are these cosmetic procedures feasible? would this transformation be realistic?

[xlefort]

my first post here, honest feedback would be appreciated. here's the general concept of my ideal end goals.
(would post my before and after morph but org not letting me attach files for some reason.)
the following procedures are not in chronological order.
lefort i + bsso will be done together in a bimax.

mandibular recession - bsso + genioplasty (slightly downward)

lower third angularity - buccal fat removal + jaw angle implants (both minor)

maxillary recession - lefort i + marpe

nose - rhinoplasty with grafting for more projection + tip job
my nose and maxilla are dogshit, flat as fuck and completely screw up up my middle third dimo, but with lefort i + rhinoplasty, raising my alar base and reducing midface hollowing, my nose shape and projection should be closer to the ideal range.
eye area - supraorbital/infraorbital rim implants for better eye area dimorphism + minor lateral/vertical canthoplasty. periorbital fat grafting is a consideration if necessary.
the supraorbital rim implants are crucial, my natural frontal bone is recessed with my supras being arched, high set, and recessed so the implants really help with the straightness, low-settedness, and projection.

hair - eyebrow/hair transplant


is this all possible? i understand my analysis may be farfetched so i need some honest feedback and recommendations for surgeries. thanks in advance guys!

 

[Deleted member 261019]

send photo you probably don't need all that

 

[CkldPsycho]

upload your pic to imgur or somdwhere and share link, folks cant help you otherwise

 

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my first post here, honest feedback would be appreciated. here's the general concept of my ideal end goals.
(would post my before and after morph but org not letting me attach files for some reason.)
the following procedures are not in chronological order.
lefort i + bsso will be done together in a bimax.

mandibular recession - bsso + genioplasty (slightly downward)

lower third angularity - buccal fat removal + jaw angle implants (both minor)

maxillary recession - lefort i + marpe

nose - rhinoplasty with grafting for more projection + tip job
my nose and maxilla are dogshit, flat as fuck and completely screw up up my middle third dimo, but with lefort i + rhinoplasty, raising my alar base and reducing midface hollowing, my nose shape and projection should be closer to the ideal range.
eye area - supraorbital/infraorbital rim implants for better eye area dimorphism + minor lateral/vertical canthoplasty. periorbital fat grafting is a consideration if necessary.
the supraorbital rim implants are crucial, my natural frontal bone is recessed with my supras being arched, high set, and recessed so the implants really help with the straightness, low-settedness, and projection.

hair - eyebrow/hair transplant


is this all possible? i understand my analysis may be farfetched so i need some honest feedback and recommendations for surgeries. thanks in advance guys!

Send photo you could be analysing wrong

 

[xlefort]

pictures:

 

[tweaqo]

Oh brother u got lots of learning to do

 

[xlefort]

wanna give me your two cents?

 

[CkldPsycho]

dont touch the lower jaw, if anything its closer to being overprojected than recessed. do supras and lefort first, the latter might even already fix your droopy nose tip. buccal fat, jaw implants etc should be lower priority for now

 

[xlefort]

dont touch the lower jaw, if anything its closer to being overprojected than recessed. do supras and lefort first, the latter might even already fix your droopy nose tip. buccal fat, jaw implants etc should be lower priority for now

you think my mandible is closer to being overprojected? i don't pass any lip assessments, and correct me if i'm wrong, but i think it's just because my maxilla is severely recessed it makes my lower jaw look more prominent contextually. i'm lacking angularity in my lower third as well, it's more apparent in the front profile. (although i do agree that it is a necessity to precede all procedures with lefort i followed by orbital rim implants.)

"the latter might even already fix your droopy nose tip." if it doesn't, do you agree i should get a rhinoplasty to fix the tip? while i'm at it, lefort i will only project my premaxilla and the supraorbital rim implants will leave my nasal bridge unaffected, so should i not get radix augmentation/grafting for more overall nasal projection? i ask this because my nasofrontal angle is quite obtuse. of course this is all hypothetical

if you've read this far i appreciate u brother. my morph, although very rough, unrefined, and exaggerated, mainly illustrates what i want to procedurally accomplish with my eye area. the relative pfl and canthal tilt are improved by the canthoplasty. it's really easy to get uncanny results with cantho, so i'll be sure to make it subtle. combining this with the supra/infraorbital rim implants, (disregarding coloring and softmaxxes to my lashes and eyebrows) do you think it's within the realm of possibility to achieve a result similar to that of my morph? i believe my high set eyebrows and weak brow ridge completely fuck up the dimo of my eyes. it's the biggest change in the transformation and i wanna set my expectations realistically.

