Balkans are simply Turks who self-identify as European white. ( Change my Mind)

[Deleted member 2527]

Their DNA is highly influenced by Ottomans. This is quite obvious visually.

They are far close to Turks than Germanic or Western European.

Yet Balkans see themselves as white Europeans and geographically they are, however genetically they are not.

 

[Deleted member 756]

They mixed with the Turks for sure but they’re European still

 

[Deleted member 7125]

They mixed with the Turks for sure but they’re European still

"European, "Asian", "African" are very loose definitions anyway, so it does not matter

 

[Deleted member 4464]

this is bullshit, there was a dna research and there isnt any ottoman dna in bulgarians, in the past women who got raped by the ottomans either killed themselves, forcefully aborted the kid or drank some shit to lose it, it was considered a big embarassment to give birth to an ottoman bastard actually only 2.9% of the population has the same dna as turks but its in the most southern parts of the country

 

[TeraCope54]

Bullshit, most balkaners don't have turkic dna. Reminder this the average balkaner.

 

[Deleted member 2527]

Bullshit, most balkaners don't have turkic dna. Reminder this the average balkaner.
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I have been to both Bulgaria and Romania.

The local people do not look like this at all.

 

[Deleted member 685]

Over for the balkan joke known as @TsarTsar444

 

[TsarTsar444]

I have been to both Bulgaria and Romania.

The local people do not look like this at all.

25% of bulgaria is romani or turkish, thats one of the reasons. Also Bulgarians and Greeks are rhe darkest Euros cause of their proximity to the middle east. It has nothing to do with turks. Also Turks never settled farther then Eastern Serbia or North Macedonia in the Balkans so Albanians, Serbs, Croats or Bosnias are 0% turk

 

[Deleted member 2968]

Over for the balkan joke known as @TsarTsar444

Keep crying for His Tsar titula

 

[Deleted member 2527]

25% of bulgaria is romani or turkish, thats one of the reasons. Also Bulgarians and Greeks are rhe darkest Euros cause of their proximity to the middle east. It has nothing to do with turks. Also Turks never settled farther then Eastern Serbia or North Macedonia in the Balkans so Albanians, Serbs, Croats or Bosnias are 0% turk

“Darkest because of their proximity to the Middle East”

Yes the Middle East, as in Turkey bro.

Stop coping. The Ottomans ruled Eastern Europe for centuries. That’s more than enough time to massively impact a gene pool.

 

[Deleted member 756]

25% of bulgaria is romani or turkish, thats one of the reasons. Also Bulgarians and Greeks are rhe darkest Euros cause of their proximity to the middle east. It has nothing to do with turks. Also Turks never settled farther then Eastern Serbia or North Macedonia in the Balkans so Albanians, Serbs, Croats or Bosnias are 0% turk

Would you say it’s the other way around? Lots of Turks are descended from Slavs and Albanians due to conversion and moving to turkey after the fall of the ottomans?

 

[TsarTsar444]

Would you say it’s the other way around? Lots of Turks are descended from Slavs and Albanians due to conversion and moving to turkey after the fall of the ottomans?

Yes, around 25% of turkeys population are descendants from muslims from the balkans fleeing the conflicts and genocides, the Balkans was 40% muslim at one point, like Belgrade was once majority muslim

 

[JustBeCurryBrah]

Cope

 

[Deleted member 8461]

Who tf cares about the specific ethnicities of European regions. This nationalism race bullshit is pure cope to raise your self esteem.
"well I must have value, look at what my people built". You can't take credit for what your ancestors did you absolute rotting waste of space. You've contributed jack shit to the world or even your own country

The only thing that matters is what you look like as an individual

Jesus fucking christ imagine telling someone irl that you spend your time online debating which European/Asian/African/whatever ancestry is superior.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Yes, around 25% of turkeys population are descendants from muslims from the balkans fleeing the conflicts and genocides, the Balkans was 40% muslim at one point, like Belgrade was once majority muslim

Indeed, plus as fair amount of Turks are descended from Greeks an Armenians and Kurds who converted to Islam and became Turkicised. The Janissaries are a good example of this- non Muslim boys from the Balkans who were taken to turkey to become Muslim.

