believing in god is genuinely comical, think about it

[GoErOnFoids]

lol at trying to reasonably argue with religious people

The elites are all satanic so people believe there is a God

So that people are controlled

[High IQ]

high iq

 

[zhilwan_]

caged brah, ancient greeks knew this
muh miracles

LMAOOOO BAN THIS PEDOPHILIC NIGGER

Please I beg you learn something about puberty girls typically start puberty 1-2 years before boys

 

[alwazzab]

Please I beg you learn something about puberty girls typically start puberty 1-2 years before boys

nigga. He fucked a 9 year old. Married her at 6. Used his status as ”prophet” to convince her parents. This is as fucked up as can be.

You didnt answer the more theological points, because you know yourself we can not understand why god is such a retard.

 

[zhilwan_]

U need to stop using the world religion, its a history book and should be taken as that if anything. I reject the quran because it doesnt line up with the previous pillars.

Two books, written by the same people (israelites) about their history, their covanant with God. Following each other through the timeline perfectly.

The Quran cant be a new revelation in anyway shape or form, it doesnt add up because 1. it tries to follow the biblical timeline in a sense which already contradict itself, and 2. it doesnt follow the same pillars of the two biblical books, it keeps some things and changes others and why? because allegedly the bible was altered according to who? the Quran (slight translation mistakes are irrlevent)

So it just breaks down as a book that tries to associate itselfs with the bible but also completly builds on different pillars

Then your position is simply that revelation is closed after the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament. That’s a philosophical assumption, not something proven by the texts themselves.

Saying ‘the Qur’an can’t be revelation because it doesn’t follow the same pillars’ only works if you already assume the biblical framework is final. Jews use the exact same argument to reject the New Testament.

Islam isn’t trying to be a sequel written by Israelites it’s claiming to be a separate revelation that intentionally breaks from some biblical theology while aligning with earlier monotheism. You can reject that claim, but calling it incoherent just because it doesn’t submit to your chosen pillars is circular.

 

[accinr]

Then your position is simply that revelation is closed after the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament. That’s a philosophical assumption, not something proven by the texts themselves.

Saying ‘the Qur’an can’t be revelation because it doesn’t follow the same pillars’ only works if you already assume the biblical framework is final. Jews use the exact same argument to reject the New Testament.

Islam isn’t trying to be a sequel written by Israelites it’s claiming to be a separate revelation that intentionally breaks from some biblical theology while aligning with earlier monotheism. You can reject that claim, but calling it incoherent just because it doesn’t submit to your chosen pillars is circular.

dnrd islamcel, tales from the black rock in mecca

 

[zhilwan_]

nigga. He fucked a 9 year old. Married her at 6. Used his status as ”prophet” to convince her parents. This is as fucked up as can be.

You didnt answer the more theological points, because you know yourself we can not understand why god is such a retard.

If your argument is ‘by modern moral standards this is unacceptable, therefore I reject Muhammad,’ that’s a coherent position.

But adding insults, invented motives, and emotional language doesn’t strengthen it. It just replaces argument with outrage.

 

[Sayan.xdd]

it takes a TRUE idiot to believe in it

most people only follow it to cope, or for the morals, they think the morals that come with is good

or for simple philosophy, and live by it metaphorically

or just in case, they don’t wanna get thrown in hell

but imagine the idiots that genuinely believe and supposedly truly “love” god. it’s nearly impossible to love something you can’t truly sense, purely psychologically and biologically, so for you to convince yourself that hard it takes a lot of effort and stupidity, mirin dedication nonetheless.

refute the truthmaker-proposition deduction then

 

[Sayan.xdd]

If your argument is ‘by modern moral standards this is unacceptable, therefore I reject Muhammad,’ that’s a coherent position.

But adding insults, invented motives, and emotional language doesn’t strengthen it. It just replaces argument with outrage.

? he never appealed to modern moral standards jfl that’s a red herring. if a prophet is presented as a universal moral exemplar then his moral acts must be justified by principles that are trans-temporal and non-relative. otherwise the claim collapses into moral relativism where an action is "right" merely because of its historical context not because its morally right simpliciter

 

[alwazzab]

If your argument is ‘by modern moral standards this is unacceptable, therefore I reject Muhammad,’ that’s a coherent position.

But adding insults, invented motives, and emotional language doesn’t strengthen it. It just replaces argument with outrage.

By any standard, if you tell me a man is to follow for all man kind, then you should go to your local preschool and look at Mohammads type. See if you can justify to yourself marrying one.

Lets go over the theological points slowly. Did god know of my, and every man’s psychology, enviroment, values and destiny before creating then? You can not say no because then god is not omnipotent and you have just contradicted your religion. So then, god knowing ME AND WHERE I WOULD END UP, would make it his fault for me choosing not to worship him and dying on that. He created me knowing this. This is literally no different than god creating you with 2 buttons, knowing which one you would press, then when you press the wrong one, which he knew you would do, he sends you to hell.

God is also unjust in giving a select people direct evidence, then giving the rest of people a book. A fucking book. Same book that gets the embryonic development wrong. You can not force me to believe, because belief entails that I am in full convinced of something. I can not be fully convinced of a book. God knew this, and so god is retarded.

 

[Incelforeever]

Then your position is simply that revelation is closed after the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament. That’s a philosophical assumption, not something proven by the texts themselves.

Saying ‘the Qur’an can’t be revelation because it doesn’t follow the same pillars’ only works if you already assume the biblical framework is final. Jews use the exact same argument to reject the New Testament.

