Blackstone's ratio

[shikimorilover69]

Interested to see whether or not there are any lawyers or law-interested people on this forum, or people in general, what do you think a good ratio is? Blackstone's ratio is basically the number of guilty people who dont get convicted vs number of innocent people who get convicted, you go from the extremity of China and Japan all the way to america and there are big problems with both systems

 

[Outlander]

 

[chudmaxxer2k26]

dnr too long

 

[psl nigga]

Me interesa saber si hay abogados o personas aceptadas en el derecho en este foro, o personas en general, ¿cuál creen que es una buena proporción? La proporción de Blackstone es básicamente el número de culpables que no son condenados frente al número de inocentes que sí lo son. Si se va desde los extremos de China y Japón hasta Estados Unidos, hay grandes problemas con ambos sistemas.

nigga

 

[chang cypionate]

Interested to see whether or not there are any lawyers or law-interested people on this forum, or people in general, what do you think a good ratio is? Blackstone's ratio is basically the number of guilty people who dont get convicted vs number of innocent people who get convicted, you go from the extremity of China and Japan all the way to america and there are big problems with both systems

I think they are both equally big of an issue. But, the thing is, compare the crime rates between China and Japan vs the USA. High convictions result in fear of doing crime, the people see the government is extremely tough on crime. It may be extremely unjust to the few who are innocent and got falsely accused, but it's a net positive for the rest of the population knowing that crime rates are low.

 

[davidlaidisme67]

Interested to see whether or not there are any lawyers or law-interested people on this forum, or people in general, what do you think a good ratio is? Blackstone's ratio is basically the number of guilty people who dont get convicted vs number of innocent people who get convicted, you go from the extremity of China and Japan all the way to america and there are big problems with both systems

aren’t alot of crimes heavily underreported in East Asian countries

 

[strongmtn_]

Interested to see whether or not there are any lawyers or law-interested people on this forum, or people in general, what do you think a good ratio is? Blackstone's ratio is basically the number of guilty people who dont get convicted vs number of innocent people who get convicted, you go from the extremity of China and Japan all the way to america and there are big problems with both systems

mirin avi

 

[chang cypionate]

aren’t alot of crimes heavily underreported in East Asian countries

No there's cameras everywhere in China and your fingerprints and other identifiable data are unironically all available at the governments fingertips. Very hard to get away with crime unless its in some rural village.

 

[shikimorilover69]

No there's cameras everywhere in China and your fingerprints and other identifiable data are unironically all available at the governments fingertips. Very hard to get away with crime unless its in some rural village.

I can attest to this, i'm Chinese myself, live in hk but I have a home in guangzhou and yes theres a shit ton of cameras, like, everywhere, the government have face id tracking everywhere. One extremely scary thing is that in the airport you dont even need your boarding pass, because the machine will scan your face and then link that face to your ticket. So who knows what CCTV is tracking.

 

[shikimorilover69]

I think they are both equally big of an issue. But, the thing is, compare the crime rates between China and Japan vs the USA. High convictions result in fear of doing crime, the people see the government is extremely tough on crime. It may be extremely unjust to the few who are innocent and got falsely accused, but it's a net positive for the rest of the population knowing that crime rates are low.

Theoretically on a utilitarian basis yes thats better because if the suffering of a few leads to the benfit of many then that is a net positive
The problem is if that suffering is of a few or suffering of the many. Its could actually become very difficult to tell precisely because of the high conviction rate so there is always plausible deniability, e.g you dont know if a convicted person is actually guilty or a victim, which raises some serious questions
Another big thing is whether or not society is willing to live with the moral guilt of such a system! Sure, there may be less crime, but people are often less concious due to crimes of inaction (e.g letting crimes go on) versues the crimes of active actio (e.g actively prosecuting false people) ESPECIALLY if it is done by the state!