How Turkic are Turkish people? I mean Oghuz and central Asian

 

[TsarTsar444]

“Darkest because of their proximity to the Middle East”

Yes the Middle East, as in Turkey bro.

Stop coping. The Ottomans ruled Eastern Europe for centuries. That’s more than enough time to massively impact a gene pool.

As i said, i live here and studied history mostly about the Ottoman rule here, cba to explain everything, but native Anatolias only settled in Bulgaria, northern greece and Macedonia, there were almost no Turks in the western balkans. And the turks in Bulgaria never mixed with the natives, there were already dna studies done by swiss labs, and there are 0% turkish dna in the population. This was because according to Islam if you pay the tax for non muslims you have your freedom and rape and things like that would be punished by death

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Would you say it’s the other way around? Lots of Turks are descended from Slavs and Albanians due to conversion and moving to turkey after the fall of the ottomans?

Yes
Turks are the brazil of the ancient world
A turk could look like anything

 

[TsarTsar444]

Indeed, plus as fair amount of Turks are descended from Greeks an Armenians and Kurds who converted to Islam and became Turkicised. The Janissaries are a good example of this- non Muslim boys from the Balkans who were taken to turkey to become Muslim.

How Turkic are Turkish people? I mean Oghuz and central Asian

Turks are on average 35% turkic, but that 35% isn't actually asian, it's complicated. The Oghuz turks themselves were around 40% east asian while 60% caucasians. So modern turks are like 15% chinks on average

 

[Deleted member 756]

Turks are on average 35% turkic, but that 35% isn't actually asian, it's complicated. The Oghuz turks themselves were around 40% east asian while 60% caucasians. So modern turks are like 15% chinks on average

I’ve read some studies that show they’re even less than 15 percent
The purest “Turks” are Tuvans from Russia and they look nothing like Anatolian Turks

I’ve read ohhuz Turks were mainly Iranic yeah with some Mongolian ancestry

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

i say cope for the most part

 

[Deleted member 756]

Yes
Turks are the brazil of the ancient world
A turk could look like anything

Indeed, but most Turks look stereotypically Middle Eastern tbh
Dark features

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Well they obviously look different than western whites. To me only fully nordic looking guys can claim whites with some celts. I mean in the way strom coper here are acting as if beeing white was the best thing in the world.
It's funny because it's always """"whites"""" that are strom copers. ie meds copers, or whatever somehow ethnic looking non nordic guys.
Op, you look ethnic too compared to the average scandinavian that has full nordic coloring, sorry to break it to you.
But that's not a big deal, embrace yourself.

 

[nastynas]

well there is definitely have been some admixture but not to the extent you are claiming,even then the most admixture that could happen is with maybe bosnia since islam is a big factor even today, as for other slavic countries it is simply not true, for example current bulgarians who are tuna bulgars are proven to be escendants from old bulgarians with very little to none turkish admixture, but there are volga bulgars which had a big turkish admixture and actually is turkic.

and i never heard eastern europeans claim to be western whites or something, literally they all claim to be slavs.

 

[TsarTsar444]

well there is definitely have been some admixture but not to the extent you are claiming,even then the most admixture that could happen is with maybe bosnia since islam is a big factor even today, as for other slavic countries it is simply not true, for example current bulgarians who are tuna bulgars are proven to be escendants from old bulgarians with very little to none turkish admixture, but there are volga bulgars which had a big turkish admixture and actually is turkic.

and i never heard eastern europeans claim to be western whites or something, literally they all claim to be slavs.

Bosnians have zero turk dna in them, Turks never settled that far in the Balkans, they settled in North Macedonia at most to the west

 

[Deleted member 2527]

Well they obviously look different than western whites. To me only fully nordic looking guys can claim whites with some celts. I mean in the way strom coper here are acting as if beeing white was the best thing in the world.
It's funny because it's always """"whites"""" that are strom copers. ie meds copers, or whatever somehow ethnic looking non nordic guys.
Op, you look ethnic too compared to the average scandinavian that has full nordic coloring, sorry to break it to you.
But that's not a big deal, embrace yourself.

