Atheism is cope;here's why.

[Klasik616]

You’re still confusing consequence with moral principle. Saying “Nazis were right politically” or “slavery is a preference” only proves my point: without God or an objective moral standard, morality is reduced to preference, power, and survival.

You call morality “human nature” or “empathy” — but that’s just biology dictating what feels good or protects your genes. You’ve admitted it yourself: law and social norms merely hide our raw impulses under fear of consequences. Take the police away and “true standards” emerge which is exactly the problem.

Politics, economics, empathy, laws none of that answers the ought question. You can’t say “helping others is good” without assuming something is objectively good,without that anchor, “moral” actions are just tactics to maximize survival or social approval.

That’s why transcendence matters. God gives morality weight beyond personal whim or collective enforcement. Without Him, you are just a soldier playing at ethics on a battlefield of instincts. You might call it freedom I call it the chaos of untamed will.

Pretty much agree, I stand for libertarianism. I don't have to explain why helping people is good, it's in the world helping. Your trying to larp that you don't know what I mean. Now explain what the "objetive morality" is, the one that doesn't exist.

 

[Vazelrr]

Pretty much agree, I stand for libertarianism. I don't have to explain why helping people is good, it's in the world helping. Your trying to larp that you don't know what I mean. Now explain what the "objetive morality" is, the one that doesn't exist.

Helping people is good because it’s in the world”? That’s exactly my point you’ve smuggled in a moral standard without admitting it. You’re appealing to a sense of “good” as if it exists in nature, but nature itself doesn’t care. Lions don’t value mercy, storms don’t value fairness. You feel helping is good, but why should anyone else?

Objective morality is a standard that exists independently of human whim, opinion, or survival instinct. It tells you some actions are right or wrong whether anyone believes it, whether anyone enforces it,whether you personally benefit. It’s the anchor that makes statements like “murder is wrong” more than just a preference.

Without that anchor, every “ought” is just your instinct or your social convention pretending to be law. You call it libertarianismI call it moral gambling,you can survive, you can prosper, you can “help” but without objective morality, there’s nothing guaranteeing your acts are truly good, or even meaningful beyond self-interest.

 

[Vazelrr]

Pretty much agree, I stand for libertarianism. I don't have to explain why helping people is good, it's in the world helping. Your trying to larp that you don't know what I mean. Now explain what the "objetive morality" is, the one that doesn't exist.

You claim “helping people is good because it’s in the world,” yet refuse to acknowledge the source of why it is good,Nature doesn’t reward justice, it doesn’t punish cruelty, it doesn’t care whether you survive or die,,all you have left is instinct, preference, and social approval the very things you call “morality.”

Objective morality exists beyond whim, culture, and self-interest,it is the standard that binds right and wrong even when no one enforces it, even when no one observes it, even when survival demands otherwise. You can call it “imaginary,” but without it, all human action is just survival masquerading as virtue,you have no armor against this truth either you admit morality is transcendent, or every moral claim you make is nothing but borrowed instinct dressed in rationalization. Every “ought” is a shadow until grounded in something greater than yourself.

The battlefield is not outside you. It is your mind. You can either kneel to reality, or pretend to fight while fighting nothing.

 

[Klasik616]

Helping people is good because it’s in the world”? That’s exactly my point you’ve smuggled in a moral standard without admitting it. You’re appealing to a sense of “good” as if it exists in nature, but nature itself doesn’t care. Lions don’t value mercy, storms don’t value fairness. You feel helping is good, but why should anyone else?

Objective morality is a standard that exists independently of human whim, opinion, or survival instinct. It tells you some actions are right or wrong whether anyone believes it, whether anyone enforces it,whether you personally benefit. It’s the anchor that makes statements like “murder is wrong” more than just a preference.

Without that anchor, every “ought” is just your instinct or your social convention pretending to be law. You call it libertarianismI call it moral gambling,you can survive, you can prosper, you can “help” but without objective morality, there’s nothing guaranteeing your acts are truly good, or even meaningful beyond self-interest.

Ok so start accepting it's all in your head there's no God that will wisper to you if what you're doing is right or wrong. Another principle I wanna remark is that you cannot force things, others have to understand and agree first. I cannot force people into my moral standards and make them give money to charity because it's good, I can only convince them why. Leftism is obviously flawed for this reason, once the law is taken away no one will keep giving money. You're acting like when people do you a favor that wouldn't mean shit if God doesn't exist JFL @looksmaxxed

 

[Klasik616]

You claim “helping people is good because it’s in the world,” yet refuse to acknowledge the source of why it is good,Nature doesn’t reward justice, it doesn’t punish cruelty, it doesn’t care whether you survive or die,,all you have left is instinct, preference, and social approval the very things you call “morality.”

Objective morality exists beyond whim, culture, and self-interest,it is the standard that binds right and wrong even when no one enforces it, even when no one observes it, even when survival demands otherwise. You can call it “imaginary,” but without it, all human action is just survival masquerading as virtue,you have no armor against this truth either you admit morality is transcendent, or every moral claim you make is nothing but borrowed instinct dressed in rationalization. Every “ought” is a shadow until grounded in something greater than yourself.

The battlefield is not outside you. It is your mind. You can either kneel to reality, or pretend to fight while fighting nothing.

You are beyond idealistic living in a fantasy, this is how basement dwellers think the world outside works like. Outside there is no God, just capitalism.

 

[brutal_blackpill]

morality is just human opinion

Yes, that is just correct.

