Atheists be like

[JasGews69x]

The universe came from nothing

 

[Albarn]

big boom clap

 

[VV62]

And where did god come from

 

[JasGews69x]

And where did god come from

AnD WhERe dID God CoMe FrOm

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Nobody claims that, there are many possibilities, how do you know its 100% a perfect being, could it not be some random eternal low iq creator rather than a perfect god, and why does it have to be a being and not a thing, like infinite energy or the universe expanding and collapsing creating an infinite loop?

 

[JasGews69x]

how do you know its 100% a perfect being, could it not be some random eternal low iq creator rather than a perfect god, and why does it have to be a being and not a thing, like infinite energy or the universe expanding and collapsing creating an infinite loop?

An eternal creator by definition is perfect. Created beings have limits since they are placed on us. An uncreated being has no limits since nobody placed limits on him making him perfect (unlimited).

Energy by itself cant do anything,its not conscious, doesn't have knowledge . a remote has energy but cant write a poem. It only does what its programmed to do.

The energy in the universe is not infinite so it needs a starting point external to it.

 

[Justin Trudeau]

Religion is peoplekind made up bullshit! Atheists are superior since we are more progressive and don't follow hateful right wing fairy tales like Christianity!

 

[Poopless One]

 

[Poopless One]

The universe came from nothing

The universe came from my ass

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

An eternal creator by definition is perfect. Created beings have limits since they are placed on us. An uncreated being has no limits since nobody placed limits on him making him perfect (unlimited).

Energy by itself cant do anything,its not conscious, doesn't have knowledge . a remote has energy but cant write a poem. It only does what its programmed to do.

The energy in the universe is not infinite so it needs a starting point external to it.

So a created being can be perfect if the limits aren't placed on it? Also, nobody has to place limits on an eternal being, it can just be faulty by its nature. energy could be able to create stuff just by its nature, and just because its not infinite doesn't mean it needs an external point? You don't have to be infinite to be eternal, we know that the energy we have today cannot have a beginning, it cannot be created and by your logic this would mean that there's an infinite amount of energy, but that's not the case, this would disprove your whole argument about someone being eternal must be perfect cuz it's eternal.

 

[Sprinkles]

they're the same retards that think we live on a spinning ball and evolved from fish and the universe and earth is all one big cosmic coincidence

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The universe came from nothing

“Denies the virgin birth of Christ, believes in the virgin birth of the universe”

Tbf not alll GAYthiests believe in big BOOOM cosmic fart event but most do

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

So a created being can be perfect if the limits aren't placed on it? Also, nobody has to place limits on an eternal being, it can just be faulty by its nature. energy could be able to create stuff just by its nature, and just because its not infinite doesn't mean it needs an external point? You don't have to be infinite to be eternal, we know that the energy we have today cannot have a beginning, it cannot be created and by your logic this would mean that there's an infinite amount of energy, but that's not the case, this would disprove your whole argument about someone being eternal must be perfect cuz it's eternal.

Teleology is the answer to your question.

Without god there’s no Telos, no purposiveness everything is useless at this point the only way to be intellectually consistent is to become nihilist. And tbh I don’t hate nihilist atheists I actually have deep respect for them… yes I actually respect them because they have taken atheism to its logical conclusion and for that they have my upmost respect

 

[noodlelover]

“Denies the virgin birth of Christ, believes in the virgin birth of the universe”

Tbf not alll GAYthiests believe in big BOOOM cosmic fart event but most do

Atheist know god's real deep down.

They pretend we're fish people so they can spank their cherry whacker to troon porn and engage in premarital sex.

 

[n9wiff]

Atheist know god's real deep down.

They pretend we're fish people so they can spank their cherry whacker to troon porn and engage in premarital sex.

@cromagnon exposed

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Teleology is the answer to your question.

Without god there’s no Telos, no purposiveness everything is useless at this point the only way to be intellectually consistent is to become nihilist. And tbh I don’t hate nihilist atheists I actually have deep respect for them… yes I actually respect them because they have taken atheism to its logical conclusion and for that they have my upmost respect

No lol, god isn't some magical purpose giver, we can have our own purpose perfectly well, and that is to make ourselves and others happy, it's to reduce suffering and ironically that's exactly what your gods tell you, don't kill, steal, hurt others etc, we are all following the same purpose, we don't need a god to tell us that, and also even if you were correct that we need god for purpose, you cannot just assume that we MUST have a purpose and we cannot have a purpose without god therefore god exists, you're assuming stuff. Anyways, we don't need religion, its hurting us, better to allow free thought and follow what we know will make someone happy instead of following religions where sometimes their laws can hurt others, we don't need god, we need empathy.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

No lol, god isn't some magical purpose giver, we can have our own purpose perfectly well, and that is to make ourselves and others happy, it's to reduce suffering and ironically that's exactly what your gods tell you, don't kill, steal, hurt others etc, we are all following the same purpose, we don't need a god to tell us that, and also even if you were correct that we need god for purpose, you cannot just assume that we MUST have a purpose and we cannot have a purpose without god therefore god exists, you're assuming stuff. Anyways, we don't need religion, its hurting us, better to allow free thought and follow what we know will make someone happy instead of following religions where sometimes their laws can hurt others, we don't need god, we need empathy.

