Being NT or not is just about how socially active your life is.

[Deleted member 17578]

And my life has been socially dead since 14yo or so. Before that I was NT, but truecel in looks.

I go to a party or other social event maybe once every 2-3 weeks. I just dont enjoy myself there so i dont bother with most social opportunities that I get nowadays.

And i notice most men dont care about being very social anymore after their early 20s.

Very nonNT

 

[Deleted member 17595]

over

 

[Deleted member 28904]

Dnrd cus I dont want to suicide

 

[Sprinkles]

I just stay inside my apartment

 

[AntiCoper]

Honestly NT doesnt mean anything in terms of success in life/relationships. Rather be non NT than be a normie NT ostrich with my head buried in the sand and not know anything about how things really work. And you can be non NT and still have a fulfilling social life IMO

 

[Prettyboy]

And i notice most men dont care about being very social anymore after their early 20s.

I see this among people who are already out of college, usually late 20s. My theory is lot more guys are antisocial than strictly speaking neurodivergents, they only socialize so they can fuck girls - but after college their social circle is non existant + they are invisible to society so they don’t try anymore

Parallel to this many normies start gymmaxxing during college but likewise abandon it a few years later as it didnt bring them pussy

If normies do something its always because of the posibility of getting laid. Doing things for your own sake is an aspie trait.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

I just stay inside my apartment

Same.

NTpeople meetup with friends atleast 3 times per week or so

 

[Deleted member 17578]

I see this among people who are already out of college, usually late 20s. My theory is lot more guys are antisocial than strictly speaking neurodivergents, they only socialize so they can fuck girls - but after college their social circle is non existant + they are invisible to society so they don’t try anymore

Parallel to this many normies start gymmaxxing during college but likewise abandon it a few years later as it didnt bring them pussy

If normies do something its always because of the posibility of getting laid. Doing things for your own sake is an aspie trait.

Yup, socializing is very unrewarding for most men as getting laid is impossible and most men arent valued but easily replaced.

Socializing with drugs can be fun though. Might be the only legit way other than be chad/valued

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Doing things for your own sake is an aspie trait.

I guess 70% of guys are autistic then

 

[Deleted member 24940]

Going to parties past age 25 is cope. At that stage you need to find a wife and settle down asap.

 

[Deleted member 20399]

And my life has been socially dead since 14yo or so. Before that I was NT, but truecel in looks.

I go to a party or other social event maybe once every 2-3 weeks. I just dont enjoy myself there so i dont bother with most social opportunities that I get nowadays.

And i notice most men dont care about being very social anymore after their early 20s.

Very nonNT

I never been to a party in my life

 

[Nebula]

Yup, socializing is very unrewarding for most men as getting laid is impossible and most men arent valued but easily replaced.

Socializing with drugs can be fun though. Might be the only legit way other than be chad/valued

This. I cant get shit so why even go. Most normies back stab u anyway when pussy is on the table

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Going to parties past age 25 is cope. At that stage you need to find a wife and settle down asap.

U need to socialize to find a wife. So what ur saying is that it's over.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

I never been to a party in my life

80% are over-rated and shit. U didn't miss out on much.

 

[Deleted member 24940]

U need to socialize to find a wife. So what ur saying is that it's over.

Parties, bars, clubs is not where you find a wife that's where you find whores.

Uni has the wife material but idk where you can meet HQNP females outside uni. Maybe online?

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

I love being alone. making money and staying disciplined is all that's on my mind rn

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Parties, bars, clubs is not where you find a wife that's where you find whores.

You can find both there, depending on the type of party/bar.

Uni has the wife material but idk where you can meet HQNP females outside uni.

grocery store and that type of place idk.

Maybe online?

 

[stamaster21]

I see this among people who are already out of college, usually late 20s. My theory is lot more guys are antisocial than strictly speaking neurodivergents, they only socialize so they can fuck girls - but after college their social circle is non existant + they are invisible to society so they don’t try anymore

Parallel to this many normies start gymmaxxing during college but likewise abandon it a few years later as it didnt bring them pussy

If normies do something its always because of the posibility of getting laid. Doing things for your own sake is an aspie trait.

i fuckn love this post, i agree mostly with it, when guys are in college it is the peak prime getting pussy years along with highschool so guys try to looksmax hit the gym, and be more social. But once college is finished people are alot more busy, they have less time social circles die off as people begin to pair up with newer people. A example is a guy you would go to parties with and hang out, you grow apart because the new people from work are more cooler and have higher goals in life and connections etc. Its now becomes less about popularity and what you do and who you know.

