Best eye surgeons in Europe?

[politically correct]

Can anyone recommend an occuloplastic surgeon based in Europe?

Ideally they would offer infraorbital rim implants as well as just the soft tissue stuff.

Planning to get a canthoplasty plus corner brow lift along with custom infraorbital-malar implants.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Have you seen enough infraorbital implants before and afters? Too expensive, and too few good results afaic.

 

[Silver]

Have you seen enough infraorbital implants before and afters? Too expensive, and too few good results afaic.

Off-the-shelf implants - sure
Custom designed implants - no

 

[Oberyn]

Have you seen enough infraorbital implants before and afters? Too expensive, and too few good results afaic.

I haven't seen a bad infraorbital implant result underwhelming maybe bad no. the worst case scenario you will never have eyebags in your life I'll take it

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Off-the-shelf implants - sure
Custom designed implants - no

Custom designed implants are extremely expensive. Eye area is the most important aspect of a male face.

A bad eye area would require risky and expensive surgeries like orbital decompression, MLF3, Eye color change to blue, etc

Go big or go home.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

I haven't seen a bad infraorbital implant result underwhelming maybe bad no. the worst case scenario you will never have eyebags in your life I'll take it

Then why not do fat grafts like @Lorsss? Infraorbital implants are like 20k.

 

[Oberyn]

Then why not do fat grafts like @Lorsss?

because custom infrabortial with saddle mogs. Vertical augmentation/ tight lower eyelid+permanent+more control

it's like 13-15k euro

 

[Silver]

Custom designed implants are extremely expensive. Eye area is the most important aspect of a male face.

A bad eye area would require risky and expensive surgeries like orbital decompression, MLF3, Eye color change to blue, etc

Go big or go home.

Nobody is doing anything of what you just listed. Nor is any surgeon willingly opening their arms and welcoming the typical PSL normie to have them undergo any of these surgeries because they are unhappy with their eye area. Custom designed infraorbital-malars with saddle can improve your lower eyelid aswell as give you the high cheekbone model look.

 

[Oberyn]

Nobody is doing anything of what you just listed. Nor is any surgeon willingly opening their arms and welcoming the typical PSL normie to have them undergo any of these surgeries because they are unhappy with their eye area. Custom designed infraorbital-malars with saddle can improve your lower eyelid aswell as give you the high cheekbone model look.

i don't agree with the malar part. most malar implant results look like shit.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Nobody is doing anything of what you just listed. Nor is any surgeon willingly opening their arms and welcoming the typical PSL normie to have them undergo any of these surgeries because they are unhappy with their eye area. Custom designed infraorbital-malars with saddle can improve your lower eyelid aswell as give you the high cheekbone model look.

Then you're very out of date.

I had modified lefort iii

I had modified lefort iii

jawsurgeryforums.com

Orbital decompression is an actual cosmetic surgery, so wrong again. Eye color change with laser too, wrong again. @Oberyn

Implants suck, mask the problem, and are too expensive.

 

[Silver]

i don't agree with the malar part. most malar implant results look like shit.

I don't know what results you've seen but if you go horizontally across the malar eminence and avoid any alteration to the submalar area then the implants produce the high cheekbone look. Even altering the zygomatic arch helps to complete the "package". In the end it all comes down to design and projection (placement too for silicone).

Then you're very out of date.

I had modified lefort iii

I had modified lefort iii

jawsurgeryforums.com

Orbital decompression is an actual cosmetic surgery, so wrong again. Eye color change with laser too, wrong again. @Oberyn

Implants suck, mask the problem, and are too expensive.

Dr. Sinn is retired AFAIK, the only hope PSL had has retired LUL.

 

[Oberyn]

Then you're very out of date.

I had modified lefort iii

I had modified lefort iii

jawsurgeryforums.com

Orbital decompression is an actual cosmetic surgery, so wrong again. Eye color change with laser too, wrong again. @Oberyn

Implants suck, mask the problem, and are too expensive.

who cares it's permanent anyway. Foids paint masks on their face every day no one cares. It is not like you are changing your genetics with bone surgeries.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

I don't what results you've seen but if you go horizontally across the malar eminence and avoid any alteration to the submalar area then the implants produce the high cheekbone look. Even altering the zygomatic arch helps to complete the "package". In the end it all comes down to design and projection (placement too for silicone).

