Attraction and ethnicities

[Avagar Nexus]

Say the agreement is that certain ethnicities have more desirable features on avarage, and that they appeal as attractive to all ethnicites.

Take someone considered MTN+ in a certain country, where the desirable traits arnen’t as present.Is he considered attractive because he fits those standards, and thus him living in the country, say where those traits are in abundance, wouldn’t change his MTN+ status.

I’m sure that many would say that he could maybe lose the MTN status, but this would only be justified by accepting that there’s some subjectivity to it where certain ethnicities prefer certain traits to others, or that maybe people just settle for less in countries where the desirable traits lack on avarage.

Say we were to take someone from this country where the desirable traits are less frequent and rate people, and someone of the same ethnic background raised in the country where the desirable traits are in abundance, would their ratings differ by much.

People who have switched countries, or observed people of different ethnicities in both hypothetical scenarios maybe could add to this

 

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People who have switched countries maybe could add to this

Moved from Europe to an 80% Mexican part of the US, only reason I survived as a Sub-5 is because I'm god compared to these manlet beaners.

 

[Avagar Nexus]

Moved from Europe to an 80% Mexican part of the US, only reason I survived as a Sub-5 is because I'm god compared to these manlet beaners.

Would you say face evaluation is about the same, or are you considered more attractive there

 

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Would you say face evaluation is about the same, or are you considered more attractive there

I'm infinitely more attractive having Euro features when everybody else is a fucking 5'5 Aztec, if I were still in Europe I would be perceived less than half as GL as I am here

 

[Avagar Nexus]

I'm infinitely more attractive having Euro features when everybody else is a fucking 5'5 Aztec, if I were still in Europe I would be perceived less than half as GL as I am here

Are you from Northern Europe?

 

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Are you from Northern Europe?

Yes but I have dark brown hair and eyes
Very pale tho

 

[Avagar Nexus]

Yes but I have dark brown hair and eyes
Very pale tho

Would you say your SMV is higher then an HTN Aztec, as you described haha

 

[SabiWabi]

Say the agreement is that certain ethnicities have more desirable features on avarage, and that they appeal as attractive to all ethnicites.

Take someone considered MTN+ in a certain country, where the desirable traits arnen’t as present.Is he considered attractive because he fits those standards, and thus him living in the country, say where those traits are in abundance, wouldn’t change his MTN+ status.

I’m sure that many would say that he could maybe lose the MTN status, but this would only be justified by accepting that there’s some subjectivity to it where certain ethnicities prefer certain traits to others, or that maybe people just settle for less in countries where the desirable traits lack on avarage.

Say we were to take someone from this country where the desirable traits are less frequent and rate people, and someone of the same ethnic background raised in the country where the desirable traits are in abundance, would their ratings differ by much.

People who have switched countries, or observed people of different ethnicities in both hypothetical scenarios maybe could add to this

thats why its easier to go by the european psl scale, thus a htn from any race would mog a mtn from any race

 

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Would you say your SMV is higher then an HTN Aztec, as you described haha

I wish I could say yes but I don't think so.
I have a few physical deformities which drag me down so much, getting surgery for those soon, after I will assuredly look better than any Latin American male I've seen IRL.

thats why its easier to go by the european psl scale, thus a htn from any race would mog a mtn from any race

Definitely, I don't want to talk about "Chad among Indians", a fixed scale works infinitely better.

 

[Avagar Nexus]

thats why its easier to go by the european psl scale, thus a htn from any race would mog a mtn from any race

Absolutely, if you make the scale universal by taking everything into account, but say someone who lives let’s make the difference less someone who is considered very attractive in Spain or Greece moves to Northern Europe or the US. How would that affect him, in the universal scale the rating would of course not change. But would he get a different treatment. Which would imply that certain places treat lower ratings better or worse

 

[Avagar Nexus]

I wish I could say yes but I don't think so.
I have a few physical deformities which drag me down so much, getting surgery for those soon, after I will assuredly look better than any Latin American male I've seen IRL.



Definitely, I don't want to talk about "Chad among Indians", a fixed scale works infinitely better.

In your example of the “Chad in India” he would me closer to MTN, but India having less chads, would boost his SMV?

 

[SabiWabi]

Absolutely, if you make the scale universal by taking everything into account, but say someone who lives let’s make the difference less someone who is considered very attractive in Spain or Greece moves to Northern Europe or the US. How would that affect him, in the universal scale the rating would of course not change. But would he get a different treatment. Which would imply that certain places treat lower ratings better or worse

I think there are some preferences from two mtns of different races and different treatments, so imo race would be a more important factor in that scenario in northern europe or us, but also I think between a foreign htn and a native mtn in these areas, the htn will shine more.

 

[Avagar Nexus]

I think there are some preferences from two mtns of different races and different treatments, so imo race would be a more important factor in that scenario in northern europe or us, but also I think between a foreign htn and a native mtn in these areas, the htn will shine more.

Are you from southern Europe?
But in this case would the differences be less since it’s an area change more then race?
Yeah i agree i also think the HTN would do better then the MTN, even if having a less familiar look. Sometimes the less familiar look might even be a boost even maybe?!

