Attractive to the Male Gaze but Not Sufficient With Female Gaze

[True.Nelts]

I have been consistently rated on .org & Discord within the HMTN-LHTN range on average. In-person I am complimented frequently regarding my jawline & physique by men.

For example, I decided to go to a college bar last night within a college town in the Midwest alone as I am not from the area. At the bar(s), I was approached by numerous straight, good-looking men looking to include me in their groups & endeavors. I asked numerous groups about the women at the college & they said I mog 90% of the dudes within the bar scene and that I would be able to get with any girl i went up to. However, when I approached them they were either disinterested and or aggressive.

Why is it that I am claimed societally good-looking by men but not reciprocated to the same extent with women? Even my older coworkers @ my internship said I am good looking. It makes 0 sense. I used to be ND but recently my adderall script has made me quite NT. I am also 6'0 barefoot, 6'2 height-frauded-- so it cannot be stature?

TLDR: Why do men & overall society deem me to be attractive but women I go up to not parallel that reaction?

These pictures/video are of me this morning hungover & with no shower, daily softmaxxing, or angle frauding

 

[desperatesub5]

Because you pslmaxxed instead of appealmaxxing

 

[UtterFailureAnd5'5]

I have been consistently rated on .org & Discord within the HMTN-LHTN range on average. In-person I am complimented frequently regarding my jawline & physique by men.

For example, I decided to go to a college bar last night within a college town in the Midwest alone as I am not from the area. At the bar(s), I was approached by numerous straight, good-looking men looking to include me in their groups & endeavors. I asked numerous groups about the women at the college & they said I mog 90% of the dudes within the bar scene and that I would be able to get with any girl i went up to. However, when I approached them they were either disinterested and or aggressive.

Why is it that I am claimed societally good-looking by men but not reciprocated to the same extent with women? Even my older coworkers @ my internship said I am good looking. It makes 0 sense. I used to be ND but recently my adderall script has made me quite NT. I am also 6'0 barefoot, 6'2 height-frauded-- so it cannot be stature?

TLDR: Why do men & overall society deem me to be attractive but women I go up to not parallel that reaction?

These pictures/video are of me this morning hungover & with no shower, daily softmaxxing, or angle frauding



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dnr

 

[eduardkoopman]

However, when I approached them they were either disinterested and or aggressive.

okay, this was 1 evening.
How is your general experience, on day-to-day treatments by women?
And if you have done digital/online/app dating stuff; how did the response go there?

TLDR: Why do men & overall society deem me to be attractive but women I go up to not parallel that reaction?

These pictures/video are of me this morning hungover & with no shower, daily softmaxxing, or angle frauding



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i would rate your face in the chadlite ranges tbh. or maybe super solidg HTN at worse. Your have a bot of flaw imo with mouth/lips and maybe nose/midface ratio to much

 

[SoundnVision]

Your jawline looks uncanny have you had filler

 

[True.Nelts]

I don’t rate guys but I can say you have a great base that’s being brutally held back by this mouth area problem. This is such a big deal because the collapsed look of the lips is indicative of what’s technically a dysfunctional skeletal deformity. And in America, people are obsessed with mouth area, teeth, smile so any kind of malocclusion is one of the worst flaws you can have here. I know it’s one of my top priorities in life to fix my collapsed mouth area, and by PSL standards your base is at least as good as mine, I’d say it’s worth investing in and getting fixed.

How can I fix it?

 

[Whatever]

How can I fix it?

Start with a consultation at an orthodontist, they can offer to fix it just by moving the teeth or maybe refer you to a surgeon to fix the skeletal discrepancy. Surgery would obviously be more expensive but much better aesthetically.

 

[True.Nelts]

okay, this was 1 evening.
How is your general experience, on day-to-day treatments by women?
And if you have done digital/online/app dating stuff; how did the response go there?


i would rate your face in the chadlite ranges tbh. or maybe super solidg HTN at worse. Your have a bot of flaw imo with mouth/lips and maybe nose/midface ratio to much

I am utmost respectful even if dismissed to women. Outside of the bar-scene i get respected by everyone (restaurants, retail, etc.) [women included]. On dating apps I average 5 likes a day & 2-3 matches from my sent likes, which I believe is less than it should be. Yeah my mouth is quite thin and or horizontally short but I feel like me being white & the commonness of it helps my case, no? Appreciate the help & rating btw. I also height fraud from 6'0 to 6'3 so can't be that.