If god isn’t real then there’s no justification for ethics nor metaphysics even truth claims are now equalised as value statements are now equal this means epistemology breaks down and we are now left with nothingness as everything is now meaningless.

You can say you found purpose but the reality is your insignificant, unimportant, youe life is meaningless everything and everybody you know is meaningless and even arguing is ultimately meaningless because well there’s no truth or false value claims so why bother


Even this convo is meaningless. You being up not killing or stealing as if that’s a virtue? As if tha a “bad” thing why is it bad? What objectively makes killing or stealing bad? If everything decays and dies why isn’t it a good thing to kill I’m speeding up the process, stealing is the same why not steal? If I take something from you it betters my life so that’s a positive no?


Why should we believe that “free thought” is better for us ? Under what criterion what benchmark are you using to dictate this? To many people religion is better and leads to less degeneracy just look at the Christian west compared to the modern atheistic secular liberal west today it’s night and day difference

Why should I or anybody care about your happiness or even mine? After all you being happy doesn’t reflect on my survival and honestly if there’s no ethical objective value standards then being nice or being “mean” ultimately comes down to subjectivity and therefore it’s a meaningless statement that conveys nothing worth of note

Why do we even need empathy? Why shouldn’t we throw empathy in the bin I mean Hitlers Nazi germanybhad no empathy for the subhuman races and we would had all been. 6’9 Aryan chads by now and that would have improved society so why ought we believe empathetic?

@Sprinkles @StupidHedonist_INTP @noodlelover

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

If god isn’t real then there’s no justification for ethics nor metaphysics even truth claims are now equalised as value statements are now equal this means epistemology breaks down and we are now left with nothingness as everything is now meaningless.

You can say you found purpose but the reality is your insignificant, unimportant, youe life is meaningless everything and everybody you know is meaningless and even arguing is ultimately meaningless because well there’s no truth or false value claims so why bother


Even this convo is meaningless. You being up not killing or stealing as if that’s a virtue? As if tha a “bad” thing why is it bad? What objectively makes killing or stealing bad? If everything decays and dies why isn’t it a good thing to kill I’m speeding up the process, stealing is the same why not steal? If I take something from you it betters my life so that’s a positive no?


Why should we believe that “free thought” is better for us ? Under what criterion what benchmark are you using to dictate this? To many people religion is better and leads to less degeneracy just look at the Christian west compared to the modern atheistic secular liberal west today it’s night and day difference

Why should I or anybody care about your happiness or even mine? After all you being happy doesn’t reflect on my survival and honestly if there’s no ethical objective value standards then being nice or being “mean” ultimately comes down to subjectivity and therefore it’s a meaningless statement that conveys nothing worth of note

Why do we even need empathy? Why shouldn’t we throw empathy in the bin I mean Hitlers Nazi germanybhad no empathy for the subhuman races and we would had all been. 6’9 Aryan chads by now and that would have improved society so why ought we believe empathetic?