Even if god existed, why does what he say is moral matter? It would still be ultimately someone's opinion, but just his. And Him being more powerful doesn't make his opinion on morals any more valid the same way a powerful person today's opinion on morality isn't more valuable than mine or yours

 

[brutal_blackpill]

Is it a coincidence that the universe was formed from nothing,saying the complexity of the cosmos was just a mistake is the same as spitting directly into God's face and calling his work nonsense, is it a coincidence that gravity is perfectly tuned for life? Is it a coincidence that the Sun has the perfect distance away from earth? Any closer it would burn everything any further it would be freezing? Is our very existence a coincidence? Atheism is nihilism but it's a tin foil hat weared by people who claim they're intelligent in reality they're just cowards who are afraid to face the reality that God is real.

is it a coincidence that there is a god who is all powerful, can read everyone's mind, knows everything, and continuously monitors gazillions of particles all over the universe at once?

if you think the universe needs a creator, then you must also think god needs a creator, since he is even more complex. when picking between two options, you pick the simpler one, and the universe existing for no reason is hell of a lot simpler than god existing for no reason

 

[Vazelrr]

Ok so start accepting it's all in your head there's no God that will wisper to you if what you're doing is right or wrong. Another principle I wanna remark is that you cannot force things, others have to understand and agree first. I cannot force people into my moral standards and make them give money to charity because it's good, I can only convince them why. Leftism is obviously flawed for this reason, once the law is taken away no one will keep giving money. You're acting like when people do you a favor that wouldn't mean shit if God doesn't exist JFL @looksmaxxed

If morality is “all in your head,” then every moral claim you make is merely preference dressed up in rhetoric. You can sincerely feel that giving to charity is noble but that feeling has no authority,It doesn’t make someone else obligated to give. It’s a taste. If someone robs, kills, or enslaves and truly prefers it, under your system they aren’t wrong they’re just different. That is not moral discourse, it’s tribal preference, You can’t force people, you must convince them” true. But why should anyone be convinced by reasons that amount to “this feels good” or “this helped my tribe”? Persuasion requires standards and arguments that reach beyond the speaker’s head. If your only ground is instincts or social conveniences, you have no basis to call those arguments binding,Good rhetoric can change minds, it cannot create moral necessity out of thin air, Suppose we accept your maxim: morals are social inventions and must be defended by persuasion, not force. Then why do you condemn historical evils Nazism, slavery, mass murder as objectively reprehensible rather than tragic cultural mistakes? Either you treat those things as merely different preferences (in which case your outrage is hypocrisy), or you tacitly accept standards that transcend cultures. Which is it?Finally, there is practical consequence societies need constraints that bind beyond momentary feelings, Law and civic virtue are not merely fashions if a people are to survive and flourish. The presence of persistent moral principles across civilizations is not a coincidence it is testimony that some rules function like truths that preserve human life and dignity.

So your dilemma reduces to a single choice, exposed and unshielded:

Admit your position fully and accept that “morality” becomes preference and nothing more then you lose the right to call anything truly wrong. Or

Accept that your outrage, your reasons, and your appeals rely on standards beyond taste standards that point to objective moral reality.

You can shout “it’s in my head” all day. That’s a confession, not a refutation. The walls of your argument are timber; I brought the siege engines,either rebuild on rock, or watch your reality fall silent.

 

[brutal_blackpill]

If morality is “all in your head,” then every moral claim you make is merely preference dressed up in rhetoric. You can sincerely feel that giving to charity is noble but that feeling has no authority,It doesn’t make someone else obligated to give. It’s a taste. If someone robs, kills, or enslaves and truly prefers it, under your system they aren’t wrong they’re just different. That is not moral discourse, it’s tribal preference, You can’t force people, you must convince them” true. But why should anyone be convinced by reasons that amount to “this feels good” or “this helped my tribe”? Persuasion requires standards and arguments that reach beyond the speaker’s head. If your only ground is instincts or social conveniences, you have no basis to call those arguments binding,Good rhetoric can change minds, it cannot create moral necessity out of thin air, Suppose we accept your maxim: morals are social inventions and must be defended by persuasion, not force. Then why do you condemn historical evils Nazism, slavery, mass murder as objectively reprehensible rather than tragic cultural mistakes? Either you treat those things as merely different preferences (in which case your outrage is hypocrisy), or you tacitly accept standards that transcend cultures. Which is it?Finally, there is practical consequence societies need constraints that bind beyond momentary feelings, Law and civic virtue are not merely fashions if a people are to survive and flourish. The presence of persistent moral principles across civilizations is not a coincidence it is testimony that some rules function like truths that preserve human life and dignity.

So your dilemma reduces to a single choice, exposed and unshielded:

Admit your position fully and accept that “morality” becomes preference and nothing more then you lose the right to call anything truly wrong. Or

Accept that your outrage, your reasons, and your appeals rely on standards beyond taste standards that point to objective moral reality.

You can shout “it’s in my head” all day. That’s a confession, not a refutation. The walls of your argument are timber; I brought the siege engines,either rebuild on rock, or watch your reality fall silent.

if you're gonna make an argument, try not to use fucking chat gpt

the dashes were a giveaway.

OP confirmed retard

 

[Vazelrr]

N

if you're gonna make an argument, try not to use fucking chat gpt

the dashes were a giveaway.

OP confirmed retard

LOL? Instead of calling it Ai why don't you Refute it nigga

 

[brutal_blackpill]

N

LOL? Instead of calling it Ai why don't you Refute it nigga

I already refuted your entire spiel. Morality is just human opinion. So fucking what? Almost everything you desire in life is nothing more than an opinion

 

[beckyslayer191]

Morality Without God Is Incoherent

If atheism is true, morality is just human opinion, No action (murder, betrayal, genocide) can be objectively wrong only “socially inconvenient.”

Yet atheists still argue about right and wrong passionately. They live as if morality is real, but their worldview gives them no foundation for it,borrowing morality from God while denying His existence.

Reason Presupposes a Lawgiver

If the brain is just chemicals fizzing randomly, why trust thoughts at all?Logic requires universal laws of truth but where do those come from in a godless universe?Atheists rely on reason daily, but their worldview can’t justify why reason works

using the gift of reason while denying its Giver.

Order Doesn’t Come From Nothing

Atheism claims the universe “just happened.But nothing in human experience suggests that raw chaos produces the fine-tuned laws of physics, life, and consciousness,the atheist answer is: “It’s just random chance.” That’s not an explanation it’s cope dressed intelligence, pretending chance is a substitute for creation

Atheism Collapses in Suffering

In times of deep pain, loss, or injustice, “nothing matters, it’s all random” offers no comfort,even atheists cry out for fairness, justice, and hope beyond the grave.

denying God until reality exposes the need for Him.

