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If you are one of those who think that the main difference between you and a chadlite or even chad is genetics. Take some of these into consideration.
Just because the average person is overweight, does not make it normal. It is normal to society, but not normal as in the normal state that our bodies are supposed to be in.
This is the average person in the US, How many do you fit ? :
- Overweight
- Low T levels
- Stomach / digestive issues
- Mouth breather ( not average but common, and majority of people do something in between mouth breathing and nasal breathing)
- Stressed, over stimulated, psychological issues
- lack of sleep
- high sugar intake
- high caffeine intake
- drugs / alcohol problems
- Vitamin or mineral deficiency

In before "Chad does all those things yet he has a jawline, hunter eyes, low bf etc" .
Some people are less affected than others, but this does not mean that your genetics is unattractive. If you believe that a jawline is attractive, do you consider it genetic or the normal state of a human ?
Do you consider being overweight genetic or because of calorie consumption ? This might be a stupid question ,but you be surprised on how many people actually believe that being obese is genetic and not due to them eating 5k calories per day :confused:

Do you believe that sleeping 5 hours , being stressed, mouth breathing ,not working out, sitting all day, having low test levels, eating bunch of empty calories, putting a strain on the body while giving it little real nutritional value is healthy ? if someone told you they do all these things, plus get drunk every weekend, how would you imagine them ?
Oh hi , I got digestive problems, my oxygen intake is shit, my body is bad at utilizing oxygen, yet I breath through my mouth, I am also super stressed, I fap everyday, my sleep consistency is fucked, I eat a bunch of sugar, junk food, I drink caffeine yet wonder why my sleep is bad, my thyroid is messed up, but I blame my bulging eyes on genetics, I eat 5k calories a day, genetics is to blame for my obesity. I am constantly tired, which is pretty obvious that is my genetics. My skin fucked, not due to my bad sleep etc , but ofc it is my bad genetics , I am norwooding due to my awful genetics, not because I am stressed...........................
 
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Indeed, average guy is not good looking at all in the west.
@AlexAP talked about high divorce rates and thats probably because of how unattractive men get in their 30s, most are balding, fat etc. Women divorce them because they arent attracted anymore, theyd rather cope with cats and stay single than stay with a subhuman.

Men fall into the just shave meme and stop preventing hair loss too often and forget that hair is 90% of aging. Even with bad collagen travolta is a Chad with good hair.
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What does it mean if a girl said I'm not ugly??? Idk it's kinda confusing if I'm not ugly then why would she not call me attractive.. or did she mean to say I'm average
 
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Only boomer and Gen Xers are like that in the US/Mexico.

Once u see the competition amongst zoomers and how naturally healthy we are... it seems like the blackpill going mainstream is inevitable, but we can do it in good terms.

Now u have to keep in mind most of us are truecels cause not only are we ugly (or were ugly), but we are also social defective. Combine bottom 30th percentile or lower face w/ bottom 30th mental state (maybe u have autism, low IQ, schizophrenia, asperger's, etc) or lower and u have a life w/ some struggles.

This guide won't benefit us because we know what not to do and what to fix. We know that u shouldn't be fat for example, or we know that we are below average at one thing and like to cope that because we are top 99th percentile at another that it should make up for it.
 
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Once u see the competition amongst zoomers and how naturally healthy we are... it seems like the blackpill going mainstream is inevitable, but we can do it in good terms.
I disagree with this ngl, I think zoomers are one of the unhealthiest generations ever especially for men cus of declining test levels in men, drinking being the norm at very young ages, same with smoking, lack of sun exposure etc. I guess by healthy you mean taller sure? but people are getting shittier and shittier frames as well at tall heights.

Ppl in my school look like they are in their 30s cus of alcohol abuse and smoking at a young age when they are 18.
 
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I disagree with this ngl, I think zoomers are one of the unhealthiest generations ever especially for men cus of declining test levels in men, drinking being the norm at very young ages, same with smoking, lack of sun exposure etc. I guess by healthy you mean taller sure? but people are getting shittier and shittier frames as well at tall heights.

Ppl in my school look like they are in their 30s cus of alcohol abuse and smoking at a young age when they are 18.
Naturally healthy, at least amongst the richer kids whom i've hung out w/. Good androgens, good gut health, yeah I guess acne is still prominent, but that's cause we eat whatever the fuck we want.

