Atheists be like

[JasGews69x]

Asserting stuff without providing evidence

God told us

 

[JasGews69x]

No actually, I think we already have the answers, it's just that most people aren't smart enough to comprehend all the variables, but it's pretty simple, anyways, your gods reasoning explanation is horrendous, you didn't say anything, evil is something god doesn't like, okay? WHY DOESN'T HE LIKE IT, EXPLAIN YOU DUMB FUCK, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO ARROGANT WITHOUT KNOWING WHY YOUR GUIDER CONSIDERS SOMETHING TO BE GOOD OR BAD?!

if you knew the attributes of God you wouldnt say this

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Then fucking explain the answers to me then.

Do it instead of just saying “we have the answers “ you don’t have jack shit stfu you retard

Go to the CHATGPT you love to use so much as ask it what you want and it’ll tell you. As I said I’m not gonna do a Bible study session with you here fucking retard.


So you can’t back up your beliefs, you rely on “faith” that science will answer everything, you then assert that we have the answers yet when asked “what is the answer” you give cryptic nonsense that leads to the issue you had before, moral Relitavism.

The whole form is laughing at you right now there’s a reason people are reacting to my responses and yours gets memed on because your a fucking retard

You didn't answer but my answer is simple, if it causes harm it is bad, what if the action causes both, a rapist likes raping and the victim doesn't like it, well the one who is more valuable has the advantage and the value is gained by how much happiness you've caused, the rapist has low value since he's causing pain and the victim is most likely innocent, even if the victim is someone who caused suffering, there is still a better way to go about things, but if raping the evil guy causes the most amount of happiness to emerge, for example if the victims of the evil guy want to take revenge and they would like for the evil guy to suffer then sure, even though this wouldn't happen in a perfect society since everyone would have empathy and would rather help the evil guy overcome his evilness than make him suffer, anyways, it is such an easy guidebook I don't understand the confusion, the purpose is to increase the well being of others, this includes better health care and education for all, more free time, more freedom unless if it involves hurting someone etc.

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

God told us

Nah, mine told me that he doesn't exist.

 

[JasGews69x]

if it causes harm it is bad,

Why are assuming that harming is bad? Why should we follow this?
If we live atheistic world you have the same value as the poop that i took earlier. Since we are just atoms and carbon.
We are just an accident. Assigning value is cope

rapist

Can you 'prove' rape exists?
Theres no evidence that it exists?

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Why are assuming that harming is bad? Why should we follow this?
If we live atheistic world you have the same value as the poop that i took earlier. Since we are just atoms and carbon.
We are just an accident. Assigning value is cope

Can you 'prove' rape exists?
Theres no evidence that it exists?

What do you mean? Would God want to be harmed? Why doesn't God allow rape if harm isn't bad, like why do you need god to tell you that it's bad in order to stop doing that, we can logically understand why is it bad, it has practical consequences... anyways, why does your god think that rape is bad?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Why are assuming that harming is bad? Why should we follow this?
If we live atheistic world you have the same value as the poop that i took earlier. Since we are just atoms and carbon.
We are just an accident. Assigning value is cope

Can you 'prove' rape exists?
Theres no evidence that it exists?

He’s a retard I always said all of this member GAYthiesm makes your brain shrink to the size of a peanut. I’m no longer replying to him he keeps asking the same questions which I have answered over 5 times

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You didn't answer but my answer is simple, if it causes harm it is bad, what if the action causes both, a rapist likes raping and the victim doesn't like it, well the one who is more valuable has the advantage and the value is gained by how much happiness you've caused, the rapist has low value since he's causing pain and the victim is most likely innocent, even if the victim is someone who caused suffering, there is still a better way to go about things, but if raping the evil guy causes the most amount of happiness to emerge, for example if the victims of the evil guy want to take revenge and they would like for the evil guy to suffer then sure, even though this wouldn't happen in a perfect society since everyone would have empathy and would rather help the evil guy overcome his evilness than make him suffer, anyways, it is such an easy guidebook I don't understand the confusion, the purpose is to increase the well being of others, this includes better health care and education for all, more free time, more freedom unless if it involves hurting someone etc.

You’re too low IQ for me this is my final msg

Once again you haven’t provided a reason why it’s definitively true all you have said is “the event helps lives” ok and why ought we to help lives of randoms? The world is getting overpopulated and competition is on the rise some would argue letting others live shit lives or die is a good thing and your worldview can’t critique or even tell them that they are wrong for it.