Being popular or having a good social circles is more beneficial in highschool and college because folks in that environment and that stage of life care more. When you go into the real world some folks get depressed when they realize and notice a decline in social ranking and power. So some stop trying, some stop working out as they say whats the point.

Believe it or not looks become even more important factor if your what a call a attractive loser, aka a attractive person with really no social circle and nothing amazing going on in their lives. back in highschool and college your social standing and popularity would have hurt you alot. post-college women won't give a fuck and other people as well, its what you bring to the table, and less about your past social standing.

 

[Deleted member 2100]

This is the most brutal depressing thread I’ve ever read. I’ve never been invited to a party, have no friends, and it’s fucking over for me. On top of that I’ll never be able to ascend post-college, Jesus Christ it’s fucking over for me. I’ll just rope.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Going to parties past age 25 is cope. At that stage you need to find a wife and settle down asap.

Cope chads settle down 40+, especially if they look young still

 

[Deleted member 24940]

This is the most brutal depressing thread I’ve ever read. I’ve never been invited to a party, have no friends, and it’s fucking over for me. On top of that I’ll never be able to ascend post-college, Jesus Christ it’s fucking over for me. I’ll just rope.

The worst part about it is if you never had cool friends in middle school and high school then you don't have the confidence to make them later in life.

 

[Deleted member 2100]

The worst part about it is if you never had cool friends in middle school and high school then you don't have the confidence to make them later in life.

If you didn’t have many friends on top of that it’s difficult to make friends because you don’t have the years of social skills normies and Chads did and are behind. They have years of friends and social networks to tap into for college and beyond making it easier for them to make more friends, while for incels it’s brutal because they don’t have the social skills or friends to have a social life.

 

[Prettyboy]

Yup, socializing is very unrewarding for most men as getting laid is impossible and most men arent valued but easily replaced.

Socializing with drugs can be fun though. Might be the only legit way other than be chad/valued

i fuckn love this post, i agree mostly with it, when guys are in college it is the peak prime getting pussy years along with highschool so guys try to looksmax hit the gym, and be more social. But once college is finished people are alot more busy, they have less time social circles die off as people begin to pair up with newer people. A example is a guy you would go to parties with and hang out, you grow apart because the new people from work are more cooler and have higher goals in life and connections etc. Its now becomes less about popularity and what you do and who you know.

Being popular or having a good social circles is more beneficial in highschool and college because folks in that environment and that stage of life care more. When you go into the real world some folks get depressed when they realize and notice a decline in social ranking and power. So some stop trying, some stop working out as they say whats the point.

Believe it or not looks become even more important factor if your what a call a attractive loser, aka a attractive person with really no social circle and nothing amazing going on in their lives. back in highschool and college your social standing and popularity would have hurt you alot. post-college women won't give a fuck and other people as well, its what you bring to the table, and less about your past social standing.

I think it boils down to losing the excitement you still got during puberty from having no experience. In high school (and maybe college) there’s the thrill coming from competing in hope of securing a cute girl. You don’t have much responsibilites so you can keep your mind in this fantasy world.

But after you graduate university, responsibilites quickly mount up as a full grown adult. Pair finding, which initially was an exciting experience becomes a subject of an internal cost / benefit analysis guys do. After all gym, nice clothes, a good car to show off etc. all take significant effort to achieve for the average guy and if the expected results (pussy) don’t arrive then it’s all pointless.

Lot of guys nowadays realize this by their late 20s, that’s what I’m seeing around me. They usually play video games instead or just rot. They might as well be a different species from their female peers, who all have amazingly rich social lives. Guys have no one. They have maybe a few friends back from college.


I also noticed that almost all guys (even the introverted ones) try out clubbing at one point in their life, but most of them quickly find out that they cannot get laid off of their looks from clubs. So they stop going to clubs or parties all together after college.