My muscle genes aren't that horrible for older standards, but by Gen Z standards they're bottom 10th percentile. I practically never see someone as skinny as me without good abs.

Are u a zoomer yourself? I'm talking more like post 9/11 zoomers, not late 90's zoomers. Senior year students and early college goers.

Also height, even amongst beaner and gook zoomers fully grown ones below 5'10" aren't that common. Seems like the sub-6ft rule might become universal soon.
 
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Only boomer and Gen Xers are like that in the US/Mexico.

Once u see the competition amongst zoomers and how naturally healthy we are... it seems like the blackpill going mainstream is inevitable, but we can do it in good terms.

Now u have to keep in mind most of us are truecels cause not only are we ugly (or were ugly), but we are also social defective. Combine bottom 30th percentile or lower face w/ bottom 30th mental state (maybe u have autism, low IQ, schizophrenia, asperger's, etc) or lower and u have a life w/ some struggles.

This guide won't benefit us because we know what not to do and what to fix. We know that u shouldn't be fat for example, or we know that we are below average at one thing and like to cope that because we are top 99th percentile at another that it should make up for it.
I agree, many of the things we do because we aren't getting anything in the first place, it becomes a downward spiral. If we don't get the girl we want at an early age, we start coping with bad habits which will only make it worse.
So in that sense we are disadvantaged, but wouldn't that be rather environmental than genetic ?
But I cannot help but wonder what would happen if we didn't fall to these copes, but rather kept going, if we would have enough to live a life of little struggle in dating. Since these bad habits can be formed at any stages, if during childhood, what if that person would be to ascend during puberty ? Would I be tall now if I fell to the bad habit of little sleep during my childhood years for example.
 
Naturally healthy, at least amongst the richer kids whom i've hung out w/. Good androgens, good gut health, yeah I guess acne is still prominent, but that's cause we eat whatever the fuck we want.

My muscle genes aren't that horrible for older standards, but by Gen Z standards they're bottom 10th percentile. I practically never see someone as skinny as me without good abs.

Are u a zoomer yourself? I'm talking more like post 9/11 zoomers, not late 90's zoomers. Senior year students and early college goers.

Also height, even amongst beaner and gook zoomers fully grown ones below 5'10" aren't that common. Seems like the sub-6ft rule might become universal soon.
I can see that, but ngl to you man even here with rich kids they are very fucking unhealthy in environment at least.

I don't see many zoomers with muscle actually like only 2 or 3 guys religiously workout and most of them barely have any mass because they eat like shit

Yes I'm a zoomer, post 9/11 zoomer.

Height is iffy, Indians and Arabs here are like 5'10-6', beaners and blacks are 5'5-5'7 still for some reason, whites depending where they come from, if its nords usually 5'11-6'2, if it's south euros (spaniards) 5'7-5'10 range. Gooks are like 5'4-5'7 I haven't seen a singular gook above 5'8 here.
 
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I agree, many of the things we do because we aren't getting anything in the first place, it becomes a downward spiral. If we don't get the girl we want at an early age, we start coping with bad habits which will only make it worse.
I've never had a serious crush on anyone.
So in that sense we are disadvantaged, but wouldn't that be rather environmental than genetic ?
But I cannot help but wonder what would happen if we didn't fall to these copes, but rather kept going, if we would have enough to live a life of little struggle in dating. Since these bad habits can be formed at any stages, if during childhood, what if that person would be to ascend during puberty ? Would I be tall now if I fell to the bad habit of little sleep during my childhood years for example.
If u are a turbomanlet chances are u have always been short so I doubt your enviroment would've made that much of a significant change.

U don't seem to understand that these people u see, OLDER people mostly get the halo out of it and can get away w/ being unfit slobs.

Younger people/zoomers don't get that.

Let me give u an example, the only reason Nordics and JBW are considered the peak of worldwide appeal is cause they have the most Chads.

Changs and Chadpreets are unicorns whereas every 1 in 10 Scandis is an Aryan Chad by other's standards, most likely just HTN in Sweden though.

