Blackpilled perspective on Robert Greene

[HighIQ ubermensch]

what do you think about his books?
Laws of Human Nature
MASTERY
ART OF SEDUCTION

 

[Dirlewanger333]

Robert Greene books were literally the worst books I've ever read

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Robert Greene books were literally the worst books I've ever read

Why?

 

[Dirlewanger333]

Why?

He treats emotion like it's logic and reason by taking emotional freaks and saying you should do the opposite emotion instead of deducing outcomes like everyone else. His books are pure cope

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

He treats emotion like it's logic and reason by taking emotional freaks and saying you should do the opposite emotion instead of deducing outcomes like everyone else. His books are pure cope

wouldn't it help tho instead of being impulsive n angry?
wouldn't his book help socially unintelligent naive people.

 

[Dirlewanger333]

wouldn't it help tho instead of being impulsive n angry?
wouldn't his book help socially unintelligent naive people.

Social intelligence is built through repeated interaction building intution. It's like thinking you'll know how to play chess by reading a book on chess instead of playing chess

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Social intelligence is built through repeated interaction building intution. It's like thinking you'll know how to play chess by reading a book on chess instead of playing chess

books/courses do help learning positional concepts unless you have a coach. without that you will just move pieces around trying to find patterns.

 

[Dirlewanger333]

books/courses do help learning positional concepts unless you have a coach. without that you will just move pieces around trying to find patterns.

I found that books and courses never improved me in chess past basic strategy

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

do you think books like law of human nature & how to win friends are utter useless cope?

 

[McSkziofren]

48 laws of being a massive cuck

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

48 laws of being a massive cuck

that one is bullshit I'm asking about laws of human nature

 

[Dirlewanger333]

do you think books like law of human nature & how to win friends are utter useless cope?

Yes

 

[McSkziofren]

Azt tapasztaltam, hogy a és a tanfolyamok soha nem tartottak a sakkban az alapvető stratégián túl.
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Szerinted az olyan könyvek, mint az Emberi természet törvénye és a Hogyan szerezzünk barátokat, teljesen haszontalanok?
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A hatalmas fasz létének 48 törvénye

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Yes

then what do you recommend instead to become socially intelligent for the one's who start with a deficit?

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

and why do so many people glaze these books

 

[Dirlewanger333]

then what do you recommend instead to become socially intelligent for the one's who start with a deficit?

There's nothing that you can do past planning activities and maintaining a schedule of planned interactions

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

There's nothing that you can do past planning activities and maintaining a schedule of planned interactions

elaborate with an example

 

[Dirlewanger333]

elaborate with an example

Ask a person that you do superordinate goals with often (e.g a coworker) if they would like to do x at y time/interval (depending on the level of connection but this isnt too important). The worst that happens is that they say no

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Ask a person that you do superordinate goals with often (e.g a coworker) if they would like to do x at y time/interval (depending on the level of connection but this isnt too important). The worst that happens is that they say no

what superordinate goals can a teen do? that will be best to build social skills

 

[Dirlewanger333]

what superordinate goals can a teen do? that will be best to build social skills

Things that are joined by formality (chess club, religious study, book club, [sport] club)

 

[Zeekie]

Social intelligence is built through repeated interaction building intution. It's like thinking you'll know how to play chess by reading a book on chess instead of playing chess

I think your wrong here, I don't like Greene's work either, but I don't think his mindset is purely off. Human emotions have rules and are logical to some degree, well the emotions aren't logical themselves, but rather the mechanisms behind them are, you can sort of understand why a person behave or feel the way they do through logic and utilize that input to obtain a certain outcome.

The chess example is also wrong, I learned more about chess in reading on book (Chess: 5334 Problems, Combinations and Games, recommended if you're into Chess) than I did playing Chess on my own or with friends. Practice matters more than theory, but having both theory and practice puts you ahead of the curve, intuition doesn't always cut it and even if it does, it just makes the process much slower.

 

[Dirlewanger333]

I think your wrong here, I don't like Greene's work either, but I don't think his mindset is purely off. Human emotions have rules and are logical to some degree, well the emotions aren't logical themselves, but rather the mechanisms behind them are, you can sort of understand why a person behave or feel the way they do through logic and utilize that input to obtain a certain outcome.

The chess example is also wrong, I learned more about chess in reading on book (Chess: 5334 Problems, Combinations and Games, recommended if you're into Chess) than I did playing Chess on my own or with friends. Practice matters more than theory, but having both theory and practice puts you ahead of the curve, intuition doesn't always cut it and even if it does, it just makes the process much slower.

You would need to input your actions and receive immediate feedback and explanation to learn from theory for a means which is too complex to calculate all outputs with complex reasons. I believe the only way this is possible is through in-person training. Also, there is not definite and objective desire for all humans. Each person has their own motives. This makes it impossible to make an objective framework of human interaction for most common day-to-day interaction

 

[Zeekie]

You would need to input your actions and receive immediate feedback and explanation to learn from theory for a means which is too complex to calculate all outputs with complex reasons. I believe the only way this is possible is through in-person training

Yes, I agree that objectively understanding everything from a mechanistic standpoint doesn't matter without in-person training, but think about it... We already have behavioral psychology, and we already had millions of people that came before us studying the exact same thing, while you should indeed practice, there's no harm in trying to find logic and patterns in human behavior and trying to make a benefit out of that, and thankfully there's a whole field of study and books written by people with much more knowledge and developed intuition than us.

IMO, intuition + theory (good theory, not Greene, ideally coming from scientific research) is far better than either one combined.

 

[SubSigma]

I read 48 laws of Power. The whole book is a dark triad larp. He pulls random stories and scenarios throughout history and uses them to justify random concepts that aren’t backed up by hard face. Most of the manipulation he mentions are concepts people naturally pick up through social skills learned through life, not some super secret knowledge.

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[Zeekie]

Yes, I agree that objectively understanding everything from a mechanistic standpoint doesn't matter without in-person training, but think about it... We already have behavioral psychology, and we already had millions of people that came before us studying the exact same thing, while you should indeed practice, there's no harm in trying to find logic and patterns in human behavior and trying to make a benefit out of that, and thankfully there's a whole field of study and books written by people with much more knowledge and developed intuition than us.

IMO, intuition + theory (good theory, not Greene, ideally coming from scientific research) is far better than either one combined.

I can't say I've read a lot of books on human interactions, probably 3-4, but deliberately trying to apply that theoretical knowledge is what gave me the best results with people, in literally going out with a notebook and checklist and forcing myself to try and apply something with anyone I could

 

[Zeekie]

I read 48 laws of Power. The whole book is a dark triad larp. He pulls random stories and scenarios throughout history and uses them to justify random concepts that aren’t backed up by hard face. Most of the manipulation he mentions are concepts people naturally pick up through social skills learned through life, not some super secret knowledge.

//SubSigma

 

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[mmmousaa]

First high IQ thread ive seen in a while, offtopic is usually noman's land

 

[mmmousaa]

I don't know enough about him to give an opinion tho, just seen one of his videos on seducers and how the greatest seducers in history weren't good looking

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

I can't say I've read a lot of books on human interactions, probably 3-4, but deliberately trying to apply that theoretical knowledge is what gave me the best results with people, in literally going out with a notebook and checklist and forcing myself to try and apply something with anyone I could

can you tell me more about what you did