At which point does PCT become too excessive/pronounced

[Deleted member 10987]

yeah i dont deny gandy having more masculine eyes but he still has lots of pct and no better supraorbital than barrett
ur right barrett has slight palpebral slant where his entire eye is tilted though

Tbh
His eyes just look fem tbh

 

[Deleted member 13928]

how are his eyes feminine

Feminine positive canthal tilt.

 

[MisterMercedes]

Average male range of canthal tilt extends up to about 7 degrees of PCT maximum, so anything above this is definitely a failo.

For reference, Basso has about 7 degrees of PCT, and I’d say his eyes already look pretty feminine because of it:

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Average male range of canthal tilt extends up to about 7 degrees of PCT maximum, so anything above this is definitely a failo.

For reference, Basso has about 7 degrees of PCT, and I’d say his eyes already look pretty feminine because of it:

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I had heard that anything more than 4-6 degrees is too much for men. Also I had to ask that the supraorbital rims O'Pry has are straight throughout -

While Gandy's curve slightly at the end -

So which one is ideal?, fully straight throughout slightly curved at the ends?

 

[MisterMercedes]

I had heard that anything more than 4-6 degrees is too much for men. Also I had to ask that the supraorbital rims O'Pry has are straight throughout -
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While Gandy's curve slightly at the end -
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So which one is ideal?, fully straight throughout slightly curved at the ends?

Dude you’ve already asked me this and you’re yet to point out the actual difference you’re noticing.

 

[LastHopeForNorman]

Average male range of canthal tilt extends up to about 7 degrees of PCT maximum, so anything above this is definitely a failo.

For reference, Basso has about 7 degrees of PCT, and I’d say his eyes already look pretty feminine because of it:

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If i had tighter lower eyelids my eyes would look Like his

Cantoplasty tighten lower eyelids yes?

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Tbh
His eyes just look fem tbh

Gandy's medial canthus is downturned which looks feminine

 

[MisterMercedes]

If i had tighter lower eyelids my eyes would look Like his
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Cantoplasty tighten lower eyelids yes?

Yeah but that will most likely just make your eyelids look unnaturally squinty.

Basso has high cheekbones which cannot be replicated by tightening the lower lid.

 

[LastHopeForNorman]

Yeah but that will most likely just make your eyelids look unnaturally squinty.

Basso has high cheekbones which cannot be replicated by tightening the lower lid.

damm it

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Gandy's medial canthus is downturned which looks feminine

Rest is masc tho

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Dude you’ve already asked me this and you’re yet to point out the actual difference you’re noticing.

Oh yeah sorry

If you look at the red circle I have made over O'Pry's upper eyelid arch, you'll notice it is flat throughout, same goes with De Poot -

Now Gandy's upper eyelid arch is slightly curved at the ends if you follow the circle I have made -

So which one is ideal?, the one with fully flat upper eyelid arch or the one with slightly curved at end arch?, also is this an indicator of how straight or curved the supraorbital bones are?

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Rest is masc tho

Agreed 100 percent, his eye shape, eyebrows and their placement, hooding, maybe even positive canthal tilt is masculine

 

[StrangerDanger]

Oh yeah sorry

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If you look at the red circle I have made over O'Pry's upper eyelid arch, you'll notice it is flat throughout, same goes with De Poot -
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Now Gandy's upper eyelid arch is slightly curved at the ends if you follow the circle I have made -
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So which one is ideal?, the one with fully flat upper eyelid arch or the one with slightly curved at end arch?, also is this an indicator of how straight or curved the supraorbital bones are?

I see the difference

 

[StrangerDanger]

Oh yeah sorry

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If you look at the red circle I have made over O'Pry's upper eyelid arch, you'll notice it is flat throughout, same goes with De Poot -
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Now Gandy's upper eyelid arch is slightly curved at the ends if you follow the circle I have made -
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So which one is ideal?, the one with fully flat upper eyelid arch or the one with slightly curved at end arch?, also is this an indicator of how straight or curved the supraorbital bones are?