Now u can go back to this saying that bad habits are normal amongst the average US male, which is in his mid-late 30's. They have less collagen than people in their 20's, so if u just got out of senior year and u are 18-20 years old, and u have any of the things u listed, then u are now much lower status than in comparison to what u would as an older person. Being skinnyfat renders u completely from the possibility of being above an 8/10 or higher.
 
I can see that, but ngl to you man even here with rich kids they are very fucking unhealthy in environment at least.
It doesn't affect them after middle school, unless your puberty was really early or delayed.
I don't see many zoomers with muscle actually like only 2 or 3 guys religiously workout and most of them barely have any mass because they eat like shit
And yet they still have visible muscles instead of being a squishy cutecel like me, if u are talking about niggers and actual whites at least.
Yes I'm a zoomer, post 9/11 zoomer.
What country? Rich private school like the ones i've been to?
Height is iffy, Indians and Arabs here are like 5'10-6', beaners and blacks are 5'5-5'7 still for some reason, whites depending where they come from, if its nords usually 5'11-6'2. Gooks are like 5'4-5'7 I haven't seen a singular gook above 5'8 here.
Most white incels are incel cause of their height. I've seen this a million times.

The chances of seeing a full grown Filipino manlet zoomer are more than twice as common as u coming across a full grown blond white manlet zoomer, so minorities don't get as much of a failo out of being manlets, but they also don't get as much of a particular halo out of height if they're tall since it isn't expected of them.

If u are white (Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Nordic, German) and below 5'11" barefoot then I am very sorry for u.
 
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It doesn't affect them after middle school, unless your puberty was really early or delayed.
I guess

And yet they still have visible muscles instead of being a squishy cutecel like me, if u are talking about niggers and actual whites at least.
Visible muscles =\= good muscular development and growth, just indicates them being skinny as fuck and you can see their basic insertions thats what I see at least, they have visible abs but they are extremely thin, lack of frame as well, narrow ribcages, narrow shoulders.

What country? Rich private school like the ones i've been to?
Panama beaner country, high class whitewashed area and yes private school. Average height here is probably 5'7 cus of the beaners.

The chances of seeing a full grown Filipino manlet zoomer are more than twice as common as u coming across a full grown blond white manlet zoomer, so minorities don't get as much of a failo out of being manlets, but they also don't get as much of a particular halo out of height if they're tall since it isn't expected of them.

If u are white (Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Nordic, German) and below 5'11" barefoot then I am very sorry for u.
I can see it, I'm 5'10 final height is likely gonna be 5'11 or 6'. Gooks are by far the shortest here, beaners usually range in that 5'7 range, curries and arabs are surprisingly of decent height nothing like nords or anything, and spaniards are short but taller than beaners and gooks.
 
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I've never had a serious crush on anyone.

If u are a turbomanlet chances are u have always been short so I doubt your enviroment would've made that much of a significant change.

U don't seem to understand that these people u see, OLDER people mostly get the halo out of it and can get away w/ being unfit slobs.

Younger people/zoomers don't get that.

Let me give u an example, the only reason Nordics and JBW are considered the peak of worldwide appeal is cause they have the most Chads.

Changs and Chadpreets are unicorns whereas every 1 in 10 Scandis is an Aryan Chad by other's standards, most likely just HTN in Sweden though.

Now u can go back to this saying that bad habits are normal amongst the average US male, which is in his mid-late 30's. They have less collagen than people in their 20's, so if u just got out of senior year and u are 18-20 years old, and u have any of the things u listed, then u are now much lower status than in comparison to what u would as an older person. Being skinnyfat renders u completely from the possibility of being above an 8/10 or higher.
I am Nordic, so I can relate to your post, but the thing about Scandinavia, won't go to deep, just to give some insight, Status > Looks here, not celebrity status, but being apart of the right social circle, if you don't drink in Norway, even if you are attractive, you might be dismissed because you are looked at as an outsider.
But the most success I had with women is when I am muscular, being skinny fat is a no no. It is better for me to be 16 % bf with muscles than being 14 % percent but little muscle for example.
EDIT: Skinny fat does not work for me in dating, being too skinny aswell, but better than skinnyfat, being muscular is better than skinny, but the optimal is built with medium bf. Not sacrificing my face for muscles, but not sacrificing muscles to look too low bf
 
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Visible muscles =\= good development, just indicates them being skinny as fuck and you can see their basic insertions thats what I see at least, they have visible abs but they are extremely thin, lack of frame as well, narrow ribcages, narrow shoulders.
I'm skinny as fuck now and u can't see my muscles well. I have the same build I had when I was 13, just w/ more angularity.