Dr. Sinn is retired AFAIK, the only hope PSL had has retired LUL.

And who told you that he's the only one who will do it lol. Anyone with experience doing Lf3 will do infraorbital osteotomies if you pay him enough. Sinn worked at cranofacial unit at a hospital.

Dr A from Russia offer high cut Lf1 (includes Iinfras) and Q Lf2.

@Oberyn implants get reabsorbed from the bone after a while. Plus the area below the eyes will look uncanny. You'll need a fortune to pay the grifter surgeon for more midface implants to mask the problem and still manage to look shit

 

[Silver]

And who told you that he's the only one who will do it lol. Anyone with experience doing Lf3 will do infraorbital osteotomies if you pay him enough. Sinn worked at cranofacial unit at a hospital.

Dr A from Russia offer high cut Lf1 and Lf2.

High Le Fort 1 doesn't go that high up to alter the eye area, only decent for midface projection. LF2 shouldn't alter eyes, maybe they do alter the medial part but IDK since I haven't looked into it. Anyways we are derailing his thread.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

High Le Fort 1 doesn't go that high up to alter the eye area, only decent for midface projection. LF2 shouldn't alter eyes, maybe they do alter the medial part but IDK since I haven't looked into it. Anyways we are derailing his thread.

Nope it does include infraobritals if the surgeon cuts high enough. The second is called Quadrangular Lefort 2

 

[Silver]

Nope it does include infraobritals.

High Le Fort 1 does not include the infraorbitals, you've just looked at shitty illustrations. From what I've seen and from VSP's the high Le Fort 1 does not extend that far up.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

High Le Fort 1 does not include the infraorbitals, you've just looked at shitty illustrations. From what I've seen and from VSP's the high Le Fort 1 does not extend that far up.

Semantics. Dr A will move the whole maxilla area from the upper jaw to the infraorbitals during a traditional bimax. Call it however you want.

You're still wrong about Quadrangular Lefort 2 not affecting the eyes.

 

[Silver]

Semantics. Dr A will move the whole maxilla area from the upper jaw to the infraorbitals during a traditional bimax. Call it however you want.

You're still wrong about Quadrangular Lefort 2 not affecting the eyes.

You mentioned Le Fort 2, no mention of QUADRANGULAR in your initial comment which you then edited to add to

 

[Deleted member 18849]

You mentioned Le Fort 2, no mention of QUADRANGULAR in your initial comment which you then edited to add to

Even regular Lf2 affects the eyes, just not as much. And so what it's a variation of it. Just like there are different kinds of Lf1s. Still correct unedited.

Say again, that no one is getting, MFL3, orbital decompression or eye color changing surgery?

L.

 

[Silver]

Even regular Lf2 affects the eyes, just not as much. And so what it's a variation of it. Just like there are different kinds of Lf1s. Still correct unedited.

My response to your unedited comment was "LF2 shouldn't alter eyes, maybe they do alter the medial part but IDK since I haven't looked into it." I never dismissed that Le Fort 2 doesn't alter the eyes at all.

Say again, that no one is getting, MFL3, orbital decompression or eye color changing surgery?

No one is getting it, had someone gotten it we'd have seen a post about it. That Dr. Sinn thread from JSF is the only reported case and PSL:ers have been reposting it ever since. Why are we never posting any other cases? Ahh.. because there are none.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

My response to your unedited comment was "LF2 shouldn't alter eyes, maybe they do alter the medial part but IDK since I haven't looked into it." I never dismissed that Le Fort 2 doesn't alter the eyes at all.

Then don't type why muh you edited Lf2.

No one is getting it, had someone gotten it we'd have seen a post about it. That Dr. Sinn thread from JSF is the only reported case and PSL:ers have been reposting it ever since. Why are we never posting any other cases? Ahh.. because there are none.

Because no one has the balls do it or they remain "anonymous". Dr. A is literally offering Lf2 affecting the orbitals for cosmetic reasons. Get over it.

 

[Silver]

Then don't why muh you edited Lf2.

Because no one has the balls do it or they remain anonymous. Dr. A is literally offering Lf2 affecting the orbitals for cosmetic reasons. Get over it.

Why would someone go to a butcher? Why are you just throwing around the name Dr. A like he's some world renown perfect surgeon. If you looked him up you'd know he's a butcher.