@Sprinkles @StupidHedonist_INTP @noodlelover

Uhh, I don't know where to start but you're painfully low iq, why do you think god is special, you do know that he also needs to prove why something is good or bad, he cannot just say stuff, and you'll see that most religions follow the harm principle and we don't need god to understand why somethings good or bad if we use that principle, if somethings is harming you or somebody else then it's bad, would you want to be hurt, no, would God want to suffer, no. Its objectively bad, even your god admits it lol. Nazi Germany did more harm than good, they would destroy society, because if they consider empathy bad then they would eventually everyone psychopathic and society would break down because nobody would be able to trust each other, everyone would attack everybody if it benefits them, they'd still steal and kill and cause wars just cuz they like it, but empathy prevents this and makes you happy while helping others, so the helper and the one being helped is happy, while psychopathy only leads to wars and both sides losing. And also, you and I should care about each other because it helps us both, especially if we have empathy, and are you really implying that you'd only care about someone if God told you that, you'd only be a good person if God told you that, you aren't good by nature? Yk that's dangerous, especially when we know that a lot of religions permitted awful stuff and you would never question, you'd just carry out the atrocities cuz god says so. This is also why free thought is superior, you question stuff, you don't just blindly follow what some religion says, this prevents you from commiting evil stuff because of that religion, and if you base your morality on empathy you will always do the correct thing, empathy is simply a better guide than religion, and all the societies that progressed with religion only progressed cuz that religion advocated for altruism and empathy, so you cannot just assume that religion said everything perfectly and that it is better than free thought just because it improved a particular society, anyways, I think I covered everything.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Uhh, I don't know where to start but you're painfully low iq, why do you think god is special, you do know that he also needs to prove why something is good or bad, he cannot just say stuff, and you'll see that most religions follow the harm principle and we don't need god to understand why somethings good or bad if we use that principle, if somethings is harming you or somebody else then it's bad, would you want to be hurt, no, would God want to suffer, no. It’s objectively bad, even your god admits it lol. Nazi Germany did more harm than good, they would destroy society, because if they consider empathy bad then they would eventually everyone psychopathic and society would break down because nobody would be able to trust each other, everyone would attack everybody if it benefits them, they'd still steal and kill and cause wars just cuz they like it, but empathy prevents this and makes you happy while helping others, so the helper and the one being helped is happy, while psychopathy only leads to wars and both sides losing. And also, you and I should care about each other because it helps us both, especially if we have empathy, and are you really implying that you'd only care about someone if God told you that, you'd only be a good person if God told you that, you aren't good by nature? Yk that's dangerous, especially when we know that a lot of religions permitted awful stuff and you would never question, you'd just carry out the atrocities cuz god says so. This is also why free thought is superior, you question stuff, you don't just blindly follow what some religion says, this prevents you from commiting evil stuff because of that religion, and if you base your morality on empathy you will always do the correct thing, empathy is simply a better guide than religion, and all the societies that progressed with religion only progressed cuz that religion advocated for altruism and empathy, so you cannot just assume that religion said everything perfectly and that it is better than free thought just because it improved a particular society, anyways, I think I covered everything.

God is the axiom in which all exists from. He is the necessary precondition for alll you mentioned . Learn what an “Axiom” is and you’ll see why I don’t have to prove why god has to answer for anything.

Everything all of creation is a reflection of his divine mind.

Harm principle is retarded how does one get the value of morality from the harm principle in your worldview? All you have done is state a consequence of an action but that doesn’t imply it’s wrong. Masochists enjoy pain are you going to say well they are being harmed so it’s wrong? Maybe you are I dunno but fact is they like it so what is the issue?

Being a “good” person once again is a subjective statement ironically Hitler thought he was a “good Person” saving Europe thanks for proving my point you have no objective basis in which to derive ethics from. And no I’m not moral due to God, but because I believe in god I have an justification and can make an account for Morality/ethics Something you cannot do that’s the difference

then you make category errors lumpin in every god and religion into one… I follow Jesus, he doesn’t permit any of that shit so yeah strawman as usual buddy. I have a basis to state why something is “evil” why something is “true” you have no way of knowing WHY WHERE and HOW these things are yet I can thankfully due to god.

Needless to say once again we don’t have the same issue and every time you say “good person” “Evil” etc your borrowing from atheistic frameworks to make objective claims which your paradigm doesn’t allow for so evil good etc doesn’t exists in atheism mate just various degrees of subjective viewpoints with no true answer

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

I told chatgpt to make my response better and clearer but it basically says the same thing, anyways:

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You're making a fundamental mistake in assuming that morality requires divine authority. God is not inherently special in providing morality—any being, entity, or even philosophy must justify why something is good or bad. Your argument falls apart because you're not accounting for the fact that we can use principles like the harm principle to determine right and wrong without needing a deity to dictate it. If an action harms someone, it's bad. If it causes suffering, it's wrong. This is simple and universally understandable. Even your god admits this when it forbids actions like killing and stealing.


The idea that Nazi Germany was justified because it rejected empathy is a perfect example of how lack of empathy leads to chaos and destruction. When societies disregard empathy and ethics, they collapse. A psychopathic worldview, where "might makes right," ultimately destroys social trust. If everyone just acted in their self-interest without regard for others, society would break down into violence and constant conflict. Empathy is what allows us to coexist peacefully. It benefits both the helper and the one being helped, leading to happiness and social stability, while psychopathy only leads to suffering.


Additionally, the idea that you need to follow God's commands to be a good person is deeply concerning. You're implying that without God, you wouldn't care about anyone else's well-being, and you wouldn't feel empathy for others. Is this really how you view human nature? That people are only moral because they fear divine punishment? That's dangerous. It implies that if you were raised in a society that didn’t have a religion or god, you would have no sense of morality at all. This is why free thought is superior—it allows individuals to critically examine and refine their values, instead of blindly following orders that could lead to harm. Free thought promotes personal responsibility and moral agency, allowing us to evolve beyond the moral frameworks of any single religion or authority.