Now if u are normal weight and muscular w/ good frame then u get a halo regardless of your age. I don't really have good abs, and i'm hairless.
Panama beaner country, high class whitewashed area and yes private school.
Nice, by beaners i'm not just talking about dark skinned mestizos. I'm talking about castizos and harnizos too.

Usually the whiter u are the taller u are, due to good Euro Hunter Gatherer genes. Average looking white manlets are incels by default.

I'm castizo and have A10 eyes. I'm white enough to get all the failos whites get but none of the benefits. I'd be at a gas chamber rn if it was WW2.
I can see it, I'm 5'10 final height is likely gonna be 5'11. Gooks are by far the shortest here, beaners usually range in that 5'7 range, curries and arabs are surprisingly tall nothing like nords or anything, and spaniards are short but taller than beaners and gooks.
Yes but what are u? White? Then u being sub-5'11" for now might be making u more unattractive.

If u are SEAsian it's normal for u to be a manlet so nobody cares, all the Filipino kids at my previous school were turbomidgets and nobody cared, meanwhile any light haired pale guy below the teacher's height was clearly disavantaged.
 
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I am Nordic, so I can relate to your post, but the thing about Scandinavia, won't go to deep, just to give some insight, Status > Looks here, not celebrity status, but being apart of the right social circle, if you don't drink in Norway, even if you are attractive, you might be dismissed because you are looked at as an outsider.
But the most success I had with women is when I am muscular, being skinny fat is a no no. It is better for me to be 16 % bf with muscles than being 14 % percent but little muscle for example.
EDIT: Skinny fat does not work for me in dating, being too skinny aswell, but better than skinnyfat, being muscular is better than skinny, but the optimal is built with medium bf. Not sacrificing my face for muscles, but not sacrificing muscles to look too low bf
Blond haired whites tend to all look the same on average compared to dark haired whites.

If u are outsider in a cold country (more introverted) then there's clearly some blackpill effect going on there and u gotta be aware of it. Ofc nobody likes a skinnyfat person over a muscular person just based on that alone. This is logical, especially amongst Europe.

How different are Scandi zoomers over Scandi boomers/Gen Xers in your country? Here in Mexico I could tell u a million differences.
 
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I'm skinny as fuck now and u can't see my muscles well. I have the same build I had when I was 13, just w/ more angularity.

Now if u are normal weight and muscular w/ good frame then u get a halo regardless of your age. I don't really have good abs, and i'm hairless.
Ye, gymmaxxing should be done asap ngl once it reopens i'm back to it. Very good halo as I have a wide frame.

Nice, by beaners i'm not just talking about dark skinned mestizos. I'm talking about castizos and harnizos too.

Usually the whiter u are the taller u are, due to good Euro Hunter Gatherer genes. Average looking white manlets are incels by default.

I'm castizo and have A10 eyes. I'm white enough to get all the failos whites get but none of the benefits. I'd be at a gas chamber rn if it was WW2.
Ye i included castizos and harnizos. They are manlets as well for some reason which is odd to me, mestizos tend to be on the shorter end and castizos are like 5'7-5'8. Harnizos in the middle at 5'6-5'7
Yes but what are u? White? Then u being sub-5'11" for now might be making u more unattractive.

If u are SEAsian it's normal for u to be a manlet so nobody cares, all the Filipino kids at my previous school were turbomidgets and nobody cared, meanwhile any light haired pale guy below the teacher's height was clearly disavantaged.
Not white, but it does halo me IRL cus im considerably taller than most men here even at 5'10 barefoot, let alone when I wear shoes where I get to 5'11+ and mog most of this country :lul:

I can see it, the ethnics have less expectations to be taller so they don't have an insane hype to be tall, if ur white you have the default expectation to be 5'11 and it ends up hurting the people that are short and white.
 
