BONE Ascension

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

I'm too lazy for that and you need a tailored solution for yourself

can you just give me some tips like a more of this less of that

 

[repulse]

you're right, but that's why I'm starting at 16. Here's a thing right with HGH. You don't really have that accelerated growth plate fusion risk that you have with testosterone because of you know mismanaged estradiol, which you know obviously could be planned for, but I don't really wanna risk it but I don't know. I was thinking once I hit 17 I'll still have clavicle bones open and mandibular condycites that I could still change it so I figured that was why you know I might wanna wait, but if I decide not to what's your advice on aromasin dosing

Just take 12.5mg Aromasin ED and there is 0 chance ur e2 is above 20 unless u are obese.

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

Link those studies I wanna read them

Studies of anabolic steroids: v. effect of prolonged oxandrolone administration on growth in children and adolescents with uncomplicated short stature - PubMed

A total of 130 patients with uncomplicated short stature (4 to 17 years of age) were treated with oxandrolone, 0.25 mg/kg/day, for up to four years. Oxandrolone therapy resulted in a two-fold increase in mean growth velocity in the first six months of therapy and was an effective growth...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Noesis]

can you just give me some tips like a more of this less of that

Testosterone at that dose needs to be cycled and go do a blood test

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

Just take 12.5mg Aromasin ED and there is 0 chance ur e2 is above 20 unless u are obese.

for phase 3 with the test

 

[Noesis]

Studies of anabolic steroids: v. effect of prolonged oxandrolone administration on growth in children and adolescents with uncomplicated short stature - PubMed

A total of 130 patients with uncomplicated short stature (4 to 17 years of age) were treated with oxandrolone, 0.25 mg/kg/day, for up to four years. Oxandrolone therapy resulted in a two-fold increase in mean growth velocity in the first six months of therapy and was an effective growth...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is a half assed research btw

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

This is a half assed research btw

gosh, you're right. I should've compiled my research for a bunch of strangers on the Internet in a much better way

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

Testosterone at that dose needs to be cycled and go do a blood test

dude, you clearly didn't read the whole thing and I'd be doing blood tests throughout the whole think anyway

 

[Noesis]

gosh, you're right. I should've compiled my research for a bunch of strangers on the Internet in a much better way

You fucking idiot I'm talking about the study

 

[Luca_.]

Testosterone Therapy Improves the First Year Height Velocity in Adolescent Boys with Constitutional Delay of Growth and Puberty - PMC

Constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP) can cause significant psychological distress in adolescent boys. Although testosterone usage in this group has not been shown to affect the final adult height, the effect on the first year height ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(80)80348-9/abstract

You just proved me right

Patients with growth hormone deficiency. Thats the same as me saying vitamin k2 makes you taller. No, it makes kids with deficits in said vitamin.

Adolescent boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty

 

[repulse]

for phase 3 with the test

Your HCG dose is aggressive and will aromatize so make sure ur estrogen management is on point, start at 15.5-16 not 17.

 

[repulse]

You just proved me right

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Patients with growth hormone deficiency. Thats the same as me saying vitamin k2 makes you taller. No, it makes kids with deficits in said vitamin.
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Adolescent boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty

Idiopathic Short Stature proves HGH can help with growth in non deficient kids.

 

[Noesis]

Idiopathic Short Stature proves HGH can help with growth in non deficient kids.

Real

 

[Luca_.]

Idiopathic Short Stature proves HGH can help with growth in non deficient kids.

Where does it say that? Send study

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

You just proved me right

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Patients with growth hormone deficiency. Thats the same as me saying vitamin k2 makes you taller. No, it makes kids with deficits in said vitamin.
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Adolescent boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty

yeah, well they're not gonna give HGH to a bunch of fucking perfectly normal children???? oh yes, these people have nothing wrong with them Why don't we do them with medically risky substances ALL of the reaserch comes from ppl with issues

AND ADDITIONALY constitutional delay of growth and puberty is not caused by hormonal deficiencies. It's basically like these kids aren't growing for no fucking reason it's similar to idiopathic short stature they're just short or their skeletons have just not developed

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

You just proved me right

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Patients with growth hormone deficiency. Thats the same as me saying vitamin k2 makes you taller. No, it makes kids with deficits in said vitamin.
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Adolescent boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty

you clearly don't even know what constitutional delay of growth and puberty is

 

[Noesis]

Where does it say that? Send study

They're not growth hormone deficient that's why

 

[repulse]

Where does it say that? Send study

I don't need a study kids with ISS usually have nothing wrong with them but their short, could be due to genetics so their pumped full of HGH and grow way past their genetic potential.