And no, religion did not necessarily lead to societal progress. While certain religious communities have been associated with positive outcomes, this progress happened when religion emphasized empathy and altruism, not when it focused on rigid dogma or imposed harm. Religious institutions and doctrines have also been used to justify horrific actions like slavery, colonialism, and wars. The idea that religion has a monopoly on morality and societal good is a false equivalence. Empathy, independent of religious doctrine, has been a far better guide to progress.


Finally, the idea that "nothing matters without God" is a philosophical dead-end. Meaning is subjective. People find meaning in their relationships, in the lives they touch, and in the improvements they make to society. You don’t need a god to tell you what’s meaningful. You have the capacity to find purpose in your own existence, and your actions and decisions can create positive change. Belief in something higher isn’t required to be a good person or to live a meaningful life. Empathy—understanding and caring for others—is the best guide to living a life that benefits both you and the people around you.

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This response more clearly emphasizes the subjectivity of meaning, the importance of free thought, and the harms of blind obedience to doctrine. It also strengthens the case that empathy is a natural and objective moral compass.

 

[ManyHoesInOhio]

The universe came from my ass

This is what i feel like rn:

Just took a long ass shit.

It just wouldn't break. Niggas pissing in the urinals outside probably weirded out by the splashing noises.

looksmax.org

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

God is the axiom in which all exists from. He is the necessary precondition for alll you mentioned . Learn what an “Axiom” is and you’ll see why I don’t have to prove why god has to answer for anything.

Everything all of creation is a reflection of his divine mind.

Harm principle is retarded how does one get the value of morality from the harm principle in your worldview? All you have done is state a consequence of an action but that doesn’t imply it’s wrong. Masochists enjoy pain are you going to say well they are being harmed so it’s wrong? Maybe you are I dunno but fact is they like it so what is the issue?

Being a “good” person once again is a subjective statement ironically Hitler thought he was a “good Person” saving Europe thanks for proving my point you have no objective basis in which to derive ethics from. And no I’m not moral due to God, but because I believe in god I have an justification and can make an account for Morality/ethics Something you cannot do that’s the difference

then you make category errors lumpin in every god and religion into one… I follow Jesus, he doesn’t permit any of that shit so yeah strawman as usual buddy. I have a basis to state why something is “evil” why something is “true” you have no way of knowing WHY WHERE and HOW these things are yet I can thankfully due to god.

Needless to say once again we don’t have the same issue and every time you say “good person” “Evil” etc your borrowing from atheistic frameworks to make objective claims which your paradigm doesn’t allow for so evil good etc doesn’t exists in atheism mate just various degrees of subjective viewpoints with no true answer

How do you not understand, Hitler thought he was a good person but he didn't use the harm principle, and if masochists enjoy pain, that means that pain isn't really harming them, so if they can consent and want that, you can "harm" them, and God definitely needs to justify, why does Jesus not hurt others, because he tells you that, he considers hurting others to be objectively bad and then using free thought we can examine if something is hurting or benefiting someone based on the principle that both I and Jesus and anyone rational uses.

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

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[StupidHedonist_INTP]

God is the axiom in which all exists from. He is the necessary precondition for alll you mentioned . Learn what an “Axiom” is and you’ll see why I don’t have to prove why god has to answer for anything.

Everything all of creation is a reflection of his divine mind.

Harm principle is retarded how does one get the value of morality from the harm principle in your worldview? All you have done is state a consequence of an action but that doesn’t imply it’s wrong. Masochists enjoy pain are you going to say well they are being harmed so it’s wrong? Maybe you are I dunno but fact is they like it so what is the issue?

Being a “good” person once again is a subjective statement ironically Hitler thought he was a “good Person” saving Europe thanks for proving my point you have no objective basis in which to derive ethics from. And no I’m not moral due to God, but because I believe in god I have an justification and can make an account for Morality/ethics Something you cannot do that’s the difference

then you make category errors lumpin in every god and religion into one… I follow Jesus, he doesn’t permit any of that shit so yeah strawman as usual buddy. I have a basis to state why something is “evil” why something is “true” you have no way of knowing WHY WHERE and HOW these things are yet I can thankfully due to god.

Needless to say once again we don’t have the same issue and every time you say “good person” “Evil” etc your borrowing from atheistic frameworks to make objective claims which your paradigm doesn’t allow for so evil good etc doesn’t exists in atheism mate just various degrees of subjective viewpoints with no true answer

Chatgpt improving my points.

Your response is solid, but there are a few areas where you could further clarify or expand your points. Here’s a possible extension of your argument to make your response even stronger:

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I think you're misunderstanding the harm principle. The principle isn’t about declaring something is always wrong because it causes harm—it’s about evaluating harm from the perspective of others, considering their well-being, and respecting their autonomy. So, yes, if a masochist consents and finds pleasure in pain, then their enjoyment of it is not harmful to them. The harm principle doesn’t operate in a vacuum—consent and personal autonomy are key. The moment we violate someone's autonomy, it’s harmful.


