beef only carnivore vs carnivore with multiple meats

[appealmaxed]

what’s better beef only carnivore, or carnivore which includes meats of different types, eggs etc.

 

[AscendOrRopemaxx]

obviously more variety

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Eat what you want, life is short your going to die eventually. Go enjoy ur life

 

[appealmaxed]

Eat what you want, life is short your going to die eventually. Go enjoy ur life

i enjoy carnivore, i enjoy eating meat as well as looking good, which when i did the carnivore, helped. looked lean asf while enjoying food

 

[appealmaxed]

obviously more variety

why u say this?

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

i enjoy carnivore, i enjoy eating meat as well as looking good, which when i did the carnivore, helped. looked lean asf while enjoying food

Enjoying carnivore is more of the effect because you looked good so you enjoyed it due to looking good, you were rewarded so you now think you enjoy eating carnivore but its because you looked good. Realistically its much more tasty to down a whole burger, chips, and kfc then going bankrupted eating just steaks, ground beef and eggs.

 

[RecessedCel5]

@Never Get Up

 

[appealmaxed]

Enjoying carnivore is more of the effect because you looked good so you enjoyed it due to looking good, you were rewarded so you now think you enjoy eating carnivore but its because you looked good. Realistically its much more tasty to down a whole burger, chips, and kfc then going bankrupted eating just steaks, ground beef and eggs.

still i’m sure i’d get more enjoyment out of life from everyone else, like girls etc through looking. good, then eating like shit or in a way that makes me look worse. the trade off imo is worth it

 

[appealmaxed]

@kalefartbomb

 

[RecessedCel5]

still i’m sure i’d get more enjoyment out of life from everyone else, like girls etc through looking. good, then eating like shit or in a way that makes me look worse. the trade off imo is worth it

try adding honey

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

still i’m sure i’d get more enjoyment out of life from everyone else, like girls etc through looking. good, then eating like shit or in a way that makes me look worse. the trade off imo is worth it

Everything in life is relative, you don’t have to eat fully strict to look good.

 

[appealmaxed]

try adding honey

do you yourself do carnivore?

 

[appealmaxed]

Everything in life is relative, you don’t have to eat fully strict to look good.

yeah i agree. but imo a diet based around low carbs and animal based is best for looks. wether that’s strict carnivore, meats + fruit, keto or whatever

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

If you are doing carnivore, do mostly ground beef, organs, and eggs to save money because you will get poor quick eating steaks everyday, if you do want to eat steaks everyday and keep a tight budget i recommend just eating steak once a week max thats high quality.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

yeah i agree. but imo a diet based around low carbs and animal based is best for looks. wether that’s strict carnivore, meats + fruit, keto or whatever

Adding fruits just means your eating a animal based diet which is fine but more expensive because you would have to consume a proportional decent amount of fruits to have a good effect on your health and looks.

 

[RecessedCel5]

do you yourself do carnivore?

no. I do some fruit +honey and the rest is animal product

 

[appealmaxed]

Adding fruits just means your eating an animal based diet which is fine but more expensive because you would have to consume a proportional decent amount of fruits to have a good effect on your health and looks.

i personally won’t be adding fruit.

If you are doing carnivore, do mostly ground beef, organs, and eggs to save money because you will get poor quick eating steaks everyday, if you do want to eat steaks everyday and keep a tight budget i recommend just eating steak once a week max thats high quality.

yeah that’s what i’m currently doing. 100% beef mince 20% fat and eggs rn. not too expensive, regular carb diet is pretty comparable in price. 1.8kg of beef mince costs me £10 and eggs around £3 for 15

 

[appealmaxed]

no. I do some fruit +honey and the rest is animal product

similar effects to carnivore ig if you limit carbs, animal based stil revolves around meat tbh which is vastly better than the rest of the population

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

i personally won’t be adding fruit.

yeah that’s what i’m currently doing. 100% beef mince 20% fat and eggs rn. not too expensive, regular carb diet is pretty comparable in price. 1.8kg of beef mince costs me £10 and eggs around £3 for 15

Imo just add in carbs, there is no difference in aging effects if your in full ketosis burning state 24/7 than if you were having insulin spikes in ur blood sugar, sure if ur in full ketosis your energy levels are stable but that doesn’t mean anything when your body is still in a constant state of breaking down fat as a energy fuel.