 

[True.Nelts]

Start with a consultation at an orthodontist, they can offer to fix it just by moving the teeth or maybe refer you to a surgeon to fix the skeletal discrepancy. Surgery would obviously be more expensive but much better aesthetically.

Don't orthodontics such as braces typically hinder the maxilla? I'm also 21.

 

[Hexxon]

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in the original photos u dont, but here ur face looks extremely gay, that could be why

 

[Whatever]

Don't orthodontics such as braces typically hinder the maxilla? I'm also 21.

That’s only during development or only if you opt to extract some teeth and retract the more forwards arch backwards. It’s better to fix this later in life, 21 is the perfect age to fix it, but you might need surgery.

 

[True.Nelts]

in the original photos u dont, but here ur face looks extremely gay, that could be why

How so

 

[True.Nelts]

That’s only during development or only if you opt to extract some teeth and retract the more forwards arch backwards. It’s better to fix this later in life, 21 is the perfect age to fix it, but you might need surgery.

Valid. What can I ascend to reasonably hardmaxxing?

 

[True.Nelts]

Because you pslmaxxed instead of appealmaxxing

So how can I appealmaxx?

 

[True.Nelts]

Your jawline looks uncanny have you had filler

I have not, get compliments on it all the time though as my halo

 

[True.Nelts]

dnr

Theres literally a TLDR

 

[Hexxon]

How so

I have no idea, but thats all I can think of, we are similar facially, im abit taller but u got a slightly better pheno, and I dont struggle at all and usually get approached at least 2 times a night

 

[True.Nelts]

I have no idea, but thats all I can think of, we are similar facially, im abit taller but u got a slightly better pheno, and I dont struggle at all and usually get approached at least 2 times a night

Odd. Do you dress good & what region are you in?

 

[UtterFailureAnd5'5]

Theres literally a TLDR

I'm messing

 

[Hexxon]

Odd. Do you dress good & what region are you in?

I normally wear black jeans and a plain black top or a polo sometimes. Also u have a much much better physique than me, I live in the UK, im guessing its the clubs or bars you're going to that are the issue

 

[True.Nelts]

I normally wear black jeans and a plain black top or a polo sometimes. Also u have a much much better physique than me, I live in the UK, im guessing its the clubs or bars you're going to that are the issue

Maybe our pheno isn't applicable to the American Midwest. I dress the same

 

[eduardkoopman]

Outside of the bar-scene i get respected by everyone (restaurants, retail, etc.) [women included]. On dating apps I average 5 likes a day & 2-3 matches from my sent likes, which I believe is less than it should be.

in that case, don't worry about that happening in the bar. You get plenty postive/good re-informecements imo to conclude you are quit good looking and have options.
congrats on that

Yeah my mouth is quite thin and or horizontally short but I feel like me being white & the commonness of it helps my case, no?

true, that helps, level of it heloing depends alot on location in the world

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

Since your looks arent the problem its probably exterior factors for example maybe u smell bad or have a bad personality or dont know how to talk to foids or maybe you dont carry yourself well or you dont have any experience talking to foids

 

[Whatever]

Valid. What can I ascend to reasonably hardmaxxing?

Like I said, I don’t rate guys and hate the rating system here. But you have a lot of other good features, but this one failo that is really holding you back, fix the one failo and see what happens. I think it’d absolutely be worth any cost or risk for you.

 

[True.Nelts]

Since your looks arent the problem its probably exterior factors for example maybe u smell bad or have a bad personality or dont know how to talk to foids or maybe you dont carry yourself well or you dont have any experience talking to foids

How can I improve this front? Any guides or sources?

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

How can I improve this front? Any guides or sources?

good hygiene, buy a couple good smelling colones, for personality you just need to think of it as a sports practice, the more you talk to foids the better youll become at it and therefore you wont sound creepy or uninteresting when going up to them. Being friends with a lot of people can help with that as well.

 

[True.Nelts]

good hygiene, buy a couple good smelling colones, for personality you just need to think of it as a sports practice, the more you talk to foids the better youll become at it and therefore you wont sound creepy or uninteresting when going up to them. Being friends with a lot of people can help with that as well.

High IQ & appreciate the effort in helping me out. Any cologne suggests? I just wear basic dillards polo cologne rn.

 

[bobstuckatmtn]

High IQ & appreciate the effort in helping me out. Any cologne suggests? I just wear basic dillards polo cologne rn.

i like valentino but rn i main afnan 9pm its really sweet