Bimax with Pagnoni

[looksmin]

How is Pagnoni's bimax? I know that he's the first choice for anything cheekbones and above, but does Ramieri mog when it comes to bimax?

 

[Deleted member 2729]

I need to know too

 

[poopmaster22]

Same

 

[looksmin]

He seemed very nice and knowledgable in my consultation with him. But most of the before and afters that he showed me were of people who were seriously deformed so pretty frauded results. One pro to going with him is that he offers a lot of different surgeries all together

 

[looksmin]

Plus there's a guy who got botched on here, but seeing he was mentally ill I might let that slide.

 

[Deleted member 16501]

I'm considering the whole works with him

Bimax plus orbital implants

He showed me some good before and afters

 

[looksmin]

I'm considering the whole works with him

Bimax plus orbital implants

He showed me some good before and afters

Weren't some of them kinda underwhelming though? None of them looked as good as even an average Alfaro one.

 

[looksmin]

I'll be having a consultation with Ramieri and possibly Alfaro too. I'll just have to compare their results and see.

 

[poopmaster22]

I'll be having a consultation with Ramieri and possibly Alfaro too. I'll just have to compare their results and see.

Keep me updated

 

[looksmin]

Keep me updated

For sure! And Vice versa

 

[poopmaster22]

For sure! And Vice versa

Yessir Chief

 

[Deleted member 16501]

Weren't some of them kinda underwhelming though? None of them looked as good as even an average Alfaro one.

Yeah one of them was underwhelming.

One long midface guy who sort of looked like me ascended 1.5 psl points with just trimax.

I'm looking at alfaro instagram now, he has some mogger results.

I am booking a CT scan today and will get plans from Pagnoni, Ramieri and Alfaro.

 

[looksmin]

Yeah one of them was underwhelming.

One long midface guy who sort of looked like me ascended 1.5 psl points with just trimax.

I'm looking at alfaro instagram now, he has some mogger results.

I am booking a CT scan today and will get plans from Pagnoni, Ramieri and Alfaro.

All I want is reassurance that he’s at least decent at bimax. I’m not looking to
have 100 different surgeons operating on my face because with each surgery you increase your risk to get botched or worse get permanent nerve damage or some shit like that. My goal is to go under the knife ONCE and be done with major looksmaxxing forever. That’s why Pagnoni is so enticing for me, he offers everything I want at once and at a much better cost than the alternative of going to many surgeons that each specializes in a different niche.

 

[poopmaster22]

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All I want is reassurance that he’s at least decent at bimax. I’m not looking to
have 100 different surgeons operating on my face because with each surgery you increase your risk to get botched or worse get permanent nerve damage or some shit like that. My goal is to go under the knife ONCE and be done with major looksmaxxing forever. That’s why Pagnoni is so enticing for me, he offers everything I want at once and at a much better cost than the alternative of going to many surgeons that each specializes in a different niche.

Agree

 

[Deleted member 16501]

All I want is reassurance that he’s at least decent at bimax. I’m not looking to
have 100 different surgeons operating on my face because with each surgery you increase your risk to get botched or worse get permanent nerve damage or some shit like that. My goal is to go under the knife ONCE and be done with major looksmaxxing forever. That’s why Pagnoni is so enticing for me, he offers everything I want at once and at a much better cost than the alternative of going to many surgeons that each specializes in a different niche.

Yes he offers a lot but there are quite a few people who have been botched by him and are not happy with results. Mainly with implants and soft tissue work.

If you want the 1 surgery I would go with Ramieri for bimax and implants.

Only reason I am not that keen on Ramieri is because he is conservative w bimax...I'm 33 and I wanna risk it all for chadlite face

 

[looksmin]

Yes he offers a lot but there are quite a few people who have been botched by him and are not happy with results. Mainly with implants and soft tissue work.

If you want the 1 surgery I would go with Ramieri for bimax and implants.

Only reason I am not that keen on Ramieri is because he is conservative w bimax...I'm 33 and I wanna risk it all for chadlite face

Yeah bro i feel you if I was 33 I’d wanna go out on my own terms too finna fuck around and risk my life for that chadlight halo . Yeah Pagnoni almost seems too good to be true so I’m definitely going to consult with Ramieri before making a final decision. But please keep us updated man and good luck.