"The greatest trick Satan pulled was making people believe he doesn't exist"

Dnr but it is cope

 

[silently_said]

 

[Vazelrr]

Atheist are just niggas tryna make it seem they're intelligent when they're just nihilistic retards

 

[brutal_blackpill]

Atheist are just niggas tryna make it seem they're intelligent when they're just nihilistic retards

same nigga who just tried to use ai since he can't come up with his own argument

u got exposed for being a retard. I suggest you exit the thread

 

[Meteor21]

Morality Without God Is Incoherent

If atheism is true, morality is just human opinion, No action (murder, betrayal, genocide) can be objectively wrong only “socially inconvenient.”

Yet atheists still argue about right and wrong passionately. They live as if morality is real, but their worldview gives them no foundation for it,borrowing morality from God while denying His existence.

Reason Presupposes a Lawgiver

If the brain is just chemicals fizzing randomly, why trust thoughts at all?Logic requires universal laws of truth but where do those come from in a godless universe?Atheists rely on reason daily, but their worldview can’t justify why reason works

using the gift of reason while denying its Giver.

Order Doesn’t Come From Nothing

Atheism claims the universe “just happened.But nothing in human experience suggests that raw chaos produces the fine-tuned laws of physics, life, and consciousness,the atheist answer is: “It’s just random chance.” That’s not an explanation it’s cope dressed intelligence, pretending chance is a substitute for creation

Atheism Collapses in Suffering

In times of deep pain, loss, or injustice, “nothing matters, it’s all random” offers no comfort,even atheists cry out for fairness, justice, and hope beyond the grave.

denying God until reality exposes the need for Him.

"The greatest trick Satan pulled was making people believe he doesn't exist"

True, doesn't get us to your specific God tho. Claiming otherwise is where your coping begins

 

[Klasik616]

If morality is “all in your head,” then every moral claim you make is merely preference dressed up in rhetoric. You can sincerely feel that giving to charity is noble but that feeling has no authority,It doesn’t make someone else obligated to give. It’s a taste. If someone robs, kills, or enslaves and truly prefers it, under your system they aren’t wrong they’re just different. That is not moral discourse, it’s tribal preference, You can’t force people, you must convince them” true. But why should anyone be convinced by reasons that amount to “this feels good” or “this helped my tribe”? Persuasion requires standards and arguments that reach beyond the speaker’s head. If your only ground is instincts or social conveniences, you have no basis to call those arguments binding,Good rhetoric can change minds, it cannot create moral necessity out of thin air, Suppose we accept your maxim: morals are social inventions and must be defended by persuasion, not force. Then why do you condemn historical evils Nazism, slavery, mass murder as objectively reprehensible rather than tragic cultural mistakes? Either you treat those things as merely different preferences (in which case your outrage is hypocrisy), or you tacitly accept standards that transcend cultures. Which is it?Finally, there is practical consequence societies need constraints that bind beyond momentary feelings, Law and civic virtue are not merely fashions if a people are to survive and flourish. The presence of persistent moral principles across civilizations is not a coincidence it is testimony that some rules function like truths that preserve human life and dignity.

So your dilemma reduces to a single choice, exposed and unshielded:

Admit your position fully and accept that “morality” becomes preference and nothing more then you lose the right to call anything truly wrong. Or

Accept that your outrage, your reasons, and your appeals rely on standards beyond taste standards that point to objective moral reality.

You can shout “it’s in my head” all day. That’s a confession, not a refutation. The walls of your argument are timber; I brought the siege engines,either rebuild on rock, or watch your reality fall silent.

The standards that trascend culture is a moral myth, very popular in philosophy defended by both right and left wingers. This is the idea that history is also affected by God using a moral mission, this was popular during the modern era although it can be confusing because we don't judge historical events the same. For example, the conflict of Israel and Palestine. You will defend the nation with the culture you support. It doesn't matter what nation you defend, you know it's going to make war and war is gonna kill innocent people. Even though the historical events you mentioned are different it can also be explained by my theory of moral feelings which don't require God and are founded in psychology. But not all humans share these standards, there are "evil" people who don't have feelings for others but have emotions. These people are called inmoral and I agree if we explain it this way such as psychopaths. When I mean preference is not always "something that benefits me" but something I decide to do, don't confuse both. I can decide something that benefits or harms others, it doesn't matter. Using the word "right or wrong" is a way to convince people using *moral feelings* which is something you don't understand but is what's actually happening around the world, no God is acting behind us. The United Nations is the biggest moral institution nowadays not the Church. You are free to do anything but accept the consequences of going against society.

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

Morality is a manmade concept designed to keep the weak under control. Yes morality is fake, there I said it. There's no absolute morality. Killing another human is no different than killing a cow. It's just a made up belief anyway, it never existed.

 

[Vazelrr]

same nigga who just tried to use ai since he can't come up with his own argument

u got exposed for being a retard. I suggest you exit the thread

Funny there's thousands to millions of people who have similar typing styles does it mean they're using Ai? , and I'm not talking only about this forum Im referencing to the internet itself?Why are you running behind the excuse that my arguments are Ai? Does it change the fact that they're the truth?You can neither prove nor debunk;that I'm using Ai, the question remains can you Refute, that atheism isn't cope?

Funny nigga is just actually nihilistic but wants to sound intelligent so he calls himself atheistjfl at your life fucking bozo it's better you just kill yourself if you're nihilistic

 

[Vazelrr]

True, doesn't get us to your specific God tho. Claiming otherwise is where your coping begins

I wasn't referencing my Godbut I'm talking about A God

 

[Meteor21]

I wasn't referencing my Godbut I'm talking about A God

You referenced Satan

 

[Vazelrr]

You referenced Satan

I have short memory, also Satan is in multiple religions but I'm not referring to any religion as of now, just pointing to a God

 

[Klasik616]

Morality is a manmade concept designed to keep the weak under control. Yes morality is fake, there I said it. There's no absolute morality. Killing another human is no different than killing a cow. It's just a made up belief anyway, it never existed.

He thinks God is gonna prevent someone from being killed.

 

[brutal_blackpill]

Funny there's thousands to millions of people who have similar typing styles does it mean they're using Ai? , and I'm not talking only about this forum Im referencing to the internet itself?Why are you running behind the excuse that my arguments are Ai? Does it change the fact that they're the truth?You can neither prove nor debunk;that I'm using Ai, the question remains can you Refute, that atheism isn't cope?