 

[appealmaxed]

Imo just add in carbs, there is no difference in aging effects if your in full ketosis burning state 24/7 than if you were having insulin spikes in ur blood sugar, sure if ur in full ketosis your energy levels are stable but that doesn’t mean anything when your body is still in a constant state of breaking down fat as a energy fuel.

i use carnivore to get lean. then once i reach a level i’m happy with i add a few carbs daily like 40g which i take after working out to maintain.

another reason for this diet is boat is never an issue. carbs do bloat me for sure.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

i use carnivore to get lean. then once i reach a level i’m happy with i add a few carbs daily like 40g which i take after working out to maintain.

another reason for this diet is boat is never an issue. carbs do bloat me for sure.

Carbs isn’t the culprit of your bloat, it’s salt to potassium ratio.

 

[RecessedCel5]

i use carnivore to get lean. then once i reach a level i’m happy with i add a few carbs daily like 40g which i take after working out to maintain.

another reason for this diet is boat is never an issue. carbs do bloat me for sure.

it could be starch (rice, bread etc) that bloats you

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

it could be starch (rice, bread etc) that bloats you

Only rice with high starch is brown rice, refined white rice is not going to bloat. potatoes and bread will bloat you because of the indigestable fibres, chemical defenses, and high amount of starche in bread and potatoes and unrefined rice like brown, wild or purple rice

 

[appealmaxed]

Carbs isn’t the culprit of your bloat, it’s salt to potassium ratio.

i do hear this and have been told by a few of this but even when trying to incorporate as many foods with high potassium as possible like spinach banana and potatoes i still am bloated.

it could be starch (rice, bread etc) that bloats you

this could be a reason yeah, but that basically leaves animal products like milk on the table for carb sources. which i will actually incorporate after the gym to get the insuline spike.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

i do hear this and have been told by a few of this but even when trying to incorporate as many foods with high potassium as possible like spinach banana and potatoes i still am bloated.

this could be a reason yeah, but that basically leaves animal products like milk on the table for carb sources. which i will actually incorporate after the gym to get the insuline spike.

If your still bloated it is a gut issue or you have a genetic issue with retaining water as a biological defense action.

 

[appealmaxed]

If your still bloated it is a gut issue or you have a genetic issue with retaining water as a biological defense action.

what carb sources would you recommend? that shouldn’t cause bloat. i’ll try incorporate them and see, otherwise if they cause me to bloat, carnivore is the only thing that seems to prevent it, and is what i’ll have to do.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

what carb sources would you recommend? that shouldn’t cause bloat. i’ll try incorporate them and see, otherwise if they cause me to bloat, carnivore is the only thing that seems to prevent it, and is what i’ll have to do.

Fruits

 

[appealmaxed]

Fruits

ideal diet is carnivore with the incorporation of fruit?
fruits don’t actually bloat me i think

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

My $150/a week animal based diet budget

$75- Grass Fed Ground Beef (12lbs)
$10- Eggs (30 eggs)
$5- Organs (Liver usually)
$40- Steak (Ribeye Prime High Quality from a roll (8x 2 inch thick slices of steaks from a 17lb roll, once a week as a special treat)
$5- Butter
$15- Fruits

If you have a budget for $200/a week add in some more fruits or get a nice juicy steak from more ribeye rolls.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

ideal diet is carnivore with the incorporation of fruit?
fruits don’t actually bloat me i think

try it out, if it doesn’t bloat stay on them, if it does continue to eat strict carnivore because that means you have some autoimmune disease or health issue regarding retaining water in your fat cells and muscle cells.