If you go to clubs that aren’t associated with college students, you’ll quickly see that there is a very observable survivorship bias among the guys usually present. These 30+ guys are the battle tested ones, the moggers who did slay in clubs during college so the positive reinforcement loop kept them coming back.

 

[stamaster21]

I think it boils down to losing the excitement you still got during puberty from having no experience. In high school (and maybe college) there’s the thrill coming from competing in hope of securing a cute girl. You don’t have much responsibilites so you can keep your mind in this fantasy world.

But after you graduate university, responsibilites quickly mount up as a full grown adult. Pair finding, which initially an exciting experience becomes a subject of an internal cost / benefit analysis guys do. After all gym, nice clothes, a good car to show off etc. all take significant effort to achieve for the average guy and if the expected results (pussy) don’t arrive then it’s all pointless.

Lot of guys nowadays realize this by their late 20s, that’s what I’m seeing around me. They usually play video games instead or rot



I also noticed that almost all guys (even the introverted ones) try out clubbing at one point in their life, but most of them quickly find out that they cannot get laid off of their looks from clubs. So they stop going to clubs or parties all together after college.

If you go to clubs that aren’t associated with college students, you’ll quickly see that there is a very observable survivorship bias among the guys usually present. These 30+ guys are the battle tested ones, the moggers who did slay in clubs during college so the positive reinforcement loop kept them coming back.

i agree alot with this post, the data even shows clubs/night clubs are dying. guys relied on their popularity and social standing during college, but post- college they would go to the club/bar and see its alot harder. When your young in highschool/college you can have the thrill of competing for young prime pussy, you don't really have alot of expensive bills to pay, and you can stay in that fantasy world of day dreaming and hoping for a better tommrow. Once your post control and you have all these bills to pay reality hits ya in the face hard, now dating or getting pussy seems like much more of chore. The womens standards get higher as their looks and beauty fade at the same time.

 

[Deleted member 20890]

I just stay inside my apartment

How you gonna ever get laid? Pay for it?

 

[Deleted member 20890]

And my life has been socially dead since 14yo or so. Before that I was NT, but truecel in looks.

I go to a party or other social event maybe once every 2-3 weeks. I just dont enjoy myself there so i dont bother with most social opportunities that I get nowadays.

And i notice most men dont care about being very social anymore after their early 20s.

Very nonNT

Well yeah. Most people aren’t NT. Even women wait to get approached they just get a pass because the hold between their legs.

 

[Sprinkles]

How you gonna ever get laid? Pay for it?

Yes

I’m too not nt to do normie things like dates and social circle maxxing

 

[Deleted member 20890]

Yes

I’m too not nt to do normie things like dates and social circle maxxing

Brutal

 

[Prettyboy]

The womens standards get higher as their looks and beauty fade at the same time.

This is among the few things I hate the most about life.

The cost / benefit ratio as a guy get exponentionally worse with time. Girls are the hottest right after puberty, whilst simultanously having the lowest standards both looks and resources wise.

As women age, their looks goes down the drain but at the same time their expectations skyrocket. With every passing year the chance of her having been with a taller, more hung etc. guy increases. After college they start to care about other things besides looks too - have your own car, own place, have a good career; their list of requirements is endless.

And what do they offer in return? A roast beef that is inferior in every regard to a JB.

 

[Deleted member 20890]

This is among the few things I hate the most about life.

The cost / benefit ratio as a guy get exponentionally worse with time. Girls are the hottest right after puberty, whilst simultanously having the lowest standards both looks and resources wise.

As women age, their looks goes down the drain but at the same time their expectations skyrocket. With every passing year the chance of her having been with a taller, more hung etc. guy increases. After college they start to care about other things besides looks too - have your own car, own place, have a good career; their list of requirements is endless.

And what do they offer in return? A roast beef that is inferior in every regard to a JB.

The number one reason people hate adult men with JBs isn’t “he can’t get women his own age”.

The man who can attract a JB can get women his age, just lower quality. Meanwhile the JB is sorrounded by stupid schmucks who he effortlessly mogs. They see this as “Smurfing”.

 

[Lefty Rankin]

And my life has been socially dead since 14yo or so. Before that I was NT, but truecel in looks.

I go to a party or other social event maybe once every 2-3 weeks. I just dont enjoy myself there so i dont bother with most social opportunities that I get nowadays.