I don’t believe you need to have Nordic colouring to be white. There are Swedish people with jet black hair. This is the Swedish royal family:



They are people with dark features who look 100% white (eg Gandy)

However there are Balkan people who have the same colouring as Gandy but you can tell they are not white just from their facial features.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I don’t believe you need to have Nordic colouring to be white. There are Swedish people with jet black hair. This is the Swedish royal family:



They are people with dark features who look 100% white (eg Gandy)

However there are Balkan people who have the same colouring as Gandy but you can tell they are not white just from their facial features.

I guess you'r right but the pic you showed, most look inbred. They don't have ideal white features at all, in fact i know a decent amount of "ethnics" with similar features and coloring. That's why i'm beeing this harsh on what i consider white or not.
Especially since i live in a country that has in the same amount celts individuals and meds, and that most would definitively look ethnic to you, despite it beeing one of the most famous western country. And to me too, i don't see much differences in them than in ethnics individuals - obviously i dont mean here indians or chinese.

 

[Deleted member 756]

I don’t believe you need to have Nordic colouring to be white. There are Swedish people with jet black hair. This is the Swedish royal family:



They are people with dark features who look 100% white (eg Gandy)

However there are Balkan people who have the same colouring as Gandy but you can tell they are not white just from their facial features.

The Swedish royal family is part Brazilian
@lutte

 

[Deleted member 2527]

I guess you'r right but the pic you showed, most look inbred. They don't have ideal white features at all, in fact i know a decent amount of "ethnics" with similar features and coloring. That's why i'm beeing this harsh on what i consider white or not.
Especially since i live in a country that has in the same amount celts individuals and meds, and that most would definitively look ethnic to you, despite it beeing one of the most famous western country. And to me too, i don't see much differences in them than in ethnics individuals - obviously i dont mean here indians or chinese.

Looking ethnic or not has very little to do with colouring actually it’s a common misconception. It’s about facial structure more than anything else. Here is an albino African who technically has Nordic colouring. Does he pass as Swedish?

 

[TsarTsar444]

I don’t believe you need to have Nordic colouring to be white. There are Swedish people with jet black hair. This is the Swedish royal family:



They are people with dark features who look 100% white (eg Gandy)

However there are Balkan people who have the same colouring as Gandy but you can tell they are not white just from their facial features.

Already explained it to you. Why are you so low iq? White race doesn't exist in science, the more south you go, the darker people are. It has nothing to do with turks

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

well to clear up some confusion here is a map

that doesn't mean much however since after wars the turks returned back to turkey (atleast that's what happened with greece)

balkaners are less white for other reasons. they have more e1b1b1 and j2 admixture (from ancient migrations) compared to western europe.

 

[Blackgymmax]

Yall just white to me

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Looking ethnic or not has very little to do with colouring actually it’s a common misconception. It’s about facial structure more than anything else. Here is an albino African who technically has Nordic colouring. Does he pass as Swedish?

Not at all.
Do you consider this phenotype as white?

This is the most common here, and such pheno is in the west for hundreds of years, yet to me don't look much different than some ethnics phenotypes.

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

Oh boy yet another “is (x) group really white or are they actually shitskin coping deathnics?!?!” thread

 

[lutte]

The Swedish royal family is part Brazilian
@lutte

I guess you'r right but the pic you showed, most look inbred. They don't have ideal white features at all, in fact i know a decent amount of "ethnics" with similar features and coloring. That's why i'm beeing this harsh on what i consider white or not.
Especially since i live in a country that has in the same amount celts individuals and meds, and that most would definitively look ethnic to you, despite it beeing one of the most famous western country. And to me too, i don't see much differences in them than in ethnics individuals - obviously i dont mean here indians or chinese.

