Biggest looksmax mistake i did so far. Nasolabial fold filler

[Corleone]

Ok lets agree to disagree.

lets do that.

But personally i think this filler hate should stop, cause IMO people do unnecessary stuff like implants, when their issues could be solved in 15 minutes by one syringe of Voluma.

I've had fillers myself, bro. I'm not hating on them by any means. but there are obvious draw-backs that have to be kept in mind, imo. That's why I'm looking to get a more permanent solution in implants in the future.

 

[stressftw]

Thanks for the input.

After long research i came to conclusion that any type of volume on midface should be through fat grafting or implants. I would never mess with nasolabial area, but i can attest that although kinda invasive and unpredictable, Periorbital fat grafting solved my negative orbital vector, improved my midface and the "weight" of it havent caused any folds but tremendously improved the quality of the skin around my eyes that used to be thin, the "plump" fuller look under the eyes in opposite of how bony and hollow it was before is aesthetic and youthful. To be honest, i found fat grafting to be a fountain of youth for periorbital area and ill keep doing it throughout the years if i need to

 

[Truemaxxer]

I had fillers in cheek area. All stayed where it was supposed to stay. No migration. Felt like real bone.

which filler was used
Would also appreciate if you could share before and after

 

[Artemis]

which filler was used

Voluma 1ml each side, cheekbone, and 0.5 per side Volbella undereye. Everything on the bone

 

[Truemaxxer]

Voluma 1ml each side, cheekbone, and 0.5 per side Volbella undereye. Everything on the bone

How do you do undereyefillers on the bone

 

[HighClassMaxing]

pics or cope

 

[Artemis]

How do you do undereyefillers on the bone

You will understand, it is painful. Pretty much the needle is scratching your bone putting the product onto the periosteum.

Undereye is pretty much 2 bones: maxilla + cheekbone. So, you poke these 2 bones with the needle

 

[Truemaxxer]

You will understand, it is painful. Pretty much the needle is scratching your bone putting the product onto the periosteum.

Undereye is pretty much 2 bones: maxilla + cheekbone. So, you poke these 2 bones with the needle

cant it go post the orbital septum like that and cause a lot of problems?

Is your surgeon european?

 

[Artemis]

cant it go post the orbital septum like that and cause a lot of problems?

I don't think so. It is done on the bone of the orbital rim... septum starts above the bone. If the surgeon is an idiot, and accidentally slips from the bone... but then he can mutilate you in 1000 other ways too.

Is your surgeon european?

Yes.

 

[SteveRogers]

Not really. Mine are where they were 6 months ago.

Fillers on the bone do NOT migrate. Fact.

Legit? So chin fillers won’t migrate? They’ll just slowly dissolve?

 

[Deleted member 22623]

Legit? So chin fillers won’t migrate? They’ll just slowly dissolve?

There is really no end all answer to this. It's not black and white. You can have partial migration, full migration or no migration at all (my understanding). It depends on the experience of your practitioner, the level of which the filler is injected, how careful you are for the first hours post injection when the filler settles and a bunch of other things. To minimize risks of migration, choose an experienced injector and go slow.

 

[chigoha]

wait are you saying nasolabial folds fillers increased your nasal projection ? lifefuel if true since my nose is a bit retruded

 

[Artemis]

Legit? So chin fillers won’t migrate? They’ll just slowly dissolve?

No, they don't unless your practitioner fucks up.

Just make sure that the filler is injected on the bone, not in the soft tissue. Such products would usually be Voluma, Volux or Radiesse (non-dissolvable, do not recommend)

Yes they will slowly dissolve with time. How long it takes depends on your body.

 

[SteveRogers]

No, they don't unless your practitioner fucks up.

Just make sure that the filler is injected on the bone, not in the soft tissue. Such products would usually be Voluma, Volux or Radiesse (non-dissolvable, do not recommend)

Yes they will slowly dissolve with time. How long it takes depends on your body.

Got it, thanks heaps for the wisdom.
Yeah my practitioner is very well respected, she seems pretty blackpilled tbh.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

I desperately need trimax

 

[Mr.Proper]

Nasolabial area is known to be messy in case of both fillers and fat grafting (one of few areas where it can be not permanent), would like to know the solution to folds myself (they ain't deep, thankfully, more like a fine lines, maybe skin care can get rid if them).

 

[WagedandReady]

that's the only respectable take on fillers. They are mostly reversible, less risky and much more predictable in their outcome.

but well placed implants will always be a better long-term solution.

My biggest concern (specifically looking at infra implants) is how will an implant’s placement maintain as the underlying/supporting bone deteriorates and the soft tissue, surrounding fat, and skin also shift around it? Does the implant contour become more harsh? Do you have to then get filler just to “recamouflage”, or entirely new implants?

 

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[Account717]

Nasolabial folds are mostly caused by dropped down orbital fad pad and ecxess fat in the nasolabial area. By filling the fold you just add more volume. You will have less folds, but more bloatface in the end. Its a trade off.

[serious] why dont they just instead remove the excess fat?

 

[kalefartbomb]

It is literally detectable.

Explain to me how people end up like this, if your fillers dissolve on their own:

These twins have implants. Seriously you are making an argument for implants being superior to fillers by using the posterchild of botched implants?