Funny nigga is just actually nihilistic but wants to sound intelligent so he calls himself atheistjfl at your life fucking bozo it's better you just kill yourself if you're nihilistic

u sound 14. just stop typing ur embarrassing yourself

 

[Vazelrr]

u sound 14. just stop typing ur embarrassing yourself

Just running from the argument but sure whatever floats your boat buddyboyo

 

[Vazelrr]

The standards that trascend culture is a moral myth, very popular in philosophy defended by both right and left wingers. This is the idea that history is also affected by God using a moral mission, this was popular during the modern era although it can be confusing because we don't judge historical events the same. For example, the conflict of Israel and Palestine. You will defend the nation with the culture you support. It doesn't matter what nation you defend, you know it's going to make war and war is gonna kill innocent people. Even though the historical events you mentioned are different it can also be explained by my theory of moral feelings which don't require God and are founded in psychology. But not all humans share these standards, there are "evil" people who don't have feelings for others but have emotions. These people are called inmoral and I agree if we explain it this way such as psychopaths. When I mean preference is not always "something that benefits me" but something I decide to do, don't confuse both. I can decide something that benefits or harms others, it doesn't matter. Using the word "right or wrong" is a way to convince people using *moral feelings* which is something you don't understand but is what's actually happening around the world, no God is acting behind us. The United Nations is the biggest moral institution nowadays not the Church. You are free to do anything but accept the consequences of going against society.

You hide behind “moral feelings” and social enforcement, but without something beyond preference and instinct, all morality is just survival theater. Words like “right” and “wrong” are borrowed rhetoricempathy, norms, and institutions like the UN or the Church are tools, not truth. Psychopaths, tyrants, and cowards operate under the same “feelings” humans pretend are universal. Real morality exists beyond culture, consensus, and consequence it is anchored in something transcendent, and that is why God matters. Build your fortress on feelings, and it collapses the moment the indifferent arrive.

 

[Vazelrr]

Morality is a manmade concept designed to keep the weak under control. Yes morality is fake, there I said it. There's no absolute morality. Killing another human is no different than killing a cow. It's just a made up belief anyway, it never existed.

Ah, so morality is “fake” because it limits the weak? Congratulations, you just described every law, every institution, every social structure but the fact that humans built them doesn’t erase their function or necessity. Killing another human isn’t the same as killing a cow because humans are social beings with complex interactions, reciprocal obligations, and consequences morality arises from the fabric of society, not a cosmic commandment, but that doesn’t make it meaningless. Call it “made up” all you want it’s still the invisible thread holding civilization together. You can ignore it, but reality doesn’t bend to your nihilism.

 

[Klasik616]

Ah, so morality is “fake” because it limits the weak? Congratulations, you just described every law, every institution, every social structure but the fact that humans built them doesn’t erase their function or necessity. Killing another human isn’t the same as killing a cow because humans are social beings with complex interactions, reciprocal obligations, and consequences morality arises from the fabric of society, not a cosmic commandment, but that doesn’t make it meaningless. Call it “made up” all you want it’s still the invisible thread holding civilization together. You can ignore it, but reality doesn’t bend to your nihilism.

Humans kill themselves more than any other animal, morality is cope and fake.

 

[Vazelrr]

Humans kill themselves more than any other animal, morality is cope and fake.

And yet the very fact you can say “morality is fake” proves you’re borrowing its language “kill” is only a moral category because we both know there’s a difference between dropping dead of age and being murdered. Animals don’t debate right or wrong; only humans do,the battlefield of morality is uniquely human deny it all you want, but your words are soaked in the very concept you call “fake.” Without morality, your statement is just noise, not an argument.

 

[Gio pilled]

Morality Without God Is Incoherent

If atheism is true, morality is just human opinion, No action (murder, betrayal, genocide) can be objectively wrong only “socially inconvenient.”

Yet atheists still argue about right and wrong passionately. They live as if morality is real, but their worldview gives them no foundation for it,borrowing morality from God while denying His existence.

Reason Presupposes a Lawgiver

If the brain is just chemicals fizzing randomly, why trust thoughts at all?Logic requires universal laws of truth but where do those come from in a godless universe?Atheists rely on reason daily, but their worldview can’t justify why reason works

using the gift of reason while denying its Giver.

Order Doesn’t Come From Nothing

Atheism claims the universe “just happened.But nothing in human experience suggests that raw chaos produces the fine-tuned laws of physics, life, and consciousness,the atheist answer is: “It’s just random chance.” That’s not an explanation it’s cope dressed intelligence, pretending chance is a substitute for creation

Atheism Collapses in Suffering

In times of deep pain, loss, or injustice, “nothing matters, it’s all random” offers no comfort,even atheists cry out for fairness, justice, and hope beyond the grave.

denying God until reality exposes the need for Him.

"The greatest trick Satan pulled was making people believe he doesn't exist"

High IQ thread love this

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

Ah, so morality is “fake” because it limits the weak? Congratulations, you just described every law, every institution, every social structure but the fact that humans built them doesn’t erase their function or necessity. Killing another human isn’t the same as killing a cow because humans are social beings with complex interactions, reciprocal obligations, and consequences morality arises from the fabric of society, not a cosmic commandment, but that doesn’t make it meaningless. Call it “made up” all you want it’s still the invisible thread holding civilization together. You can ignore it, but reality doesn’t bend to your nihilism.

yes retard, all that is made up. Every law, rules, everything is made up by those in power, they made the rules but they dont even follow it, then they force the weak ones like u to follow it or get punished, from school to work, ur life is filled with made up rules. Civilization is just a fancy name for a mega prison. If ur in a civilization, then ur in a prison, controlled by those in power. Law, morality, rules, etc are the tools they use to keep u under control. And u just follow ur masters like a good little boy.

Humans are never even meant to live in a civilization. We can only form social relationship with like 150 people max, if u try more then u risk forgetting the rest. A civilization will force some to rise to power and some to be oppressed. This all points to that we as humans are only meant to live in small communities, maybe 150 people max, like in ancient times. Not in a civilized city with thousands and millions of people. A caveman thousands of years ago that lives in his little village, pick fruits, hunt animals, hang out with his villagers, just lives however he wants, is lives a life 100x more fulfilling than u or me.