 

[poopmaster22]

Yes he offers a lot but there are quite a few people who have been botched by him and are not happy with results. Mainly with implants and soft tissue work.

If you want the 1 surgery I would go with Ramieri for bimax and implants.

Only reason I am not that keen on Ramieri is because he is conservative w bimax...I'm 33 and I wanna risk it all for chadlite face

Who does chad movements ?

 

[eyebagcel]

Yes he offers a lot but there are quite a few people who have been botched by him and are not happy with results. Mainly with implants and soft tissue work.

If you want the 1 surgery I would go with Ramieri for bimax and implants.

Only reason I am not that keen on Ramieri is because he is conservative w bimax...I'm 33 and I wanna risk it all for chadlite face

do you think he’s a safe option for infraorbital saddle implants? i heard he’s made mistakes with the chin and browridge which makes me wary about the under eye/cheekbone region

 

[Deleted member 16501]

Who does chad movements ?

Alfaro and possibly Pagnoni

 

[Deleted member 16501]

do you think he’s a safe option for infraorbital saddle implants? i heard he’s made mistakes with the chin and browridge which makes me wary about the under eye/cheekbone region

Yes I think he's safe for that. Titbot got infaorbs and had no problem with that particular procedure

 

[Deleted member 8869]

How is Pagnoni's bimax? I know that he's the first choice for anything cheekbones and above, but does Ramieri mog when it comes to bimax?

had consultation with him and will have with ramieri will tell you which mogs then ok?

 

[looksmin]

had consultation with him and will have with ramieri will tell you which mogs then ok?

Alright bro looking forward to hear from you. I’m in the same boat, already talked to Pagnoni and in a couple days have a consultation with Ramieri. By the way, what was your impression of Pagnoni’s before and afters?

 

[Anchor_Ship]

All this Ramieri talk the nigga prices are already going up as it is

 

[looksmin]

All this Ramieri talk the nigga prices are already going up as it is

Yeah fr but I wouldn’t say he’s overpriced yet still cheaper than other more established surgeons. Although I do want to act quick I have a bad feeling this place is gonna blow up soon

 

[Anchor_Ship]

Yeah fr but I wouldn’t say he’s overpriced yet still cheaper than other more established surgeons. Although I do want to act quick I have a bad feeling this place is gonna blow up soon

The prices have increased ever since @Gaia262 shared his Jaw surgery journey

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Alfaro is only worth if you are giga recessed his 20mm advencement are good but you will only look normie with your shit base anyway. his results on average jaw is uncanny dogmaxxing and banana looking mandible + he's 30k.

Ramieri is only 14-16mm but his results are more harmonious and he does a better job with CCW giving you a natural look mandible. You can't get a Chad jaw with bimax anyway. you need chin + jaw implants for that.

Remember you can't go from average recessed jaw to Chad jaw with bimax only . the goal is to bring your upper and lower jaw to healthy and non recessed state which is top 10% jaw IRL . it just counter your downward growth like most modern humans have, and bring it to where it was supposed to be.

Don't be too greedy with osteotomies because your skull can't handle big movements without looking unnatural.
After bimax go for filler or implants to add projected bonemass.
You can bonemash too before bimax if you want too it works but painful and risky.

Chad has non downward growth + forward growth + bonemass. So with bimax you have 1/3 of the job done.

 

[looksmin]

Alfaro is only worth if you are giga recessed his 20mm advencement are good but you will only look normie with your shit base anyway. his results on average jaw is uncanny dogmaxxing and banana looking mandible + he's 30k.

Ramieri is only 14-16mm but his results are more harmonious and he does a better job with CCW giving you a natural look mandible. You can't get a Chad jaw with bimax anyway. you need chin + jaw implants for that.

Remember you can't go from average recessed jaw to Chad jaw with bimax only . the goal is to bring your upper and lower jaw to healthy and non recessed state which is top 10% jaw IRL . it just counter your downward growth like most modern humans have, and bring it to where it was supposed to be.

Don't be too greedy with osteotomies because your skull can't handle big movements without looking unnatural.
After bimax go for filler or implants to add projected bonemass.
You can bonemash too before bimax if you want too it works but painful and risky.

