Benefits to running HCG or Enclo indefinitely?

[Saint Casanova]

If you take an AI as well ?
@pessimistic

 

[Saint Casanova]

Ip

 

[Saint Casanova]

Up

 

[Saint Casanova]

@UndiagnosedSchizo What do you think ?

 

[UndiagnosedSchizo]

@UndiagnosedSchizo What do you think ?

I think you should ask Arborist

 

[fatweewee123]

high test

 

[Saint Casanova]

high test

Of course, but you should take an AI indefinitely as well to avoid too high estrogen ?

 

[fatweewee123]

Of course, but you should take an AI indefinitely as well to avoid too high estrogen ?

yea if you take both i defiently recommend you take a strong ai such as letrozole because enclo and hcg increase e2 by a lot and try to get blood work done everyone 4-6 months to check on test and e2

 

[fatweewee123]

Of course, but you should take an AI indefinitely as well to avoid too high estrogen ?

you could also just take test instead

 

[Saint Casanova]

you could also just take test instead

This approach is best for a slight boost and it’s less harsh to the HPTA axis as you’re not shutting down natural T production.

 

[NerdcelThundercok]

what's the cycle for someone on fin? i need to gymmax to achieve anime look

 

[Saint Casanova]

what's the cycle for someone on fin? i need to gymmax to achieve anime look

Lowish test dose with sarms and/or var plus fat burners.

 

[Donkeyballs]

It's important to note that AI themselves also increase the amount of tetosterone in your body indirectly because no more tetosterone is being converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme.
Also, exemstane/aromasin amplifies your androgens even further because of the metabolite 17-hydroexemstane which interacts with androgen receptors and is proven to increase endogenous androgens and being quite potent.

 

[NerdcelThundercok]

Lowish test dose with sarms and/or var plus fat burners.

Fuark I need more muscle to became a 26 inch framemogger like Skywalker

 

[Saint Casanova]

Fuark I need more muscle to became a 26 inch framemogger like Skywalker

His bidelt doesn’t look close to 26inches. He just has a very tiny waist/hips

 

[Saint Casanova]

Fuark I need more muscle to became a 26 inch framemogger like Skywalker

 

[Deleted member 23391]

Don't take hcg indefinitely if you have a normal HPTA, it's for if you're taking it concurrently with steroids or have HPTA problems. As far as enclo, in theory there shouldn't be that much of an issue, but you can get vision sides from SERMs and other sides and you should take an AI with it to lower estradiol since your test production will be elevated (as you said you would do).

 

[Saint Casanova]

Don't take hcg indefinitely if you have a normal HPTA, it's for if you're taking it concurrently with steroids or have HPTA problems. As far as enclo, in theory there shouldn't be that much of an issue, but you can get vision sides from SERMs and other sides and you should take an AI with it to lower estradiol since your test production will be elevated (as you said you would do).

What AI should I take with enclo ? The mildest one ?

 

[Krakowski]

@MaestheticMaso who is wider, Jeff or Jon?

 

[Deleted member 23391]

What AI should I take with enclo ? The mildest one ?

aromasin

 

[Saint Casanova]

aromasin

Tamox isn’t good ?

 

[MongolTurk]

Of course, but you should take an AI indefinitely as well to avoid too high estrogen ?

taking an AI indefinitely is never a good idea

 

[Deleted member 23391]

Tamox isn’t good ?

tamoxifen isn't an AI, it's a SERM

 

[Saint Casanova]

tamoxifen isn't an AI, it's a SERM

Please give sources for AIs and should I use tamox or enclo ?

 

[Saint Casanova]

taking an AI indefinitely is never a good idea

There must be some sort of equilibrium you can reach where the enclo raises your estrogen but you manage it well enough with an AI?

 

[MongolTurk]

There must be some sort of equilibrium you can reach where the enclo raises your estrogen but you manage it well enough with an AI?

Try and go without it, AIs should be used as a backup plan if estrogen becomes an issue. High aromatase activity shouldn’t happen with hcg and enclomiphene

 

[Saint Casanova]

Try and go without it, AIs should be used as a backup plan if estrogen becomes an issue. High aromatase activity shouldn’t happen with hcg and enclomiphene

Hmmmm, over time there’s a high possibly due to instigation of the receptors.