This is why Hitler's view of "good" was fundamentally flawed: he believed he was acting in the best interest of society, but his actions caused tremendous harm to innocent people. His moral justification didn't come from an objective basis—it came from a subjective, self-serving view that completely disregarded the harm he inflicted. The harm principle is not subjective because it is based on empirical observation of how actions impact the well-being of others. Whether someone "feels good" about an action doesn't make it right or wrong; the harm it causes to others does.


You also mention that I’m "borrowing" from atheistic frameworks, but that’s not the case. Rational ethics—which is grounded in the well-being of individuals and societies—can exist independently of religion. The reason we value certain things, like empathy and kindness, is because they maximize positive outcomes in social contexts. Free thought and critical analysis allow us to arrive at conclusions like these without needing a divine authority to dictate what is good.


You keep assuming that morality needs a transcendent source, but the truth is that we can derive ethics from reason, empathy, and the real-world consequences of our actions. Reason allows us to see the outcomes of different actions and apply principles like the harm principle across different situations.


Also, to respond to your point about "objective ethics"—again, if you look at the real-world impact of actions (whether they come from a god or not), the need for a higher power to justify ethical behavior becomes unnecessary. Ethics are grounded in human experience, empathy, and rational consequences, not in divine decree. The idea that you "need" a god to justify morality creates an unnecessary dependency.


Finally, about Jesus: You’re right that he advocated not hurting others. But that doesn’t mean we need to appeal to his divinity to understand why his teachings are valuable. His teachings align with the harm principle because they promote social harmony, well-being, and respect for others—basic principles that can be justified without invoking divine will.


You’re also misunderstanding the concept of "good" and "evil" in a secular context. While morality can be subjective in certain aspects, we can still establish objective moral guidelines—like reducing harm and promoting happiness—based on reason and empathy. You don’t need a god to tell you why something is bad if you understand its consequences. Objective morality doesn’t need supernatural justification. It’s simply about the well-being of individuals and society.

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This version includes a clearer breakdown of the harm principle, highlights the rational and empirical basis for ethics, and stresses that reason and empathy can provide a foundation for objective morality. It also clarifies that Jesus' teachings align with rational ethical principles, which doesn’t necessitate divine validation.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How do you not understand, Hitler thought he was a good person but he didn't use the harm principle, and if masochists enjoy pain, that means that pain isn't really harming them, so if they can consent and want that, you can "harm" them, and God definitely needs to justify, why does Jesus not hurt others, because he tells you that, he considers hurting others to be objectively bad and then using free thought we can examine if something is hurting or benefiting someone based on the principle that both I and Jesus and anyone rational uses.

Hard principle as I just demonstrated holds no barring how do we gain morality and ethics from simply noting the consequences of an event/action? How does that in any way objectively solve the problem of ethical epistemic justification.

And now your just being a retard because you have no argument who TF are you to assert that masochists don’t feel “pain” you realise there’s some weirdos out there who enjoy pain there’s even people who amputate their limbs by their own free willl because they don’t like their body part (yes this is a condition google it) to them this is GOOD, and even if they feel the pain “IT IS GOOD”

No we don’t hold the same belief don’t try turning this on me son. I’m a theist, god is the answer to the transcendental categories or the self, identity over time, logic, mathmatics, knowledge, TRUTH and ETHICS and many more. None of these are material things so the atheistic worldview cannot account for them as it cannot possibly explain how they exist or where they exist all it can do is say “It just is broo “

My worldview postits an Metaphaycal personalised being (god) that GROUNDS these things and that’s why Jesus said “doing this is wrong doing this is right” because he being god is the criterion of which ethics is derived from for it is ultimately grounded within God being the precondition for it to exist in the first place. THATS WHY I believe in objective morality and ethics I can actually make an account for them, YOU HOWEVER CANNOT

No ethics cannot be a social covention because they are abstract immutable constant universal entities that exist, if it were merely the product of human evolution then like us it would be subject to change thefore rending it SUBJECTIVE ONCE AGAIN as ethical norms change over time and observable empirically, but that’s not the case

Nigger are you really using chat GPT…. I know how GPT concludes sentences . Your using AI and still losing

Bruh didn’t you even try wtf

 

[Tusseleif]

What if the universe is God’s sperm and we are living in his jizzle

 

[kasrkin]

god isn't real holy shit

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Hard principle as I just demonstrated holds no barring how do we gain morality and ethics from simply noting the consequences of an event/action? How does that in any way objectively solve the problem of ethical epistemic justification.