Stop being so prideful, the only difference between u and a cow is that ur smarter. U breath the same air,u form social relation with ur fellow species, ur born from a father and mother and will have children of ur own, and u will still return to nature when u die, just like a cow. Are u really that different from a cow?

Civilization, morality, law, etc everything in that sense is made up, it is not reality. Reality is something that is natural, not made up by humans

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

Ah, so morality is “fake” because it limits the weak? Congratulations, you just described every law, every institution, every social structure but the fact that humans built them doesn’t erase their function or necessity. Killing another human isn’t the same as killing a cow because humans are social beings with complex interactions, reciprocal obligations, and consequences morality arises from the fabric of society, not a cosmic commandment, but that doesn’t make it meaningless. Call it “made up” all you want it’s still the invisible thread holding civilization together. You can ignore it, but reality doesn’t bend to your nihilism.

If a threat is using ur family as slaves, why is it wrong for u to hurt him? Only the threat will say u cant do anything to him bcs "Hurting others is wrong bcs muh morality". Of course in reality, its not like there's anything preventing u from hitting him with a rock in the head to save ur family. But ur stopped by a mental barrier than doesnt even exist. Civilization is basically a mega version of this analogy.

 

[Vazelrr]

yes retard, all that is made up. Every law, rules, everything is made up by those in power, they made the rules but they dont even follow it, then they force the weak ones like u to follow it or get punished, from school to work, ur life is filled with made up rules. Civilization is just a fancy name for a mega prison. If ur in a civilization, then ur in a prison, controlled by those in power. Law, morality, rules, etc are the tools they use to keep u under control. And u just follow ur masters like a good little boy.

Humans are never even meant to live in a civilization. We can only form social relationship with like 150 people max, if u try more then u risk forgetting the rest. A civilization will force some to rise to power and some to be oppressed. This all points to that we as humans are only meant to live in small communities, maybe 150 people max, like in ancient times. Not in a civilized city with thousands and millions of people. A caveman thousands of years ago that lives in his little village, pick fruits, hunt animals, hang out with his villagers, just lives however he wants, is lives a life 100x more fulfilling than u or me.

Stop being so prideful, the only difference between u and a cow is that ur smarter. U breath the same air,u form social relation with ur fellow species, ur born from a father and mother and will have children of ur own, and u will still return to nature when u die, just like a cow. Are u really that different from a cow?

Civilization, morality, law, etc everything in that sense is made up, it is not reality. Reality is something that is natural, not made up by humans

You’ve just made my point for me without realizing it.

If everything law, morality, civilization is ‘made up,’ then your very statement that ‘killing a human is no different than killing a cow’ is also made up. You have no ground to call it true or false. You’ve sawed off the very branch you’re sitting on.

You speak of ‘nature’ as if it’s some pure reality we must return to, but even that idea is a human construct. Cavemen didn’t sit around romanticizing their lives or writing essays about freedom they died at 25 from infections and starvation,the only reason you can type your nihilistic sermon on a glowing rectangle to strangers is because of the same ‘civilization’ you call a prison.

If you were consistent, you’d throw away your phone, leave the city, and go live naked in the woods,But you don’t, because deep down you know there’s more than just instinct there’s truth, beauty, justice, and yes, morality,the very outrage you feel about ‘power’ and ‘oppression’ is proof you believe some things really are wrong.

You can deny it with words, but your own anger betrays youyou believe in a higher standard but you just refuse to name it.

 

[Vazelrr]

If a threat is using ur family as slaves, why is it wrong for u to hurt him? Only the threat will say u cant do anything to him bcs "Hurting others is wrong bcs muh morality". Of course in reality, its not like there's anything preventing u from hitting him with a rock in the head to save ur family. But ur stopped by a mental barrier than doesnt even exist. Civilization is basically a mega version of this analogy.

You say “killing a human is no different than killing a cow.” Fine, Then accept the consequences of living by that rule societies implode, trust vanishes, families vanish, art dies, contracts mean nothing, and every infant’s future depends on brute luckThat’s not hyperbole it’s causal reality,humans are not mere meatwe are moral agents embedded in webs of responsibility, memory, and mutual dependence. Murder destroys more than a body it destroys institutions, plans, lineage, and the possibility of cooperation.
Cows don’t bear promises, oaths, contracts, or children who remember. Cows don’t form justice systems, create law, mourn, or seek redress. You reduce people to livestock and pretend you’ve made a philosophical point; you haven’t you’ve erased the entire social dimension that makes human life what it is, if your standard is “whatever my gut permits,” you’ve surrendered to chaos,If you want to live in a world where people are interchangeable with animals, move to the forest and stop pretending civilization matters,but don’t demand we rebuild society on the rubble of your nihilism and then call others hypocrites for defending the structures that actually let us live extended, meaningful lives.
Killing a person isn’t biology it’s social annihilation,treat humans like cows and watch civilization become pasture.

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

You’ve just made my point for me without realizing it.

If everything law, morality, civilization is ‘made up,’ then your very statement that ‘killing a human is no different than killing a cow’ is also made up. You have no ground to call it true or false. You’ve sawed off the very branch you’re sitting on.

You speak of ‘nature’ as if it’s some pure reality we must return to, but even that idea is a human construct. Cavemen didn’t sit around romanticizing their lives or writing essays about freedom they died at 25 from infections and starvation,the only reason you can type your nihilistic sermon on a glowing rectangle to strangers is because of the same ‘civilization’ you call a prison.

If you were consistent, you’d throw away your phone, leave the city, and go live naked in the woods,But you don’t, because deep down you know there’s more than just instinct there’s truth, beauty, justice, and yes, morality,the very outrage you feel about ‘power’ and ‘oppression’ is proof you believe some things really are wrong.

You can deny it with words, but your own anger betrays youyou believe in a higher standard but you just refuse to name it.

man ur dumb, how is saying "killing a human is no different than killing a cow" made up? It is merely an observation of reality. It's like saying trees exist. You can go outside and touch a tree, the same way u can stab a human and a cow and see both die if u dont trust me.