Chad has non downward growth + forward growth + bonemass. So with bimax you have 1/3 of the job done.

Thanks for your insight. You seem very knowledgeable on the subject. Do you mind if I shoot you a quick message?

 

[Deleted member 16501]

Alfaro is only worth if you are giga recessed his 20mm advencement are good but you will only look normie with your shit base anyway. his results on average jaw is uncanny dogmaxxing and banana looking mandible + he's 30k.

Ramieri is only 14-16mm but his results are more harmonious and he does a better job with CCW giving you a natural look mandible. You can't get a Chad jaw with bimax anyway. you need chin + jaw implants for that.

Remember you can't go from average recessed jaw to Chad jaw with bimax only . the goal is to bring your upper and lower jaw to healthy and non recessed state which is top 10% jaw IRL . it just counter your downward growth like most modern humans have, and bring it to where it was supposed to be.

Don't be too greedy with osteotomies because your skull can't handle big movements without looking unnatural.
After bimax go for filler or implants to add projected bonemass.
You can bonemash too before bimax if you want too it works but painful and risky.

Chad has non downward growth + forward growth + bonemass. So with bimax you have 1/3 of the job done.

Yeah good point. Ramieri seems like the sensible option.

 

[looksmin]

Alfaro is only worth if you are giga recessed his 20mm advencement are good but you will only look normie with your shit base anyway. his results on average jaw is uncanny dogmaxxing and banana looking mandible + he's 30k.

Ramieri is only 14-16mm but his results are more harmonious and he does a better job with CCW giving you a natural look mandible. You can't get a Chad jaw with bimax anyway. you need chin + jaw implants for that.

Remember you can't go from average recessed jaw to Chad jaw with bimax only . the goal is to bring your upper and lower jaw to healthy and non recessed state which is top 10% jaw IRL . it just counter your downward growth like most modern humans have, and bring it to where it was supposed to be.

Don't be too greedy with osteotomies because your skull can't handle big movements without looking unnatural.
After bimax go for filler or implants to add projected bonemass.
You can bonemash too before bimax if you want too it works but painful and risky.

Chad has non downward growth + forward growth + bonemass. So with bimax you have 1/3 of the job done.

not entirely accurate though he seems to produce fine results on people with relatively normal recession albeit flat faces. The second guy for example has a face structure kinda similar to mine and I would be satisfied with his result. Also note that he takes great care with the aesthetics of the front profile which in my opinion is even more important than side.

 

[looksmin]

Anybody know if Alfaro offers implants?

 

[Deleted member 16501]

not entirely accurate though he seems to produce fine results on people with relatively normal recession albeit flat faces. The second guy for example has a face structure kinda similar to mine and I would be satisfied with his result. Also note that he takes great care with the aesthetics of the front profile which in my opinion is even more important than side.

incredible results. made them both chadlite

 

[looksmin]

incredible results. made them both chadlite

Yeah and these are just the first two results that popped up. He has a lot of experience under his belt and reputation that expands way beyond this forum. Only two problems are the price and the fact that last I heard he doesn’t do implants.

 

[Deleted member 8869]

Alright bro looking forward to hear from you. I’m in the same boat, already talked to Pagnoni and in a couple days have a consultation with Ramieri. By the way, what was your impression of Pagnoni’s before and afters?

the ones i saw looked good the blonde one didnt change that much but the guy that changed jaw width was insane

 

[looksmin]

the ones i saw looked good the blonde one didnt change that much but the guy that changed jaw width was insane

I know which one you’re talking about that one was outstanding but that may have been one of his very few good ones for all we know. The rest that he showed me were mediocre imo and didn’t impress me at all.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Pagnoni is good surgeon? What about his ramus widening?