And now your just being a retard because you have no argument who TF are you to assert that masochists don’t feel “pain” you realise there’s some weirdos out there who enjoy pain there’s even people who amputate their limbs by their own free willl because they don’t like their body part (yes this is a condition google it) to them this is GOOD, and even if they feel the pain “IT IS GOOD”

No we don’t hold the same belief don’t try turning this on me son. I’m a theist, god is the answer to the transcendental categories or the self, identity over time, logic, mathmatics, knowledge, TRUTH and ETHICS and many more. None of these are material things so the atheistic worldview cannot account for them as it cannot possibly explain how they exist or where they exist all it can do is say “It just is broo “

My worldview postits an Metaphaycal personalised being (god) that GROUNDS these things and that’s why Jesus said “doing this is wrong doing this is right” because he being god is the criterion of which ethics is derived from for it is ultimately grounded within God being the precondition for it to exist in the first place. THATS WHY I believe in objective morality and ethics I can actually make an account for them, YOU HOWEVER CANNOT

No ethics cannot be a social covention because they are abstract immutable constant universal entities that exist, if it were merely the product of human evolution then like us it would be subject to change thefore rending it SUBJECTIVE ONCE AGAIN as ethical norms change over time and observable empirically, but that’s not the case

Nigger are you really using chat GPT…. I know how GOT concludes sentences

Bruh didn’t you even try wtf

I don't understand, why can't the harm principle be used as an objective moral source, and your god still has to prove WHY something is good or bad. I at least can say why, you however cannot.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I don't understand, why can't the harm principle be used as an objective moral source, and your god still has to prove WHY something is good or bad. I at least can say why, you however cannot.

It cannot be used because as I said it’s subjective. What you view as harmful isn’t considered harmful to others, this as I stated before is reflected in diverse cultures having different “harm” laws

Mohammeden nations have AOC to 6-9 and fuck kids , in the USA it’s 18 and even going for an 17yr old is considered Harm.

My claim is that god being the precondition for knowledge means knowledge is rooted in the divine mind of god, God being the maker of all reality dictates objectively what’s right and wrong, my worldview has objectivity, yours has subjectivity. You cannot in any way say “I can at least say why you cannot” the truth is all you can say is “It just is broooo” because you have no logical justification for your ethical beliefs

Once again where and what is ethics anyways? As a materialist you have to presume it came from a physical process but how did something abstract and immutable but universal come to be from physical phenomena? To quote
Philosopher Greg Bahnsen critiques this view, stating:


“The atheistic materialist comes along and says that there is no God and no soul. There is just matter. My answer to that is, if that were the case you couldn’t know that were the case and you couldn’t prove anything at”

without a TRANSCENDANT source to answer the transcendental categories ethics becomes contingent upon human intuition and thus moral relitavism. For example many are for the death penalty and think it’s good and many think it’s inhumane and wrong. I root mine in god a transcendent being that is above transcendental categories to GROUND THEM something you cannot do. Ima say something I have said to every atheist I have debated here but your issue isn’t your IQ or lack of knowledge it’s just that atheism (materialism/phiscialism) is an incomplete worldview framework and due to this it is incapable of accounting for all reality outside of the material

Harm method isn’t terrible but it’s failure to even answer the basic ontological critiques posed here as well as its inability to remain objective in the face of cultural discrepancies leads to it having the same issue as all atheistic arguments for ethics. Moral relativism son

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

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It cannot be used because as I said it’s subjective. What you view as harmful isn’t considered harmful to others, this as I stated before is reflected in diverse cultures having different “harm” laws

Mohammeden nations have AOC to 6-9 and fuck kids , in the USA it’s 18 and even going for an 17yr old is considered Harm.

My claim is that god being the precondition for knowledge means knowledge is rooted in the divine mind of god, God being the maker of all reality dictates objectively what’s right and wrong, my worldview has objectivity, yours has subjectivity. You cannot in any way say “I can at least say why you cannot” the truth is all you can say is “It just is broooo” because you have no logical justification for your ethical beliefs

Once again where and what is ethics anyways? As a materialist you have to presume it came from a physical process but how did something abstract and immutable but universal come to be from physical phenomena? To quote
Philosopher Greg Bahnsen critiques this view, stating:


“The atheistic materialist comes along and says that there is no God and no soul. There is just matter. My answer to that is, if that were the case you couldn’t know that were the case and you couldn’t prove anything at”

without a TRANSCENDANT source to answer the transcendental categories ethics becomes contingent upon human intuition and thus moral relitavism. For example many are for the death penalty and think it’s good and many think it’s inhumane and wrong. I root mine in god a transcendent being that is above transcendental categories to GROUND THEM something you cannot do. Ima say something I have said to every atheist I have debated here but your issue isn’t your IQ or lack of knowledge it’s just that atheism (materialism/phiscialism) is an incomplete worldview framework and due to this it is incapable of accounting for all reality outside of the material

