Blackpillers are FRAGILE AND INFANTILE

[Gargamel]

The average blackpiller acts as an NPC that constantly strives to attract attention towards him and willows is self-pity.

He vomits out his beliefs and feverishly wants someone to refute him since he doesn't believe in them in the first place.

People here constantly say how over it is for them all the while trying to bait you to tell them the opposite because they want to be reaffirmed that their own belief is wrong. Of course, they will fight with claws and teeth to prove you how wrong you are.

The absolute delusion of the average blackpiller culminates with his vegetable state. He is stuck between his self-lies and severe narcissism. He rots in his own puddle of self-pity.

Watch you face in the mirror for at least 5 minutes straight and you will see how it starts to disappear - an optical illusion.

The same applies for the people here. They are so self-absorbed and narcissistic that their self-awareness has completely evaporated. Fucking NPCs spouting the same basic words over and over, all in a desperate attempt to believe themselves.

Because if they managed to convince themselves that would mean that their are the victim and the world owns them something.

It's your parents fault that you are short, ugly abused manlet - yes. But it is also your fault for being a little low T cuck barking dog.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

He vomits out his beliefs and feverishly wants someone to refute him since he doesn't believe in them in the first place.

Then refute them...Go ahead. I'm waiting.

Oh wait, you can't, because no matter how much you can attack our personalities and looks. You can never argue with what we're saying because you know it's true. And in all my time on PSL. I have never EVER seen a good argument against the blackpill.

 

[Gargamel]

Then refute them...Go ahead. I'm waiting.

Oh wait, you can't, because no matter how much you can attack our personalities and looks. You can never argue with what we're saying because you know it's true. And in all my time on PSL. I have never EVER seen a good argument against the blackpill.

I'm not sure where you stand. The blakpill has many subgroups of cult followers.

Judging by your name you think is over and no amount of self-improvment will make a difference for you?

 

[Deleted member 14262]

I'm not sure where you stand. The blakpill has many subgroups of cult followers.

Judging by your name you think is over and no amount of self-improvment will make a difference for you?

You've got that right. There is some self improvement that would help but they're all expensive surgeries.

 

[Deleted member 4430]

still better than narcy dogs, who have no real life attention and so resort here, because if some circle jerk approves you, it's very easy to get a pat on the back

 

[Gargamel]

You've got that right. There is some self improvement that would help but they're all expensive surgeries.

If you are not skin/body/hair/stye/x/x/x maxxing then you fall in the doomer blackpillers group who cope by daydreaming about surgeries they will never do or have completely given up.

This is literally the definition of the WEAK BLACKPILLER - those who felt the bitterness of the blackpill and cannot swallow it. Accepting the blackpill begins with aggressive actions in the form of looks/status/moneymaxxing.

Those who stay passive and rot are no different than the average defeatist - they just use their looks as an excuse for their desire to hold no responsability for their life. The world is infested with such people - just because you made some grand discovery on an online forum that looks matter makes you no different than your loser neighbour who copes with alcohol.

If you are aware of the blackpill tenets and still rot, then you are a bluepilled weakling.

 

[Gargamel]

still better than narcy dogs, who have no real life attention and so resort here, because if some circle jerk approves you, it's very easy to get a pat on the back

Same mental illness, different looks level.

 

[Deleted member 16853]

You can't argue with the blackpill, as its simply facts. But whether you Ldar and complain or actually do something about it, is the difference between the 2 types of users here

 

[Deleted member 14262]

If you are not skin/body/hair/stye/x/x/x maxxing then you fall in the doomer blackpillers group who cope by daydreaming about surgeries they will never do or have completely given up.

This is literally the definition of the WEAK BLACKPILLER - those who felt the bitterness of the blackpill and cannot swallow it. Accepting the blackpill begins with aggressive actions in the form of looks/status/moneymaxxing.

Those who stay passive and rot are no different than the average defeatist - they just use their looks as an excuse for their desire to hold no responsability for their life. The world is infested with such people - just because you made some grand discovery on an online forum that looks matter makes you no different than your loser neighbour who copes with alcohol.

If you are aware of the blackpill tenets and still rot, then you are a bluepilled weakling.

I'm sorry but you're delusional if you think anyone who isn't already htn tier can ascend by softmaxxing.