Come to my clinic I offer LF3 too. Add me to the list of LF3 providers. I will alter your eye area for you.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Why would someone go to a butcher? Why are you just throwing around the name Dr. A like he's some world renown perfect surgeon. If you looked him up you'd know he's a butcher.

Come to my clinic I offer LF3 too. Add me to the list of LF3 providers. I will alter your eye area for you.

"Butcher". He's got some good results including users from here. Earl found one, no reason you can't find others. RealSurgeryMax even agrees it's possible to get doctors perform MLF3 on you for cosmetic reasons.

Your comment was that no one's is going to get the 3 surgeries

1) MFL3/infra osteotomy
2) Keratopigmentation with laser for eye color change
3) Orbital decompression

So far 0/3. I don't give a shit if you want to cope with crappy implants masking the problem. Your post was wrong.

 

[Silver]

"Butcher". He's got some good results including users from here. Earl found one, no reason you can't find others. RealSurgeryMax even agrees it's possible to get doctors perform MLF3 on you for cosmetic reasons.

Your comment was that no one's is going to get the 3 surgeries

1) MFL3/infra osteotomy
2) Keratopigmentation with laser for eye color change
3) Orbital decompression

So far 0/3. I don't give a shit if you want to cope with crappy implants masking the problem. Your post was wrong.

Had there been anyone getting any of those surgeries we'd have threads of it. The lack of documentation speaks for itself. Getting a surgeon to agree to perform MLF3 and having it done is two complete different sides. You'd have to be subhuman to have any surgeon agree to perform MLF3 on you. The average normie don't have this "luxury" (lul) and will have to alter the eye area with alloplastics.

Count this as a "win" or whatever over me. This constant back-and-forth is not helping anyone here and we've completely derailed @politically correct's thread. This'll be my last post here.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Had there been anyone getting any of those surgeries we'd have threads of it. The lack of documentation speaks for itself. Getting a surgeon to agree to perform MLF3 and having it done is two complete different sides. You'd have to be subhuman to have any surgeon agree to perform MLF3 on you. The average normie don't have this "luxury" lul and will have to alter the eye area with alloplastics.

Earl who got it wasn't a subhuman. He just found an experienced surgeon at doing Lefort 3s for medical reasons, that agreed to do a way easier modified version of it. Payed 17k which now means 25k or something. He also posted photos. There multiple photos of variations of Lefort 2/3 online that's not clear they got it for cranofacial dystrophy or because of accident.

With your logic no one would know Side Wing Osteotomy exists, because you can't really find photos online yet it does.

 

[deepweb1298]

im going for a consult this week with this eye surgeon:

Eye Surgeon London | Oculoplastic Surgeon London | Daniel Ezra

Daniel Ezra is an acclaimed oculoplastic surgeon in London, specialising in all aspects of cosmetic and reconstructive eyelid surgery.

www.danielezra.co.uk

Supposedly one of the best, also his consults are booked up for the next year so he is very sought after

 

[politically correct]

im going for a consult this week with this eye surgeon:

Eye Surgeon London | Oculoplastic Surgeon London | Daniel Ezra

Daniel Ezra is an acclaimed oculoplastic surgeon in London, specialising in all aspects of cosmetic and reconstructive eyelid surgery.

www.danielezra.co.uk

Supposedly one of the best, also his consults are booked up for the next year so he is very sought after

thanks, his website says nothing about implants though? im london based so he would be ideal, but thats the main reason i didnt reach out to him

have requested a consult with taban

 

[deepweb1298]

thanks, his website says nothing about implants though? im london based so he would be ideal, but thats the main reason i didnt reach out to him

have requested a consult with taban

yeah dont think he does implants

 

[ChristianChad]

Earl who got it wasn't a subhuman. He just found an experienced surgeon at doing Lefort 3s for medical reasons, that agreed to do a way easier modified version of it. Payed 17k which now means 25k or something. He also posted photos. There multiple photos of variations of Lefort 2/3 online that's not clear they got it for cranofacial dystrophy or because of accident.

With your logic no one would know Side Wing Osteotomy exists, because you can't really find photos online yet it does.

where are the photos on the thread you linked?

