beauty is objective

[Gaygymmaxx]

if we accept that beauty is subjective, then i can name the concept of beauty an ugly shit, but it's a contradiction.
and therefore beauty is not subjective. which means it's objective

It's subjective with some objective generalities

Everyone has a different taste, so to conclude an objective measure, you'd have to compile these preferences and isolate the mean / median

 

[theRetard]

It's subjective

why?

 

[Vazelrr]

I’m sorry my favorite undercover foid, let me slay you

Back off

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

why?

Retard I just told you

 

[Dorogi]

The golden ratio, often represented by the Greek letter phi (Φ), is a mathematical ratio approximately equal to 1.618. It's believed to represent harmony and beauty, and is frequently found in nature, art, and even facial proportions

no symmetry or golden ratio in these quick examples. "Beauty" whatever it may be is far more complex than just some calculations. The reaction of the observer being subjective makes beauty as a whole subjective. You are right though in some ways since its not black and white its a mix of the observes prefrences through experience and just brain wiring (subjective) and ratios, colours symmetry (objective)

 

[theRetard]

You're calling the concept of beauty ugly mate that literally doesnt change what beauty is the concept stays the same your reaction doesnt rewrite it youre just showing that people can feel differently about it which is obvious the subjectivity is in the experience not in the thing itself you cant just take subjectivism from perception and apply it to the concept itself thats not how logic works beauty as a concept has its own meaning it exists independently of what you feel calling it ugly doesnt prove subjectivity it just proves you feel differently

well you just repeated my words.
what's the purpose?

 

[Vazelrr]

well you just repeated my words.
what's the purpose?

Ah fuark I wasn't reading properly whatever ima leave the argument

 

[theRetard]

Retard I just told you

>calling beauty a subjectivity
>me asking him why
>muh retard i just told you

 

[theRetard]

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no symmetry or golden ratio in these quick examples. "Beauty" whatever it may be is far more complex than just some calculations.

but you asked me for how to measure beauty then if it's not about your reaction on this and on this I showed you a mathematical example. I'm not saying that beauty is just math

The reaction of the observer being subjective makes beauty as a whole subjective. You are right though in some ways since its not black and white its a mix of the observes prefrences through experience and just brain wiring (subjective) and ratios, colours symmetry (objective)

why reaction of the observer being subjective makes beauty subjective? beauty and reaction are different things

 

[taai]

I think there's parts of it. But what I am sure of is that there is not a "perfect" beauty that is the same for everyone

 

[Dorogi]

but you asked me for how to measure beauty then if it's not about your reaction on this and on this I showed you a mathematical example. I'm not saying that beauty is just math

why reaction of the observer being subjective makes beauty subjective?

Im saying it cant be measured in all cases, some yes you can measure beauty (especially faces) but the majority of things you cant its just a "vibe" or "aesthetic". Its PARTIALLY objective and PARTIALLY subjective. Truth is you cant fully measure beauty

 

[theRetard]

I think there's parts of it. But what I am sure of is that there is not a "perfect" beauty that is the same for everyone

but "everyone" exist independently of perfect beauty , so it's the same

 

[taai]

but "everyone" exist independently of perfect beauty , so it's the same

Yeah but then if you want to debate this you step into something of a higher order. Everyone has its own taste that comes from their historical conditions

 

[theRetard]

Im saying it cant be measured in all cases, some yes you can measure beauty (especially faces) but the majority of things you cant its just a "vibe" or "aesthetic". Its PARTIALLY objective and PARTIALLY subjective. Truth is you cant fully measure beauty

so personal associations can make something beautiful?

 

[Dorogi]

so personal associations can make something beautiful?

partially yes but its mostly personality and mood

 

[theRetard]

partially yes but its mostly personality and mood

is this painting beautiful?

 

[Dorogi]

is this painting beautiful?
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yeah but to me more in an objective sense since it doesnt really allign with what i mostly look at

 

[Dorogi]

I may have been wrong since the majority of time people use art to express themselves and not just because they are wired to find it beautiful. I guess its more about identity and the emotions the art embodies

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

>calling beauty a subjectivity
>me asking him why
>muh retard i just told you

It's very fucking simple bud you are low iq asf if you think it's objective

Some people prefer green eyes, some people prefer blue

So how do we conclude which is "objectively better" but finding all the results and looking at the one with the highest probability

It is still subjective but if you want to make a rating scale you have to use the cumulative subjective data to create a reliable scale

I said that already idk why you need to get spoon fed

 

[theRetard]

It's very fucking simple bud you are low iq asf if you think it's objective

Some people prefer green eyes, some people prefer blue

So how do we conclude which is "objectively better" but finding all the results and looking at the one with the highest probability

