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they do, but they also despise the uglysgay men have weird tastes
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they do, but they also despise the uglysgay men have weird tastes
I got told by a homo I knew that I was very attractive and it's my lack of confidence preventing me from fucking a lot of girlsthey do, but they also despise the uglys
If this is true why are so many girls obsessed with guys like chalamet or Elordi, who have objectively unattractive features? There are plenty of other famous men for them to obsess over who are more objectively attractive but they don’t.There are no averages. Every woman has an ideal man, and they posses all objectively attractive features.
high iq abstract thinker, yes this was the point I was trying to convey.If this is true why are so many girls obsessed with guys like chalamet or Elordi, who have objectively unattractive features? There are plenty of other famous men for them to obsess over who are more objectively attractive but they don’t.
high iq post @FailedNormieManlet people in this thread just don’t have the abstract thinking capability to understand the distinction you’re making here. Looks are only objective precisely because we assume a high enough sample size for them to exist in. If we talk about someone’s looks in regard to only one person’s opinion it obviously becomes very subjective and this fact alone proves your point that objective attractiveness is an average score. So yes looks are objective but only in a roundabout way.
I’ve been thinking about the same thing a lot recently, bummer to see everyone didn’t get it at all but their loss lol. I think it’s actually a really complicated and interesting topic that is very multifaceted but not well understood at all around here. One example I’ve noticed is that people who have some really good features and some really bad features will garner a much bigger spread of ratings than someone who has all down the middle features to arrive at the same “objective” attractiveness, which makes sense but isn’t discussed much. People just vaguely throw around the term appeal or mention nichemaxxing but that’s it.high iq abstract thinker, yes this was the point I was trying to convey.
Agreed with you on these points tbh, looks are actually very subjective and the only real way to quantify it would to be to get large populations. Looks is literally qualitative data and people are arguing here saying it's objective JFL.I’ve been thinking about the same thing a lot recently, bummer to see everyone didn’t get it at all but their loss lol. I think it’s actually a really complicated and interesting topic that is very multifaceted but not well understood at all around here. One example I’ve noticed is that people who have some really good features and some really bad features will garner a much bigger spread of ratings than someone who has all down the middle features to arrive at the same “objective” attractiveness, which makes sense but isn’t discussed much. People just vaguely throw around the term appeal or mention nichemaxxing but that’s it.
The different ways in which someone might arrive at an objectiveness attractiveness level have different consequences, high/low trust being a good example. There’s so much more to looks and their affect on how you’re perceived than just objective attractiveness, this forum is barely scratching the surface
Exactly, no matter how hard someone tries to be a good “objective” rater it’s just not possible. The only way to get an accurate measure of your rating is from a large sample size which in practice just means watching how you’re treated in general, although that is unfortunately conflated with other factors. people way overvalue ratings here, the only time it really matters is to make a distinction between looks being the problem or something elseAgreed with you on these points tbh, looks are actually very subjective and the only real way to quantify it would to be to get large populations. Looks is literally qualitative data and people are arguing here saying it's objective JFL.
Yes people who have good and bad features get a wide spread of ratings because we all have our own tastes, some people may prioritise jaw over eyes others hair and skin over jaw, etc. Point being that we are a forum dedicated to trying to reduce biases yet here we are still quite biased. Now imagine how women prioritise different things in a face JFL. I've noticed for example, I am biased towards more "pretty" looking men and rate them higher than the more masc looking men (even though in my experience I've seen masc men do very well with women).
Appeal and nichemaxxing is scratching the surface yeah, for example if you're dating some girl who likes fitness and lifting weights. On avg girls like that prioritise muscles and leaness over things like pretty eyes and good collagen. Users on this site will then interpret this as "going to the gym = gym girls like you, nichemaxxing confirmed" when in reality it's a bit more complex.
High/low trust is a good example too, we cannot objectively say whether high trust or low trust looks is optimal. Many girls prefer a high trust look and others the opposite.
I am glad you understood my point tbh, people on this site being stuck up on a rating need to realise that the people rating them aren't objective and are just as subjective.