 

[Deleted member 8869]

I know which one you’re talking about that one was outstanding but that may have been one of his very few good ones for all we know. The rest that he showed me were mediocre imo and didn’t impress me at all.

thats literally most maxfacs i had consultation with so many surgeons and nothing really blew me away only the truecel to normie type of stuff but we all fakecel here

 

[Deleted member 8869]

Pagnoni is good surgeon? What about his ramus widening?

he is nice, he is down to earth but i still cannot rank his ability til i saw zarrinbal etc

 

[Deleted member 2729]

he is nice, he is down to earth but i still cannot rank his ability til i saw zarrinbal etc

zarrinbal is shit for my case since he doesnt even do rotations

 

[Deleted member 8869]

zarrinbal is shit for my case since he doesnt even do rotations

yeah i figure he will be for me too since i need ccw but i will see defranq ramieri and alfaro etc

 

[looksmin]

Forgot to mention, another pro to going with Pagnoni is that he’s a trained plastic surgeon in addition to being a maxfac. If you don’t have any functional issues (in my case) then all he cares about is giving you the best aesthetic outcome unlike Ramieri who’s a more “functional surgeon”

 

[looksmin]

Ramieri is great and if I was truecel I would go for him no question about it. But I wonder if he has the ability to ascend a LTN to Chadlight.

 

[MrRubiks]

I'm curious too, although I don't need bimax. I'm going to Pagnoni for my eyes.

 

[poopmaster22]

Is Defeancq good

 

[marken12]

Alfaro is only worth if you are giga recessed his 20mm advencement are good but you will only look normie with your shit base anyway. his results on average jaw is uncanny dogmaxxing and banana looking mandible + he's 30k.

Ramieri is only 14-16mm but his results are more harmonious and he does a better job with CCW giving you a natural look mandible. You can't get a Chad jaw with bimax anyway. you need chin + jaw implants for that.

Remember you can't go from average recessed jaw to Chad jaw with bimax only . the goal is to bring your upper and lower jaw to healthy and non recessed state which is top 10% jaw IRL . it just counter your downward growth like most modern humans have, and bring it to where it was supposed to be.

Don't be too greedy with osteotomies because your skull can't handle big movements without looking unnatural.
After bimax go for filler or implants to add projected bonemass.
You can bonemash too before bimax if you want too it works but painful and risky.

Chad has non downward growth + forward growth + bonemass. So with bimax you have 1/3 of the job done.

When assessing before/afters for bimax it's very important to look at the base first and think about what's actually possible to do with that base. Every surgeon including Ramieri has before/afters that result in a "banana looking mandible", I think that's more dependent on the patient than the surgeon. Also, I've never seen an actual "dogmaxxed" result from Alfaro, the pic that people on this forum are sharing is distorted by pixels and even so, it's an improvement compared to the "before".

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

When assessing before/afters for bimax it's very important to look at the base first and think about what's actually possible to do with that base. Every surgeon including Ramieri has before/afters that result in a "banana looking mandible", I think that's more dependent on the patient than the surgeon. Also, I've never seen an actual "dogmaxxed" result from Alfaro, the pic that people on this forum are sharing is distorted by pixels and even so, it's an improvement compared to the "before".

Yes patient's base is mandatory for the outcome. Long ramus with high gonial angle seem to benefit the most since the CCW impaction brings harmony that was lacking before and can handle longer mandible. . "banana looking " come from shorter ramus.

Do you think Alfaro's 20mm pogonion and 10 mm vs italian's surgeons 15mm and 4mm are worth the trade from pure aesthetics excluding the price tag?

 

[Deleted member 6756]

All I want is reassurance that he’s at least decent at bimax. I’m not looking to
have 100 different surgeons operating on my face because with each surgery you increase your risk to get botched or worse get permanent nerve damage or some shit like that. My goal is to go under the knife ONCE and be done with major looksmaxxing forever. That’s why Pagnoni is so enticing for me, he offers everything I want at once and at a much better cost than the alternative of going to many surgeons that each specializes in a different niche.

Same thing here. Looking for someone who can it done in one.

 

[Linoob]

How is Pagnoni's bimax? I know that he's the first choice for anything cheekbones and above, but does Ramieri mog when it comes to bimax?

He doesn't use bone grafts. Just leaves big gaping spaces like the grand canyon.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

He doesn't use bone grafts. Just leaves big gaping spaces like the grand canyon.

wdym why wouldnt he use bone grafts

 

[Linoob]

wdym why wouldnt he use bone grafts

Not sure man.

This is what I've seen from various users who've consulted him.

You'd have to ask him personally to find out the rationale behind it.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Not sure man.

This is what I've seen from various users who've consulted him.

You'd have to ask him personally to find out the rationale behind it.

so you think Ramieri moggs? Can I dm you my scans + face pics?