick the hair follicles into overdrive). There are a lot of ways to turn off that red light that don't involve crushing systemic DHT, and they're worth considering.

Some people do very well on finasteride, so if you try it and don't get sides then by all means stay on it, it is very effective. I still would recommend adding in oral minox on top.

Just, something about absolutely crushing the most powerful androgen in the body as a man doesn't sit right with me. I didn't like how it made me feel mentally or physically, it was definitely *not* placebo. I felt mentally weaker and less confident, higher inhibition, my erections were softer, my cum was watery and the ejaculation less powerful. It's been theorized that some men rely more on the testosterone for androgenic signally and some more on DHT, if that theory holds water then I'm definitely a guy that needs DHT in my system to function.

hi iq response, where to get RU58841 from? and wouldn't oral minox fuck u up cause the side effects are systemic

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

I got really bad sides from oral fin at 1.25mg daily, imo you should use something topically to combat the androgen side of things, like RU58841 or S4 (Andarine, its a sarm) and take 2.5 - 5mg of oral minoxidil daily as the growth stimulator. You can even take fin or dut as a topical as opposed to an oral systemic drug, which I would recommend 100% of the time over oral administration if you still decide on the 5ar route of things.

Fixing hair loss has been described as a two part process, you have to turn off the red light (block the heavy androgen signally that is triggering follicle shrinkage) as well as turn on the green light (provide a growth stimulus like minoxidil, micro needling, etc, to kick the hair follicles into overdrive). There are a lot of ways to turn off that red light that don't involve crushing systemic DHT, and they're worth considering.

Some people do very well on finasteride, so if you try it and don't get sides then by all means stay on it, it is very effective. I still would recommend adding in oral minox on top.

Just, something about absolutely crushing the most powerful androgen in the body as a man doesn't sit right with me. I didn't like how it made me feel mentally or physically, it was definitely *not* placebo. I felt mentally weaker and less confident, higher inhibition, my erections were softer, my cum was watery and the ejaculation less powerful. It's been theorized that some men rely more on the testosterone for androgenic signally and some more on DHT, if that theory holds water then I'm definitely a guy that needs DHT in my system to function.

5mg oral min is overkill don’t go any higher than 2.5

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

fin side effects are a meme. 99% of the time they're just a result of dudes freaking out after taking the first pill so they quit and go on forums to tell tales.

 

[Deleted member 1140]

just use all things you can do without taking a dht blocker (nizoral, dermaroll, tropical minox etc) and hope that your recession isnt super aggressive. if it isnt, get a hairtransplant by a good surgeon in turkey. its like 2500-3000 euro with hotel included and shit

im doing the same rn. too high inhib to take fin cuz my erections and libido are sometimes already weak cuz of other reasons (porn, no cardio, bad diet sometimes)

 

[Deleted member 14139]

just use all things you can do without taking a dht blocker (nizoral, dermaroll, tropical minox etc) and hope that your recession isnt super aggressive. if it isnt, get a hairtransplant by a good surgeon in turkey. its like 2500-3000 euro with hotel included and shit

im doing the same rn. too high inhib to take fin cuz my erections and libido are sometimes already weak cuz of other reasons (porn, no cardio, bad diet sometimes)

just drop 3000 euros bro so your new transplanted hairs fall out too and you run out of donor area


stop giving advice

 

[Deleted member 1332]

I have taken fin for 1.5+ years and only side is that I've kept my hair lol

 

[twilight]

I have taken fin for 1.5+ years and only side is that I've kept my hair lol

whats your lifestyle like for health

 

[JackHanma]

I have taken fin for 1.5+ years and only side is that I've kept my hair lol

N = 1

 

[SteveRogers]

I got really bad sides from oral fin at 1.25mg daily, imo you should use something topically to combat the androgen side of things, like RU58841 or S4 (Andarine, its a sarm) and take 2.5 - 5mg of oral minoxidil daily as the growth stimulator. You can even take fin or dut as a topical as opposed to an oral systemic drug, which I would recommend 100% of the time over oral administration if you still decide on the 5ar route of things.

Fixing hair loss has been described as a two part process, you have to turn off the red light (block the heavy androgen signally that is triggering follicle shrinkage) as well as turn on the green light (provide a growth stimulus like minoxidil, micro needling, etc, to kick the hair follicles into overdrive). There are a lot of ways to turn off that red light that don't involve crushing systemic DHT, and they're worth considering.