 

[aBetterMii]

Not true

 

[Gargamel]

I'm sorry but you're delusional if you think anyone who isn't already htn tier can ascend by softmaxxing.

Of course status, good body/skin/hair won't make you more attractive.

WTf am I even talking about.

Might as well throw the towel.

 

[john2]

Cringeworthy post by an irrelevant dimwit trying to sound smart.

 

[Gargamel]

Cringeworthy post by an irrelevant dimwit trying to sound smart.

15k posts o incel forum.
Utterly irrelevant trash.

 

[john2]

15k posts o incel forum.
Utterly irrelevant trash.

Peanut sized brain logic on full display.

 

[Gargamel]

Peanut sized brain logic on full display.

15k posts o incel forum.
Utterly irrelevant trash.

 

[Deleted member 22190]

You can't argue with the blackpill, as its simply facts. But whether you Ldar and complain or actually do something about it, is the difference between the 2 types of users here

 

[Deleted member 8608]

The average blackpiller acts as an NPC that constantly strives to attract attention towards him and willows is self-pity.

He vomits out his beliefs and feverishly wants someone to refute him since he doesn't believe in them in the first place.

People here constantly say how over it is for them all the while trying to bait you to tell them the opposite because they want to be reaffirmed that their own belief is wrong. Of course, they will fight with claws and teeth to prove you how wrong you are.

The absolute delusion of the average blackpiller culminates with his vegetable state. He is stuck between his self-lies and severe narcissism. He rots in his own puddle of self-pity.

Watch you face in the mirror for at least 5 minutes straight and you will see how it starts to disappear - an optical illusion.

The same applies for the people here. They are so self-absorbed and narcissistic that their self-awareness has completely evaporated. Fucking NPCs spouting the same basic words over and over, all in a desperate attempt to believe themselves.

Because if they managed to convince themselves that would mean that their are the victim and the world owns them something.

It's your parents fault that you are short, ugly abused manlet - yes. But it is also your fault for being a little low T cuck barking dog.

Its over, furthermore, it never began

 

[ray]

cope dnrd im incel

 

[softlysoftly]

The average blackpiller acts as an NPC that constantly strives to attract attention towards him and willows is self-pity.

He vomits out his beliefs and feverishly wants someone to refute him since he doesn't believe in them in the first place.

People here constantly say how over it is for them all the while trying to bait you to tell them the opposite because they want to be reaffirmed that their own belief is wrong. Of course, they will fight with claws and teeth to prove you how wrong you are.

The absolute delusion of the average blackpiller culminates with his vegetable state. He is stuck between his self-lies and severe narcissism. He rots in his own puddle of self-pity.

Watch you face in the mirror for at least 5 minutes straight and you will see how it starts to disappear - an optical illusion.

The same applies for the people here. They are so self-absorbed and narcissistic that their self-awareness has completely evaporated. Fucking NPCs spouting the same basic words over and over, all in a desperate attempt to believe themselves.

Because if they managed to convince themselves that would mean that their are the victim and the world owns them something.

It's your parents fault that you are short, ugly abused manlet - yes. But it is also your fault for being a little low T cuck barking dog.

go eat fatty meat and eggs and raise your cholesterol and give yourself heart disease you low iq sewer rat

 

[Gargamel]

go eat fatty meat and eggs and raise your cholesterol and give yourself heart disease you low iq sewer rat

It seems like I live rent free in your little head

Keep up the bark my little doggy.

 

[Squirtoutmabooty]

Blackpillers use any data that already confirms their inherent biases while ignoring the rest. The biggest blackpill I had is when incels were screeching about 30% of men being incel, but when the numbers shifted in a study a few years later (by the exact same organization) they all pissed and sharted themselves into being sceptics all of a sudden.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

Of course status, good body/skin/hair won't make you more attractive.

WTf am I even talking about.

Might as well throw the towel.

Are you retarded? That's not enough if your bones are terrible.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Blackpillers use any data that already confirms their inherent biases while ignoring the rest. The biggest blackpill I had is when incels were screeching about 30% of men being incel, but when the numbers shifted in a study a few years later (by the exact same organization) they all pissed and sharted themselves into being sceptics all of a sudden.

the average person does that to a waaaaaay greater degree than blackpillers do

 

[Gargamel]

Are you retarded? That's not enough if your bones are terrible.