 

[Deleted member 16683]

Nobody is doing anything of what you just listed. Nor is any surgeon willingly opening their arms and welcoming the typical PSL normie to have them undergo any of these surgeries because they are unhappy with their eye area. Custom designed infraorbital-malars with saddle can improve your lower eyelid aswell as give you the high cheekbone model look.

does ramieri do this

 

[Deleted member 16683]

Then you're very out of date.

I had modified lefort iii

I had modified lefort iii

jawsurgeryforums.com

Orbital decompression is an actual cosmetic surgery, so wrong again. Eye color change with laser too, wrong again. @Oberyn

Implants suck, mask the problem, and are too expensive.

that blog post doesn't even have pics

 

[Deleted member 18849]

where are the photos on the thread you linked?

Removed by admins. There are other photos online with similar infraorbital movements.
@skinnytwink

 

[politically correct]

does ramieri do this

he does infraorbital rim implants, but hes not an eye doctor. I spoke to him and he's planning a future partnership with an occuloplastic surgeon but he doesnt know how long it will be

 

[SubhumanityForce]

Off-the-shelf implants - sure
Custom designed implants - no

how do you know this

 

[SubhumanityForce]

Then you're very out of date.

I had modified lefort iii

I had modified lefort iii

jawsurgeryforums.com

Orbital decompression is an actual cosmetic surgery, so wrong again. Eye color change with laser too, wrong again. @Oberyn

Implants suck, mask the problem, and are too expensive.

im trying to understand why implants suck.
Lets say you are missing 5 or 6mm of anterior projection on your infraorbitals.
You put an implant (which is not 2d, it has volume) to push the skin and muscles (if i understand, it is placed below the muscles, right?) 5 or 6mm forwards?
How that would be any different than having an actual bone there?

 

[Deleted member 18849]

im trying to understand why implants suck.
Lets say you are missing 5 or 6mm of anterior projection on your infraorbitals.
You put an implant (which is not 2d, it has volume) to push the skin and muscles (if i understand, it is placed below the muscles, right?) 5 or 6mm forwards?
How that would be any different than having an actual bone there?

They can't really mimic the bone because you have the nose that is stationary, paranasal area, malar region. The whole maxilla is back.

MLF3 would typically be accompanied with a Lefort 2 first. You can't get Lefort 3 cosmetically so the idea is to "split" it in 2 surgeries.

In other words, Lefort 3 = Modified Lefort 3 + Lefort 2.

 

[SubhumanityForce]

They can't really mimic the bone because you have the nose that is stationary, paranasal area, malar region. The whole maxilla is back.

MLF3 would typically be accompanied with a Lefort 2 first. You can't get Lefort 3 cosmetically so the idea is to "split" it in 2 surgeries.

In other words, Lefort 3 = Modified Lefort 3 + Lefort 2.

yes, but unless you have an asian 404 nasal bridge, anything else can be done (para nasal implants, infraorbital-malar region etc>
Of course in my case, it would look better to have a more forward projected nose (Cavill, Bale tier) so supraorbital implants blend smoothly with the nasion, and you won't look like an ogree neanderthal if you get them (supra implants i mean)
But there are many moggers with not superman tier nasal bridge (sommerhalder for instance)

 

[Deleted member 18849]

yes, but unless you have an asian 404 nasal bridge, anything else can be done (para nasal implants, infraorbital-malar region etc>
Of course in my case, it would look better to have a more forward projected nose (Cavill, Bale tier) so supraorbital implants blend smoothly with the nasion, and you won't look like an ogree neanderthal if you get them (supra implants i mean)
But there are many moggers with not superman tier nasal bridge (sommerhalder for instance)

Somerhalder did orbital decompression though,

which is essentially a form of upper Lefort 3 look alike, because with it your nose and orbitals, and zygos appear more forward grown. Eyeball is a strong point of reference for forward growth.

The problem with implants is that not only they do not move the areas I mentioned in the previous comment, but also balance off the harmony. It's different places of the face advances whereas with leforts it's pretty much your whole face.

Implants suck is an exaggeration, in relation to LF2 and MLF3 they do. Of course if you can't get Leforts, implants are better than nothing.

 

[Sanguinius]

Anyone have any actual recommendations? I’m curious too

 

[politically correct]

Anyone have any actual recommendations? I’m curious too

Bernardini is known to be one of the best

https://www.instagram.com/oculoplasticabernardini/?hl=en