bloodwork

[puberty_ascender]

i convinced my parents to let me pin and they will pay for like half of the costs as long as i do bloodwork before and during my cycles, and i convinced my dad to hop on too, what exactly should the bloodwork include for us for hgh, test, reta, an AI ,bpc+tb, ghk, mt1 and minoxidil(tablets)?

 

[rotation]

and i convinced my dad to hop on too

did you just get whatever you want your entire life?

no way your parents are this retarded

 

[Liveindianboi]

nigga what is this cycle. and why is ur dad doing test and hgh at that age bro. both of your guys' cycles should look significantly different. anyways u want to do free and total test, serum igf 1, tsh, free t4 and regular t4, get a blood glucose monitor for home, hdl, ldl, e2, triglycerides. reddit ngas r lowk smart when it comes to bloodwork so look there.

 

[NoaA99]

did you just get whatever you want your entire life?

no way your parents are this retarded

Considering that both of them appear to have zero knowledge of biology, it’s absurd. No rational parent would allow this, let alone actively participate, and ask children on forums for bloodwork or side-effect mitigation.

Aside from perhaps GHK-Cu, BPC-157, and to some extent HGH, there’s virtually nothing in this stack that would reliably prevent potential health issues related to supraphysiological roid-abuse.
As usual here, side-effect prevention focuses solely on cosmetic stuff.
Doing this without an understanding of bloodwork beforehand is beyond stupid anyway. You need to do bloodwork, and cardiologic evaluation beforehand.

Many people fail to realize just how vast and complex the human body is. If you want to approach this at least somewhat safely, you either pay someone with the expertise or invest years in learning it yourself, which is nearly impossible for most, given the time, Intelligence and effort required for adequate research.

 

[sdefe]

Considering that both of them appear to have zero knowledge of biology, it’s absurd. No rational parent would allow this, let alone actively participate, and ask children on forums for bloodwork or side-effect mitigation.

Aside from perhaps GHK-Cu, BPC-157, and to some extent HGH, there’s virtually nothing in this stack that would reliably prevent potential health issues related to supraphysiological roid-abuse.
As usual here, side-effect prevention focuses solely on cosmetic stuff.
Doing this without an understanding of bloodwork beforehand is beyond stupid anyway. You need to do bloodwork, and cardiologic evaluation beforehand.

Many people fail to realize just how vast and complex the human body is. If you want to approach this at least somewhat safely, you either pay someone with the expertise or invest years in learning it yourself, which is nearly impossible for most, given the time, Intelligence and effort required for adequate research.

I mean lots of moms have been on peptide’s chatting by about it with their friends and older men in their 40s take test already/ know people who do. And he is taking an ai so what’s the issue here? Also don’t have to pay someone for that and spend years of your life to do a cycle, you’re not studying to become a doctor. You can use AI to help you with your cycle

 

[rotation]

I mean lots of moms have been on peptide’s chatting by about it with their friends and older men in their 40s take test already/ know people who do. And he is taking an ai so what’s the issue here? Also don’t have to pay someone for that and spend years of your life to do a cycle, you’re not studying to become a doctor. You can use AI to help you with your cycle

it's different, this is a supraphysiological steroid cycle.

not comparable whatsoever to middle aged moms taking harmless peptides or medical TRT

AI is not all that is needed, if he has done 0 research what will he due to mitigate issues?

and if those issues come, he will not know how to deal with them

 

[puberty_ascender]

did you just get whatever you want your entire life?

no way your parents are this retarded

my dad always said that if i ever wanted to try any type of drug (recreational/performance enhancing) he would try it with me as long as we find a safe source and i dont abuse the said drug. since i dont want to try any recreational drug(not in the near future at least) and i have been talking to him about hopping on for quite some time and me and his doctor recommended him trt he has been seeing pinning as less of a mutation to a big meathead gym unc and more of making general lifestyle better. not saying im hopping on all of those and not that its my/his cycle, just some potential substances we were thinking would benefit me or him. obv we will have different protocols and im not relying on ppl on a forum for medical advice, this question was purely for making a general idea of how much would the bloodwork cost because every added thing tested for adds to the cost. ik i have to get a blood glucose tester, and probably a cardiologic exam for both of us before the bloodwork but i wanted to be sure im not too far off with the costs because this part will be covered by me

 

[NoaA99]

I mean lots of moms have been on peptide’s chatting by about it with their friends and older men in their 40s take test already/ know people who do. And he is taking an ai so what’s the issue here? Also don’t have to pay someone for that and spend years of your life to do a cycle, you’re not studying to become a doctor. You can use AI to help you with your cycle

Do you actually understand what supraphysiological doses of steroids do to the body? They fundamentally shift homeostasis, and if you don’t know what you’re doing beforehand, you’re just reckless.
AI can help explain the basic mechanisms and simplify the studies you have access to, but on its own, it can be inaccurate on the specifics, which makes sense, since it doesn’t have access to many paywalled studies and cannot really distinguish high-quality evidence from marketing sites or random anecdotal claims.