And i notice most men dont care about being very social anymore after their early 20s.

Very nonNT

I never go to parties. But I can still go to them and gave a good time if I want. Haven't had a friend since 2017.

 

[Deleted member 20890]

The number one reason people hate adult men with JBs isn’t “he can’t get women his own age”.

The man who can attract a JB can get women his age, just lower quality. Meanwhile the JB is sorrounded by stupid schmucks who he effortlessly mogs. They see this as “Smurfing”.

However, many have very negative memories of such experiences. Salon's Tracy Clark-Flory cites research showing that in case studies of girls who had been in sexual relationships with older men, "once girls left the relationship, negative views seemed to predominate. That is, girls who were no longer in these relationships viewed the adult men as perverts who could not find willing partners their own age so they resorted to exploiting young, naïve girls." Clark-Flory also quotes researcher Lynn Phillips, who writes,

Whether or not older men consciously seek to exploit their adolescent partners, women who had been in adult-teen relationships tend to feel, to varying degrees, manipulated, dominated, or cheated out of their youth as a result of their involvement with adults. In contrast to the enhanced sense of self-worth many teens anticipated from their involvements with adult men, several adult women felt ultimately that their sense of self-respect, trust, and independence was diminished as a result of their earlier relationships.

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[stamaster21]

This is among the few things I hate the most about life.

The cost / benefit ratio as a guy get exponentionally worse with time. Girls are the hottest right after puberty, whilst simultanously having the lowest standards both looks and resources wise.

As women age, their looks goes down the drain but at the same time their expectations skyrocket. With every passing year the chance of her having been with a taller, more hung etc. guy increases. After college they start to care about other things besides looks too - have your own car, own place, have a good career; their list of requirements is endless.

And what do they offer in return? A roast beef that is inferior in every regard to a JB.

basically as they get older they experince better men from puberty age so they end up making more demands, as their own value in terms of youth and fertility and beauty decline. But they become more frustrated as they get older the men who meet those standards are less likely to pick them.,


This guy will pick yovana ventura over hes own female peers like janna kramer in most cases. Yes it will be harder for attractive women as they age but they can luck out and get those men, it means the chances are much lower then if these women were younger.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

I think it boils down to losing the excitement you still got during puberty from having no experience. In high school (and maybe college) there’s the thrill coming from competing in hope of securing a cute girl. You don’t have much responsibilites so you can keep your mind in this fantasy world.

But after you graduate university, responsibilites quickly mount up as a full grown adult. Pair finding, which initially was an exciting experience becomes a subject of an internal cost / benefit analysis guys do. After all gym, nice clothes, a good car to show off etc. all take significant effort to achieve for the average guy and if the expected results (pussy) don’t arrive then it’s all pointless.

Lot of guys nowadays realize this by their late 20s, that’s what I’m seeing around me. They usually play video games instead or just rot. They might as well be a different species from their female peers, who all have amazingly rich social lives. Guys have no one. They have maybe a few friends back from college.


I also noticed that almost all guys (even the introverted ones) try out clubbing at one point in their life, but most of them quickly find out that they cannot get laid off of their looks from clubs. So they stop going to clubs or parties all together after college.

If you go to clubs that aren’t associated with college students, you’ll quickly see that there is a very observable survivorship bias among the guys usually present. These 30+ guys are the battle tested ones, the moggers who did slay in clubs during college so the positive reinforcement loop kept them coming back.

i agree alot with this post, the data even shows clubs/night clubs are dying. guys relied on their popularity and social standing during college, but post- college they would go to the club/bar and see its alot harder. When your young in highschool/college you can have the thrill of competing for young prime pussy, you don't really have alot of expensive bills to pay, and you can stay in that fantasy world of day dreaming and hoping for a better tommrow. Once your post control and you have all these bills to pay reality hits ya in the face hard, now dating or getting pussy seems like much more of chore. The womens standards get higher as their looks and beauty fade at the same time.

I disagree that it's bills or responsibilities that cause any of this effect.

It's mostly the repeated failure making you realize you don't actually like to go clubbing/socializing. Excitement wearing off. And not being around other people that still have these 2 things that get you to go clubbing/partying through proximity.

Dating has always been a chore for men. It's just that in the beginning you still believe things can be different; you can still meet the right girl. So you stay motivated/interested.