Maybe its the supraorbital projection not giving enough support to the fatpads making them sag at the lateral ends giving that illusion

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Agreed 100 percent, his eye shape, eyebrows and their placement, hooding, maybe even positive canthal tilt is masculine

He has bone hooding which he is masc
Only fem thing is PCT but rest is full masc

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Maybe its the supraorbital projection not giving enough support to the fatpads making them sag at the lateral ends giving that illusion

Could possibly be, Gandy's hooding has been called saggy by people here. What do you think?, which one seems ideal to you?

 

[StrangerDanger]

Could possibly be, Gandy's hooding has been called saggy by people here. What do you think?, which one seems ideal to you?

idk both look fine
but top has better angularity which I guess would be considered better pslwise but then again they look both more uncanny then gandy and I don't know whether that is a contributing factor

 

[Deleted member 13928]

He has bone hooding which he is masc
Only fem thing is PCT but rest is full masc

Slight positive canthal tilt is always masculine, only downturned medial canthus is feminine, but I feel it is a plus for him

 

[Deleted member 13928]

idk both look fine
but top has better angularity which I guess would be considered better pslwise but then again they look both more uncanny then gandy and I don't know whether that is a contributing factor

Exactly, Gandy's eyes would be better received and appreciated by everybody while O'Pry's and De Poot's have a niche appeal

 

[MisterMercedes]

Oh yeah sorry

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If you look at the red circle I have made over O'Pry's upper eyelid arch, you'll notice it is flat throughout, same goes with De Poot -
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Now Gandy's upper eyelid arch is slightly curved at the ends if you follow the circle I have made -
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So which one is ideal?, the one with fully flat upper eyelid arch or the one with slightly curved at end arch?, also is this an indicator of how straight or curved the supraorbital bones are?

I see no difference even though those pictures are from drastically different angles and also Gandy is old in that picture and upper eye fat pads sag with age.

Both fat pads seem “straight” to me.

 

[Deleted member 13928]

I see no difference even though those pictures are from drastically different angles and also Gandy is old in that picture and upper eye fat pads sag with age.

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Both fat pads seem “straight” to me.

Thanks so much, also is their a particular ideal supraorbital and infraorbital shape?

 

[MisterMercedes]

Thanks so much, also is their a particular ideal supraorbital and infraorbital shape?

All supraorbital rims and infraorbital rims are “shaped” the same.

However, males have blunter supraorbital margins due to higher cheekbones. This is what people here mean when they say “straight supraorbitals”.

High cheekbones “straight supraorbital rims”:

Medium set cheekbones “more rounded rims”:

Infraorbital rims are essentially just cheekbones, but the infra orbital margin is sharper in females due to shorter nasal bridges.

Sharp infraorbital margins:

Blunt infraorbital margins:

 

[Lawton88]

Oh yeah sorry

View attachment 1223216
If you look at the red circle I have made over O'Pry's upper eyelid arch, you'll notice it is flat throughout, same goes with De Poot -
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Now Gandy's upper eyelid arch is slightly curved at the ends if you follow the circle I have made -
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So which one is ideal?, the one with fully flat upper eyelid arch or the one with slightly curved at end arch?, also is this an indicator of how straight or curved the supraorbital bones are?

I would take Gandy's myself. Something about that curve seems to help imo.

 

[Deleted member 13928]

All supraorbital rims and infraorbital rims are “shaped” the same.

However, males have blunter supraorbital margins due to higher cheekbones. This is what people here mean when they say “straight supraorbitals”.

High cheekbones “straight supraorbital rims”:

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Medium set cheekbones “more rounded rims”:

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Infraorbital rims are essentially just cheekbones, but the infra orbital margin is sharper in females due to shorter nasal bridges.