 

[CkldPsycho]

you think my mandible is closer to being overprojected? i don't pass any lip assessments, and correct me if i'm wrong, but i think it's just because my maxilla is severely recessed it makes my lower jaw look more prominent contextually. i'm lacking angularity in my lower third as well, it's more apparent in the front profile. (although i do agree that it is a necessity to precede all procedures with lefort i followed by orbital rim implants.)

yeah, im using your eye area/browridge (even if augmented) as reference and dont think you need lower jaw advancement. for angularity implants and fillers help

"the latter might even already fix your droopy nose tip." if it doesn't, do you agree i should get a rhinoplasty to fix the tip? while i'm at it, lefort i will only project my premaxilla and the supraorbital rim implants will leave my nasal bridge unaffected, so should i not get radix augmentation/grafting for more overall nasal projection? i ask this because my nasofrontal angle is quite obtuse. of course this is all hypothetical

yes you can always get a rhino after if you still want or if the nasal base gets too wide from the lefort and combine it with radix augmentation

if you've read this far i appreciate u brother. my morph, although very rough, unrefined, and exaggerated, mainly illustrates what i want to procedurally accomplish with my eye area. the relative pfl and canthal tilt are improved by the canthoplasty. it's really easy to get uncanny results with cantho, so i'll be sure to make it subtle. combining this with the supra/infraorbital rim implants, (disregarding coloring and softmaxxes to my lashes and eyebrows) do you think it's within the realm of possibility to achieve a result similar to that of my morph? i believe my high set eyebrows and weak brow ridge completely fuck up the dimo of my eyes. it's the biggest change in the transformation and i wanna set my expectations realistically.

canthal tilt prob yeah and supras could look even better, your morph still has a very sloped forehead

 

[lurking truecel]

pictures:

Fuck off woth that morph authist

 

[xlefort]

Fuck off woth that morph authist

you think its achievable?

 

[xlefort]

yeah, im using your eye area/browridge (even if augmented) as reference and dont think you need lower jaw advancement. for angularity implants and fillers help

got it. valuable feedback, needed a fresh set of eyes fs
BUT i still see my chin is slightly recessed relative to my lower lip since it's so protrusive and pouty.

yes you can always get a rhino after if you still want or if the nasal base gets too wide from the lefort and combine it with radix augmentation

with the rhino, do you think it's feasible to add projection to my entire nasal bridge? i feel i need more depth not only in my nose but overall.

canthal tilt prob yeah and supras could look even better, your morph still has a very sloped forehead

supras could look even better? i feel in my morph the supra change was extreme, the dimorphism drastically changed. can you show me an example or maybe another morph of where my forehead should be? i'm confused as to how i can achieve that with supraorbital augmentation.

 

[Aqualad]

Put all money and effort into fixing your midface region, then you can worry about the rest. So according to your plan that would be rhino and lefort.

Planning multiple different surgeries before fixing your biggest flaw is a waste of time and will confuse you anyway Gl

 

[xlefort]

Put all money and effort into fixing your midface region, then you can worry about the rest. So according to your plan that would be rhino and lefort.

thanks bro! always love to see genuine helpful advice. i realized rhino/lefort were going to be priorities early on anyways.

if i commit to lefort i first, do i do the bsso after to fix bite misalignment? i see very frequently both procedures being done in unison through bimax, do you suggest i only augment my midface before advancing my mandible/getting genio? (genio wouldn't be sliding.)

Planning multiple different surgeries before fixing your biggest flaw is a waste of time and will confuse you anyway Gl

this is very true. i just really want to know what i can expect in totality. disregarding my maxillary deficiencies, would you say my second biggest flaw is my eye area? it's lacking any and all dimorphism/contrast and i can't help but think supraorbital rim implants are mandatory in my greater surgical transformation.
appreciate the help brotha

 

[Aqualad]

if i commit to lefort i first, do i do the bsso after to fix bite misalignment? i see very frequently both procedures being done in unison through bimax, do you suggest i only augment my midface before advancing my mandible/getting genio? (genio wouldn't be sliding.)

