Best proof that androgens make u shorter regardless if they aromatize or not

"19 nors like tren will make u shorter DESPITE if they aromatize or not"

proceeds to show a study on norethandrolone which aromatizes and also raises prolactin, of course they ended up with stunted height :lul:
 
"19 nors like tren will make u shorter DESPITE if they aromatize or not"

proceeds to show a study on norethandrolone which aromatizes and also raises prolactin, of course they ended up with stunted height :lul:
is prolactin the maturing factor in your bones? i don’t get it please elaborate
 
is prolactin the maturing factor in your bones? i don’t get it please elaborate
i was mainly talking about it aromatising into estrogen which is the main reason for closure

pretty sure excess prolactin also plays a part in it too
 
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"19 nors like tren will make u shorter DESPITE if they aromatize or not"

proceeds to show a study on norethandrolone which aromatizes and also raises prolactin, of course they ended up with stunted height :lul:
oh so its the prolactin totally not the high binding potent androgen

got it:ogre:
 
oh so its the prolactin totally not the high binding potent androgen

got it:ogre:
i first mentioned the aromatisation to estrogen seems like you intentionally ignored it

androgens barely mature plates at all if youve read the aromatase deficiency studies where males have high test and still grow into their 20s-30s, growth plate closure from an androgen that binds 2-3x more to the androgen receptor (like norethandrolone) than test wouldnt close the growth plates in a few months :lul:

the kids' growth plates most likely closed due to not managing e2 not them being exposed to a strong androgen plus norethandrolone is an aromatising steroid which means even with an aromatase inhibitor the growth plates would still close due to local e2

thats why using a non aromatising steroid like tren paired with a very low dose of test (sub70mg pw) is advised for height growth since local e2 at the growth plate wont be elevated as long as systemic e2 resulting from the test dose is nuked completely
 
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i first mentioned the aromatisation to estrogen seems like you intentionally ignored it

androgens barely mature plates at all if youve read the aromatase deficiency studies where males have high test and still grow into their 20s-30s, growth plate closure from an androgen that binds 2-3x more to the androgen receptor (like norethandrolone) than test wouldnt close the growth plates in a few months :lul:

the kids' growth plates most likely closed due to not managing e2 not them being exposed to a strong androgen plus norethandrolone is an aromatising steroid which means even with an aromatase inhibitor the growth plates would still close due to local e2

thats why using a non aromatising steroid like tren paired with a very low dose of test (sub70mg pw) is advised for height growth since local e2 at the growth plate wont be elevated as long as systemic e2 resulting from the test dose is nuked completely
i have other threads where i talk abt tren making animal models and rodents shorter look at those too,

androgens mature ur plates as u could see in those other studies
 

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