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Ye, gymmaxxing should be done asap ngl once it reopens i'm back to it. Very good halo as I have a wide frame.
Good luck Chad.
Ye i included castizos and harnizos. They are manlets as well for some reason which is odd to me, mestizos tend to be on the shorter end and castizos are like 5'7-5'8. Harnizos in the middle at 5'6-5'7
I have a white skull but ethnic lower third. Idk how common that is for castizos in Panama. My mom is more of a lesser castiza, pale skinned maybe harniza, idk for sure, and my dad is Spaniard/Scottish/German criollo.
Not white, but it does halo me IRL cus im considerably taller than most men here even at 5'10 barefoot, let alone when I wear shoes where I get to 5'11 and mog most of this country :lul:

I can see it, the ethnics have less expectations to be taller so they don't have an insane hype to be tall, if ur white you have the default expectation to be 5'11 and it ends up hurting the people that are short and white.
Indeed, now connecting this to what OP is saying, which is really more about weight than height but idc because elderly people tend to be shorter and more hunched over, is that u can't really get away w/ being as much of a slob as a younger person.

A mid-30s person can get away w/ a belly, whereas i'm sure that having anything more than a tummy after high school must be an SMV killer.
 
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I have a white skull but ethnic lower third. Idk how common that is for castizos in Panama. My mom is more of a lesser castiza, pale skinned maybe harniza, idk for sure, and my dad is Spaniard/Scottish/German criollo.
Couldn't tell you as I haven't observed much of their families. I base it off castizos being the lighter, mestizos being the darkest, and harnizos being somewhere in the middle or even somewhat mixed with castizos.

Good luck Chad.
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Indeed, now connecting this to what OP is saying, which is really more about weight than height but idc because elderly people tend to be shorter and more hunched over, is that u can't really get away w/ being as much of a slob as a younger person.
A mid-30s person can get away w/ a belly, whereas i'm sure that having anything more than a tummy after high school must be an SMV killer.
I think it doesn't help either that the newer generation is too fucked by social media expectations, people expect you to have a Jeff Seid body in 3 months of ab crunches and pushups. Girls have no idea what goes into a natural physique, they just see big muscles on instagram and think that's what the gym does. Let alone how much genetics impact your potential.
 
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I think it doesn't help either that the newer generation is too fucked by social media expectations, people expect you to have a Jeff Seid body in 3 months of ab crunches and pushups. Girls have no idea what goes into a natural physique, they just see big muscles on instagram and think that's what the gym does. Let alone how much genetics impact your potential.
Yes but Jeff's body is top tier. I'm saying that if u have below average muscle genes/frame like me u are never gonna be seen as robust even if u are actually stronger than u look.

Girls don't really have standards for physique as high for them between both high school and i'm guessing later adult life too, but yeah, if u can get ripped in your early 20s then go for it.
 
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Yes but Jeff's body is top tier. I'm saying that if u have below average muscle genes/frame like me u are never gonna be seen as robust even if u are actually stronger than u look.

Girls don't really have standards for physique as high for them between both high school and i'm guessing later adult life too, but yeah, if u can get ripped in your early 20s then go for it.
Jeff Seid is also roided to shit, like most Hollywood actors. Roided gorillas are becoming the norm is what I mean, most people should never roid as you'd shut down natural hormone production and have to get synthetic shit all your life.
I have seen pics of u and i guess yes but even with a wide frame it doesn't help that if you do natty bodybuilding with the retarded impression people have of the gym, building muscle takes a long time and it's at least a year of constant gym to see results.

Indeed, they like the pretty boys, early 20's is when they shift to the masculine dimorphic guys.
 
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Jeff Seid is also roided to shit, like most Hollywood actors. Roided gorillas are becoming the norm is what I mean, most people should never roid as you'd shut down natural hormone production and have to get synthetic shit all your life.
I have seen pics of u and i guess yes but even with a wide frame it doesn't help that if you do natty bodybuilding with the retarded impression people have of the gym, building muscle takes a long time and it's at least a year of constant gym to see results.
Blackpilledagainchungus

Indeed, they like the pretty boys, early 20's is when they shift to the masculine dimorphic guys.
Passing FTM - Girly - Prettyboy - Maesthetic - Masc - DOM - Neanderthal tier.