The only correct answer to a question like this is to talk to your surgeon (hopefully blackpilled) about it. When I had my bimax I had questions like these too. Unfortunately the surgeon is really the only one who actually tends to know what they’re talking about considering they do this all the time

Your mandible doesn’t really look recessed to me, although just going off of 1 photo can be misleading. If we pretend that we aren’t gonna ask the surgeon about this, I would likely do the lefort + rhino procedures first then assess whether I still want to advance my mandible. The reason why I’d go about it that way is because - you don’t know how much forward growth of the midface area you will achieve until afterwards. That applies to any surgery. The surgeon can give you morphs and a good idea of how your result will be - but it happens all the time where a patient feels under advanced/ over advanced. If you advance the mandible AND midface in the same surgery expecting your midface to “catch up” but the surgeries don’t look how you expected, then it turns into a whole shit fest. Anyways just ask ur surgeon. Also I think there’s fillers you can do for even more projection after the lefort so look into that

this is very true. i just really want to know what i can expect in totality. disregarding my maxillary deficiencies, would you say my second biggest flaw is my eye area? it's lacking any and all dimorphism/contrast and i can't help but think supraorbital rim implants are mandatory in my greater surgical transformation.
appreciate the help brotha

What’s important is fixing flaws that have a strong affect on your SMV. Afterwards you can focus on enhancements which supras would fall into. It’s easy to look at Sean opry and feel like your supras are dogshit, everyone on this forum does it, it’s just insecurity. Don’t let the incels on here brainwash you into thinking you need to look like a PSL god morph. Infact the morph you did of yourself already confirms you’re falling into the rabbit hole of blackpill autism so I’m going to heavily advise you to take a step back and look at things more maturely before you go and botch yourself.
No human being looks like that morph. Try to become the ideal version of yourself through surgery not a psl god morph

 

[xlefort]

The only correct answer to a question like this is to talk to your surgeon (hopefully blackpilled) about it. When I had my bimax I had questions like these too. Unfortunately the surgeon is really the only one who actually tends to know what they’re talking about considering they do this all the time

fair enough. do you say "hopefully the surgeon is blackpilled" because they'll authorize a more aesthetics-oriented procedure?
and with your bimax, how many mm of maxillary advancement did you manage to achieve?

Your mandible doesn’t really look recessed to me, although just going off of 1 photo can be misleading. If we pretend that we aren’t gonna ask the surgeon about this, I would likely do the lefort + rhino procedures first then assess whether I still want to advance my mandible. The reason why I’d go about it that way is because - you don’t know how much forward growth of the midface area you will achieve until afterwards. That applies to any surgery. The surgeon can give you morphs and a good idea of how your result will be - but it happens all the time where a patient feels under advanced/ over advanced. If you advance the mandible AND midface in the same surgery expecting your midface to “catch up” but the surgeries don’t look how you expected, then it turns into a whole shit fest. Anyways just ask ur surgeon. Also I think there’s fillers you can do for even more projection after the lefort so look into that

really good advice. assuming my maxilla is adequately projected, i fix my nose, and my overall midface recovery goes smoothly and i HYPOTHETICALLY still want advancement in my mandible, do you suggest i get bsso/vertical+sliding genioplasty? or both? i ask this because my mandibular plane angle is very flat as you can see in the before, but after the morph the angle becomes more sloped and obtuse. more downwardly grown.
i'm almost guaranteed to get (minor) jaw angle implants, my gonians aren't wide enough and they lack angularity. it's even more apparent in the front profile, and i doubt i'll get significant change naturally while i'm still 16.

What’s important is fixing flaws that have a strong affect on your SMV. Afterwards you can focus on enhancements which supras would fall into. It’s easy to look at Sean opry and feel like your supras are dogshit, everyone on this forum does it, it’s just insecurity. Don’t let the incels on here brainwash you into thinking you need to look like a PSL god morph. Infact the morph you did of yourself already confirms you’re falling into the rabbit hole of blackpill autism so I’m going to heavily advise you to take a step back and look at things more maturely before you go and botch yourself.

although i'm obviously neurodivergent and have a tendency to hyperfixate on subjects i'm passionate about, i still appreciate that bro cuz it's really true. i think anyone looking at my morph would think it's comical as shit and make the assumption that someone of my impressionable age is being indoctrinated with these false standards of male facial attractiveness. however, with no bias, that morph was to test the limits and exaggerate the ratios of the results i'd actually want to achieve, on top of the fact that i cooked it up in 5 minutes on a ripoff photoshop mobile app. i simply wanted to test the boundaries of what's possible, i don't desire to look like an alien or an identical copy of the morph i made and botch myself in the process.