You said evil guy there is no “Evil” in atheism stop borrowing from theistic frameworks once again I know it’s hard because GAYthiesm makes 0 sense but dude you gotta stop doing this your looking dumb

Anyways ultimately it’s all useless everything you said is useless and meaningless whether people suffer or succeed it doesn’t matter. Western nations are rich sucking the life out of the 3rd world to the point the places are fucked brutally that has given way for you to sit in your fucking room spouting nonsense meanwhile an 9yr old African boy in Sierra Leoone is digging for diamonds for your shithole nation so your ultruism is at the expense of others which isn’t wrong, bad nor is it good it just IS which js what your stupid belief concludes with the answer of “IS” for everything lmfao

 

[JasGews69x]

What do you mean?

Can you prove good and evil exists?
Can I measure it?
Can you prove rape exists?
From an atheistic perspective?

Would God want to be harmed?

He cant be harmed

why does your god think that rape is bad?

Bruh, I already told you that He is All-Wise, All-Knowing, The Guide

 

[Poopless One]

You’re a retard

You're a nigger

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

You’re too low IQ for me this is my final msg

Once again you haven’t provided a reason why it’s definitively true all you have said is “the event helps lives” ok and why ought we to help lives of randoms? The world is getting overpopulated and competition is on the rise some would argue letting others live shit lives or die is a good thing and your worldview can’t critique or even tell them that they are wrong for it.

You said evil guy there is no “Evil” in atheism stop borrowing from theistic frameworks once again I know it’s hard because GAYthiesm makes 0 sense but dude you gotta stop doing this your looking dumb

Anyways ultimately it’s all useless everything you said is useless and meaningless whether people suffer or succeed it doesn’t matter. Western nations are rich sucking the life out of the 3rd world to the point the places are fucked brutally that has given way for you to sit in your fucking room spouting nonsense meanwhile an 9yr old African boy in Sierra Leoone is digging for diamonds for your shithole nation so your ultruism is at the expense of others which isn’t wrong, bad nor is it good it just IS which js what your stupid belief concludes with the answer of “IS” for everything lmfao

No it's evil, I shouldn't take it for granted and I and everyone should try to improve the life of that 9yo girl, its definitively good because it causes happiness and it reduces suffering, do you disagree with this, do you think we should do the opposite?

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Can you prove good and evil exists?
Can I measure it?
Can you prove rape exists?
From an atheistic perspective?

He cant be harmed

Bruh, I already told you that He is All-Wise, All-Knowing, The Guide

OK using his knowledge why is rape bad?

 

[JasGews69x]

Can you prove good and evil exists?

OK using his knowledge why is rape bad?

He has the knowledge of good and bad

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

No it's evil, I shouldn't take it for granted and I and everyone should try to improve the life of that 9yo girl, its definitively good because it causes happiness and it reduces suffering, do you disagree with this, do you think we should do the opposite?

Dumbass there is no fucking evil in atheism this is truly my final response read it and read it well and no I never typed this shit your no longer worthy of my time

Here read this excerpt

While naturalism and materialism offer frameworks for understanding the natural world, accounting for the concept of “evil” within these paradigms presents significant philosophical challenges. The absence of a transcendent moral authority leads to debates over moral relativism and the foundation of ethical principles, indicating that this remains a complex area in philosophy.

Evolutionary Explanations: Some naturalists argue that behaviors labeled as “evil” can be understood through evolutionary processes, such as natural selection. For instance, actions causing harm might be seen as maladaptive in social species. However, this explanation often describes the development of moral sentiments without prescribing them, leading to the “is-ought” problem identified by philosopher David Hume. This problem highlights the difficulty of deriving prescriptive moral duties solely from descriptive natural facts.

Lack of Objective Moral Anchors: Without a transcendent source, establishing objective standards for good and evil becomes complex. Moral values may be seen as human constructs, leading to moral relativism. This perspective suggests that what one culture deems “evil,” another might consider acceptable, indicating that moral judgments are contingent upon societal norms rather than universal truths.

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Can you prove good and evil exists?

He has the knowledge of good and bad

OK, that knowledge should contain the explanation of why rape is bad, now answer.

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Dumbass there is no fucking evil in atheism this is truly my final response read it and read it well and no I never typed this shit your no longer worthy of my time

Here read this excerpt

While naturalism and materialism offer frameworks for understanding the natural world, accounting for the concept of “evil” within these paradigms presents significant philosophical challenges. The absence of a transcendent moral authority leads to debates over moral relativism and the foundation of ethical principles, indicating that this remains a complex area in philosophy.

Evolutionary Explanations: Some naturalists argue that behaviors labeled as “evil” can be understood through evolutionary processes, such as natural selection. For instance, actions causing harm might be seen as maladaptive in social species. However, this explanation often describes the development of moral sentiments without prescribing them, leading to the “is-ought” problem identified by philosopher David Hume. This problem highlights the difficulty of deriving prescriptive moral duties solely from descriptive natural facts.

Lack of Objective Moral Anchors: Without a transcendent source, establishing objective standards for good and evil becomes complex. Moral values may be seen as human constructs, leading to moral relativism. This perspective suggests that what one culture deems “evil,” another might consider acceptable, indicating that moral judgments are contingent upon societal norms rather than universal truths.