 

[Luca_.]

yeah, well they're not gonna give HGH to a bunch of fucking perfectly normal children???? oh yes, these people have nothing wrong with them Why don't we do them with medically risky substances ALL of the reaserch comes from ppl with issues

AND ADDITIONALY constitutional delay of growth and puberty is not caused by hormonal deficiencies. It's basically like these kids aren't growing for no fucking reason it's similar to idiopathic short stature they're just short or their skeletons have just not developed

Hgh is not that dangerous and thats literally the point of a study. It seems to me that you don’t want to accept the truth

 

[Luca_.]

you clearly don't even know what constitutional delay of growth and puberty is

Googled it before I read the full study.

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

Where does it say that? Send study

Effect of growth hormone therapy on height in children with idiopathic short stature: a meta-analysis - PubMed

Treatment with GH results in short-term increases in growth for children with idiopathic short stature, and long-term GH can increase adult height. These results are fundamental to decisions about GH use and raise questions about the goals of treatment. Use of GH for idiopathic short stature in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

they gained between 2 to 4 inches from hgh

 

[Luca_.]

Effect of growth hormone therapy on height in children with idiopathic short stature: a meta-analysis - PubMed

Treatment with GH results in short-term increases in growth for children with idiopathic short stature, and long-term GH can increase adult height. These results are fundamental to decisions about GH use and raise questions about the goals of treatment. Use of GH for idiopathic short stature in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

they gained between 2 to 4 inches from hgh

Exactly what I said lol. It might make you 1-2cm taller also LL is like 50k for 3 inches or more. You would need to spend 105k on 3 inches with gh. And those inches aren’t even guaranteed

 

[Luca_.]

@eon

 

[Luca_.]

Effect of growth hormone therapy on height in children with idiopathic short stature: a meta-analysis - PubMed

Treatment with GH results in short-term increases in growth for children with idiopathic short stature, and long-term GH can increase adult height. These results are fundamental to decisions about GH use and raise questions about the goals of treatment. Use of GH for idiopathic short stature in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

they gained between 2 to 4 inches from hgh

Cm not inches

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

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Exactly what I said lol. It might make you 1-2cm taller also LL is like 50k for 3 inches or more. You would need to spend 105k on 3 inches with gh. And those inches aren’t even guaranteed

but you didn't even cite the right image it says pretty clearly the average height growth was between 4 to 6 cm which is 2 to 3 inches and that's at American price. You can get it for a lot cheaper if you're not buying it from fucking big Pharma.

 

[Luca_.]

but you didn't even cite the right image it says pretty clearly the average height growth was between 4 to 6 cm which is 2 to 3 inches and that's at American price. You can get it for a lot cheaper if you're not buying it from fucking big Pharma.

Still not worth it also it depends on the person lol, some are more sensitive to gh then others

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

Still not worth it also it depends on the person lol, some are more sensitive to gh then others

that's an opinionated statement, but beyond that it's evidence that PEDs positively affect bone development and growth

 

[Luca_.]

that's an opinionated statement, but beyond that it's evidence that PEDs positively affect bone development and growth

Height growth and actual bone development are 2 different things. You won’t get facial bonemass from them

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

Height growth and actual bone development are 2 different things. You won’t get facial bonemass from them

what's your evidence?

 

[Luca_.]

what's your evidence?