 

[appealmaxed]

My $150/a week animal based diet budget

$75- Grass Fed Ground Beef (12lbs)
$10- Eggs (30 eggs)
$5- Organs (Liver usually)
$40- Steak (Ribeye Prime High Quality from a roll (8x 2 inch thick slices of steaks from a 17lb roll, once a week as a special treat)
$5- Butter
$15- Fruits

If you have a budget for $200/a week add in some more fruits or get a nice juicy steak from more ribeye rolls.

try it out, if it doesn’t bloat stay on them, if it does continue to eat strict carnivore because that means you have some autoimmune disease or health issue regarding retaining water in your fat cells and muscle cells.

will do.
how many carbs from fruit do you consume daily? out of curiosity.
any preference of what fruits to eat?

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

will do.
how many carbs from fruit do you consume daily? out of curiosity.
any preference of what fruits to eat?

Fruits high in nutrients and the super food fruits are blackberries, blueberries, strawberries and kiwis. The only reason why people eat banana is the potassium for debloating. Btw from a ribeye roll you don’t have to cut two inch thick steaks if you want, 1.5 inch thickness is fine and you can get more slices while saving more money

 

[appealmaxed]

try it out, if it doesn’t bloat stay on them, if it does continue to eat strict carnivore because that means you have some autoimmune disease or health issue regarding retaining water in your fat cells and muscle cells.

my water intake could also be the culprit if it. i have only now started to drink more water consciously, a lot more than i used to. i used to forget to drink before so water intake was low asf.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

my water intake could also be the culprit if it. i have only now started to drink more water consciously, a lot more than i used to. i used to forget to drink before so water intake was low asf.

Actually no you don’t want to drink water, eating salt with ur meat and then drinking lots of water attracts salt via osmosis and dehydrates your cells so you dry out and debloat, the carbs you eat always turn into sugar so that sugar acts as a blocking effect the more water you consume, if you don’t drink water sugar is attracted by salt, and then dehydrated through osmosis.

 

[appealmaxed]

Actually no you don’t want to drink water, eating salt with ur meat and then drinking lots of water attracts salt via osmosis and dehydrates your cells so you dry out and debloat, the carbs you eat always turn into sugar so that sugar acts as a blocking effect the more water you consume, if you don’t drink water sugar is attracted by salt, and then dehydrated through osmosis.

so don’t think as much if you incorporate carbs from fruit. if it’s zero carb proper carnivore higher water is better?

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

so don’t think as much if you incorporate carbs from fruit. if it’s zero carb proper carnivore higher water is better?

Yup, if u were on strict carnivore high water consumption for fat cells to absorb slower and be used as fuel energy stable throughout the day while if your eating animal based with carbs from fruits or any carb source, limit water intake to starve out sugar cells retained in your muscle as glycogen or in your fat cells as water.

 

[appealmaxed]

Yup, if u were on strict carnivore high water consumption for fat cells to absorb slower and be used as fuel energy stable throughout the day while if your eating animal based with carbs from fruits or any carb source, limit water intake to starve out sugar cells retained in your muscle as glycogen or in your fat cells as water.

don’t you want glycogen stored in muscle? the insulin spike after working out and consuming carbs in good for building muscle.
all though i still progressed in gym in strict carnivore, lifts continues to increase every session despite total carb depletion

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

don’t you want glycogen stored in muscle? the insulin spike after working out and consuming carbs in good for building muscle.
all though i still progressed in gym in strict carnivore, lifts continues to increase every session despite total carb depletion

No because then your lifts and strength will fluctuate from carbs while fat used as energy source is more stable and slower burning then sugars (carbs) because of its molecular structure.

 

[appealmaxed]

No because then your lifts and strength will fluctuate from carbs while fat used as energy source is more stable and slower burning then sugars (carbs) because of its molecular structure.

got it.

also does meal timing mater really? like i see many who do carnivore recommend eating 1-2 meals a day instead of the standard smaller but many meals daily. or it makes no difference?