Mirin IQ and ability to totally miss the point.

Ofc blackkpillers only think in terms of a magical ascension and complete metamorphosis that will change their life.

The absolute delusion and mental gymnastics that reside in your little brain are clearly above me.

At this point its beyond satirical at how infantile you are to believe in the idea of surgeries and fairy tales of ascension when you can't even tell yourself to do a pull up.

You are either 40 year-old loser or a 15 year-old kid - in both cases you are fragile and sad. I pity you.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

Mirin IQ and ability to totally miss the point.

Ofc blackkpillers only think in terms of a magical ascension and complete metamorphosis that will change their life.

The absolute delusion and mental gymnastics that reside in your little brain are clearly above me.

At this point its beyond satirical at how infantile you are to believe in the idea of surgeries and fairy tales of ascension when you can't even tell yourself to do a pull up.

You are either 40 year-old loser or a 15 year-old kid - in both cases you are fragile and sad. I pity you.

My skin is fine and so is my hair. Literally my height, race and face are holding me back. Wearing a special kind of clothes and using a certain shampoo isn't going to make me a gigachad. Nor is constantly shilling your shitty advice going to increase your IQ.

I was also like you before fully comprehending the blackpill so I won't be so harsh, but your "just tek shawar bro, just b confidunt bro" sperging helps nobody here. Log off g(r)eycel and pls don't return.

Jfl @ talking about "missing the point."

 

[Deleted member 14262]

15k posts o incel forum.
Utterly irrelevant trash.

500 posts in 9 months
Retard who barely uses the forum tries to lecture the people who it's made for.
You should find a website that's more suitable for you. Perhaps reddit.com or maybe even tumblr tbh.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

To the 8 normalsharts who are reading this thread, gtfo pls.

 

[stevielake]

@ifyouwannabemylover

Look at this, another "muh hardwork" brainwashed betamale.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

@ifyouwannabemylover

Look at this, another "muh hardwork" brainwashed betamale.

idk what his point is tbh

 

[stevielake]

idk what his point is tbh

You're weak if you complain about the system or collect NEEbux instead of overworking yourself for a faceless multi-billion dollar corporation who's boss gives 2 fucks about you or your welfare. Typical faux-alpha male rhetoric.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

You're weak if you complain about the system or collect NEEbux instead of overworking yourself for a faceless multi-billion dollar corporation who's boss gives 2 fucks about you or your welfare. Typical faux-alpha male rhetoric.

I think he's just trying to bait people

 

[stevielake]

I think he's just trying to bait people

I doubt it. Just nother narcy greycel who believes they unlocked their alpha-ness by watching Andrew Tate and other low-iq redpill content.

In an ideal world, everyone would be an entrepreneur and corporate America will fall. No more worker discrimination, unsanitary work conditions, shitty wage slaving jobs, and benefits will be mandatory.

 

[Gargamel]

My skin is fine and so is my hair. Literally my height, race and face are holding me back. Wearing a special kind of clothes and using a certain shampoo isn't going to make me a gigachad. Nor is constantly shilling your shitty advice going to increase your IQ.

I was also like you before fully comprehending the blackpill so I won't be so harsh, but your "just tek shawar bro, just b confidunt bro" sperging helps nobody here. Log off g(r)eycel and pls don't return.

Jfl @ talking about "missing the point."

JFL at muh shower and haircut strawman.

Ofc you will strawman because you are a fucking NPC that thinks in black and white. I can't honestly understand how much grey matter do you need to understand that you don't need to be a gigachad to have a fulfilling life.

You are not willing to train your body and see where that leads you but you daydream about some surgeries that will "save" you JFL

Escapism of the highest order.

I've been in the blackpill community on and off for the past 4 years even before you knew what a maxilla is. I know everything there is to know since the actual tenets behind the blackpill are so few but they are being endlessly regurgitated with different labels.

No need to argue with you. You are obviously an NPC with a basket of 10 or 12 contrapoints that you shit out when someone attacks your delusions. Keep rotting.

 

[Gargamel]

I doubt it. Just nother narcy greycel who believes they unlocked their alpha-ness by watching Andrew Tate and other low-iq redpill content.