I’m going to heavily advise you to take a step back and look at things more maturely before you go and botch yourself.
No human being looks like that morph. Try to become the ideal version of yourself through surgery not a psl god morph

you think my morph is a psl god? if i didn't fuck up the extreme eye area and overly developed lower third, i'd say the transformation is within the realm of possibility, no?
disregarding the uncanny aspects of the morph;

the midface projection/nose shape is completely achievable
the hair transplant and eyebrow/eyelash density is completely achievable
minor buccal fat removal for more hollow cheeks is completely achievable
slight jaw angle implants for better gonians (exaggerated lighting in morph to show constrast) is completely achievable
canthoplasty to improve relative pfl and canthal tilt is completely achievable, even in my morph my canthal tilt only increased by roughly 3.5 degrees. it's the advancement of my lateral canthus that makes it look unachievable, which i intentionally pushed far in the morph for illustrative purposes.
for the supras, i hear you. i'll try not to obsess over them. they were clearly extreme in the morph but i can't help but to want more contrast and dimorphism in my eye area given it's such an aesthetically impactful region of the face. will prioritize fixing more important features diminishing smv.
not even sure if i'm going to have any osteotomies performed on my mandible so that's that, again i admit i went overboard in the morph.

(just to challenge your response) perhaps: the final compiled result of these many medium-impact procedures compound in totality to make it look like the overall transformation is completely over-the-top unrealistic.
the eyes and mandible i can see are obviously overly exaggerated, which i understand. with that being said if you compartmentalize each and every ratio's change in the before and after, is there not a medium/low-risk surgery behind that respective change?
i'm not disagreeing with what you said, i absolutely concur with you where you say i should try to become an ideal version of myself and look at things through a more open lens. that's the ultimate goal i'm trying to achieve with hardmaxxing after all.
preciate your help bro if you read this far u the goat

 

[vermicel]

you think its achievable?

No.

I checked approx. 20 ratios for the side profile, and this what a close to ideal result would look like :

Based on this morph, you would need to rotate/set back the jaw ; build up the columella, nose tip, and ridge (grafting) ; shave a tiny bit off the dorsal hump ; build up / project forward the brow ridge, around the glabella.

Besides a thicker eyebrow, I didn't alter your eye region.
I added some density to the temple peek and sideburn, for the sake of it.

Comparison between your morph and mine :

One is an anime character, the other is a real human.

 

[Aqualad]

fair enough. do you say "hopefully the surgeon is blackpilled" because they'll authorize a more aesthetics-oriented procedure?
and with your bimax, how many mm of maxillary advancement did you manage to achieve?

Yeah I don't know if you mentioned functional issues but always go to a surgeon who has an eye for aesthetics.

My movements were: Upper: 3-4mm Lower: 9.6mm Pog: 21mm Menton: 23mm CCW: 10 degrees

really good advice. assuming my maxilla is adequately projected, i fix my nose, and my overall midface recovery goes smoothly and i HYPOTHETICALLY still want advancement in my mandible, do you suggest i get bsso/vertical+sliding genioplasty? or both? i ask this because my mandibular plane angle is very flat as you can see in the before, but after the morph the angle becomes more sloped and obtuse. more downwardly grown.
i'm almost guaranteed to get (minor) jaw angle implants, my gonians aren't wide enough and they lack angularity. it's even more apparent in the front profile, and i doubt i'll get significant change naturally while i'm still 16.

For the sake of answering this Im going to use the morph that the guy did above. Lets just pretend this is after fixing midface

I know Im not good at morphing i tried my best

To achieve this type of mandible you would likely do a vertical sliding genioplasty -- once again don't stress too much about understanding what procedures you need because a surgeon will tell you. However I dont see why a BSSO is necessary here

As for your gonions not being wide enough im assuming you are referring to your front profile. I genuinely think you should go for fillers rather than jaw angle implants. Theres a lot of misinformation on this forum about filler, everyone says its dogshit for many reasons. I've been abusing fillers for roughly 3 years now, I wanted the same thing as you -- minor enhancements to the mandible to look sharper. Filler does this job very well for me, the results are completely controlled unlike implants. there's no migration or whatever, that only happens when someone overfills and/or goes to a bad injector. One of the biggest ascensions on this forum, BlackGymMax, uses filler