Sharp infraorbital margins:

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Blunt infraorbital margins:

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Oh!!, that's a revelation now, thanks so much
One more question, I really am lost on the concept of what are high cheekbones, mid-set cheekbones and low-set cheekbones, I can't really figure it out in my face too, people say it should be near the eye area to be called "high" and near the nasal base to be called "low". Like you just shared an example of Dicaprio and called his cheekbones mid-set, and I always felt he had high cheekbones, while you told Salih and Gandy have high, and to me, Salih, Gandy and Dicaprio, all look like they have similarly placed cheekbones

 

[MisterMercedes]

Oh!!, that's a revelation now, thanks so much
One more question, I really am lost on the concept of what are high cheekbones, mid-set cheekbones and low-set cheekbones, I can't really figure it out in my face too, people say it should be near the eye area to be called "high" and near the nasal base to be called "low". Like you just shared an example of Dicaprio and called his cheekbones mid-set, and I always felt he had high cheekbones, while you told Salih and Gandy have high, and to me, Salih, Gandy and Dicaprio, all look like they have similarly placed cheekbones

People usually go off the position of the “ogee” or malar eminence to determined cheekbone height. This, however, is more of a measure of cheekbone size rather than actual position. Many people say Depp has low cheekbones due to his low ogee, but really he has average set cheekbones that are very large.

Same thing when people say women have high cheekbones. Women really just have smaller cheekbones, making their ogee higher.

To determine cheekbone height you should look at the height of your lateral can thus relative to your pupil.

People with high set cheekbones will typically have angles of 82-85 degrees:

People with average set cheekbones will typically have angles of 76-79 degrees:

People with low cheekbones will have 72-74 degrees:

Moderately high set cheekbones like Eriksen will fall under the 80-81 degree range, very high cheekbones will be over 85 degrees like Mittendorf, and very low cheekbones will be under 72 degrees.

 

[Deleted member 13928]

People usually go off the position of the “ogee” or malar eminence to determined cheekbone height. This, however, is more of a measure of cheekbone size rather than actual position. Many people say Depp has low cheekbones due to his low ogee, but really he has average set cheekbones that are very large.

Same thing when people say women have high cheekbones. Women really just have smaller cheekbones, making their ogee higher.

To determine cheekbone height you should look at the height of your lateral can thus relative to your pupil.

People with high set cheekbones will typically have angles of 82-85 degrees:

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People with average set cheekbones will typically have angles of 76-79 degrees:

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People with low cheekbones will have 72-74 degrees:

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Moderately high set cheekbones like Eriksen will fall under the 80-81 degree range, very high cheekbones will be over 85 degrees like Mittendorf, and very low cheekbones will be under 72 degrees.

Wow!, didn't really think of it that way. Would you please measure my angle if I direct message you my pictures?

 

[MisterMercedes]

Wow!, didn't really think of it that way. Would you please measure my angle if I direct message you my pictures?

Lateral can thus is bound to the frontal process of the zygomatic so a higher zygomatic bone means a higher lateral can thus, and the opposite for low zygomatic bones.

Sure.

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Lateral can thus is bound to the frontal process of the zygomatic so a higher zygomatic bone means a higher lateral can thus, and the opposite for low zygomatic bones.

Sure.

Thanks so much☺ I am gonna do it now

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Slight positive canthal tilt is always masculine, only downturned medial canthus is feminine, but I feel it is a plus for him

Slight PCT is unigender
Huge PCT is feminine

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Lateral can thus is bound to the frontal process of the zygomatic so a higher zygomatic bone means a higher lateral can thus, and the opposite for low zygomatic bones.

Sure.

Please check your conversations, I have sent a message

 

[dnrd]

God that eye color is brutal man... way too light and feminine. Honestly that PCT and hooding saves your eye area. There is such thing as overPCT, but your shit coloring does manage to “save” you in this case. Wouldn’t worry about it.

how hard are u coping rn

 

[Deleted member 13928]

People usually go off the position of the “ogee” or malar eminence to determined cheekbone height. This, however, is more of a measure of cheekbone size rather than actual position. Many people say Depp has low cheekbones due to his low ogee, but really he has average set cheekbones that are very large.

Same thing when people say women have high cheekbones. Women really just have smaller cheekbones, making their ogee higher.

To determine cheekbone height you should look at the height of your lateral can thus relative to your pupil.

People with high set cheekbones will typically have angles of 82-85 degrees:

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People with average set cheekbones will typically have angles of 76-79 degrees:

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People with low cheekbones will have 72-74 degrees:

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Moderately high set cheekbones like Eriksen will fall under the 80-81 degree range, very high cheekbones will be over 85 degrees like Mittendorf, and very low cheekbones will be under 72 degrees.

