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I agree age pill is brutal and getting hardmaxxed asap is good, but there is such a thing as TOO soon as well in terms of complications and the fact that bones may not have fully developed...
Long story short, condylar resorption is when, after you advance the mandible with BSSO, your bones in that region are broken down & their minerals (like calcium) are released into the bloodstream, and the bone tissue starts to dissolve (this is not good). Look at the first attached image, the bad aesthetic effect of resorption is that the gonial angle becomes more obtuse and unideal alongside the fact that the ramus reduces in length, which is also something you typically do not want unless u have a long ass ramus but yeah still you wanna avoid this shit in most cases regardless. In a study of a sample size of 200 (n=200), there was approximately a 10% risk of resorption, and the average resorption was around 17% mass loss in the condylar, which is REALLY not good, bro. Losing almost 20% bone mass/density is not good in any case. Interestingly, the median age for the group that actually experienced resorption was 17 years old, while the median age for the group that did not experience resorption was 20. Check second attached image. Btw, data was positively skewed so focused on median as a more accurate measure of central tendency over the mean.
"I am waiting for bones to develop, bro, then I will hardmaxx" is actually not coping/delaying, ironically.
Although some mfers still say this line, and they're like 23, at which point just say ur pussy/broke bro lmfao. Also, facial bones in the maxilla and mandible do develop, but only slightly after 20, check the third attached image.
Here is the source for the first and second image btw: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-81148-w
*Also, the main reason for resorption (as correlation does not equal causation) was actually the amount of mandible advancement someone got, as the hyperlinked source above concluded in their multivariable analysis. This means the more mandibular advancement you get, the higher your risk of bone resorption (again, really not good). Other factors which increased the likelihood of resorption were the amount of ccw rotation you get and upward movement of the bones overall you were trying to achieve, aka more ccw rotation to perfect your gonial angle = more risk of resorption in layman's terms.
"Oh no bro I need aggressive advancements to perfect side profile harmony, please help."
There is a solution. Get good mandibular advancement alongside a good ccw rotation, just nothing CRAZY. Then, for any EXTRA projection needed and for a sharper + smaller gonial angle + more upwardly projected chin in order to therefore PERFECT YOUR SIDE PROFILE HARMONY, get wrap-around jaw implants (jaw angle implants + chin implants) after the reasonable Trimax. AGAIN, IF YOU GO TO A GREAT ITALIAN SURGEON, ALL OF THIS WILL BE EXPLAINED.
ik you and I are looking for movements which will be optimal for the side and perfect our side profiles, so we need to take into account what our surgeons say for this reason as well. Again, we can get slightly bigger implants on top of less aggressive movements if it comes to it in order to perfect the projection side profile-wise and also of course the upward height/projection of the chin with chin implants and the sharper gonial angle with jaw angle implants, so yeah.
“Many GOOD/REPUTABLE surgeons dont listen to my 10 CM Advancement needs” - average recessed blackpilled sub3 incel or sub5 foid on the org. Yeah well they got valid reasons, they are medical professionals with decades of experience, research, stats and knowledge…. How ignorant does one have to be to think they know better. In that case, those people should just operate on themselves lmfao, the retard who went to Sunil is a prime example of this.
Additionally, I would suggest waiting until approximately 21-22 before taking Trimax as another measure of avoiding resorption. Mayo Clinic says 18-21 is ideal for males to trimax, but I would personally say 21-23 imo is a better range for trimax based on this dataset. WAIT UNTIL YOUR FACIAL BONE GROWTH IS COMPLETE VIA GETTING X-RAYS/CT SCANS on your SKULL as well.
Long story short, condylar resorption is when, after you advance the mandible with BSSO, your bones in that region are broken down & their minerals (like calcium) are released into the bloodstream, and the bone tissue starts to dissolve (this is not good). Look at the first attached image, the bad aesthetic effect of resorption is that the gonial angle becomes more obtuse and unideal alongside the fact that the ramus reduces in length, which is also something you typically do not want unless u have a long ass ramus but yeah still you wanna avoid this shit in most cases regardless. In a study of a sample size of 200 (n=200), there was approximately a 10% risk of resorption, and the average resorption was around 17% mass loss in the condylar, which is REALLY not good, bro. Losing almost 20% bone mass/density is not good in any case. Interestingly, the median age for the group that actually experienced resorption was 17 years old, while the median age for the group that did not experience resorption was 20. Check second attached image. Btw, data was positively skewed so focused on median as a more accurate measure of central tendency over the mean.
"I am waiting for bones to develop, bro, then I will hardmaxx" is actually not coping/delaying, ironically.
Although some mfers still say this line, and they're like 23, at which point just say ur pussy/broke bro lmfao. Also, facial bones in the maxilla and mandible do develop, but only slightly after 20, check the third attached image.
Here is the source for the first and second image btw: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-81148-w
*Also, the main reason for resorption (as correlation does not equal causation) was actually the amount of mandible advancement someone got, as the hyperlinked source above concluded in their multivariable analysis. This means the more mandibular advancement you get, the higher your risk of bone resorption (again, really not good). Other factors which increased the likelihood of resorption were the amount of ccw rotation you get and upward movement of the bones overall you were trying to achieve, aka more ccw rotation to perfect your gonial angle = more risk of resorption in layman's terms.
"Oh no bro I need aggressive advancements to perfect side profile harmony, please help."
There is a solution. Get good mandibular advancement alongside a good ccw rotation, just nothing CRAZY. Then, for any EXTRA projection needed and for a sharper + smaller gonial angle + more upwardly projected chin in order to therefore PERFECT YOUR SIDE PROFILE HARMONY, get wrap-around jaw implants (jaw angle implants + chin implants) after the reasonable Trimax. AGAIN, IF YOU GO TO A GREAT ITALIAN SURGEON, ALL OF THIS WILL BE EXPLAINED.
ik you and I are looking for movements which will be optimal for the side and perfect our side profiles, so we need to take into account what our surgeons say for this reason as well. Again, we can get slightly bigger implants on top of less aggressive movements if it comes to it in order to perfect the projection side profile-wise and also of course the upward height/projection of the chin with chin implants and the sharper gonial angle with jaw angle implants, so yeah.
“Many GOOD/REPUTABLE surgeons dont listen to my 10 CM Advancement needs” - average recessed blackpilled sub3 incel or sub5 foid on the org. Yeah well they got valid reasons, they are medical professionals with decades of experience, research, stats and knowledge…. How ignorant does one have to be to think they know better. In that case, those people should just operate on themselves lmfao, the retard who went to Sunil is a prime example of this.
Additionally, I would suggest waiting until approximately 21-22 before taking Trimax as another measure of avoiding resorption. Mayo Clinic says 18-21 is ideal for males to trimax, but I would personally say 21-23 imo is a better range for trimax based on this dataset. WAIT UNTIL YOUR FACIAL BONE GROWTH IS COMPLETE VIA GETTING X-RAYS/CT SCANS on your SKULL as well.