I have never gotten jaw implants so dont take my word for it, but many knowledgeable people on this forum highlight many issues with jaw angle implants. Whether they are accurate issues or not, I wont speak on because I havent had implants. But I have seen very good results with both fillers and implants. It all depends on how much money you have, the risk youre willing to take, etc.

you think my morph is a psl god? if i didn't fuck up the extreme eye area and overly developed lower third, i'd say the transformation is within the realm of possibility, no?
disregarding the uncanny aspects of the morph;

A lot of the editing made your morph look like a cartoon so its hard to say. Supras actually seems like a good investment for you but not too many surgeons perform that as far as im aware, so tread lightly

im just going to be upfront with you -- you dont need some of these procedures. I understand the desire for perfectionism but its incredibly risky, and more importantly, incredibly unnecessary. This isnt something you will understand until after you get surgeries, but i will try to explain it to the best of my ability:

Before getting surgery I was like you, I wanted to get a lot of procedures and stand out. After fixing my mandible recession and just getting some enhancement fillers I was getting enough attention and validation from the opposite sex that the desire for perfection just wasn't there anymore, and i acknowledged how ridiculous it would be to even go that far. Clavicular is a good example of this, he's got it all but wants more. Luckily if your initial surgeries go well you will 100% understand what I mean, long story short a veil of insecurity gets lifted after you fix your heavy flaws. Understand that all of your sufferings related to looks and desires to be this morph like figure is all rooted in insecurity. Once you start to get validation from the world, the root issue of insecurity heals and you just become a different, more enlightened person mentally.

Just imagine a scenario where you are with a girl you find attractive and doing happy go lucky shit together like watching movies, you wont care about the surgery shit anymore. At least I didnt but maybe youre different who knows. Everyone on this forum shares a common trait: they dont get enough validation and acceptance from others. If you simply fix this issue everything else falls into place

It sounds really edgy and cringe I know but take my word for it, at the end of the day you are just an insecure guy like the rest of us who wants to feel like they're in control and not helpless anymore. U dont need to be an 8psl god to fix that

take it one surgery at a time, fixing the important flaws first, and if you're not satisfied feel free to do more. up to you

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Yeah I don't know if you mentioned functional issues but always go to a surgeon who has an eye for aesthetics.

My movements were: Upper: 3-4mm Lower: 9.6mm Pog: 21mm Menton: 23mm CCW: 10 degrees

For the sake of answering this Im going to use the morph that the guy did above. Lets just pretend this is after fixing midface
View attachment 4423670View attachment 4423671

I know Im not good at morphing i tried my best

To achieve this type of mandible you would likely do a vertical sliding genioplasty -- once again don't stress too much about understanding what procedures you need because a surgeon will tell you. However I dont see why a BSSO is necessary here

As for your gonions not being wide enough im assuming you are referring to your front profile. I genuinely think you should go for fillers rather than jaw angle implants. Theres a lot of misinformation on this forum about filler, everyone says its dogshit for many reasons. I've been abusing fillers for roughly 3 years now, I wanted the same thing as you -- minor enhancements to the mandible to look sharper. Filler does this job very well for me, the results are completely controlled unlike implants. there's no migration or whatever, that only happens when someone overfills and/or goes to a bad injector. One of the biggest ascensions on this forum, BlackGymMax, uses filler

I have never gotten jaw implants so dont take my word for it, but many knowledgeable people on this forum highlight many issues with jaw angle implants. Whether they are accurate issues or not, I wont speak on because I havent had implants. But I have seen very good results with both fillers and implants. It all depends on how much money you have, the risk youre willing to take, etc.

A lot of the editing made your morph look like a cartoon so its hard to say. Supras actually seems like a good investment for you but not too many surgeons perform that as far as im aware, so tread lightly

im just going to be upfront with you -- you dont need some of these procedures. I understand the desire for perfectionism but its incredibly risky, and more importantly, incredibly unnecessary. This isnt something you will understand until after you get surgeries, but i will try to explain it to the best of my ability:

Before getting surgery I was like you, I wanted to get a lot of procedures and stand out. After fixing my mandible recession and just getting some enhancement fillers I was getting enough attention and validation from the opposite sex that the desire for perfection just wasn't there anymore, and i acknowledged how ridiculous it would be to even go that far. Clavicular is a good example of this, he's got it all but wants more. Luckily if your initial surgeries go well you will 100% understand what I mean, long story short a veil of insecurity gets lifted after you fix your heavy flaws. Understand that all of your sufferings related to looks and desires to be this morph like figure is all rooted in insecurity. Once you start to get validation from the world, the root issue of insecurity heals and you just become a different, more enlightened person mentally.