 

[kalefartbomb]

The variety of cuts is way more important than the species of animal. You can eat 10 different lean cuts of meat from different animals and you're getting a much more narrow nutrient profile than eating marrow, kidney, liver, spleen along with muscle meat all from beef. This need to eat diverse food species really just comes from feeling like you have to hedge your bets because you don't know what to eat. Natural humans never thought that way, they just ate every little bit from the local animals around them in many cases from just one species.

 

[kalefartbomb]

don’t you want glycogen stored in muscle? the insulin spike after working out and consuming carbs in good for building muscle.
all though i still progressed in gym in strict carnivore, lifts continues to increase every session despite total carb depletion

Your body can make all the glycogen it needs without eating a single carb source. I'm not saying you have to religiously avoid carbs (I eat a bit of fruit sometimes) but it's completely unneccessary nutritionally. Strength is more a matter of rest, electrolytes, and adequate protein and fats.

 

[appealmaxed]

The variety of cuts is way more important than the species of animal. You can eat 10 different lean cuts of meat from different animals and you're getting a much more narrow nutrient profile than eating marrow, kidney, liver, spleen along with muscle meat all from beef. This need to eat diverse food species really just comes from feeling like you have to hedge your bets because you don't know what to eat. Natural humans never thought that way, they just ate every little bit from the local animals around them in many cases from just one species.

Your body can make all the glycogen it needs without eating a single carb source. I'm not saying you have to religiously avoid carbs (I eat a bit of fruit sometimes) but it's completely unneccessary nutritionally. Strength is more a matter of rest, electrolytes, and adequate protein and fats.

i currently only eat beef and eggs and water as a uni student. no carbs. i am managing to progress in the gym each session. i am not following the limited number of meals a day. i train in the morning and eat few eggs pre and post workout. later on in the day i eat beef until full, then later on before bed ill either finish the beef if i got full before finishing or have more eggs. i dont think this is what typically they do when doing carnivore diet, i think i hear they usually just eat once a day, does it make a difference that im eating like 4 times a day instead of limiting to 1 or 2?

 

[appealmaxed]

Yup, if u were on strict carnivore high water consumption for fat cells to absorb slower and be used as fuel energy stable throughout the day while if your eating animal based with carbs from fruits or any carb source, limit water intake to starve out sugar cells retained in your muscle as glycogen or in your fat cells as water.

so im doing strict carnivore rn, eggs and beef only currently. i havent been adding salt to my food tho, only getting the sodium thats in the eggs and beef. is it recommended, and better and for less water retention, that i do increase my sodium intake, as well as high amounts of water?

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

so im doing strict carnivore rn, eggs and beef only currently. i havent been adding salt to my food tho, only getting the sodium thats in the eggs and beef. is it recommended, and better and for less water retention, that i do increase my sodium intake, as well as high amounts of water?

Moderate salt consumption is best, but add some beer liver and eat more butter blocks.

 

[appealmaxed]

Moderate salt consumption is best, but add some beer liver and eat more butter blocks.

yea will do.

u think 25% beef is better than 20% or doesn’t really matter. in a state of ketodis fat is used as fuel so i was thinking 25% but idk.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

yea will do.

u think 25% beef is better than 20% or doesn’t really matter. in a state of ketodis fat is used as fuel so i was thinking 25% but idk.

80% lean and 20% fat is ideal ground beef, but most organic grass fed ground beef is capped at 85/15 so eat more butter blocks, remember fat: protien ratio should be 2:1 because hyper protien on carnivore diet is what contributes to liquid stools, not enough fat means your body cannot absorb that protien.

Thats why ultimately leaner cuts of steaks, and leaner ground beef = a diaster on the carnivore diet because not enough fat to protien ratio of 2:1. Steaks are harder to eat daily because of their protien amount in one whole serving of 14-16 ounces typically so its why recommended you eat this type of style that i am currently:

I eat 2 meals a day 12:00pm and finish by 6:00pm ( i do 16:8 fast daily and 1 24 hour fast a week, 48 hour fast monthly and a 72 hour fast yearly)

Meal 1: 1 lb of ground beef (80/20 if i can), 2 eggs, 1 block of butter and 0.5 ounce of beef liver

Meal 2: same as meal 1

Steaks are hard to eat daily without absorbing enough fats to protien ratio so eat steak max 2-3x/a week and the quality matters too because lower quality steaks have less fat content/marbling which makes the cut taste not just worse but make the nutrient profile poor in terms of fat to protien ratio content. Also for financial purposes you’ll stastically go bankrupt if your eating more than 3 high quality steaks a week.