Harm method isn’t terrible but it’s failure to even answer the basic ontological critiques posed here as well as its inability to remain objective in the face of cultural discrepancies leads to it having the same issue as all atheistic arguments for ethics. Moral relativism son

Ehhh not really, just because people disagree on something doesn't make it subjective, there is an objectively right answer in the harm principle, we just don't know everything yet, and you still haven't answered the question, why does God think something is good, WHAT IS HIS FUCKING REASONING, JUST TELL ME, and whatever answer you come up with, WE can definitely use that principle without the need of God, God's orders imply that a lot of the times he uses the harm principle so why can't we use it, also everything is physical, our emotions and thoughts and desires and beliefs and abstraction all stem from a physical thing, these things are materialistic, anyways, this doesn't matter too much, just address the God reasoning problem, I mean address everything but that's your main problem.

 

[voluptuousness]

The universe came from nothing

atheists when the pilot announces the plane will go through a storm

 

[Shogun]

Religion was created to make goys like you more subservient

 

[2025cel]

Being an atheist is better than being a pagan, sorry.

 

[JasGews69x]

Being an atheist is better than being a pagan, sorry.

Atheists are pagans/polytheists

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

E

Ehhh not really, just because people disagree on something doesn't make it subjective, there is an objectively right answer in the harm principle, we just don't know everything yet, and you still haven't answered the question, why does God think something is good, WHAT IS HIS FUCKING REASONING, JUST TELL ME, and whatever answer you come up with, WE can definitely use that principle without the need of God, God's orders imply that a lot of the times he uses the harm principle so why can't we use it, also everything is physical, our emotions and thoughts and desires and beliefs and abstraction all stem from a physical thing, these things are materialistic, anyways, this doesn't matter too much, just address the God reasoning problem, I mean address everything but that's your main problem.

Oh so it’s a faith based claim your making

GAYtheists always resort to this once they are shown the errors of their retarded inconsistent incoherent illogical worldview. What IF WE NEVER FIND OUT THEN WHAT .

AS I said I throughly debunked the harm principle and your low IQ dumbass is trying to still argue the same points I debunked again and again I swear GAYtheist are becoming as dumb as Mohammedens

Why something is good or bad in gods eyes doesn’t matter to us if he’s real does it, the only thing that matters is that it’s good or bad if he says so. Why? Because he’s the arbiter of all creation if everything comes from him then the rules are set by him the same way when I make my video game in Unity studio I set the parameters because it’s my game

But theologically it’s because God is Holy and what he says is law because everything made was his and is his. Philosophically it’s because he’s the axiom for all creation, the only possible explanation and one that can be the grounding for Trancendental categories and thefore the only one that can explain and account for all reality logically and coherently.


I noticed with GAYthiests like you the issue is “Prove gods real” the issue is that you don’t want God to be real because then you’d have to submit your authority to a higher power and that both terrified you and angers you because then you no longer can be your own God. This is precisely what is going on here, and your questioning on why god can state what’s good and bad objectively led me to this conclusion.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Being an atheist is better than being a pagan, sorry.

Same shit to me ngl

All non Christian’s are pagans and heathens it is what it is

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Oh so it’s a faith based claim your making

GAYtheists always resort to this once they are shown the errors of their retarded inconsistent incoherent illogical worldview. What IF WE NEVER FIND OUT THEN WHAT .

AS I said I throughly debunked the harm principle and your low IQ dumbass is trying to still argue the same points I debunked again and again I swear GAYtheist are becoming as dumb as Mohammedens

Why something is good or bad in gods eyes doesn’t matter to us if he’s real does it, the only thing that matters is that it’s good or bad if he says so. Why? Because he’s the arbiter of all creation if everything comes from him then the rules are set by him the same way when I make my video game in Unity studio I set the parameters because it’s my game

But theologically it’s because God is Holy and what he says is law because everything made was his and is his. Philosophically it’s because he’s the axiom for all creation, the only possible explanation and one that can be the grounding for Trancendental categories and thefore the only one that can explain and account for all reality logically and coherently.


I noticed with GAYthiests like you the issue is “Prove gods real” the issue is that you don’t want God to be real because then you’d have to submit your authority to a higher power and that both terrified you and angers you because then you no longer can be your own God. This is precisely what is going on here, and your questioning on why god can state what’s good and bad objectively led me to this conclusion.

Ehhh, I'm not making a faith claim, we can and should try to discover more about something being harmful or not, it's the only way we can be sure that what we are doing is right. And you still didn't explain gods reasoning, is he that weak and pathetic that he cannot explain his own position on the matter, you do realise that if God's plan was to make everyone a good person and follow his teachings, explaining why he considers something to be good or bad would help massively in achieving that.