Some people do very well on finasteride, so if you try it and don't get sides then by all means stay on it, it is very effective. I still would recommend adding in oral minox on top.

Just, something about absolutely crushing the most powerful androgen in the body as a man doesn't sit right with me. I didn't like how it made me feel mentally or physically, it was definitely *not* placebo. I felt mentally weaker and less confident, higher inhibition, my erections were softer, my cum was watery and the ejaculation less powerful. It's been theorized that some men rely more on the testosterone for androgenic signally and some more on DHT, if that theory holds water then I'm definitely a guy that needs DHT in my system to function.

100%,
I’ve just started fin, been using nizoral for about 1.5 years, will pair these.
Also gonna microneedle with derma pen to stimulate growth factors (fuck destroying my collagen with minox)
Fin is only 60% of DHT so I’m pretty confident I won’t experience any sides.
Is S4 good for hair?? I have some on hand currently; it’s my favourite SARM tbh (I take low doses; 15mg ED)

I think the best way is prevention; which is mostly what I’m doing; I’ve noticed very slight recession on the outsides of my temple, and very slight thinning, so whilst it looks like nothing to the naked eye, I know for sure I’d need it eventually (literally every male on both sides of my family has ZERO hair after the age of 30, my grand father lost his at 17, legit ALL of it. The only one who has hair went on fin like 15 years ago when he was 20, he still has thick as fuck hair)
So my hope is that with this prevention, I’ll be able to keep my hair for decades to indefinitely.
Also, I was oooking into topical fin; useless, goes systemic.
Topical dut is super promising though.
The thought of completely nuking my DHT is a bad thought, however I’d rather keep my hair.

In a couple years I’ll likely hop on TRT and add RU into the mix, unless topical dut goes more mainstream and is proven to be efficacious.
For me, the systemic 60% decrease in DHT + topical anti androgen in the form of ketoconazole + growth factors in the form of 1.5mm micro needling w/ castor oil, should be enough until I’m at least 50-60 (I’m 21)

 

[SteveRogers]

tropical

 

[Deleted member 1332]

whats your lifestyle like for health

From my personal experience lifestyle is pretty much irrelevant for 99% of hairloss cases. Only time I've seen measurable hairloss from environmental factors is from severe mental stress, i.e. a close family member dies

 

[ErbCel]

Ketoconazole once a week
Minoxidil 5% once or twice daily
Microneedling 1mm deep every two weeks I'd say
This will encourage regrowth but won't prevent hair fall, you need an anti androgen
Either you can take palm tree extract pills or try 0.5 mg fin (cut the pill in half idk) every other day and slowly up the dosage. In most cases if you're not fat and have a decent hormonal system fin won't have heavy sides, btw fin increases your T
If you don't want to go the fin or palm extract route you can try 7% fluridil, it's a topical anti androgen with 0 side effects since the molecule gets destroyed or something when it enters your blood

 

[JackHanma]

just drop 3000 euros bro so your new transplanted hairs fall out too and you run out of donor area


stop giving advice

Who's your pfp

 

[Deleted member 1140]

just drop 3000 euros bro so your new transplanted hairs fall out too and you run out of donor area


stop giving advice

newly transplanted hair dont fall out. its the hair behind the transplant.

they dont take dht immune hair from the back of your hair for no reason

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

newly transplanted hair dont fall out. its the hair behind the transplant.

they dont take dht immune hair from the back of your hair for no reason

Is that true? Based hair transplanters tbh

 

[Deleted member 1140]

Is that true? Based hair transplanters tbh

yep, you can google it

thats why people with male patterns baldness usually start receding at the top and then either stop at nw 3-5-4 or keep receding until the back of the head but its very rare that you lose your full head of hair (sides and back). this hair are immune to DHT and dont fall out

 

[TsarTsar444]

just drop 3000 euros bro so your new transplanted hairs fall out too and you run out of donor area


stop giving advice

And you should stop giving moronic advice, transplanted hair doesn't fall off, the normal hair behind the transplant falls off

 

[Deleted member 14139]

And you should stop giving moronic advice, transplanted hair doesn't fall off, the normal hair behind the transplant falls off

same outcome retardo, needs to be on fin after transplant