Agreed tbh, if you have an avg face, at least 5'8 and not fat. It's not your looks holding you back. Even in my case as someone who is 5'5 and avg faced, I can get a gf - albeit lifting and whatnot will be a major booster. Most guys here are coping tbhExactly, no matter how hard someone tries to be a good “objective” rater it’s just not possible. The only way to get an accurate measure of your rating is from a large sample size which in practice just means watching how you’re treated in general, although that is unfortunately conflated with other factors. people way overvalue ratings here, the only time it really matters is to make a distinction between looks being the problem or something else
Yeah people have other shortcomings they don’t want to address. Aside from lacking social skills I think the biggest one frankly is just not putting enough effort into dating, no one here ever approaches or gives making a dating profile an actual sincere effort. Or the problem is unrealistic expectations a la the narcy info graphic you posted. non narcies are better at handling being normal looking and moving on with their lives cause they don’t expect the constant validation that users here are looking for hence a fixation on the desire to be perfect lookingAgreed tbh, if you have an avg face, at least 5'8 and not fat. It's not your looks holding you back. Even in my case as someone who is 5'5 and avg faced, I can get a gf - albeit lifting and whatnot will be a major booster. Most guys here are coping tbh
Most guys here have a fear of rejection too - I can say I too have a fear of it but am working on it. Fear of rejection is really what is fucking a lot of otherwise good looking guys over.Yeah people have other shortcomings they don’t want to address. Aside from lacking social skills I think the biggest one frankly is just not putting enough effort into dating, no one here ever approaches or gives making a dating profile an actual sincere effort. Or the problem is unrealistic expectations a la the narcy info graphic you posted. non narcies are better at handling being normal looking and moving on with their lives cause they don’t expect the constant validation that users here are looking for hence a fixation on the desire to be perfect looking
Yeah same, I think the rejection thing is a major factor. That’s part of the appeal of being a chad, you wouldn’t have to actually put yourself out there and face rejection. And a lot of the people on this website have faced rejection so much throughout their life that it’s the last thing they want to go through repeatedly to get laidMost guys here have a fear of rejection too - I can say I too have a fear of it but am working on it. Fear of rejection is really what is fucking a lot of otherwise good looking guys over.
Getting a good camera and taking interesting pics will probably result in a lot of good results too. Most people irl would be rated quite poorly by people here yet most people are in relationships.
Yup. I was speaking to my older brother earlier about girls, and he was telling me he just approaches and speaks and invites them out without waiting for IOIs, fear of rejection is literally one of the prime reasons why a lot of guys are looksmaxxing hard hereYeah same, I think the rejection thing is a major factor. That’s part of the appeal of being a chad, you wouldn’t have to actually put yourself out there and face rejection. And a lot of the people on this website have faced rejection so much throughout their life that it’s the last thing they want to go through repeatedly to get laid
There was a Dan bilzerian quote (I know he’s a complete tool and phony but bear with me lol) where he talks about how his friend in college would basically wait for things to happen naturally or w/e with a girl so he’d slay like a couple chicks a month but Dan claimed he would just approach girls in a friendly way whenever he could like in daily life and he would get say 100 approaches in and only get 2 more lays than his friend did for a total of 4 lays. But even though his friends ratio was a perfect 100% and his was only 4% he was still getting twice as much pussy. Low inhib pill basicallyYup. I was speaking to my older brother earlier about girls, and he was telling me he just approaches and speaks and invites them out without waiting for IOIs, fear of rejection is literally one of the prime reasons why a lot of guys are looksmaxxing hard here
It’s legit, when I was 19 I was approaching more girls in clubs and had way more success. I’m just biding my time gymcelling and will be back in action soonThere was a Dan bilzerian quote (I know he’s a complete tool and phony but bear with me lol) where he talks about how his friend in college would basically wait for things to happen naturally or w/e with a girl so he’d slay like a couple chicks a month but Dan claimed he would just approach girls in a friendly way whenever he could like in daily life and he would get say 100 approaches in and only get 2 more lays than his friend did for a total of 4 lays. But even though his friends ratio was a perfect 100% and his was only 4% he was still getting twice as much pussy. Low inhib pill basically
Same bro I can’t bring myself to go out and approach till I’m pretty lean again lolIt’s legit, when I was 19 I was approaching more girls in clubs and had way more success. I’m just biding my time gymcelling and will be back in action soon
literally it feels like I am wasting my time drinking and going behind in progress JFLSame bro I can’t bring myself to go out and approach till I’m pretty lean again lol
Same Im so unmotivated to start cutting for some reason idk why. But running out of time to start before summer so it’s about to be now or neverliterally it feels like I am wasting my time drinking and going behind in progress JFL
I am in the same sort of position. I am cutting still but I want to get stronger. It is demoralising af seeing me not being able to lift as hard as last sessionSame Im so unmotivated to start cutting for some reason idk why. But running out of time to start before summer so it’s about to be now or never
my homo friends cousin is visiting him right now, went out together as a group yesterday and now his blonde cousin wants the D. Should I proceed? Would creampieing his cousin ruin the friendship?I got told by a homo I knew that I was very attractive and it's my lack of confidence preventing me from fucking a lot of girls
I think it would bromy homo friends cousin is visiting him right now, went out together as a group yesterday and now his blonde cousin wants the D. Should I proceed? Would creampieing his cousin ruin the friendship?
Ai rates with these ratios and still does a horrible job giving rates. Literally ugly af ppl have been rated 8/10 by AI coded with those ratios you posted. Also models have been rated low by AI