 

[Tusseleif]

Bruh I legitimately have zero friends. Like I don’t know anyone my age anymore (that I didn’t meet online). Life with autism is a joke. My whole life I’ve been the second choice friend up until 15 when I lost all friends and dropped out of society. No matter how much I tried I never made friends

 

[stamaster21]

I disagree that it's bills or responsibilities that cause any of this effect.

It's mostly the repeated failure making you realize you don't actually like to go clubbing/socializing. Excitement wearing off. And not being around other people that still have these 2 things that get you to go clubbing/partying through proximity.

Dating has always been a chore for men. It's just that in the beginning you still believe things can be different; you can still meet the right girl. So you stay motivated/interested.

i would say bills and responsibility because you have less time, aka to go out and compete for women and heck even looksmaxing.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

i would say bills and responsibility because you have less time, aka to go out and compete for women and heck even looksmaxing.

It's incredibly easy to work part-time as an adult and have more free-time than you had a student.

If this were true, then all of this would be your own choice since nobody forces you to work full-time imo.

And then look at all the NEETs aswell. Why aren't they going clubbing and socializing since they have the time and no responsibilities?

 

[stamaster21]

It's incredibly easy to work part-time as an adult and have more free-time than you had a student.

If this were true, then all of this would be your own choice since nobody forces you to work full-time imo.

And then look at all the NEETs aswell. Why aren't they going clubbing and socializing since they have the time and no responsibilities?

i don't know what fantasy land you live in most people on planet earth work full-time, most jobs/salaries at part-time won't pay the bills.
As for neets those guys have given up on life in general they don't count, iam talking about the avg man and or the majority of men.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

i don't know what fantasy land you live in most people on planet earth work full-time, most jobs/salaries at part-time won't pay the bills.
As for neets those guys have given up on life in general they don't count, iam talking about the avg man and or the majority of men.

Most adults, especially women, work part-time or less in the netherlands.

Only men that have given up on life, work full-time.

 

[stamaster21]

Most adults, especially women, work part-time or less in the netherlands.

Only men that have given up on life, work full-time.

key word netherlands, im talking about globally.
its about 70 percent of the women, aka most are probably on some time of social benefit programs, and for the men it is 28 percent.
About 72 percent of the men work full-time jobs, in the netherlands wdf you talking about.

Who are most likely to work part-time?

In 2021, nearly half of the working population had a part-time job. Retail checkout assistants, carers and pharmacy assistants were the most likely not to have full-time jobs.

longreads.cbs.nl

 

[Deleted member 17578]

key word netherlands, im talking about globally.
its about 70 percent of the women, aka most are probably on some time of social benefit programs, and for the men it is 28 percent.

Who are most likely to work part-time?

In 2021, nearly half of the working population had a part-time job. Retail checkout assistants, carers and pharmacy assistants were the most likely not to have full-time jobs.

longreads.cbs.nl

Over for every non-netherlands country

 

[stamaster21]

If you didn’t have many friends on top of that it’s difficult to make friends because you don’t have the years of social skills normies and Chads did and are behind. They have years of friends and social networks to tap into for college and beyond making it easier for them to make more friends, while for incels it’s brutal because they don’t have the social skills or friends to have a social life.

your correct to some degree but the social skills part is the easy part, you act like people have been living in isolated cave. We all have basic social skills. The thing is if you already have social circle/friend groups its easier to make new friends as folks want to team up with people who already have a decent social rank and have connections aka knowing other people.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

your correct to some degree but the social skills part is the easy part, you act like people have been living in isolated cave. We all have basic social skills. The thing is if you already have social circle/friend groups its easier to make new friends as folks want to team up with people who already have a decent social rank and have connections aka knowing other people.

I would say its more a problem of self esteem for me ngl.

I dont push myself into social groups and situations anymore. I know a couple of people i vibe with but i dont push to make a real friendship with them. Keep it at friendly acquaintce level.

Its brutal

 

[stamaster21]

I would say its more a problem of self esteem for me ngl.

I dont push myself into social groups and situations anymore. I know a couple of people i vibe with but i dont push to make a real friendship with them. Keep it at friendly acquaintce level.

Its brutal

i sense the reason you keep it at acquaintence level is because you believe this people don't want more.