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i think we can all agree that the lower bodyfat you are, the better your face looks. once you get down to a legitimate 8% bodyfat, you get as sharp of a submental as possible, your bones all pop out, and you look defined when speaking/smiling rather than looking like a bloated recessed chipmunk whose mouth area is sinking into his fat-covered cheeks.

the issue is that it's very hard to not look frail at 8% bodyfat, which is why it's ideal to build as much muscle as possible: because once you cut down into a severely lean and glycogen depleted state, it's almost impossible to look too big. I don't think people understand just how much of people's size is due to fat and glycogen--it's EXTREMELY hard to look huge at 8% bodyfat

it's not possible to look "too freaky" when shredded unless you're a manlet IFBB pro. I don't even think it's possible at all if you're tall. it's easier to look freaky if you're wearing a wifebeater or going shirtless but these are a character failo anyway--they make you appear vain and low trust. the objective should be to have striking enough traits that can speak for themselves even when you aren't flaunting them.

take jeff seid as an example:
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these images are from the day of his bodybuilding show (which he WON). he's wearing normal clothes (his forearms are fully visible, and his forearms are actually a strongpoint compared to his upper arms). he doesn't look particularly freaky, big, or even lean despite being around 7% bodyfat and having trained for 17 years with decent genetics.

and you wonder why you look so bad in candids? no wonder you'll look like a marshmallow in candids if even shredded bodybuilders who have trained for nearly 2 decades look normal in regular clothes and lighting.

in the past 2 months I've cut from around 19-20% bodyfat to around 12%, and I plan to reach 8% bodyfat and then never ever go past 10% again. from working as a bouncer I've seen the halo that twinks can get when they have extremely chiseled faces with their masseters and zygos popping out of their face. i can guarantee they would do worse even if they had a regular 15% bodyfat tier "lean face". but it's a whole new halo when you have an ultra chiseled face + still remain a formidable size.

- inb4 bringing up a subhuman-faced bodybuilder (he still would've looked way worse if he was skinnyfat)
- inb4 invoking a top tier olympian like ronnie coleman as proof that you can still look freaky in prep, and using this as a justification for why you, Cornelius Eugene Gupta Jr at 130lb 20% bodyfat, should not go to the gym
 
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Ima say this and tell u i slayed the most when my physique was at its peak yeah the hollow cheeks and all is cool but i just didnt “feel” like a mogger being size and height mogged by other high t males
 
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i think we can all agree that the lower bodyfat you are, the better your face looks. once you get down to a legitimate 8% bodyfat, you get as sharp of a submental as possible, your bones all pop out, and you look defined when speaking/smiling rather than looking like a bloated recessed chipmunk whose mouth area is sinking into his fat-covered cheeks.

the issue is that it's very hard to not look frail at 8% bodyfat, which is why it's ideal to build as much muscle as possible: because once you cut down into a severely lean and glycogen depleted state, it's almost impossible to look too big. I don't think people understand just how much of people's size is due to fat and glycogen--it's EXTREMELY hard to look huge at 8% bodyfat

it's not possible to look "too freaky" when shredded unless you're a manlet IFBB pro. I don't even think it's possible at all if you're tall. it's easier to look freaky if you're wearing a wifebeater or going shirtless but these are a character failo anyway--they make you appear vain and low trust. the objective should be to have striking enough traits that can speak for themselves even when you aren't flaunting them.

take jeff seid as an example:
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these images are from the day of his bodybuilding show (which he WON). he's wearing normal clothes (his forearms are fully visible, and his forearms are actually a strongpoint compared to his upper arms). he doesn't look particularly freaky, big, or even lean despite being around 7% bodyfat and having trained for 17 years with decent genetics.

and you wonder why you look so bad in candids? no wonder you'll look like a marshmallow in candids if even shredded bodybuilders who have trained for nearly 2 decades look normal in regular clothes and lighting.

in the past 2 months I've cut from around 19-20% bodyfat to around 12%, and I plan to reach 8% bodyfat and then never ever go past 10% again. from working as a bouncer I've seen the halo that twinks can get when they have extremely chiseled faces with their masseters and zygos popping out of their face. i can guarantee they would do worse even if they had a regular 15% bodyfat tier "lean face". but it's a whole new halo when you have an ultra chiseled face + still remain a formidable size.

- inb4 bringing up a subhuman-faced bodybuilder (he still would've looked way worse if he was skinnyfat)
- inb4 invoking a top tier olympian like ronnie coleman as proof that you can still look freaky in prep, and using this as a justification for why you, Cornelius Eugene Gupta Jr at 130lb 20% bodyfat, should not go to the gym
15% body fat is perfect. Not too lean. Not too bulky.
 
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Ima say this and tell u i slayed the most when my physique was at its peak yeah the hollow cheeks and all is cool but i just didnt “feel” like a mogger being size and height mogged by other high t males
i know what you mean (and I've felt like this in the past--not so much anymore because i'm big enough to where the ROI for having a chiseled face is far better, and I also don't care as much for being huge + I'm still bigger than pretty much everyone still) but this ultimately just proves my point because it means you're not big enough yet.

if ideal size is X, you can either achieve X by being leaner and more depleted with MORE muscle, or being fatter and more glycogen loaded with LESS muscle. obviously the former is better for overall looks than the latter.

15% body fat is perfect. Not too lean. Not too bulky.
15% bodyfat is marshmallow tier.
 
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I took the lean pill and have been starving myself endlessly I have dropped 15 lbs total. I still got at least 20 more to go maybe 10. I was a fat bloated monster. Thought I was big. I just was full of bloat. Now I'm. Leaning out and I'm mogging the leaner I get.