Next, stop accusing me of stuff I never said. Show me where I said we should become caveman. U cant bcs I never said it, I only said they live a much better fulfilling life than u and me. Being primitive isnt the goal, the goal is freedom and happiness. I grow up in the countryside as a kid but forced to go to the cities for school and work. Now I yearn to save enough money just so I can have a house and family by the countryside and a self sustaining farm. Chasing a masters,PHD, climbing corporate ladder will not make any human happy. In the end u will still become a slave to the system.

In the end we're not any spiritual God's representative of this world. We're just very smart animals, the only thing that can make us happy is the same as any animal. A house in the countryside, living in nature, have a family, eat delicious natural food everyday instead of processed goyslop is really all u need. When u dont need the system to live, that's when those in power cant control u

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

You’ve just made my point for me without realizing it.

If everything law, morality, civilization is ‘made up,’ then your very statement that ‘killing a human is no different than killing a cow’ is also made up. You have no ground to call it true or false. You’ve sawed off the very branch you’re sitting on.

You speak of ‘nature’ as if it’s some pure reality we must return to, but even that idea is a human construct. Cavemen didn’t sit around romanticizing their lives or writing essays about freedom they died at 25 from infections and starvation,the only reason you can type your nihilistic sermon on a glowing rectangle to strangers is because of the same ‘civilization’ you call a prison.

If you were consistent, you’d throw away your phone, leave the city, and go live naked in the woods,But you don’t, because deep down you know there’s more than just instinct there’s truth, beauty, justice, and yes, morality,the very outrage you feel about ‘power’ and ‘oppression’ is proof you believe some things really are wrong.

You can deny it with words, but your own anger betrays youyou believe in a higher standard but you just refuse to name it.

go research any isolated tribe, or any that lived far from civilization. They all live to like 100+ average. The myth that living without civilization means dying young at 25 is made to make u dependant on the civilization and afraid to leave it. My grandparents have no pharmacy or drugs or clinics, they ate what they planted and animals they herd. Yet they're 100x healthier than u will be at their age. U will be on hospital beds and dependant on modern medicals that u would have never needed if u lived a different life.

 

[Vazelrr]

man ur dumb, how is saying "killing a human is no different than killing a cow" made up? It is merely an observation of reality. It's like saying trees exist. You can go outside and touch a tree, the same way u can stab a human and a cow and see both die if u dont trust me.

Next, stop accusing me of stuff I never said. Show me where I said we should become caveman. U cant bcs I never said it, I only said they live a much better fulfilling life than u and me. Being primitive isnt the goal, the goal is freedom and happiness. I grow up in the countryside as a kid but forced to go to the cities for school and work. Now I yearn to save enough money just so I can have a house and family by the countryside and a self sustaining farm. Chasing a masters,PHD, climbing corporate ladder will not make any human happy. In the end u will still become a slave to the system.

In the end we're not any spiritual God's representative of this world. We're just very smart animals, the only thing that can make us happy is the same as any animal. A house in the countryside, living in nature, have a family, eat delicious natural food everyday instead of processed goyslop is really all u need. When u dont need the system to live, that's when those in power cant control u

You’re not describing “reality,” you’re describing biology and then pretending it’s the whole picture Yes stab a cow, it dies Stab a human, it dies,that’s not a moral statement that’s a physiological fact the difference isn’t in what happens to the body, it’s in what happens to everything else built around that bodywhen you kill a cow you don’t destroy a legal order, a lineage, an economy, a trust network, or a mind capable of reflecting on its own death. Kill a human and you destabilize a system of cooperation that took thousands of years to build,that’s why societies everywhere, even without religion, instinctively punish murder far more severely than killing livestock. The fact that you can physically do both acts says nothing about whether they’re equivalent in meaning or consequence.As for “freedom,” nobody’s stopping you from living on a self‑sustaining farm,that’s the beauty of the system you’re calling a prison it actually gives you enough stability and surplus to buy land, raise a family, and live quietly. If civilization were the mega‑prison you describe, you wouldn’t even have the option to leave. You’d be hunted down the moment you stepped out.

You’re not wrong to want a simpler, more autonomous life,but don’t confuse that yearning with proof that morality is fake or that humans are “just animals.” Our ability to even dream of freedom, and build frameworks that let people pursue it, is the moral difference between us and cows.

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

You say “killing a human is no different than killing a cow.” Fine, Then accept the consequences of living by that rule societies implode, trust vanishes, families vanish, art dies, contracts mean nothing, and every infant’s future depends on brute luckThat’s not hyperbole it’s causal reality,humans are not mere meatwe are moral agents embedded in webs of responsibility, memory, and mutual dependence. Murder destroys more than a body it destroys institutions, plans, lineage, and the possibility of cooperation.
Cows don’t bear promises, oaths, contracts, or children who remember. Cows don’t form justice systems, create law, mourn, or seek redress. You reduce people to livestock and pretend you’ve made a philosophical point; you haven’t you’ve erased the entire social dimension that makes human life what it is, if your standard is “whatever my gut permits,” you’ve surrendered to chaos,If you want to live in a world where people are interchangeable with animals, move to the forest and stop pretending civilization matters,but don’t demand we rebuild society on the rubble of your nihilism and then call others hypocrites for defending the structures that actually let us live extended, meaningful lives.
Killing a person isn’t biology it’s social annihilation,treat humans like cows and watch civilization become pasture.

That's pride. Im not reducing humans to animals. That's all we've ever been, we're just very smart compared to them. Animals will attack u if u hit them, is that all that different than our justice system? The different is we've made a lot of steps just to achieve the same thing. To get back so we will not be treat the same again. Have u not seen animals mourning if their child die? Or have friendship?

 

[Vazelrr]

go research any isolated tribe, or any that lived far from civilization. They all live to like 100+ average. The myth that living without civilization means dying young at 25 is made to make u dependant on the civilization and afraid to leave it. My grandparents have no pharmacy or drugs or clinics, they ate what they planted and animals they herd. Yet they're 100x healthier than u will be at their age. U will be on hospital beds and dependant on modern medicals that u would have never needed if u lived a different life.