 

[SabiWabi]

Are you from southern Europe?
But in this case would the differences be less since it’s an area change more then race?
Yeah i agree i also think the HTN would do better then the MTN, even if having a less familiar look. Sometimes the less familiar look might even be a boost even maybe?!

yea the htn and mtn could be closer in europe and the USA, and no im from the USA

 

[glittereverywhere]

Say the agreement is that certain ethnicities have more desirable features on avarage, and that they appeal as attractive to all ethnicites.

Take someone considered MTN+ in a certain country, where the desirable traits arnen’t as present.Is he considered attractive because he fits those standards, and thus him living in the country, say where those traits are in abundance, wouldn’t change his MTN+ status.

I’m sure that many would say that he could maybe lose the MTN status, but this would only be justified by accepting that there’s some subjectivity to it where certain ethnicities prefer certain traits to others, or that maybe people just settle for less in countries where the desirable traits lack on avarage.

Say we were to take someone from this country where the desirable traits are less frequent and rate people, and someone of the same ethnic background raised in the country where the desirable traits are in abundance, would their ratings differ by much.

People who have switched countries, or observed people of different ethnicities in both hypothetical scenarios maybe could add to this

in any given population theres a phenotypic average, and then there are deviations from it
those deviations = what people subconsciously notice

being MTN+ isnot just having good traits, it’s having traits that stand out positively relative to the norm around you

a guy can be MTN+ in country A because he has:
– sharper features than local avg
– better harmony than local avg
– more rare traits in that pool

but drop him into country B where those traits are baseline? his perceived rating shifts even if his face didnt

if he “loses” MTN status, that automatically proves subjectivity / relativity in this ratings


because the same skull, same ratios, different environment = different outcome

now about the “universality”

there ARE cross-ethnic signals people generally read as attractive, such as symmetry, sexual dimorphism, clear skin, proportional harmony

but phenotype expression of those varies a lot, like sharp jaw in one population might be avg in another, or light eyes might be exotic in one place and invisible in another

a 7 in one country can be a 5 in another / a 6 can jump to 8 just by being phenotypically distinct there

same ethnicity but different upbringing environments

would ratings differ?
yh, and not only bc of looks. it can be things such as grooming norms, facial expression patterns, body language and micro-social calibration

people rate the presentation phenotype too, not just bone structure

ok, ofc u don’t fully reset when you move
but you definitely get re-contextualized

 

[Arabica]

Say the agreement is that certain ethnicities have more desirable features on avarage, and that they appeal as attractive to all ethnicites.

Take someone considered MTN+ in a certain country, where the desirable traits arnen’t as present.Is he considered attractive because he fits those standards, and thus him living in the country, say where those traits are in abundance, wouldn’t change his MTN+ status.

I’m sure that many would say that he could maybe lose the MTN status, but this would only be justified by accepting that there’s some subjectivity to it where certain ethnicities prefer certain traits to others, or that maybe people just settle for less in countries where the desirable traits lack on avarage.

Say we were to take someone from this country where the desirable traits are less frequent and rate people, and someone of the same ethnic background raised in the country where the desirable traits are in abundance, would their ratings differ by much.

People who have switched countries, or observed people of different ethnicities in both hypothetical scenarios maybe could add to this

the meta is to go to japan and absolutely mog everyone there cause they are all 5'3 feminoid manlets

 

[Avagar Nexus]

the meta is to go to japan and absolutely mog everyone there cause they are all 5'3 feminoid manlets

But the females are so too

 

[Avagar Nexus]

in any given population theres a phenotypic average, and then there are deviations from it
those deviations = what people subconsciously notice

being MTN+ isnot just having good traits, it’s having traits that stand out positively relative to the norm around you

a guy can be MTN+ in country A because he has:
– sharper features than local avg
– better harmony than local avg
– more rare traits in that pool

but drop him into country B where those traits are baseline? his perceived rating shifts even if his face didnt

if he “loses” MTN status, that automatically proves subjectivity / relativity in this ratings


because the same skull, same ratios, different environment = different outcome

now about the “universality”

there ARE cross-ethnic signals people generally read as attractive, such as symmetry, sexual dimorphism, clear skin, proportional harmony

but phenotype expression of those varies a lot, like sharp jaw in one population might be avg in another, or light eyes might be exotic in one place and invisible in another

a 7 in one country can be a 5 in another / a 6 can jump to 8 just by being phenotypically distinct there

same ethnicity but different upbringing environments

would ratings differ?
yh, and not only bc of looks. it can be things such as grooming norms, facial expression patterns, body language and micro-social calibration

people rate the presentation phenotype too, not just bone structure

ok, ofc u don’t fully reset when you move
but you definitely get re-contextualized

Sounds logical, however this would work without putting absolute ratings on them, but rather calling them attractive within those ethnicities, and where changing to a place different would impact it slightly. The facial expression patterns and micro social calibration is a good and valid point as well. However, would it even make sense to say that one place’s expression betters are better than all the rest, or just like you said with certain aspects of looks, there’s total subjectivity to it and what you’re more used to. Would you say those differences are relevant between southern and Northern Europe ,(being grooming habits, expressions,features) so perceived ratings etc