It is still subjective but if you want to make a rating scale you have to use the cumulative subjective data to create a reliable scale

I said that already idk why you need to get spoon fed

well but can you, my darling, point it where I called beauty a "personal preference"??? I actually debate here that it's not a personal preference

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

well but can you, my darling, point it where I called beauty a "personal preference"??? I actually debate here that it's not a personal preference

Are you too low iq to debate why haven't you posed a counter point and just waffling

 

[Hide]

It's very fucking simple bud you are low iq asf if you think it's objective

Some people prefer green eyes, some people prefer blue

So how do we conclude which is "objectively better" but finding all the results and looking at the one with the highest probability

It is still subjective but if you want to make a rating scale you have to use the cumulative subjective data to create a reliable scale

I said that already idk why you need to get spoon fed

Ivd explained this before bro trust me he doesnt get it jfl

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

Ivd explained this before bro trust me he doesnt get it jfl

What a low iq cretin

 

[theRetard]

Are you too low iq to debate why haven't you posed a counter point and just waffling

>retard makes a take with premise that he defines beauty as personal preference (some like green eyes other like blue)
>me attacking that premise
>retard doesn't even understands that and therefore thinks there's no counters points

 

[theRetard]

Ivd explained this before bro trust me he doesnt get it jfl

any valid arguments?

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

>retard makes a take with premise that he defines beauty as personal preference (some like green eyes other like blue)
>me attacking that premise
>retard doesn't even understands that and therefore thinks there's no counters points

Dnrd

 

[Hide]

any valid arguments?

Explain why an attractive person would not be an beautiful person lol

Beautiful is never coined to be objectively mathematical unless its for the sake of the beholder lol

 

[theRetard]

Dnrd

alright you lost so quickly

Explain why an attractive person would not be an beautiful person lol

Beautiful is never coined to be objectively mathematical unless its for the sake of the beholder lol

beauty is never coined because it doesn't depends on your thoughts, not because it's conventional (it's not)

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

alright you lost so quickly

beauty is never coined because it doesn't depends on your thoughts, not because it's conventional (it's not)

Dnrd name checks out

 

[theRetard]

Dnrd name checks out

beauty is objective. Any doubts?

 

[Hide]

alright you lost so quickly

beauty is never coined because it doesn't depends on your thoughts, not because it's conventional (it's not)

What makes beauty objective

Because at the end of the day, there is no science for beauty that isnt inputted by humanity. Beauty is inputted by human perception, not by its inherent sciences. F=ma is inputted by the universe where we humans rationalised it, but beauty is something we inputted.

 

[theRetard]

I may have been wrong since the majority of time people use art to express themselves and not just because they are wired to find it beautiful. I guess its more about identity and the emotions the art embodies

what are your thoughts on claims of @Gaygymmaxx and @Hide

 

[Dorogi]

what are your thoughts on claims of @Gaygymmaxx and @Hide

Idk i dont fully understand what everyones argument is anymore

 

[theRetard]

What makes beauty objective

existence in things, independently from your mind

Because at the end of the day, there is no science for beauty that isnt inputted by humanity. Beauty is inputted by human perception, not by its inherent sciences. F=ma is inputted by the universe where we humans rationalised it, but beauty is something we inputted.

there's no science about beauty at all since the concept is transcendent, science works only empirically. Beauty is discovered by human perception rather than inputted. And even if you inputted it, how did we do this?? because you can't come up with it from literally nothing

 

[foidletslayer]

Back off

I claimed ownership over it(her) a week ago

 

[CorinthianLOX]

True. Beauty is an unit which can be measured with geometry

 

[theRetard]

.

 

[theRetard]

I claimed ownership over it(her) a week ago

you are evil

 

[foidletslayer]

How? Im not, you’re my property. Put property of foudletslayer in your signature

 

[Copercel]

if we accept that beauty is subjective, then i can name the concept of beauty an ugly shit, but it's a contradiction.
and therefore beauty is not subjective. which means it's objective

Beauty is subjective

 

[ILikeNihari123]

It's subjective with some objective generalities

Everyone has a different taste, so to conclude an objective measure, you'd have to compile these preferences and isolate the mean / median

Agreed, obviously more objective than subjective tho

 

[theRetard]

Beauty is subjective

no

 

[theRetard]

How? Im not, you’re my property. Put property of foudletslayer in your signature

cutie, I'm not your property. Get out from here

 

[foidletslayer]

cutie, I'm not your property. Get out from here

That’s adorable, yet you’re still my property

 

[theRetard]

That’s adorable, yet you’re still my property

nothing adorable in this

 

[foidletslayer]

nothing adorable in this

You’re the adorable one true cutemaxxer