In an ideal world, everyone would be an entrepreneur and corporate America will fall. No more worker discrimination, unsanitary work conditions, shitty wage slaving jobs, and benefits will be mandatory.

JFL at your projection.

When did I mention the American Peasant Dream of working drones or anything of this nature. I literally made a thread shitting on Adrew Tate and his scam.

People here are so delusional and self-hating that they resort to absolute strawmans whenever someone tells them something that deviates from the typical doomer cultist canon.

It's as if you all know a set of specific internet archetypes and think that all people fill these criterias. You are either a redditor, a fake alpha, a normie or whatever. So blantantly unoriginal.

Imagine constructing a world view based on literal memes and repeating it so many times that you begin to make value judgments based on that.

My whole point is that the majority of the users here are absolute self-pitying losers that want to throw the white flag and blame the world for it. Imagine being so fragile that you seclude yourself in your lil room because someone mogged you irl.

 

[stevielake]

JFL at your projection.

When did I mention the American Peasant Dream of working drones or anything of this nature. I literally made a thread shitting on Adrew Tate and his scam.

People here are so delusional and self-hating that they resort to absolute strawmans whenever someone tells them something that deviates from the typical doomer cultist canon.

It's as if you all know a set of specific internet personalities and think that all people fill these criterias. You are either a redditor, a fake alpha, a normie or whatever. So blantantly unoriginal.

Imagine constructing a world view based on literal memes and repeating it so many times that you begin to make value judgments based on that.

My whole point is that the majority of the users here are absolute self-pitying losers that want to throw the white flag and blame the world for it. Imagine being so fragile that you seclude yourself in your lil room because someone mogged you irl.

Self improvement is a myth to people like you hope. It's the same BS billionaires give to wage slaves 'Just work hard and you can one day be in my position' when in fact, capitalism is built on your failure to keep them at the top.


What self improvement did this man do? He's ugly and obese yet has a women out of his lookrange.

What self improvement did this crippled sub-4 man do to date him a literal Stacy.

One day you'll realize being NT matters most. (60% NT 30% looks %10 money)

Keep coping with your alphaness, keeping frame, getting to 5% body fat and whatever red pilled nonsense you think of. It's easer to say you're incel becasue of your looks instead of your autism; There's a gym for your body, there is no 'gym' for your neurodivergent disorder.

 

[Gargamel]

Self improvement is a myth to people like you hope. It's the same BS billionaires give to wage slaves 'Just work hard and you can one day be in my position' when in fact, capitalism is built on your failure to keep them at the top.


What self improvement did this man do? He's ugly and obese yet has a women out of his lookrange.

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What self improvement did this crippled sub-4 man do to date him a literal Stacy.
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One day you'll realize being NT matters most. (60% NT 30% looks %10 money)

Keep coping with your alphaness, keeping frame, getting to 5% body fat and whatever red pilled nonsense you think of. It's easer to say you're incel becasue of your looks instead of your autism; There's a gym for your body, there is no 'gym' for your neurodivergent disorder.

JFL at posting these examples. Absolutely mirin IQ.

Do you even know what self improvement is? It's not just softamxxing. It's about Ntmaxxing and everythingmaxxing. Developing a healthy mindset and enjoying life instead of masturbating in self-pity and doomerism.

You again try to paint me as some alpha male rediller since this is what you can attack. I'm a fucking normal guy that understands the blackpill and actually apply is it IRL.

Being a pleasant person with good body > a crying loser with shit body.

It's so plainly obvious which of the two is better.

If seeing an obese loser betabuxxing peacking with a whore is discouraging you from getting up and doing something with your life, then it's over for you buddy boyo.

 

[stevielake]

JFL at posting these examples. Absolutely mirin IQ.

Do you even know what self improvement is? It's not just softamxxing. It's about Ntmaxxing and everythingmaxxing. Developing a healthy mindset and enjoying life instead of masturbating in self-pity and doomerism.

You again try to paint me as some alpha male rediller since this is what you can attack. I'm a fucking normal guy that understands the blackpill and actually apply is it IRL.

Being a pleasant person with good body > a crying loser with shit body.

It's so plainly obvious which of the two is better.

If seeing an obese loser betabuxxing peacking with a whore is discouraging you from getting up and doing something with your life, then it's over for you buddy boyo.