What’s YOUR evidence. When you make a claim you need to back that up, you made the claim first

 

[eon]

@eon

Whyd u tag me

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

I did I showed that HGH does lengthen long bones. Backed by science. which means height plus bi deltoid width which automatically makes all of this not cope. and the original statement was that all of this is cope. However, we have proven that it does increase height and growth in other long bones. I would try to use studies To prove that it affects mandibular cartilage but there isn't enough research on it to accurately say that so that's just speculation based on anecdotal evidence

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

What’s YOUR evidence. When you make a claim you need to back that up, you made the claim first

why do people say roid maxxing doesnt work? like we have proof that you can grow multiple inches from HGH from studies on idiopathic short stature and high levels of the androgen that makes you masculine would if you believe it make you more masculine it's fucking retarded to say that steroids do not affect your facial growth is like saying androgens just don't do anything for development totally fucking brain dead kid that grows up with chronically low testosterone will look more androgynous than the kid that grows up with high testosterone. It's common fucking sense.

 

[himooke]

Phase 1:cope
Phase2:cope
Phase3:cope
Unfortunately what you have stated doesn’t work. There aren’t really any ways to gain ,,bonemass”. It’s just TikTok marketing

most retarded shit ive seen

 

[needlemax]

Anabolic Plan Bone Ascension
***please give advice***

Phase 1 - Initiation (15 → 16)

Agents: MK677 20mg daily, Tamoxifen 20mg daily
Notes: mk677 is easy and even if it doesn't do much for bone growth it definitely makes you more muscular and that's always chill plus it gives time to save money for HGH


Phase 2 - Growth / Anabolism (16 → 17)

Agents: HGH 4iu daily, Aromasin 6.25mg 2 days a week (may change)
Notes: Promote bone formation and structural changes; monitor response, looking for advice on aromasin dosing



Phase 3 - Androgenic Phase (17 → 18)


Agents: Testosterone 400, Aromasin 12.5mg 3 days a week (may change), HCG 1,000 iu 3 days a week, Tamoxifen 20mg

Notes: this is where most of the heavy lifting for mandible growth is supposed to come in but I'm really looking for advice on this part might be a little fucked up

*** this is not a year long cycle I will adjust and plan out cycle length based on feedback***


Phase 4 - PCT / Recovery / Follow-Up (18 → )

Agents: Enclomiphene, Tamoxifen
Notes: Support theoretical endocrine recovery and long-term bone health


tldr: looking for advice on Ped use for bone growth and increasing male dimorphism

just take test and gh idiotwhy the fuck are you waiting so long, hgh wont work when your 16 take it right now

 

[himooke]

Anabolic Plan Bone Ascension
***please give advice***

Phase 1 - Initiation (15 → 16)

Agents: MK677 20mg daily, Tamoxifen 20mg daily
Notes: mk677 is easy and even if it doesn't do much for bone growth it definitely makes you more muscular and that's always chill plus it gives time to save money for HGH


Phase 2 - Growth / Anabolism (16 → 17)

Agents: HGH 4iu daily, Aromasin 6.25mg 2 days a week (may change)
Notes: Promote bone formation and structural changes; monitor response, looking for advice on aromasin dosing



Phase 3 - Androgenic Phase (17 → 18)


Agents: Testosterone 400, Aromasin 12.5mg 3 days a week (may change), HCG 1,000 iu 3 days a week, Tamoxifen 20mg

Notes: this is where most of the heavy lifting for mandible growth is supposed to come in but I'm really looking for advice on this part might be a little fucked up

*** this is not a year long cycle I will adjust and plan out cycle length based on feedback***


Phase 4 - PCT / Recovery / Follow-Up (18 → )

Agents: Enclomiphene, Tamoxifen
Notes: Support theoretical endocrine recovery and long-term bone health


tldr: looking for advice on Ped use for bone growth and increasing male dimorphism

for phase 2, 4 iu is not nearly enough to see change AND it should be everyday

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

just take test and gh idiotwhy the fuck are you waiting so long, hgh wont work when your 16 take it right now

ill have money soon but i dont have it yet, besides it works when you're 16 sure the younger you are a better it works, but my growth place will still be mostly open so. Believe me if I had the money right at this moment, it would've already been ordered.