 

[fluxx]

aint u a foid?

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

The universe came from my ass

Blasphemy

 

[2025cel]

Blasphemy

Bruh, why did he do that? Idk

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Bruh, why did he do that? Idk

Christians will always preach Christianity then say some crazy ass satanist tier blasphemy

 

[Poopless One]

Blasphemy

You're right. I've made a mistake.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

You're right. I've made a mistake.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Ehhh, I'm not making a faith claim, we can and should try to discover more about something being harmful or not, it's the only way we can be sure that what we are doing is right. And you still didn't explain gods reasoning, is he that weak and pathetic that he cannot explain his own position on the matter, you do realise that if God's plan was to make everyone a good person and follow his teachings, explaining why he considers something to be good or bad would help massively in achieving that.

We are not god we can to understand god and gods reason is simple. He is holy, he is Good but if you want to go down this rabbit hole then ethics comes down to this “evil is the deprivation of good” so anything that god doesn’t like is evil by default. Are you happy now?

he has the 10 commandments you can go read or just pick up the entire Bible and you’ll Keene what’s wrong and not wrong, it’s not my job to do a Bible study session with over this this

You made a faith claim when you said “well we just don’t know the answers yet in due time we will” no different than a Muslim in destroying saying “Allah knows best and on the day of judgement we will have all our answers” or a Christian saying “well it will be clear to us in the Eschaton”

It all is speculative and built upon the hope and belief that answers will be given that’s the point. This is why I say atheism is an religion and religion in not believing in god

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

We are not god we can to understand god and gods reason is simple. He is holy, he is Good but if you want to go down this rabbit hole then ethics comes down to this “evil is the deprivation of good” so anything that god doesn’t like is evil by default. Are you happy now?

he has the 10 commandments you can go read or just pick up the entire Bible and you’ll Keene what’s wrong and not wrong, it’s not my job to do a Bible study session with over this this

You made a faith claim when you said “well we just don’t know the answers yet in due time we will” no different than a Muslim in destroying saying “Allah knows best and on the day of judgement we will have all our answers” or a Christian saying “well it will be clear to us in the Eschaton”

It all is speculative and built upon the hope and belief that answers will be given that’s the point. This is why I say atheism is an religion and religion in not believing in god

No actually, I think we already have the answers, it's just that most people aren't smart enough to comprehend all the variables, but it's pretty simple, anyways, your gods reasoning explanation is horrendous, you didn't say anything, evil is something god doesn't like, okay? WHY DOESN'T HE LIKE IT, EXPLAIN YOU DUMB FUCK, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ARROGANT WITHOUT KNOWING WHY YOUR GUIDER CONSIDERS SOMETHING TO BE GOOD OR BAD?!

 

[JasGews69x]

No actually, I think we already have the answers, it's just that most people aren't smart enough to comprehend all the variables, but it's pretty simple, anyways, your gods reasoning explanation is horrendous, you didn't say anything, evil is something god doesn't like, okay? WHY DOESN'T HE LIKE IT, EXPLAIN YOU DUMB FUCK, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ARROGANT WITHOUT KNOWING WHY YOUR GUIDER CONSIDERS SOMETHING TO BE GOOD OR BAD?!

Bro,calm down.
God is All-Wise , All-Knowing, The Just ,The Truth, All Aware, The Guide

 

[KDD5]

No atheist has said that.

 

[KDD5]

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You’re a retard

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

No actually, I think we already have the answers, it's just that most people aren't smart enough to comprehend all the variables, but it's pretty simple, anyways, your gods reasoning explanation is horrendous, you didn't say anything, evil is something god doesn't like, okay? WHY DOESN'T HE LIKE IT, EXPLAIN YOU DUMB FUCK, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ARROGANT WITHOUT KNOWING WHY YOUR GUIDER CONSIDERS SOMETHING TO BE GOOD OR BAD?!

Then fucking explain the answers to me then.

Do it instead of just saying “we have the answers “ you don’t have jack shit stfu you retard

Go to the CHATGPT you love to use so much as ask it what you want and it’ll tell you. As I said I’m not gonna do a Bible study session with you here fucking retard.


So you can’t back up your beliefs, you rely on “faith” that science will answer everything, you then assert that we have the answers yet when asked “what is the answer” you give cryptic nonsense that leads to the issue you had before, moral Relitavism.

The whole form is laughing at you right now there’s a reason people are reacting to my responses and yours gets memed on because your a fucking retard

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Bro,calm down.
God is All-Wise , All-Knowing, The Just ,The Truth, All Aware, The Guide

Asserting stuff without providing evidence