Yes, the man banging a stacy is a loser and not you, the greycel writing NYT best sellers on an obscure incel forum.

The amount of narcyness and projection. JFL

You are a redpiller, because your logic is very subjective and biased.

Just tell the schizo to "stop being schizo, bro" or the low-functioning autist who can't even count to 10 to just ntmaxx.

 

[stevielake]

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Being a pleasant person with good body > a crying loser with shit body.

Had to come back to this bluepilled statement and cage.

I’m sure Ted Bundy and Ramirez were such kind souls which is why they had female groupies show up to their court hearings or send them fan mail in prison

@TRUE_CEL ban this redpill retard already.

 

[Gargamel]

Yes, the man banging a stacy is a loser and not you, the greycel writing NYT best sellers on an obscure incel forum.

The amount of narcyness and projection. JFL

You are a redpiller, because your logic is very subjective and biased.

Just tell the schizo to "stop being schizo, bro" or the low-functioning autist who can't even count to 10 to just ntmaxx.

Completely ignores the above points and focuses on me shitting on the fat guy JFL I could give two shits about him being loser or not lol

Again you need to resort extremes. Obviously if someone can't count to 10 I wont urge him to NTmax lol

We are talking about functional people that have some basic potential for improvement.

Not my problem the redpillers and similar retards hijacked the term "self-improvement.'

Most people can absolutely improve their place in life and this is true for most of the users here. This is the truth and rejecting this absolutely basic statements will be nothing short of delusion. This is why I say the people here are drama queens.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Cringeworthy post by an irrelevant dimwit trying to sound smart.

True + I did not even read it

 

[Gargamel]

Had to come back to this bluepilled statement and cage.

I’m sure Ted Bundy and Ramirez were such kind souls which is why they had female groupies show up to their court hearings or send them fan mail in prison

@TRUE_CEL ban this redpill retard already.

You disproved abosulutely nothing you moron.

My statement still stand. I didn't say that a being a pleasant person with good body is better than a gigachad dark triad.

Absolute negative IQ.

JFL if you srsly think being a loser with godshit tier body has any more value than being NT person with good body.

Most people can't be gigachads and most people can't be dark triad, this is why I made this comparison.

And certianly most ppl here are so low in the food chain that they will never have the mental capacity to become dark triad.

 

[Gengar]

Had to come back to this bluepilled statement and cage.

I’m sure Ted Bundy and Ramirez were such kind souls which is why they had female groupies show up to their court hearings or send them fan mail in prison

@TRUE_CEL ban this redpill retard already.

luckily for him hes not shitting up ratings so i cant do anything about the guy

 

[Gargamel]

luckily for him hes not shitting up ratings so i cant do anything about the guy

Muh ban him because he makes me uncomfortable.

Take a look at the thread title and tell me I'm wrong.

 

[Gengar]

Muh ban him because he makes me uncomfortable.

Take a look at the thread title and tell me I'm wrong.

i havent read the content of this thread (yet)

 

[stevielake]

You disproved abosulutely nothing you moron.

My statement still stand. I didn't say that a being a pleasant person with good body is better than a gigachad dark triad.

Absolute negative IQ.

JFL if you srsly think being a loser with godshit tier body has any more value than being NT person with good body.

Most people can't be gigachads and most people can't be dark triad, this is why I made this comparison.

And certianly most ppl here are so low in the food chain that they will never have the mental capacity to become dark triad.

You’re basically agreeing with me.

There’s a handful of men who will never ascend no matter how much self improvement they do. Will they be happier? Yes. Will they have money? Yes. But the chances of them ending up in an LTR is far lower than an NT Normie despite self improving.

Why would a woman settle for a gymmaxed aspie with shitty social skills and terrible money management when she can settle with the avg build, charming, smart, and good looking NT normie.

 

[Gengar]

Muh ban him because he makes me uncomfortable.

Take a look at the thread title and tell me I'm wrong.

ok, i read the opening post. i both disagree and agree with you at the same time.

i agree because most "subhumans" here arent even subhuman, theyre just average (or close to it). what you say applies to them.

i disagree because im actually a subhuman. what you say doesnt apply to me. im objectively ugly, unattractive, unwanted. i can back this up with rejections ive dealt with and my statistics and my age.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

JFL at muh shower and haircut strawman.