I don’t believe you need to have Nordic colouring to be white. There are Swedish people with jet black hair. This is the Swedish royal family:



They are people with dark features who look 100% white (eg Gandy)

However there are Balkan people who have the same colouring as Gandy but you can tell they are not white just from their facial features.

the three ones to the right who are the children of the king have no swedish blood at all iirc

 

[Deleted member 756]

the three ones to the right who are the children of the king have no swedish blood at all iirc

Aren’t they French, Brazilian, German and danish?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

the three ones to the right who are the children of the king have no swedish blood at all iirc

tbh i'm fucked by psl somehow, to me they look ethnic no matter their coloring because they don't have the good soft features of people of their pheno, ie looks inbred. Especially the blond girl in blue cloth.

 

[Deleted member 2527]

Not at all.
Do you consider this phenotype as white?
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This is the most common here, and such pheno is in the west for hundreds of years, yet to me don't look much different than some ethnics phenotypes.

This guy is not white to me

 

[Deleted member 3043]

This guy is not white to me

he is as french as it gets, identitarian, and considers only white european to be able to live in the west, and obviously considers himself as one.
Yet to me neither, he doesn't look "white" to my understanding.

 

[Deleted member 2527]

Already explained it to you. Why are you so low iq? White race doesn't exist in science, the more south you go, the darker people are. It has nothing to do with turks

White race absolutely exists scientifically.

It is widely accepted that anyone of British, Irish, Northern French, Dutch, Belgian, German and Scandinavian descent is white.

Slavs, Spanish and Italian and Swiss are iffy.

There are certain medical conditions which affect certain races of people differently.

There is an issue of classification of certain groups of people who identify as white (such as Balkans) but who carry much DNA from other groups (eg turk and Middle Eastern).

 

[Deleted member 756]

he is as french as it gets, identitarian, and considers only white european to be able to live in the west, and obviously considers himself as one.
Yet to me neither, he doesn't look "white" to my understanding.

A lot of Nazis and racists tend to look “exotic and ethnic”

 

[Deleted member 3043]

A lot of Nazis and racists tend to look “exotic and ethnic”

that's my point partly, that usually the less "nordic" you look, the more insecure you tend to be to differentiate yourself from "ethnics". While it's just a cucked low IQ behaviour.
See how nordic chads never talk about racial identity on average?

 

[Deleted member 2527]

that's my point partly, that usually the less "nordic" you look, the more insecure you tend to me to differentiate yourself from "ethnics". While it's just a cucked low IQ behaviour.
See how nordic chads never talk about racial identity on average?

Strong point.

Didn’t Hitler have brown eyes and brown hair.

 

[lutte]

Aren’t they French, Brazilian, German and danish?

danish dunno, mainly british and german aristocratic heritage (originally french dynasty) iirc and brazilian-german mom

tbh i'm fucked by psl somehow, to me they look ethnic no matter their coloring because they don't have the good soft features of people of their pheno, ie looks inbred. Especially the blond girl in blue cloth.

are you saying the guy is ugly or what?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Strong point.

Didn’t Hitler have brown eyes and brown hair.

he does. In fact was funny to notice that there were in germany "ethnics" guys - as in ethnicity, non germans or nordics - that were whiter looking than him, in his time.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

are you saying the guy is ugly or what?

which? the guy in the sweden pic is gl. the girls, the blond ones are abomination.

 

[Deleted member 756]

that's my point partly, that usually the less "nordic" you look, the more insecure you tend to be to differentiate yourself from "ethnics". While it's just a cucked low IQ behaviour.
See how nordic chads never talk about racial identity on average?

Indeed this guy in Italy was deputy prime minister and very racist
Yet he looks like an Arab or Indian

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Indeed this guy in Italy was deputy prime minister and very racist
Yet he looks like an Arab or Indian
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legit look more arab than most arab.

 

[lutte]

Indeed this guy in Italy was deputy prime minister and very racist
Yet he looks like an Arab or Indian
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[Deleted member 756]

legit look more arab than most arab.

He’s legit the most exotic Italian I’ve ever seen

 

[Deleted member 756]

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Notice how they’re beard frauding/not chad