 

[glittereverywhere]

Sounds logical, however this would work without putting absolute ratings on them, but rather calling them attractive within those ethnicities, and where changing to a place different would impact it slightly. The facial expression patterns and micro social calibration is a good and valid point as well. However, would it even make sense to say that one place’s expression betters are better than all the rest, or just like you said with certain aspects of looks, there’s total subjectivity to it and what you’re more used to. Would you say those differences are relevant between southern and Northern Europe ,(being grooming habits, expressions,features) so perceived ratings etc

i wouldnt frame it as a clean north vs south split tbh. like yeah there are slight differences in vibe
for example nordics have more reserved expressions or cleaner/minimal grooming, while mediterranean more expressive faces, more effort in styling

but that alone obviously doesnt radically shift ratings. it’s mostly surface-level presentation, not deep phenotype divergence

the bigger variable is actually historical living conditions. if you look at regions like the balkans or countries that went through heavy soviet-era pressure you’re dealing with GENERATIONS exposed to worse nutrition consistency, stress-heavy environments, harsher labor conditions, minimal access to healthcare or orthodontics and overall lower development stability during growth years, and that matters more than people want to admit

genetics are expressed through environment over generations, and if multiple generations go through suboptimal conditions you start seeing less optimal facial development on average, more asymmetry, worse dental baselines, higher stress markers in appearance

and things like widespread androgenic alopecia spikes in the Balkans can also correlate with lifestyle shifts layered on top of genetics

these people are inherently worse becayse their baseline got shaped under rougher conditions for longer

meanwhile in wealthier parts of western europe: stable nutrition for decades, better childhood healthcare, earlier orthodontic intervention, higher grooming standards

so the average presentation/development outcome ends up cleaner

but this gap is shrinking fast. if you compare millennials vs genZ, the difference is way more visible in millennials because they still carry more of that transitional environment

but gen z now have the same internet exposure, so same grooming culture, similar shitty diets and similar beauty standards globally

so a kid from, say, italy vs france vs eastern europe today often ends up with very similar aesthetic calibration

 

[Avagar Nexus]

i wouldnt frame it as a clean north vs south split tbh. like yeah there are slight differences in vibe
for example nordics have more reserved expressions or cleaner/minimal grooming, while mediterranean more expressive faces, more effort in styling

but that alone obviously doesnt radically shift ratings. it’s mostly surface-level presentation, not deep phenotype divergence

the bigger variable is actually historical living conditions. if you look at regions like the balkans or countries that went through heavy soviet-era pressure you’re dealing with GENERATIONS exposed to worse nutrition consistency, stress-heavy environments, harsher labor conditions, minimal access to healthcare or orthodontics and overall lower development stability during growth years, and that matters more than people want to admit

genetics are expressed through environment over generations, and if multiple generations go through suboptimal conditions you start seeing less optimal facial development on average, more asymmetry, worse dental baselines, higher stress markers in appearance

and things like widespread androgenic alopecia spikes in the Balkans can also correlate with lifestyle shifts layered on top of genetics

these people are inherently worse becayse their baseline got shaped under rougher conditions for longer

meanwhile in wealthier parts of western europe: stable nutrition for decades, better childhood healthcare, earlier orthodontic intervention, higher grooming standards

so the average presentation/development outcome ends up cleaner

but this gap is shrinking fast. if you compare millennials vs genZ, the difference is way more visible in millennials because they still carry more of that transitional environment

but gen z now have the same internet exposure, so same grooming culture, similar shitty diets and similar beauty standards globally

so a kid from, say, italy vs france vs eastern europe today often ends up with very similar aesthetic calibration

That’s true you can especially see it from Slavs, they’re almost Nordic looking but more beaten up, they seem like they have more character in a way, and different expressions.

The more southern looking balkans do like very similair to Italians or French but again you can see it’s like they look like they went through something in a way.

But like you said the generation of now doesn’t have the tired look as much as the previous ones, where they seem in a way like they’re angry all the time looking. And with globalization most people dress almost similair.

But culture wise, especially the Balkan region being much more social then say the nordics, tend to not really put any emphasis on anything that has to do with looks, when it comes to the face. It is in a way almost shameful there, if a male were to even seem like caring about it.

 

[glittereverywhere]

That’s true you can especially see it from Slavs, they’re almost Nordic looking but more beaten up, they seem like they have more character in a way, and different expressions.

The more southern looking balkans do like very similair to Italians or French but again you can see it’s like they look like they went through something in a way.

But like you said the generation of now doesn’t have the tired look as much as the previous ones, where they seem in a way like they’re angry all the time looking. And with globalization most people dress almost similair.

But culture wise, especially the Balkan region being much more social then say the nordics, tend to not really put any emphasis on anything that has to do with looks, when it comes to the face. It is in a way almost shameful there, if a male were to even seem like caring about it.

yeah u right

 

[Arabica]

But the females are so too

Who doesn't like femlets