Just imagine a scenario where you are with a girl you find attractive and doing happy go lucky shit together like watching movies, you wont care about the surgery shit anymore. At least I didnt but maybe youre different who knows. Everyone on this forum shares a common trait: they dont get enough validation and acceptance from others. If you simply fix this issue everything else falls into place

It sounds really edgy and cringe I know but take my word for it, at the end of the day you are just an insecure guy like the rest of us who wants to feel like they're in control and not helpless anymore. U dont need to be an 8psl god to fix that

take it one surgery at a time, fixing the important flaws first, and if you're not satisfied feel free to do more. up to you

That’s very wise and one of the truest shit I’ve heard on this forum

 

[xlefort]

No.

I checked approx. 20 ratios for the side profile, and this what a close to ideal result would look like :

View attachment 4422913

Based on this morph, you would need to rotate/set back the jaw ; build up the columella, nose tip, and ridge (grafting) ; shave a tiny bit off the dorsal hump ; build up / project forward the brow ridge, around the glabella.

Besides a thicker eyebrow, I didn't alter your eye region.
I added some density to the temple peek and sideburn, for the sake of it.

Comparison between your morph and mine :

View attachment 4422927

One is an anime character, the other is a real human.

hey thanks for going through the effort to check the ratios and make a morph yourself!

but i should be able to get a slightly more upturned nose tip and projected maxilla with lefort, correct? it seems you didn't simulate the results of lefort i. i know you said this, but evidently my midface and eye area are completely unaffected and i definitely feel there's surgical room for improvement in those areas.

i understand my old morph was very exaggerated. i appreciate you trying to frame it all more realistically for me.

 

[xlefort]

As for your gonions not being wide enough im assuming you are referring to your front profile. I genuinely think you should go for fillers rather than jaw angle implants. Theres a lot of misinformation on this forum about filler, everyone says its dogshit for many reasons. I've been abusing fillers for roughly 3 years now, I wanted the same thing as you -- minor enhancements to the mandible to look sharper. Filler does this job very well for me, the results are completely controlled unlike implants. there's no migration or whatever, that only happens when someone overfills and/or goes to a bad injector. One of the biggest ascensions on this forum, BlackGymMax, uses filler

i have my reasons for preferring them over filler

A lot of the editing made your morph look like a cartoon so its hard to say. Supras actually seems like a good investment for you but not too many surgeons perform that as far as im aware, so tread lightly

gotcha, this was a while ago too so i have more updated pictures. i'll be sure to proceed with caution regarding my supras.

im just going to be upfront with you -- you dont need some of these procedures. I understand the desire for perfectionism but its incredibly risky, and more importantly, incredibly unnecessary. This isnt something you will understand until after you get surgeries, but i will try to explain it to the best of my ability:

Before getting surgery I was like you, I wanted to get a lot of procedures and stand out. After fixing my mandible recession and just getting some enhancement fillers I was getting enough attention and validation from the opposite sex that the desire for perfection just wasn't there anymore, and i acknowledged how ridiculous it would be to even go that far. Clavicular is a good example of this, he's got it all but wants more. Luckily if your initial surgeries go well you will 100% understand what I mean, long story short a veil of insecurity gets lifted after you fix your heavy flaws. Understand that all of your sufferings related to looks and desires to be this morph like figure is all rooted in insecurity. Once you start to get validation from the world, the root issue of insecurity heals and you just become a different, more enlightened person mentally.

Just imagine a scenario where you are with a girl you find attractive and doing happy go lucky shit together like watching movies, you wont care about the surgery shit anymore. At least I didnt but maybe youre different who knows. Everyone on this forum shares a common trait: they dont get enough validation and acceptance from others. If you simply fix this issue everything else falls into place