Sure, some isolated tribes and rural families live long lives, and yes, a simple lifestyle with natural food and physical activity can produce excellent health. That doesn’t invalidate civilization it just proves that humans can survive in multiple ways,Civilization isn’t a death sentence it’s a trade‑offyou gain longer life expectancy, technology, communication, art, knowledge, and the ability to protect millions of people from famine, disease, and predators.

The fact that some individuals can live long in isolation doesn’t make civilization a prison,It makes it a choice with different risks and benefits. Living in a city or using medicine doesn’t make you weak it makes you practical. The same biology that keeps your grandparents alive would also thrive in civilization if we applied it wisely.
Freedom isn’t about rejecting civilization entirely; it’s about choosing what parts of it serve you and ignoring the rest,no one forces you to obey all the rules that’s a mental prison you imagine, not reality. You want a self-sustaining farm? Do it. But don’t pretend that avoiding hospitals and roads somehow proves civilization is inherently controlling or morally bankrupt.

 

[LTNUser]

If you need the fear of punishment to be good,then are you really good?

 

[Vazelrr]

If you need the fear of punishment to be good,then are you really good?

I will be with you now;lemme first clock the other dude

 

[Vazelrr]

That's pride. Im not reducing humans to animals. That's all we've ever been, we're just very smart compared to them. Animals will attack u if u hit them, is that all that different than our justice system? The different is we've made a lot of steps just to achieve the same thing. To get back so we will not be treat the same again. Have u not seen animals mourning if their child die? Or have friendship?

You mistake survival for reality.,stabbing a human is not the same as a cow not because biology differs, but because humans are nodes in a thousand-year network of cooperation, law, culture, and reflection. Kill a human, and you destabilize everything built around themkill a cow, you break a body. Civilization gives you the freedom to leave, farm, live, dream you just refuse to see it. Animals mourn, feel, act but humans reflect on death, freedom, and justice. That is the moral gap. That is the difference. Stop reducing meaning to mere matter.

You confuse survival with meaning. Stabbing a human and stabbing a cow are the same physiologically but humans are nodes in millennia‑long networks of law, memory, lineage, and promise,Murder destroys institutions, futures, trust and the possibility of cooperation killing livestock does not. If you reduce everything to biology, you surrender to chaos. Civilization isn’t a prison it’s the scaffolding that makes freedom, art and justice possible.

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

You’re not describing “reality,” you’re describing biology and then pretending it’s the whole picture Yes stab a cow, it dies Stab a human, it dies,that’s not a moral statement that’s a physiological fact the difference isn’t in what happens to the body, it’s in what happens to everything else built around that bodywhen you kill a cow you don’t destroy a legal order, a lineage, an economy, a trust network, or a mind capable of reflecting on its own death. Kill a human and you destabilize a system of cooperation that took thousands of years to build,that’s why societies everywhere, even without religion, instinctively punish murder far more severely than killing livestock. The fact that you can physically do both acts says nothing about whether they’re equivalent in meaning or consequence.As for “freedom,” nobody’s stopping you from living on a self‑sustaining farm,that’s the beauty of the system you’re calling a prison it actually gives you enough stability and surplus to buy land, raise a family, and live quietly. If civilization were the mega‑prison you describe, you wouldn’t even have the option to leave. You’d be hunted down the moment you stepped out.

You’re not wrong to want a simpler, more autonomous life,but don’t confuse that yearning with proof that morality is fake or that humans are “just animals.” Our ability to even dream of freedom, and build frameworks that let people pursue it, is the moral difference between us and cows.

There's a saying that goes, the best way to keep a prisoner from escaping is to never make him know he's in a prison. The perfect slavery is when the slaves want to be in slavery. That's civilization. A legal order is made up, animals have lineage too do u think they just pop out of nowhere without parents? Economy is made up. Trust is something that have been observed in any social animal. Any animal instinctually fear death, its not exclusive to humans. Are u not aware of the state of most people's finance? It's not that they're not forced to stay in the system. They are indirectly forced to stay in. U have to buy a mortgage for house, loan for a car, have money to buy food for their family. U have to work for the system to afford all these, that is a way to forced them to be in the system, when u never needed it in the first place, ur ancestors lived just fine with the land.

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

Sure, some isolated tribes and rural families live long lives, and yes, a simple lifestyle with natural food and physical activity can produce excellent health. That doesn’t invalidate civilization it just proves that humans can survive in multiple ways,Civilization isn’t a death sentence it’s a trade‑offyou gain longer life expectancy, technology, communication, art, knowledge, and the ability to protect millions of people from famine, disease, and predators.

The fact that some individuals can live long in isolation doesn’t make civilization a prison,It makes it a choice with different risks and benefits. Living in a city or using medicine doesn’t make you weak it makes you practical. The same biology that keeps your grandparents alive would also thrive in civilization if we applied it wisely.
Freedom isn’t about rejecting civilization entirely; it’s about choosing what parts of it serve you and ignoring the rest,no one forces you to obey all the rules that’s a mental prison you imagine, not reality. You want a self-sustaining farm? Do it. But don’t pretend that avoiding hospitals and roads somehow proves civilization is inherently controlling or morally bankrupt.

What ur saying is, "human are designed intentionally with flaws, therefore we need human intervention to fix that flaw". No retard. The system create a problem, bad food and lifestyle. Then sell u the solution, hospitals and medicines. The solution isnt even a solution, it's just made to cover up the symptoms. The problem is not u, its the system that creates the problem,u wont even need their solution if u dont have the problem.

Do we really need roads? Roads are so u can travel outstation like ur boss ordered u too. Or to visit ur family in the countryside when ur boss give u holiday. U never needed it, they create the problem and sell u the solution.

My point is, u dont need the system. Every achievement or invention are made to keep u under control.

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

You mistake survival for reality.,stabbing a human is not the same as a cow not because biology differs, but because humans are nodes in a thousand-year network of cooperation, law, culture, and reflection. Kill a human, and you destabilize everything built around themkill a cow, you break a body. Civilization gives you the freedom to leave, farm, live, dream you just refuse to see it. Animals mourn, feel, act but humans reflect on death, freedom, and justice. That is the moral gap. That is the difference. Stop reducing meaning to mere matter.