Uhm, this doesn't refute the harm principle being objective, societies have different moralities cuz they follow different moral frameworks, you don't have a point.

 

[JasGews69x]

OK, that knowledge should contain the explanation of why rape is bad, now answer.

Yes, he has all knowledge

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Yes, he has all knowledge

Okay now give me the answer, why is it bad?

 

[JasGews69x]

Okay now give me the answer, why is it bad?

Because pre marital sex is bad

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Uhm, this doesn't refute the harm principle being objective, societies have different moralities cuz they follow different moral frameworks, you don't have a point.

wow

You just refuted yourself I don’t even need to do anything your shits so dumb you said “it’s objective but each society has their own subjective take on ethics and everybody does” which makes it you guessed it “RELATIVE” esp as society changes which ruins your argument even more. 300 years ago in USA it was humane to keep blacks as sex toys science experiments and beasts of burden in the fields. Now you cannot do that.

In atheistic worldview you can’t objectively say slavery holocaust etc were wrong as the people doing these actions didn’t believe it to be wrong and thus it’s cancels out and now it’s a matter of opinion

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Because pre marital sex is bad

Holy fuck, you can't just keep pushing the goalpost, and you can rape your wife technically, hmm, why is that bad then?

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

wow

You just refuted yourself I don’t even need to do anything your shits so dumb you said “it’s objective but each society has their own subjective take on ethics and everybody does” which makes it you guessed it “RELATIVE” esp as society changes which ruins your argument even more. 300 years ago in USA it was humane to keep blacks as sex toys science experiments and beasts of burden in the fields. Now you cannot do that.

In atheistic worldview you can’t objectively say slavery holocaust etc were wrong as the people doing these actions didn’t believe it to be wrong and thus it’s cancels out and now it’s a matter of opinion

ITS NOT YOU STUPID FUCK, based on the harm principle it is objectively bad, the harm principle always has an objective answer, societies just didn't follow it or just followed some aspects of it and even then often times failed to consider all the variables and therefore often times made the suboptimal decision, such a low iq for such a high ego.

 

[JasGews69x]

Holy fuck, you can't just keep pushing the goalpost, and you can rape your wife technically, hmm, why is that bad then?

How am I pushing the goalpost, i am answering you.
Its oppression

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

How am I pushing the goalpost, i am answering you.
Its oppression

Oppression is bad? Okay now we are getting somewhere, and I think you'll agree that oppression is bad because it hurts others right? And if that's the case then we don't need god for our morality, we can follow this principle without him, he isn't necessary in determining if something is right or wrong, we just simply see if it's hurting somebody and if it is then it's wrong, if it benefits somebody then it's good. See? It's simple.

 

[JasGews69x]

that oppression is bad because it hurts others right?

Partly. But there are other things that are bad which dont harm others.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

AnD WhERe dID God CoMe FrOm

No answer? That's what I thought

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

Partly. But there are other things that are bad which dont harm others.

Then why are they bad?

 

[JasGews69x]

Then why are they bad?

-Harming yourself is bad
-Causes distrust within a community
etc

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

-Harming yourself is bad
-Causes distrust within a community
etc

Oh yeah obviously, and you see that we don't need god to understand why these are bad.

 

[JasGews69x]

Oh yeah obviously, and you see that we don't need god to understand why these are bad.

If its so obvious why do people do it then?

Theres lots more

 

[Mosh12]

Islam and Judaism make much more sense than Christianity which has been proven to be Roman paganism merged with some basic Jewish teachings.

There is no probably afterlife. This life is all we have so enjoy the ride folks!

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

If its so obvious why do people do it then?

Theres lots more

Because people aren't perfect? Even religious people commit bad stuff? Like the point is that "we know how to know if something is right or wrong without god"

 

[JasGews69x]

Because people aren't perfect? Even religious people commit bad stuff? Like the point is that "we know how to know if something is right or wrong without god"

The Seventy Major Sins in Islam

Imam al-Dhahabi compiled a list of seventy major sins, which I will mention below so as to give a clear indication of the actions that many of us – knowingly or unknowingly – may take part in or have done so in the past. Once we know what these major sins are, it’s vital that we make the...

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[moredatesmorerapes]

Because people aren't perfect? Even religious people commit bad stuff? Like the point is that "we know how to know if something is right or wrong without god"

That’s not the point they’re making
It’s that objective morality only exists if a god that dictates it does

 

[StupidHedonist_INTP]

That’s not the point they’re making
It’s that objective morality only exists if a god that dictates it does

They didn't say anything that would imply that they meant that, they just said why are people still bad if morality is obvious, well its cuz people are bad, they're bad with and without religions, anyways, we literally agreed that objective morality can exist without god, things like the harm principle are enough.