It sounds really edgy and cringe I know but take my word for it, at the end of the day you are just an insecure guy like the rest of us who wants to feel like they're in control and not helpless anymore. U dont need to be an 8psl god to fix that

take it one surgery at a time, fixing the important flaws first, and if you're not satisfied feel free to do more. up to you

haha i didn't expect this much attention to detail in a response for someone on .org. i think about this a lot actually, and while your advice is absolutely helpful there are some points that don't personally apply to me. me going overboard with analysis of my facial flaws, obsessing over surgically perfecting my face, and making 7 psl morphs with hyper dimorphic ratios could understandably give someone the impression that i am deep into the incel bp rabbit hole and have no grasp on what will truly make me feel happier. however this couldn't be further from the truth because i recognize the toxicity and impractical absurdity of some of the mfs in the community. the truth is i don't want to look like my morph at all, i was primarily just curious about the limitations of what i could hypothetically achieve through cosmetic procedures. regardless i hear you what you're trying to say here.

also i have an updated side/front profile at my current age of 16 rather than 15, which i will upload shortly for more advice

 

[xlefort]

old pictures were a few months ago, updated pics below:
feel free to morph

 

[Aqualad]

i have my reasons for preferring them over filler

gotcha, this was a while ago too so i have more updated pictures. i'll be sure to proceed with caution regarding my supras.

haha i didn't expect this much attention to detail in a response for someone on .org. i think about this a lot actually, and while your advice is absolutely helpful there are some points that don't personally apply to me. me going overboard with analysis of my facial flaws, obsessing over surgically perfecting my face, and making 7 psl morphs with hyper dimorphic ratios could understandably give someone the impression that i am deep into the incel bp rabbit hole and have no grasp on what will truly make me feel happier. however this couldn't be further from the truth because i recognize the toxicity and impractical absurdity of some of the mfs in the community. the truth is i don't want to look like my morph at all, i was primarily just curious about the limitations of what i could hypothetically achieve through cosmetic procedures. regardless i hear you what you're trying to say here.

also i have an updated side/front profile at my current age of 16 rather than 15, which i will upload shortly for more advice

The main point I was trying to make is that the root issue of people in this forum is insecurity and feeling like they are not good enough, and that in the modern day world this is very fixable through cosmetic surgery. Many people interested in surgery are all in, if their surgeries dont go as planned they will kill themselves or lose all hope of being successful in life which is a very terrible view to have. I knew one guy who killed himself after getting BSSO + Genio because they fucked his chin up, and im sure theres more horror stories people dont know about. As someone whos gotten cosmetic surgery, the threshold for getting treated properly is actually a lot lower than people think. For me, when i got an ideal mandible thats what made the biggest difference, which was only 2 cosmetic procedures.

You just sound like you're more interested in enhancing your appearance which is a good thing, and actually makes a lot of sense considering you arent actually ugly like most people interested in surgery. You probably dont get treated bad by society with your current looks

@vermicel Can u morph his new photo

 

[xlefort]

The main point I was trying to make is that the root issue of people in this forum is insecurity and feeling like they are not good enough, and that in the modern day world this is very fixable through cosmetic surgery. Many people interested in surgery are all in, if their surgeries dont go as planned they will kill themselves or lose all hope of being successful in life which is a very terrible view to have. I knew one guy who killed himself after getting BSSO + Genio because they fucked his chin up, and im sure theres more horror stories people dont know about. As someone whos gotten cosmetic surgery, the threshold for getting treated properly is actually a lot lower than people think. For me, when i got an ideal mandible thats what made the biggest difference, which was only 2 cosmetic procedures.

yeah absolutely people get too tunnel-visioned in these types of spaces and that's all they end up living for. i got way too much other shit going for me to throw it all away fs, if i get botched or stop getting surgeries before that threshold you're talking about i'll accept it either way. the main fear i have is knowing i could have done something to improve myself and missing the oppurtunity. i have a mentality where i immediately accept the inevitable so i doubt it'll be a big issue for me i'm really chillin

You just sound like you're more interested in enhancing your appearance which is a good thing, and actually makes a lot of sense considering you arent actually ugly like most people interested in surgery. You probably dont get treated bad by society with your current looks

yeah for sure, i've never been satisfied with my looks just like the sea of insecure teenagers so i'm not really a special case in that sense. the main difference is i'm indifferent from the validation aspect of it, i've been given plenty of social affirmation by friends and family throughout my upbringing so self confidence and inhibitions were never an issue for me. that's also why i don't subscribe to the blackpill narrative and keep things more oriented around cosmetic surgery knowledge, facial aesthetics analysis, and human anatomy (i love drawing anatomy) which are all things i still have a lot to learn about.
and like you said i'm not terribly ugly and i have a decent height and physique for my age, i'm doing just fine in the real world which is what most people don't seem to assume lol

btw i made a new post i'll tag you in it

 

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