 

[appealmaxed]

80% lean and 20% fat is ideal ground beef, but most organic grass fed ground beef is capped at 85/15 so eat more butter blocks, remember fat: protien ratio should be 2:1 because hyper protien on carnivore diet is what contributes to liquid stools, not enough fat means your body cannot absorb that protien.

Thats why ultimately leaner cuts of steaks, and leaner ground beef = a diaster on the carnivore diet because not enough fat to protien ratio of 2:1. Steaks are harder to eat daily because of their protien amount in one whole serving of 14-16 ounces typically so its why recommended you eat this type of style that i am currently:

I eat 2 meals a day 12:00pm and finish by 6:00pm ( i do 16:8 fast daily and 1 24 hour fast a week, 48 hour fast monthly and a 72 hour fast yearly)

Meal 1: 1 lb of ground beef (80/20 if i can), 2 eggs, 1 block of butter and 0.5 ounce of beef liver

Meal 2: same as meal 1

Steaks are hard to eat daily without absorbing enough fats to protien ratio so eat steak max 2-3x/a week and the quality matters too because lower quality steaks have less fat content/marbling which makes the cut taste not just worse but make the nutrient profile poor in terms of fat to protien ratio content. Also for financial purposes you’ll stastically go bankrupt if your eating more than 3 high quality steaks a week.

yea i’m currently just eating beef and eggs only, thinking of doing beef only cos it satiates me more than eggs, eggs don’t really satiate at all tbh. i ate 1kg beef this morning, somehow getting hungry again tbh, but i fear if i eat more i’d gain weight / fat. yesterday i ate 1kg of beef and 3 eggs with butter, gained 0.2kg in the morning. i am hitting gym while im doing this 6 days a week, but im always fearing when the scale increases in gaining fat or bloat.

 

[appealmaxed]

80% lean and 20% fat is ideal ground beef, but most organic grass fed ground beef is capped at 85/15 so eat more butter blocks, remember fat: protien ratio should be 2:1 because hyper protien on carnivore diet is what contributes to liquid stools, not enough fat means your body cannot absorb that protien.

yeah i hen i do shit, my stools are fine and solid so i think my fat intake should be good. but i shit a lot less often currently.

Steaks are hard to eat daily without absorbing enough fats to protien ratio so eat steak max 2-3x/a week and the quality matters too because lower quality steaks have less fat content/marbling which makes the cut taste not just worse but make the nutrient profile poor in terms of fat to protien ratio content. Also for financial purposes you’ll stastically go bankrupt if your eating more than 3 high quality steaks a week.

yeah realistically steak is just spenny. mince is much cheaper and has good nutrient profile

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

yea i’m currently just eating beef and eggs only, thinking of doing beef only cos it satiates me more than eggs, eggs don’t really satiate at all tbh. i ate 1kg beef this morning, somehow getting hungry again tbh, but i fear if i eat more i’d gain weight / fat. yesterday i ate 1kg of beef and 3 eggs with butter, gained 0.2kg in the morning. i am hitting gym while im doing this 6 days a week, but im always fearing when the scale increases in gaining fat or bloat.

You cant “bloat” on carnivore diet and you will certainly gain more fat if you eat more.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

yeah i hen i do shit, my stools are fine and solid so i think my fat intake should be good. but i shit a lot less often currently.

yeah realistically steak is just spenny. mince is much cheaper and has good nutrient profile

Its normal to only shit once a day or even once every two days because your body’s actually extracting nutrients slowly and properly developing it into a shit instead of being blocked and disrupted by fibre, carbohydrates (sugar), and Plant toxins from vegetables.