You confuse survival with meaning. Stabbing a human and stabbing a cow are the same physiologically but humans are nodes in millennia‑long networks of law, memory, lineage, and promise,Murder destroys institutions, futures, trust and the possibility of cooperation killing livestock does not. If you reduce everything to biology, you surrender to chaos. Civilization isn’t a prison it’s the scaffolding that makes freedom, art and justice possible.

all that is made up bro, learn all the laws, institution, economy whatever in the world. It will never make u happy

 

[T4deoIncel0s]

Morality Without God Is Incoherent

If atheism is true, morality is just human opinion, No action (murder, betrayal, genocide) can be objectively wrong only “socially inconvenient.”

Yet atheists still argue about right and wrong passionately. They live as if morality is real, but their worldview gives them no foundation for it,borrowing morality from God while denying His existence.

Reason Presupposes a Lawgiver

If the brain is just chemicals fizzing randomly, why trust thoughts at all?Logic requires universal laws of truth but where do those come from in a godless universe?Atheists rely on reason daily, but their worldview can’t justify why reason works

using the gift of reason while denying its Giver.

Order Doesn’t Come From Nothing

Atheism claims the universe “just happened.But nothing in human experience suggests that raw chaos produces the fine-tuned laws of physics, life, and consciousness,the atheist answer is: “It’s just random chance.” That’s not an explanation it’s cope dressed intelligence, pretending chance is a substitute for creation

Atheism Collapses in Suffering

In times of deep pain, loss, or injustice, “nothing matters, it’s all random” offers no comfort,even atheists cry out for fairness, justice, and hope beyond the grave.

denying God until reality exposes the need for Him.

"The greatest trick Satan pulled was making people believe he doesn't exist"

religion is for low iq cels, sorry but if u cant be moral without rligion u are not moral

 

[Vazelrr]

There's a saying that goes, the best way to keep a prisoner from escaping is to never make him know he's in a prison. The perfect slavery is when the slaves want to be in slavery. That's civilization. A legal order is made up, animals have lineage too do u think they just pop out of nowhere without parents? Economy is made up. Trust is something that have been observed in any social animal. Any animal instinctually fear death, its not exclusive to humans. Are u not aware of the state of most people's finance? It's not that they're not forced to stay in the system. They are indirectly forced to stay in. U have to buy a mortgage for house, loan for a car, have money to buy food for their family. U have to work for the system to afford all these, that is a way to forced them to be in the system, when u never needed it in the first place, ur ancestors lived just fine with the land.

You confuse inconvenience with enslavement. Just because life in civilization demands effort doesn’t mean it is coercion. Ancestors survived on land, yes but that survival was fragile, brutal, and short. Civilization is the hammer we forged to extend life, knowledge, and freedom beyond mere biology. A mortgage, a job, a contract these are not chains, they are tools, imperfect but necessary for creating space where humans can build, create, and dream beyond immediate survival. Freedom is not the absence of structure, but the presence of possibility. You speak of ‘forced’ labor and ‘indirect’ control as if a farm in isolation gives true liberation, yet it denies medicine, art, knowledge, and the abilityto shape your world beyond a single plot of land. Civilization doesn’t enslave you your fear of complexity enslaves your mind.

 

[Vazelrr]

What ur saying is, "human are designed intentionally with flaws, therefore we need human intervention to fix that flaw". No retard. The system create a problem, bad food and lifestyle. Then sell u the solution, hospitals and medicines. The solution isnt even a solution, it's just made to cover up the symptoms. The problem is not u, its the system that creates the problem,u wont even need their solution if u dont have the problem.

Do we really need roads? Roads are so u can travel outstation like ur boss ordered u too. Or to visit ur family in the countryside when ur boss give u holiday. U never needed it, they create the problem and sell u the solution.

My point is, u dont need the system. Every achievement or invention are made to keep u under control.

You claim ‘we never needed roads or medicine’ but roads aren’t just for bosses or holidays,they connect communities, facilitate trade, allow knowledge and culture to spread, and let millions avoid starvation and disease. Medicine isn’t a band‑aid for a manufactured illness; it’s the accumulated wisdom of thousands of generations saving lives that would have been lost to accidents, infection, and childbirth. Civilization magnifies choice, not diminishes it,yu can leave it, embrace isolation, and take your risks but don’t pretend that avoiding human progress proves oppression. The system isn’t a master, nature was far harsher before we learned to bend it to our will, Civilization is the battlefield we conqueredto live longer, smarter, and freer than any isolated tribe ever could.”

 

[Vazelrr]

all that is made up bro, learn all the laws, institution, economy whatever in the world. It will never make u happy

All of it may be ‘made up,’ yes but the difference between a framework that allows human flourishing and raw chaos is the difference between Alexander’s phalanx and a mob of unarmed peasants. Laws, institutions, economies they are constructions, but constructions are what separate survival from civilization, suffering from achievement, The pyramids, the Parthenon, the printing press, hospitals, schools all made up. And yet they persist, shape millions of lives, expand what is possible, preserve knowledge, and protect people from disaster.

Happiness is not a byproductin nature; it is forged through order, cooperation, and imagination. You can call it invented, arbitrary, or fabricated but it works,to dismiss it because it’s ‘made up’ is like saying the wheel is useless because it’s not naturally occurring. Civilization is the toolset humans invented to bend reality toward freedom, meaning, and progress. You can choose to ignore it and struggle in chaos but don’t pretend its invention is meaninglessit’s the difference between life lived and life merely survived.

 

[Vazelrr]

religion is for low iq cels, sorry but if u cant be moral without rligion u are not moral

the classic ‘if you can’t be moral without religion, you’re dumb’ line a statement as shallow as it is proud, Morality isn’t about parroting a holy book or reciting commandments, it’s about navigating human nature, empathy, and consequence Many of the greatest moral thinkers Socrates, Confucius, Spinoza even modern philosophers were not shackled to dogma, Religion codifies morality for those who cannot think it through themselves it’s a training wheel not proof of virtue. True morality is understanding the impact of your actions protecting those you care for, and maintaining trust and cooperation whether or not a deity whispers in your ear.

Calling religion a necessity for morality is like saying a hammer is required to build a house when you have hands, nails, and brains some will use the hammer some will not the measure of skill is the result, not the tool.