It's a race to the leanest most sustainable body we can. Nothing short of 10% can be truly considered impressive. I am looking closer to 17% to 16% now.


Lean is def not a pill to be underestimated.

Everyone here should avoid bulking like a fat ass. Instead sustainable lean bulk and cut and keep the body in a prime insulin sensitive state. Being lean is actually better for building muscle in longer runs than it is for being fat.
 
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15% body fat is perfect. Not too lean. Not too bulky.
12% is closer its sustinable and impressive. Some people have to be leaner than this to actually look good. Some people store too much fat on their face. Find the level and sustain it. Having big muscles to overcome higher body fat is the reason why bodybuilders often look like bloat loards. The face doesn't simply get leaner after looking lean. Looking lean and being lean are two different states


Look at eddy hall. He's a fat ass but has abs because he has big muscles. Thats it. Yet his face is round as ballon its not bloat. Its FAT

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take jeff seid as an example:
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these images are from the day of his bodybuilding show (which he WON). he's wearing normal clothes (his forearms are fully visible, and his forearms are actually a strongpoint compared to his upper arms). he doesn't look particularly freaky, big, or even lean despite being around 7% bodyfat and having trained for 17 years with decent genetics.
He still looks freakish IMO
 
12% is closer its sustinable and impressive. Some people have to be leaner than this to actually look good. Some people store too much fat on their face. Find the level and sustain it. Having big muscles to overcome higher body fat is the reason why bodybuilders often look like bloat loards. The face doesn't simply get leaner after looking lean. Looking lean and being lean are two different states


Look at eddy hall. He's a fat ass but has abs because he has big muscles. Thats it. Yet his face is round as ballon its not bloat. Its FAT

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A small minority. For most men, 15% is going to be lean enough. A lot of women actually like a bit of fluff to. As long as you’re not fat.

 
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A small minority. For most men, 15% is going to be lean enough. A lot of women actually like a bit of fluff to. As long as you’re not fat.


My face is quite lean, despite being high body fat, so I can get away with being around 16% body fat, and still look like I had the face of someone much lower. Heck, I might even be 18 sometimes.


What I'm saying is, for everyone, it depends on the specific facial structure, your projection in your face, how much bones you have, and your genetic pre-distribution.
A facial fat, which is determined by your genetics in the end.


A lot of Asian men, for example, have to get really shredded to even look remotely facially lean.
 
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would you say 9-10% is mainteanable without appetite drugs? (high natural appetite)
 
My face is quite lean, despite being high body fat, so I can get away with being around 16% body fat, and still look like I had the face of someone much lower. Heck, I might even be 18 sometimes.


What I'm saying is, for everyone, it depends on the specific facial structure, your projection in your face, how much bones you have, and your genetic pre-distribution.
A facial fat, which is determined by your genetics in the end.


A lot of Asian men, for example, have to get really shredded to even look remotely facially lean.
Lipolysis cheat code
 
My face is quite lean, despite being high body fat, so I can get away with being around 16% body fat, and still look like I had the face of someone much lower. Heck, I might even be 18 sometimes.


What I'm saying is, for everyone, it depends on the specific facial structure, your projection in your face, how much bones you have, and your genetic pre-distribution.
A facial fat, which is determined by your genetics in the end.


A lot of Asian men, for example, have to get really shredded to even look remotely facially lean.
That’s fair.
 
he looks shit he looks like Diego Lopes from UFC who is ugly
 
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Ima say this and tell u i slayed the most when my physique was at its peak yeah the hollow cheeks and all is cool but i just didnt “feel” like a mogger being size and height mogged by other high t males
What do you mean by “at its peak,” do you mean in terms of muscularity/buffness?
 
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What do you mean by “at its peak,” do you mean in terms of muscularity/buffness?
Basically size , leaness and color :feelsgah:
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Single digit body fat is law
 
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Basically size , leaness and color :feelsgah:
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Ma sha Allah, you were a giga chad here, for real. No offense but I’m glad you live so far away from me, because I don’t want my former oneitis to see you as she would crush on you hard for sure (as any other Islamic woman would).
 
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Legit thread, why im using DNP to get to sub 10 then maintaining with GLP-1. My calorie intake wont even be that low after im finished with the chiseling phase.
 
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Ma sha Allah, you were a giga chad here, for real. No offense but I’m glad you live so far away from me, because I don’t want my former oneitis to see you as she would crush on you hard for sure (as any other Islamic woman would).
 
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He evolved from chad to Latino
 
12% is closer its sustinable and impressive. Some people have to be leaner than this to actually look good. Some people store too much fat on their face. Find the level and sustain it. Having big muscles to overcome higher body fat is the reason why bodybuilders often look like bloat loards. The face doesn't simply get leaner after looking lean. Looking lean and being lean are two different states


Look at eddy hall. He's a fat ass but has abs because he has big muscles. Thats it. Yet his face is round as ballon its not bloat. Its FAT

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Eddie hall is actually not low bf% in the 2nd image, his muscles are so fucking big to where his body can look lean being a higher bf%, that's why his face didn't change a molecule, like in the first pic he is prob 35-40% and in the second one probably 25%
 
Let me take advice from someone who targets drunk girls and calls it a 'slay'. Cagefuel at this non intelligent genetically unfortunate individual.
 
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It’s not possible to be 8% bf natty. 10% is the maximum
 
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Lean is law my bigger niggas. Lean is law
 
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