Does having an angle of above 85 degrees become unideal especially for men?
And please check your conversations, I have sent you a message

 

[MisterMercedes]

Does having an angle of above 85 degrees become unideal especially for men?
And please check your conversations, I have sent you a message

It would be hyper masculine for sure. The highest angle and thus cheekbone height I’ve ever seen is actually on a female, Kelly Mittendorf, and I would say it definitely failos her (she has an angle of about 89 degrees
:

Extremely high cheekbones like Mittendorf might be more attractive on a guy as it’s a dimorphic trait but it would still be an extreme deviation from the average and thus not ideal.

I’ve seen one guy with cheekbones as high as Mittendorf and he looked psychotic, not sure women are attracted to that extreme a degree of dimorphism.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

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It would be hyper masculine for sure. The highest angle and thus cheekbone height I’ve ever seen is actually on a female, Kelly Mittendorf, and I would say it definitely failos her (she has an angle of about 89 degrees
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Extremely high cheekbones like Mittendorf might be more attractive on a guy as it’s a dimorphic trait but it would still be an extreme deviation from the average and thus not ideal.

I’ve seen one guy with cheekbone’s as high as Mittendorf and he looked psychotic, not sure women are attracted to that extreme a degree of dimorphism.

Look ugly as hell
Not even masculine

 

[MisterMercedes]

M

Look ugly as hell
Not even masculine

Same with your earlier comment: A feature being ugly and masculine is not exclusive, especially on a female.

 

[StrangerDanger]

It would be hyper masculine for sure. The highest angle and thus cheekbone height I’ve ever seen is actually on a female, Kelly Mittendorf, and I would say it definitely failos her (she has an angle of about 89 degrees
:

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Extremely high cheekbones like Mittendorf might be more attractive on a guy as it’s a dimorphic trait but it would still be an extreme deviation from the average and thus not ideal.

I’ve seen one guy with cheekbones as high as Mittendorf and he looked psychotic, not sure women are attracted to that extreme a degree of dimorphism.

Does it have an apparent affect on the face apart from the lateral canthus being high?

 

[Deleted member 13928]

It would be hyper masculine for sure. The highest angle and thus cheekbone height I’ve ever seen is actually on a female, Kelly Mittendorf, and I would say it definitely failos her (she has an angle of about 89 degrees
:

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Extremely high cheekbones like Mittendorf might be more attractive on a guy as it’s a dimorphic trait but it would still be an extreme deviation from the average and thus not ideal.

I’ve seen one guy with cheekbones as high as Mittendorf and he looked psychotic, not sure women are attracted to that extreme a degree of dimorphism.

Please check your conversations, I have sent you a message

 

[MisterMercedes]

Does it have an apparent affect on the face apart from the lateral canthus being high?

Infraorbital rim will be higher, the malar eminence will most likely be higher, the ear canal will be higher, ears will most likely be positioned higher, eyebrow tail will be higher, surparorbital rim and thus upper eye fat will appear straighter, etc.

 

[Deleted member 13928]

Infraorbital rim will be higher, the malar eminence will most likely be higher, the ear canal will be higher, ears will most likely be positioned higher, eyebrow tail will be higher, surparorbital rim and thus upper eye fat will appear straighter, etc.

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[Deleted member 13928]

Infraorbital rim will be higher, the malar eminence will most likely be higher, the ear canal will be higher, ears will most likely be positioned higher, eyebrow tail will be higher, surparorbital rim and thus upper eye fat will appear straighter, etc.

So 82-85 degrees is ideal for men with high cheekbones?

 

[AscendingHero]

Not really, it looks feminine, but it looks good when it harmonizes well with your face. This male supermodel also has feminine positive canthal tilt -
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@Korea

Reminder this is DEV who got bullied off the forum by forum badboys and likening himself mogging Tom Cruise

 

[Korea]

@Korea

Reminder this is DEV who got bullied off the forum by forum badboys and likening himself mogging Tom Cruise
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Who would've guessed, someone with NCT was coping.

 

[Deleted member 1901]

pct is never a failo. light eye color is good

 

[Deleted member 16834]

Feline looks and big skull are MANDATORY