Fillers aren't all equal. Softer filler is more likely to migrate in certain locations but dissolves quicker. Women often end up with weird duck lips after fillers as it migrates only a few mm outside the lips but it's enough to make them look strange. A harder filler somewhere on bone like the nose or the jaw isn't going to migrate much if at all, and a filler like PMMA which is completely non-biodegradable will be permanent, like Rich Piana's "muscles".

 

[Corleone]

These twins have implants. Seriously you are making an argument for implants being superior to fillers by using the posterchild of botched implants?

implants:

after they added fillers to the mix, not a single implant in the world will give your face that much volume:

Fillers aren't all equal. Softer filler is more likely to migrate in certain locations but dissolves quicker. Women often end up with weird duck lips after fillers as it migrates only a few mm outside the lips but it's enough to make them look strange.

yes.

A harder filler somewhere on bone like the nose or the jaw isn't going to migrate much if at all, and a filler like PMMA which is completely non-biodegradable will be permanent, like Rich Piana's "muscles".

you're making my argument for me, even hard fillers migrate over time, even if injected on the bone, losing the initial sharpness men usually want to achieve with fillers over time, and as they are less degradable than even hyaluronic acid fillers, you'll have to get "refilled" to achieve the initial sharp result, while adding more and more volume to your face over time = bloating up

It's something different if you get fillers to compensate a loss in volume due to aging, but bone structure augmentation with fillers isn't sustainable over time.

 

[SkinnyTwinkFag]

Not really. The point is: there is only undetectable quantity remaining. Adding up is the same as adding to naked bone. No difference in cosmetic outcome.

If it’s undetectable then how’s it detected. After 3 years of pandemic you still put so much faith in doctors?

 

[RAITEIII]

brutal.

what's the best way to fix nasolabial folds then if not filler? or do you think if it was 0.5ml instead of 1ml it would've been a totally diff story?

You analyse what structure can help you the most. if I had more zygo mass it would stretch and remove part of the nasolabial. Also careful with how u sleep. I removed mine by sleeping on the floor. The bed and some type of pillow fuck me up

Well, how come we ve been discussing this so long, and you are still asking this question?

FILLERS DONE ON PERIOSTEUM cannot migrate ANYWHERE outside of the bone they were injected into. ANd they cannot migrate inside the bone sheath either, because they are under high pressure there.

FILLERS DONE IN SOFT TISSUE sit in the muscle/fat layers. NOT IN THE BONE. They can migrate. Lips is the most common location for this.

THESE ARE 2 DIFFERENT FILLER TECHNIQUES.

Males in most cases do injections on the bone. These do not migrate anywhere.

Soft-tissue filler, like lips, NLfolds, marionette lines, wrinkles, nose, and submalar fillers CAN migrate. and probably do.

I didnt know this information. Will research. Getting fillers next month if true.

 

[RAITEIII]

Ok lets agree to disagree.

But personally i think this filler hate should stop, cause IMO people do unnecessary stuff like implants, when their issues could be solved in 15 minutes by one syringe of Voluma.

Giga agreed.

But may you provide any source information about what ur saying?

 

[RAITEIII]

Its true also that you can dissolve.

The key about implanta and fillers is what you want. You shouldn't seek to create something that was never there with fillers because u will need huge amounts. Which is more risky. Fillers is about enhancing what you have. Im sure models have some fillers.

 

[looksseg]

implants:
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after they added fillers to the mix, not a single implant in the world will give your face that much volume:
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yes.

you're making my argument for me, even hard fillers migrate over time, even if injected on the bone, losing the initial sharpness men usually want to achieve with fillers over time, and as they are less degradable than even hyaluronic acid fillers, you'll have to get "refilled" to achieve the initial sharp result, while adding more and more volume to your face over time = bloating up

It's something different if you get fillers to compensate a loss in volume due to aging, but bone structure augmentation with fillers isn't sustainable over time.

And what do you think about fillers for treating dark circles, the tear drop fillers? (Which are naturally in a low volume, as this area doesnt require volume such as cheekbone, chin and jaw)

I took fillers 2, long time ago, and in my experience was also fine, but its hard to know if they migrated, dissolved or whatever. My impression is that they were mostly dissolved, but some small amount remained in the areas. The surgeon who applied recommended reapply in 1.5 year, instead of the traditional 6 months or 1 year, and said that with time less and less fillers are needed, because fillers arent fully dissolved in 1.5 year.

 

[Skywalker]

read it as "nasolabial foid filler"

 

[Artemis]

Giga agreed.

But may you provide any source information about what ur saying?

If you can specify what part you want information about, then maybe i can find info for you.

 

[Artemis]

If it’s undetectable then how’s it detected. After 3 years of pandemic you still put so much faith in doctors?

It is detected in MRI. It shows even the amounts size of a needle tip... which make no difference whatsoever in terms of refilling or aesthetics.

 

[RAITEIII]

If you can specify what part you want information about, then maybe i can find info for you.

"FILLERS DONE ON PERIOSTEUM cannot migrate ANYWHERE outside of the bone they were injected into. ANd they cannot migrate inside the bone sheath either, because they are under high pressure there."

 

[Artemis]

"FILLERS DONE ON PERIOSTEUM cannot migrate ANYWHERE outside of the bone they were injected into. ANd they cannot migrate inside the bone sheath either, because they are under high pressure there."