What "strawman" bruh. You're meme tier softmaxxes have no effect on anyone he isn't already a HTN who's somehow descended themselves with acne or being overweight. I also went to the gym for around 3-4 months last year but when I realized I was getting nowhere I stopped. My skin is perfectly fine and I have a full head of hair with a decent hairstyle. I am average weight. You want to talk about "strawman this" and "strawman that" without looking at yourself.

I've been in the blackpill community on and off for the past 4 years even before you knew what a maxilla is. I know everything there is to know since the actual tenets behind the blackpill are so few but they are being endlessly regurgitated with different labels.

Yet you're this fucking bluepilled? You've been a greycel for this long? What was your lookism or .is username?

No need to argue with you. You are obviously an NPC with a basket of 10 or 12 contrapoints that you shit out when someone attacks your delusions. Keep rotting.

Yet I know you'll still reply to this anyway.

 

[Gargamel]

You’re basically agreeing with me.

There’s a handful of men who will never ascend no matter how much self improvement they do. Will they be happier? Yes. Will they have money? Yes. But the chances of them ending up in an LTR is far lower than an NT Normie despite self improving.

Why would a woman settle for a gymmaxed aspie with shitty social skills and terrible money management when she can settle with the avg build, charming, smart, and good looking NT normie.

The world is beyond unfair.

The chanced of a NT normie finding an LTR are far lower than a Chadlite NT wide-palate smile jock despite self-improving.

Of course, there is a hierarchy but that doesn't mean your efforts will be futile. As long as you start from a somewhat of a base (meaning 3psl and above) you have the absolute potential to improve and in turn live a better life and have grater chance of finding a gf.

This is how the healthy blackpill looks like.

Unfortunately, what happens on this is forum is that the majority of users who are between a 3.5 - 6.5 are so busy crying and complaining that they leave themselves no time to looksmax. Everyone is trying to portait themselves as ugly abused victims when in reality most look normal.

In this forum the blackpill is toxic and completely refracted. It's a cry for attention and not self-improvment.

ok, i read the opening post. i both disagree and agree with you at the same time.

i agree because most "subhumans" here arent even subhuman, theyre just average (or close to it). what you say applies to them.

i disagree because im actually a subhuman. what you say doesnt apply to me. im objectively ugly, unattractive, unwanted. i can back this up with rejections ive dealt with and my statistics and my age.

Given that you are a mod I trust your rating. (people must have rated you here).

I agree that for actual subhumans the games is so rigged that few improvments can make a significant change.

Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure your time here will be way better off spent elsewhere.

Exactly, my focus is the 80% of the blackpill population that is just filled with narcy zoomers trying to prove to you that their life is the worst.

 

[Gengar]

The world is beyond unfair.

The chanced of a NT normie finding an LTR are far lower than a Chadlite NT wide-palate smile jock despite self-improving.

Of course, there is a hierarchy but that doesn't mean your efforts will be futile. As long as you start from a somewhat of a base (meaning 3psl and above) you have the absolute potential to improve and in turn live a better life and have grater chance of finding a gf.

This is how the healthy blackpill looks like.

Unfortunately, what happens on this is forum is that the majority of users who are between a 3.5 - 6.5 are so busy crying and complaining that they leave themselves no time to looksmax. Everyone is trying to portait themselves as ugly abused victims when in reality most look normal.

In this forum the blackpill is toxic and completely refracted. It's a cry for attention and not self-improvment.


Given that you are a mod I trust your rating. (people must have rated you here).

I agree that for actual subhumans the games is so rigged that few improvments can make a significant change.

Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure your time here will be way better off spent elsewhere.

Exactly, my focus is the 80% of the blackpill population that is just filled with narcy zoomers trying to prove to you that their life is the worst.

Nobody has rated me here but I have shown aspects of me that solidify my status as a truecel. I can post them if you'd like or message them to you privately. I am one of those subhumans for whom it is impossible to improve facially unless I want something like plastic surgery, which I don't. I am currently in school, so I don't really have anything better to do. I enjoy posting on forums, just look at my post count. That is not counting the other 38000 posts I have on incels.is. Finally, yeah, most people here are idiots but that's something you'd have picked up on if you spent more time here.