Average philtrum vs short philtrum on men, which looks better?

[MaxillaIsEverything]

I don't have measurements on this guy but this looks about 15mm long to me so about average.

Now O Pry for comparison whose philtrum we know to be 12mm long. Definitely short for a guy.
On this site I see most people claiming shorter is always better and your philtrum should ideally be 11-13 mm long. While too long is definitely very bad O Pry’s philtrum is just too feminine in my opinion. It would be perfect for women but looking at these 2 pictures side by side the first guy's slightly longer philtrum just looks better to me.

Now the one insanely big advantage guys with short philtrums have though is that because their philtrums are naturally short there will be a lot less drooping with age and their philtrums may still be in the attractive 15mm range in their 50s where guys starting out with 15mm philtrums will have hideous 18+ mm by then. If your upper lip is naturally full this will be even worse. you could go from 15 to legit 20+ mm when you are 50-60 years old. That being said if we are talking about prime aesthetics I think an average philtrum is better. Most psl gods have philtrums in the 14-16mm range but this forum worships 12mm outliers for some reason.

 

[maxlooks]

longer philtrum is associated with aging/ old man

 

[Deleted member 2012]

longer philtrum is associated with aging/ old man

Exactly, your philtrum increases in size as you age. Besides, a shorter philtrum = a better chin to philtrum ratio

 

[MaxillaIsEverything]

A guy’s philtrum is on average 2 mm longer than a girl’s. O Pry’s philtrum is the ideal for women. And no attractive women do not have even shorter philtrums below 10mm jfl. This almost certainly requires a disgusting droopy nose tip.

 

[Deleted member 3492]

philtrum and midface = most dimorphic traits

 

[Deleted member 8941]

The first guy philtrum is certainly longer than 15mm, Chico has a 15mm philtrum and it definitely looks shorter than that.

I would say average/slightly above average philtrum length is better since it would result in a taller lower third, you just need a proportional chin and nose so that your philtrum to chin ratio and your midface ratio are not fucked.

https://looksmax.org/threads/philtrum-length-and-midface-ratio.125691/

 

[Chadelite]

Shorter means more compact. Midace

 

[Baldingman1998]

 

[lifestyle21873]

who cares about philtrum just grow facial hair