Best oral pharmaceuticals for looksmaxxing?

[Public Enemy]

What else can I add to optimise my looks in terms of pharma products?

Current stack:

Currently using
Minoxidil (2.5mg) & Dutasteride (1mg)
for eyelashes eyebrow and hair & facial hair growth.

Eplerenone (25mg) to counter bloating and look sharp with hollow cheeks

Reta (4ml) for staying lean and fight with food urges

MT1 for tan but I just started so can't say a lot yet..

Also does increasing the Minoxidil dose from 2.5 to 5mg do any good?

 

[brutalbateman]

What else can I add to optimise my looks in terms of pharma products?

Current stack:

Currently using
Minoxidil (2.5mg) & Dutasteride (1mg)

You may want to consider enclomiphene. You're increasing your natural testosterone production with pretty much no negative side effects(do your own research obv), who doesn't want higher test at basically no expense? You may want to reconsider the oral dutasteride, if you are under 25 your just stunting your development indefinitely, for a pretty much negligible increase in efficacy. Just pair the minox and topical dut with an anti-androgen like Ru58841, or even adding in PP405. Upping the minox will def improve results, but after a certain point, you'll get diminishing returns. Hope this helps brotha, Rep+mark as solution if satisfied

 

[bddcoper]

Why the fuck would I tell you retarded faggot

 

[exsttttt]

wheres the test pussy

 

[exsttttt]

You may want to consider enclomiphene. You're increasing your natural testosterone production with pretty much no negative side effects(do your own research obv), who doesn't want higher test at basically no expense? You may want to reconsider the oral dutasteride, if you are under 25 your just stunting your development indefinitely

bohoo nigga dont give advice when u dont even know what ur talking about, enclo sure raises test, but it also spikes ur shbg, and skyrockets e2 ( both proven by bw when i was a moron back then) , if u want gyno with none of the benefits that exogenous testosterone has, then its for u, secondly, oral duta is one of the most if not the most effective anti hair loss compound out there, u really aint gonna get much out of dht interms of penile growth after like 16, after that its not as important for development, inhibiting 5ar would tank neurosteroid production, but that doesnt mean its outright bad to take, even low dosing dut is effective enough without as much neurosteroid reduction as higher doses induce.

 

[brutalbateman]

bohoo nigga dont give advice when u dont even know what ur talking about, enclo sure raises test, but it also spikes ur shbg, and skyrockets e2 ( both proven by bw when i was a moron back then) , if u want gyno with none of the benefits that exogenous testosterone has, then its for u, secondly, oral duta is one of the most if not the most effective anti hair loss compound out there, u really aint gonna get much out of dht interms of penile growth after like 16, after that its not as important for development, inhibiting 5ar would tank neurosteroid production, but that doesnt mean its outright bad to take, even low dosing dut is effective enough without as much neurosteroid reduction as higher doses induce.

Appreciate the input bro, but let's clarify a few things with actual data instead of just personal bloodwork. Yeah, you're right that enclo can spike E2 and sometimes raise SHBG in some guys. It's not a free and isn't the same as an exogenous test. That part is fair. Still, for guys with low-normal T who want to boost natural production without shutting down HPTA, it's worth getting bloodwork and seeing how you respond personally. Not everyone gets wrecked E2/SHBG. Onto oral dut, beard keeps filling in for most guys well into the mid-20s to early 30s, dut is the main driver of that(obv test can help in it but its not as potent as you already know). You're right, it's highly effective. But it does give strong systemic DHT suppression, which some guys prefer to avoid if beard density or neurosteroids are a concern. That's why switching to topical dutasteride (or lower dose) + something like RU58841 can still supresss dht where it matters while keeping more circulating DHT for further development. Not saying oral is "bad," just that there are smarter ways to optimize if you're still young and want max masculine development. What were your specific numbers on enclo that fucked you? Mb with the oversimplifications+lack of clarity, I believe ppl should do their own research, I just like pointing them in a helpful direction.

 

[exsttttt]

Appreciate the input bro, but let's clarify a few things with actual data instead of just personal bloodwork. Yeah, you're right that enclo can spike E2 and sometimes raise SHBG in some guys. It's not a free and isn't the same as an exogenous test. That part is fair. Still, for guys with low-normal T who want to boost natural production without shutting down HPTA, it's worth getting bloodwork and seeing how you respond personally. Not everyone gets wrecked E2/SHBG. Onto oral dut, beard keeps filling in for most guys well into the mid-20s to early 30s, dut is the main driver of that(obv test can help in it but its not as potent as you already know). You're right, it's highly effective. But it does give strong systemic DHT suppression, which some guys prefer to avoid if beard density or neurosteroids are a concern. That's why switching to topical dutasteride (or lower dose) + something like RU58841 can still supresss dht where it matters while keeping more circulating DHT for further development. Not saying oral is "bad," just that there are smarter ways to optimize if you're still young and want max masculine development. What were your specific numbers on enclo that fucked you? Mb with the oversimplifications+lack of clarity, I believe ppl should do their own research, I just like pointing them in a helpful direction.

firstly, my points were based on data, not just personal experience, enclo is a dogshit compound, it surely would raise total test but absolutely not free test, for your second point, not everyone wants beards, and topical dutasteride has shit penetration into the scalp unless u enhance the carrier, and low dose oral/systemic dut still mogs topical, as for RU, it doesnt have much consistency, especially interms of reversing hairloss from what ive seen, whereas dut has been around for 2 decades with known efficacy and predictability, however pp405 does seem promising.

for ur question regarding my bw results, it was like 900 test or some, but dogshit free test, im fairly sure it was lower than when i started taking it even, but it was years ago so i dont quite remember exactly what it was in ng, but e2 was high out of range.

 

[brutalbateman]

firstly, my points were based on data, not just personal experience, enclo is a dogshit compound, it surely would raise total test but absolutely not free test, for your second point, not everyone wants beards, and topical dutasteride has shit penetration into the scalp unless u enhance the carrier, and low dose oral/systemic dut still mogs topical, as for RU, it doesnt have much consistency, especially interms of reversing hairloss from what ive seen, whereas dut has been around for 2 decades with known efficacy and predictability, however pp405 does seem promising.

for ur question regarding my bw results, it was like 900 test or some, but dogshit free test, im fairly sure it was lower than when i started taking it even, but it was years ago so i dont quite remember exactly what it was in ng, but e2 was high out of range.

I definitely would not say it's dog shit, multiple clinical studies show enclomiphene typically increases both total and free testosterone in most hypogonadal men, with many seeing decent free T gains. SHBG changes are mixed (sometimes stable or even lower due to higher androgens). Valid point with the beard. Not everyone prioritizes beard thickness. If your main goal is just scalp hair + lashes/brows, then strong systemic DHT suppression from oral makes sense. I was merely commenting on development, which beard growth is a part of. Plain topical dutasteride often has weaker scalp penetration and less reliable DHT suppression in the follicle compared to oral unless you use good vehicles, higher concentrations, microneedling, or mesotherapy. Recent Phase 2 data on low-dose topical dut looks promising (even beating oral fin in one trial with minimal systemic DHT drop), but oral dutasteride (even low dose) is still generally more predictable and potent for aggressive hair loss right now. But yk why would you only use topical dut without enhancing the carrier it doesn't make sense. For me its a given. We mostly agree I just didn't communicate clearly enough.

Going back to ur bw, what was ur base test and how old were u when you got the first panel and then the second?