So, for instance, increased anabolic activity massively impacts redox-balance (obviously, since it uses extreme amounts of energy). Increased oxidative stress, as a consequence, is one of the main reasons people on roids age prematurely, degenerate, and ultimately die earlier.
Redox balance usually shifts during aging due to multiple mechanisms, but primarily because endogenous antioxidative systems become progressively less efficient.
Non-neutralized reactive oxygen species diffuse easily through membranes, trigger lipid-peroxidation, and destroy your cell membranes in chain reactions.
This chronically activates NF-kB in various cell-types, essentially the central regulator of both genomic inflammatory responses (biosynthesis of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and enzymes) and immediate non-genomic inflammatory signaling.
If this becomes chronic, with time, it leads to widespread apoptosis and fibrosis. Tissues like neurons and cardiomyocytes, barely regenerate and have virtually no mitotic capacity.
You’re also inhibiting partial repair by blasting roids and strongly directing stem-cell activity (differentiation) toward muscle hypertrophy- basically a bias toward differentiation into myofibers.

Something like neurogenesis is highly specific and limited, it’s extremely overrated, so prevention is key, as it is for most side-effects.
Sustained oxidative and inflammatory stress will absolutely make you less intelligent, ruin your heart and in consequence, shorten your lifespan significantly, if not planned and controlled with regular check-ups.

Once the body is compromised, it creates a vicious cycle in which these interconnected systems amplify one another and health markers deteriorate rapidly, pharmacological interventions become less effective due to the already altered physiology, and even the roids will progressively become less effective (basically more substances for less effect, more damage with less substance).

 

[idont]

i convinced my parents to let me pin and they will pay for like half of the costs as long as i do bloodwork before and during my cycles, and i convinced my dad to hop on too, what exactly should the bloodwork include for us for hgh, test, reta, an AI ,bpc+tb, ghk, mt1 and minoxidil(tablets)?

fever dream ass post how did this even occur

 

[Ch1gga]

i convinced my dad to hop on too,

What the fuck did I read this correctly

 

[sdefe]

it's different, this is a supraphysiological steroid cycle.

not comparable whatsoever to middle aged moms taking harmless peptides or medical TRT

AI is not all that is needed, if he has done 0 research what will he due to mitigate issues?

and if those issues come, he will not know how to deal with them

If those issues come, he can ask Ai. They know more than any trainer. Just need the right version AI that’s unrestricted, the right prompts, send them your bloodwork, stats etc chatgpt used to be like that giving knowledge but isn’t because of liability

 

[sdefe]

Do you actually understand what supraphysiological doses of steroids do to the body? They fundamentally shift homeostasis, and if you don’t know what you’re doing beforehand, you’re just reckless.
AI can help explain the basic mechanisms and simplify the studies you have access to, but on its own, it can be inaccurate on the specifics, which makes sense, since it doesn’t have access to many paywalled studies and cannot really distinguish high-quality evidence from marketing sites or random anecdotal claims.

So, for instance, increased anabolic activity massively impacts redox-balance (obviously, since it uses extreme amounts of energy). Increased oxidative stress, as a consequence, is one of the main reasons people on roids age prematurely, degenerate, and ultimately die earlier.
Redox balance usually shifts during aging due to multiple mechanisms, but primarily because endogenous antioxidative systems become progressively less efficient.
Non-neutralized reactive oxygen species diffuse easily through membranes, trigger lipid-peroxidation, and destroy your cell membranes in chain reactions.
This chronically activates NF-kB in various cell-types, essentially the central regulator of both genomic inflammatory responses (biosynthesis of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and enzymes) and immediate non-genomic inflammatory signaling.
If this becomes chronic, with time, it leads to widespread apoptosis and fibrosis. Tissues like neurons and cardiomyocytes, barely regenerate and have virtually no mitotic capacity.
You’re also inhibiting partial repair by blasting roids and strongly directing stem-cell activity (differentiation) toward muscle hypertrophy- basically a bias toward differentiation into myofibers.

Something like neurogenesis is highly specific and limited, it’s extremely overrated, so prevention is key, as it is for most side-effects.
Sustained oxidative and inflammatory stress will absolutely make you less intelligent, ruin your heart and in consequence, shorten your lifespan significantly, if not planned and controlled with regular check-ups.

Once the body is compromised, it creates a vicious cycle in which these interconnected systems amplify one another and health markers deteriorate rapidly, pharmacological interventions become less effective due to the already altered physiology, and even the roids will progressively become less effective (basically more substances for less effect, more damage with less substance).

Dnr

 

[NoaA99]

If those issues come, he can ask Ai. They know more than any trainer. Just need the right version AI that’s unrestricted, the right prompts, send them your bloodwork, stats etc chatgpt used to be like that giving knowledge but isn’t because of liability

Lmao, anyone who seriously builds a stack using GPT, or any other shit AI, is an absolute moron.

It also knows nothing about bloodwork (tested it several times) and only learns if you feed it the info, so you better already know what you’re doing.