Most Latino and white normies are usually maesthetic, maybe masc but bloated. If u are below prettyboy u are never gonna have that shift in dimorphism, u are always gonna be weak looking. I'm girly facially which means I gotta take advantage of my youthful genes and keep great collagen, though maybe I could reach prettyboy now that I got better bones later on.
 
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Disagreed. A great jawline is not the normal state of the human anatomy. Genetically gifted people have sharp defined jaw bones. Bones and height= genetic.
 
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Disagreed. A great jawline is not the normal state of the human anatomy. Genetically gifted people have sharp defined jaw bones. Bones and height= genetic.
Environment also plays a role, its not all genetics. My twin brother is 6'0 and I'm 5'10. I had the potential to be at his height or an inch taller if I slept and ate properly.
 
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Environment also plays a role, its not all genetics. My twin brother is 6'0 and I'm 5'10. I had the potential to be at his height or an inch taller if I slept and ate properly.
Yeah but your maximum potential is coded in your genetics
 
Only boomer and Gen Xers are like that in the US/Mexico.

Once u see the competition amongst zoomers and how naturally healthy we are... it seems like the blackpill going mainstream is inevitable, but we can do it in good terms.

Now u have to keep in mind most of us are truecels cause not only are we ugly (or were ugly), but we are also social defective. Combine bottom 30th percentile or lower face w/ bottom 30th mental state (maybe u have autism, low IQ, schizophrenia, asperger's, etc) or lower and u have a life w/ some struggles.

This guide won't benefit us because we know what not to do and what to fix. We know that u shouldn't be fat for example, or we know that we are below average at one thing and like to cope that because we are top 99th percentile at another that it should make up for it.
Utter garbage.

Most people I know have a terrible diet, minimal exercise, drink lots of alcohol and smoke weed (its over for them JFL). Our generation is disgusting and it's further worsened by stupid political movements like health in every size. In S Korea they bully fat people, in the West we cherish it nowadays. :feelswah:
 
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Utter garbage.

Most people I know have a terrible diet, minimal exercise, drink lots of alcohol and smoke weed (its over for them JFL). Our generation is disgusting and it's further worsened by stupid political movements like health in every size. In S Korea they bully fat people, in the West we cherish it nowadays. :feelswah:
What jungle in Africa do u live in.
 
If you are one of those who think that the main difference between you and a chadlite or even chad is genetics. Take some of these into consideration.
Just because the average person is overweight, does not make it normal. It is normal to society, but not normal as in the normal state that our bodies are supposed to be in.
This is the average person in the US, How many do you fit ? :
- Overweight
- Low T levels
- Stomach / digestive issues
- Mouth breather ( not average but common, and majority of people do something in between mouth breathing and nasal breathing)
- Stressed, over stimulated, psychological issues
- lack of sleep
- high sugar intake
- high caffeine intake
- drugs / alcohol problems
- Vitamin or mineral deficiency

In before "Chad does all those things yet he has a jawline, hunter eyes, low bf etc" .
Some people are less affected than others, but this does not mean that your genetics is unattractive. If you believe that a jawline is attractive, do you consider it genetic or the normal state of a human ?
Do you consider being overweight genetic or because of calorie consumption ? This might be a stupid question ,but you be surprised on how many people actually believe that being obese is genetic and not due to them eating 5k calories per day :confused:

Do you believe that sleeping 5 hours , being stressed, mouth breathing ,not working out, sitting all day, having low test levels, eating bunch of empty calories, putting a strain on the body while giving it little real nutritional value is healthy ? if someone told you they do all these things, plus get drunk every weekend, how would you imagine them ?
Oh hi , I got digestive problems, my oxygen intake is shit, my body is bad at utilizing oxygen, yet I breath through my mouth, I am also super stressed, I fap everyday, my sleep consistency is fucked, I eat a bunch of sugar, junk food, I drink caffeine yet wonder why my sleep is bad, my thyroid is messed up, but I blame my bulging eyes on genetics, I eat 5k calories a day, genetics is to blame for my obesity. I am constantly tired, which is pretty obvious that is my genetics. My skin fucked, not due to my bad sleep etc , but ofc it is my bad genetics , I am norwooding due to my awful genetics, not because I am stressed...........................
dn rd but yes
 

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