Islam isn’t trying to be a sequel written by Israelites it’s claiming to be a separate revelation that intentionally breaks from some biblical theology while aligning with earlier monotheism. You can reject that claim, but calling it incoherent just because it doesn’t submit to your chosen pillars is circular.

Jews do reject the new testmant but thats not from intelligence and reading it and breaking it down, its out of pride and ego. "My religion is true ur religion copy and its bullshit" but than again, people need to stop using that word religion, its not about that, its an historical book and thats exactly why the quran doesnt work.

"Islam isn’t trying to be a sequel written by Israelites it’s claiming to be a separate revelation" and this is exactly why it failes. This are the pillars that fall.

the quran confirms the bible yet contradicts it at the same time by existing.

Genesis 17:7 - I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.

"Everlasting", this is about the israelites, there is no new revelation its always been the same. Abraham decendents were chosen, and if they keep the laws they would be blessed, if not they would be cursed thats the principal and thats pretty much all we see throught the bible.
And when christ came he said it, "i only came for the lost sheep of the house of israel"

Now im not arguing if the bible is true or not, idk. Im arguing against religion in genral and against islam logicly making sense, thats all.


Im dont with this Convo so dont bother responding

 

[Deleted member 86840]

Calling believers idiots because they love something they can’t physically sense is weak reasoning. Humans love abstract things all the time justice, truth, freedom, nations, even future versions of themselves. None of those are biologically tangible are they?

create a imaginary dog in your head, a very loving loyal dog, imagine this dog has been with you all your life and try to love it, can you?

 

[Trevor Wonter]

what kind of god allows miscarriages and rape

nigga im not religious but the point is God gave you free will and how you use it determines your outcome i.e. heaven or hell

 

[death2foids]

Rope low iq

no response lol, please rope you’re taking up value resources that non-retards can use

 

[daunas]

Ethical hacker(Red team offensive sec) for 3 years, QA engineer for 2 years, Back-end developer for a year, degree in history and you'd actually cope hard to enough to think I'm an idiot for believing in world not just randomly falling into it's place, can hold a long discussion but it's not called out for

nah ur just flexing ur job.. (im jealous)

 

[Troo_]

it takes a TRUE idiot to believe in it

most people only follow it to cope, or for the morals, they think the morals that come with is good

or for simple philosophy, and live by it metaphorically

or just in case, they don’t wanna get thrown in hell

but imagine the idiots that genuinely believe and supposedly truly “love” god. it’s nearly impossible to love something you can’t truly sense, purely psychologically and biologically, so for you to convince yourself that hard it takes a lot of effort and stupidity, mirin dedication nonetheless.

Let's not hate on other people's beliefs and identities especially when you're clearly lacking in theology and critical thinking.

 

[glaw]

most people only follow it to cope, or for the morals, they think the morals that come with is good

Yes. When you become more objective and understand Biology, Evolution, Anatomy, and how similar we are to animals, there's no such things as morals in nature

It's still good to be a good person regardless, there's just no objective evidence to prove both if God exists or not, it relies on faith alone

It's weird how someone can have a good heart their entire life but they will go to hell if they don't believe in God

Compared to someone that believes in God and has done terrible atrocious things, they will go to heaven just for believing in God

It doesn't make sense, it is unfair.

 

[Rockwellian]

what kind of god allows miscarriages and rape

if he didn't allow it, free will wouldn't exist.

It's as simple as that

 

[alwazzab]

if he didn't allow it, free will wouldn't exist.

It's as simple as that

Nope, if you believe in christianity or islam, you would know that god has previously inflicted mass natural disasters onto previous populations for disobeying him. Did he push ”free will” aside there?

 

[nigger42069]

it takes a TRUE idiot to believe in it

most people only follow it to cope, or for the morals, they think the morals that come with is good

or for simple philosophy, and live by it metaphorically

or just in case, they don’t wanna get thrown in hell

but imagine the idiots that genuinely believe and supposedly truly “love” god. it’s nearly impossible to love something you can’t truly sense, purely psychologically and biologically, so for you to convince yourself that hard it takes a lot of effort and stupidity, mirin dedication nonetheless.

God's a sadist if he exists. We all want to believe there's an afterlife, but the truth is there's probably nothing. Eternal emptiness, like before you were born

 

[OldSpice]

9 can be puberty for girls btw

Well here is a simple one
Quran said water is a dominant figure of the earth
We know water is about 71% of the earth surface
Life comes from water and human cannot survive without it

9 is still a weird age to get married at bro

 

[Rockwellian]

Nope, if you believe in christianity or islam, you would know that god has previously inflicted mass natural disasters onto previous populations for disobeying him. Did he push ”free will” aside there?

Israel was under the covenant which is why it was punished so often.

The flood happened because everyone became evil.

Free will does not mean freedom from consequences

 

[alwazzab]

Israel was under the covenant which is why it was punished so often.

The flood happened because everyone became evil.

Free will does not mean freedom from consequences

either god can intervene in his creation or he cant. Which one is it? If he is all good and omnipotent, someone of that nature can only stop evil, but he doesn’t.

He can intervene and we know he can.

 

[Rockwellian]

either god can intervene in his creation or he cant. Which one is it? If he is all good and omnipotent, someone of that nature can only stop evil, but he doesn’t.

He can intervene and we know he can.

Nice false dilemma + ability ≠ obligation

If God were to remove all evil that individuals do, free will would cease to exist.

He helped/punished Israel because those were his chosen people, They voluntarily entered a covenant and that was on them.

Modern individuals are not under that covenant, it's not that hard to understand.

Also, allowing an action to exist is not the same as endorsing it