 

[needlemax]

you're right, but that's why I'm starting at 16. Here's a thing right with HGH. You don't really have that accelerated growth plate fusion risk that you have with testosterone because of you know mismanaged estradiol, which you know obviously could be planned for, but I don't really wanna risk it but I don't know. I was thinking once I hit 17 I'll still have clavicle bones open and mandibular condycites that I could still change it so I figured that was why you know I might wanna wait, but if I decide not to what's your advice on aromasin dosing

your absolutely clueless man your not gonna get noticable mandibular growth that late you have to take shit right now your likely at the final year to see any noticable changes, if its not too late

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

for phase 2, 4 iu is not nearly enough to see change AND it should be everyday

what dose is better?

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

your absolutely clueless man your not gonna get noticable mandibular growth that late you have to take shit right now your likely at the final year to see any noticable changes, if its not too late

why is that

 

[needlemax]

ill have money soon but i dont have it yet, besides it works when you're 16 sure the younger you are a better it works, but my growth place will still be mostly open so. Believe me if I had the money right at this moment, it would've already been ordered.

bro it doesnt work when your 16, take it from me im on 8ius and im 16 and i grew like what fucking just under 1cm in 2 months, when i was 15 i grew 3.5-4 inches, your really overestimating how much you have left, 15 is the last major year to change jackshit, youre barely gonna see jackshit in changes

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

your absolutely clueless man your not gonna get noticable mandibular growth that late you have to take shit right now your likely at the final year to see any noticable changes, if its not too late

i'm not saying you're wrong but all the evidence I've seen shows that my growth plate should still be open at 16 if they start sealing up 3 to 4 years after you puberty

 

[needlemax]

i'm not saying you're wrong but all the evidence I've seen shows that my growth plate should still be open at 16 if they start sealing up 3 to 4 years after you puberty

bro is just taking chatgpt bullshit its not 3 to 4 years for everyone at 16 most boys are done growing, its over. whats ur current height and whats ur parents height

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

bro it doesnt work when your 16, take it from me im on 8ius and im 16 and i grew like what fucking just under 1cm in 2 months, when i was 15 i grew 3.5-4 inches, your really overestimating how much you have left, 15 is the last major year to change jackshit, youre barely gonna see jackshit in changes

well, fuck first it depends on when you hit puberty, right that's important but the second part about growth plate fusion timing it's not the same for everyone. Your growth plates could close that fucking 20 technically not that that would ever happen but it's possible.

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

bro is just taking chatgpt bullshit its not 3 to 4 years for everyone at 16 most boys are done growing, its over. whats ur current height and whats ur parents height

im 180cm at 15 years and like uh 11 months and my dad is 181-2 my mom is 5,5 however many cm that is

 

[needlemax]

im 180cm at 15 years and like uh 11 months and my dad is 181-2 my mom is 5,5 however many cm that is

funny thing is i was the exact same case and height as you 180 cm 15 years old and 11 months now im 16 years old and 181.5cm. your height wont change, your likely done growing, maybe 2cm if your lucky.

 

[needlemax]

i'm not saying you're wrong but all the evidence I've seen shows that my growth plate should still be open at 16 if they start sealing up 3 to 4 years after you puberty

either take the gh now and pray or just stop. Also take test aswell. Btw im also taking aromasin with my gh and test

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

funny thing is i was the exact same case and height as you 180 cm 15 years old and 11 months now im 16 years old and 181.5cm. your height wont change, your likely done growing, maybe 2cm if your lucky.

I would be fine with being 6 foot tall but anyway, I can't even access that shit anyway so doesn't matter can't get it till I'm 16 so besides you might be right, but also your personal reaction is unique might not be indicative of mine, but we'll see

 

[needlemax]

I would be fine with being 6 foot tall but anyway, I can't even access that shit anyway so doesn't matter can't get it till I'm 16 so besides you might be right, but also your personal reaction is unique might not be indicative of mine, but we'll see

how cant you access it?

 

[griffonlookxmaxjfl]

either take the gh now and pray or just stop. Also take test aswell. Btw im also taking aromasin with my gh and test

how cant you access it?

no money, ill have the funds soon but it will roughly line up with my birthday as I still have to buy some extra shit for it.